[00:00] mhall119, yes, I know. What I don't know, is where the actual presentation comes from. [00:01] I was talking about the... "local menu thing" from omgubuntu. [00:16] jo-erlend: oh, that is the same data used by the global menu and HUD, just embedded in the window decoration instead [00:17] mhall119, right.. But _how_ is it embedded in the window decoration? === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [02:10] jo-erlend: using a patch to compiz and metacity I think [02:34] jono: ping [02:35] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1443/detail/ [02:35] yikes, our facebook likes, +1's etc are dreadfully low! [02:38] hey jcastro [02:38] yo yo [02:39] that music in the background is sooo not you or jono [02:42] jcastro: would be nice it someone would post a link to it using the Ubuntu pages on FB and G+ [02:43] mhall119: jono has access to those, in the meantime I've done it on my personal account [02:43] jcastro: be sure to like and +1 http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/globaljam/ too [02:43] oh, I +'ed the even page [02:43] I thought this page was during the event itself? [02:43] it is [03:10] mhall119: [03:10] https://github.com/auzigog/hyde-bootstrap [03:10] I found a python static blog generator thing === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [06:20] alright folks [06:21] mem time! [06:21] What music makes you think of Ubuntu? What lyrics, music, vibe, and rhythm make you think of Ubuntu and bringing Free Software to the masses? Mine is at http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/14/music-of-ubuntu/ - share yours on Facebook, Google+, Twitter and your blogs, and use the #musicofubuntu hashtag! [07:46] good morning [08:14] Hi [08:14] Any body here [08:14] Need to know some thing about Global Jam [08:23] Any body here? [08:38] ashickur-noor: what do you need to know ? [08:39] What type of event I can arrange in Global Jam [08:39] except describe one [08:40] There is some event name [08:40] But each of them need more then 2-3 perticipants [08:40] I don't have [08:48] * ashickur-noor going for lunch [08:50] ashickur-noor: what ever you can do is up to you, if you want to report bugs on your own great, or update wiki pages it's entirely up to you [08:50] each team will be very different [09:00] * ashickur-noor back [09:02] I have a workshop at end of this month [09:02] nods [09:03] I am thinking to prospone that to this dates [09:03] ashickur-noor: yup thats fine [09:03] Hum [09:03] some teams do that [09:04] What about the testing? [09:04] testing and bug reporting seems similar to me [09:04] yup you cna still do it [09:04] we just pick a weekend to run UGJ, but sometimes teams cant make that weekend but still want to take part [09:09] We don't have a LoCo [09:09] So how I can submit new Event? [09:12] ashickur-noor: what country are you in? [09:12] Bangladesh [09:12] Our LoCo is not approved [09:13] You should still be able to create events at http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-bd [09:13] hum [09:13] As long as you're a member of https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bd it should work as far as I'm aware [09:14] But I am not the admin or head of this LoCo [09:14] Hum I am a member of this LoCo [09:14] Other people in my loco create events without being admin, I believe all you need to do is be a part of the launchpad team and then create a new event. [09:14] So I can post a event? [09:15] You do have to log in to the loco.u.c site though with the button in the top left hand corner of the page. [09:15] I can't imagine why not, as long as you post it all around your loco's mailing list and other locations I'm sure people would be happy to see activity. [09:17] Ok [09:18] How many event I can organise in this Jam [09:18] As many as you're willing to run. [09:18] grrr, x crash [09:18] Hum [09:18] OK thanks [09:19] ashickur-noor: It can take a long time just to hold one event [09:19] ashickur-noor: Generally for a bug focused jam at least 4+ hours is a good starting point [09:19] 3 days we have [09:19] Oregon is planning to go from 10am to possibly 7-8pm or later at night [09:19] :D [09:19] I am planning to held a workshop for the beginners [09:20] Oh excellent [09:20] bkerensa: our loco mainly does online ones as we're a bit too spread out to get enough people together to make it a good go [09:20] head_victim: What loco? [09:20] :D [09:20] On the weekday New Distro testing [09:20] Australia :) [09:20] head_victim: Oh yeah most definitely [09:21] We are pretty spread out in Oregon but not nearly as bad as Australia [09:21] :D [09:21] Our local area is trying to hold meetings quarterly in real world places and we're trying to encourage other cities to do the same. [09:21] head_victim: We do all of our meetings on IRC however we do Ubuntu Hours in various regions of our state and have global jams and release parties in the largest populace which is Portland [09:22] :D [09:22] bkerensa: yep, we held an installfest in January in Brisbane [09:22] Installation Fest [09:22] We're organising release parties for April and we're hoping to do a mid year open day or workshop type event [09:22] I gr8 idea [09:23] head_victim: Hmm... I would love to go to Australia someday but the cost of travel to their is pretty prohibitive [09:23] I am alone in BD to work with me [09:23] bkerensa: yeah it's not cheap [09:23] Specifically I would like to go to Bewowra [09:23] :D [09:23] and of course a trip to Bondi [09:23] :D [09:24] ashickur-noor: all I generally do when I'm trying to organise an event is to set it all up and then post it to the loco stating "I'm going to organise this, if anyone else wants to help me organise lets start discussing it" [09:24] And then I either get help doing it or I don't, either way the event still happens [09:24] bkerensa: what's at bewowra? [09:24] I always do it [09:24] head_victim: They have a big nice valley with Koalas in the wild and apparently some roos [09:24] :D [09:25] But no good [09:25] I also have some friends their [09:25] :D [09:25] bkerensa: hahahaha that just described most of the country ;) [09:25] Other then the friends thing [09:25] yeah [09:25] head_victim: Do you do Candy Trades ever? [09:25] :D [09:25] In my high school we had koalas. [09:25] That would run down between the buildings. [09:26] I used to do candy swaps all the time to Australia [09:26] Ah never heard of the concept [09:26] for some reason my friends liked Big Red Gum and Vanilla Coke [09:26] :D [09:26] and they would send me Freddy Froggos [09:26] We have both here now anyway ;) [09:26] and some other Ozzy candy [09:27] ashickur-noor: I concentrated on social events for the most part int he early stages of trying to get activity together. Once you've interacted socially a few times with a similar group of people they tend to start working together more effectively. Psych 101 ;) [09:27] bkerensa: tim tams? [09:28] I am doing it [09:28] head_victim: Never had those... [09:29] Have a big plan for Ubuntu community [09:29] But nothing I can do without help of my Local fellow [09:29] ashickur-noor: if you do what you can as long as you're engaging those around you it will start working [09:30] bkerensa: chocolate biscuits [09:31] Yes [09:31] I have done some of those [09:31] I told you before in the Asia Regiom Meeting [09:33] ashickur-noor: so do you get people turning up to events? I assume you do if you keep doing them. In which case I would be holding a quick session during of the events to try and get some assistance running the next one. [09:34] Hum [09:34] I found trying to be specific about what assistance you needed would help as well. [09:35] I would often plan out what I hoped would happen and then let the loco know what support I needed to make it as good as it could be. For example if I'm organising a booth I'll write a list of hardware and volunteer requirements for people to fill in whatever they can offer. [09:35] If I'm running a social event I'll see feedback on good locations. [09:35] If I'm organising a workshop type event I'll create a list of things I need to make the day work. I even got sponsorship from a local consultancy firm for the food on one of the days. [09:36] I first put my planning in the list [09:37] To discuss [09:37] But each time I get some negative response and OT [09:38] Ah ok, well maybe try to target the people attending the events. Do you get many people come along to more than one? [09:40] head_victim: Today there is a meeting of Asia Region [09:40] ? [09:41] Yes, there is a membership board meeting in 20 minutes [09:42] This meeting is only for membership board? [09:42] I don't know that [09:43] Yes, it's to evaluation applications for ubuntu membership [09:43] Yap I know that [09:43] I try two times in a row [09:45] ashickur-noor: the loco.u.c page is perfect for showing how you've contributed for future applications [09:45] make sure you get some photos put on the team flickr or pixie site and have them link to the loco.u.c page as well [09:45] I'm going to be unhappy today, I know it [09:45] damn X [09:45] dholbach: 12.04 issues? [09:46] I use to do it in my wiki [09:46] head_victim, yes [09:46] My events was not held by LoCo [09:46] Just personal [09:46] dholbach: ah I'm only playing in virtualbox still. Appears to be pretty good for me so far except a bit of a hiccup with msn in empathy [09:46] generally I'm quite happy with 12.04 [09:47] ashickur-noor: but aren't you a part of the loco? I've organised heaps of events but always as "the loco". [09:47] in the last 3-4 days I had some X crashes [09:47] I'm sure they'll get sorted out [09:47] I was not sure that I can do that behalf of the LoCo [09:47] I try to do that in 11.10 release party [09:48] dholbach: they always do [09:48] But the LoCo head refuse to do that [09:48] ashickur-noor: no reason you can't. As long as you're following the generic code of conduct and attempting to involve local Ubuntu users the loco would seem a natural fit for events. [09:49] heh [09:49] I was not sure about that [09:49] time to push some code I wrote in 2002 to Github [09:49] :D [09:49] If your loco leader is refusing for you to run events without providing reasonable reasons I'd forward emails on to the loco-council to discuss your options. [09:49] so I do it by my own [09:49] ashickur-noor: what loco is this ? [09:49] OK thnaks [09:49] ubuntu-bd [09:49] what is bd? [09:50] though the LoCo admin was present in the party [09:50] But it was not from the LoCo [09:51] ashickur-noor: what team is bd ? [09:51] czajkowski: bangladesh [09:51] thanks [09:52] head_victim: You told me about official guide [09:52] What menas by Official? [09:53] ashickur-noor: not sure what you're talking about an official guide? [09:53] ashickur-noor: what is the team contacts/team leaders reason for not organising events? [09:54] czajkowski: I will forward you the list mail latter [09:54] need to search that [09:54] just wondered if it was a reasonable reason, like dates not suiting the rest of the team, or are they stopping any events happening [09:55] if you mail the loco council [09:55] and give me a ping I'll moderate the amil [09:55] *mail [09:55] head_victim: In my fisrt membership board meeting I told abotu a guide [09:55] You ask me is it official [09:56] http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-bd/events/history [09:56] have done some events [09:58] Yap I knpw [09:58] *know [09:58] I miss the first two [09:58] ashickur-noor: if you mean user documentation the official guide is help.ubuntu.com or the community documentation at help.ubuntu.com/community that's the only sort of guide I can think of [09:58] Oh [09:58] I used to make local guides [09:59] That suites our users [09:59] More over our LoCo team Contact person is out of touch [09:59] I E mailed him some time [09:59] but no reply [10:26] Hello. [10:54] dpm, hast Du gleich mal Zeit, ein wenig zu telefonieren? [11:03] dpm, hast Du gleich mal Zeit, ein wenig zu telefonieren? :) [11:03] dholbach, sorry, mein Internet scheinte nicht so stabil zu sein. Ja, lass uns das machen :) [11:03] prima [11:36] * dpm hugs dholbach [11:38] wow, is the freenode unstable or something? I see mass movements. [11:38] !netsplit [11:38] netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit [11:39] heh :/ [11:40] * dholbach hugs dpm back [12:10] hello nigelb [12:25] dpm: got a moment ? [12:26] hi czajkowski, sure, what's up? [12:26] dpm: got a moment for a quick pm please? [12:27] sure [12:27] thanks [13:23] Hey duanedesign [13:48] status.ubuntu.com is really nice. Is that open to launchpad projects, or is it only for Ubuntu development? [13:49] i think the code is open [13:49] so you could run your own page to monitor your own projects [13:52] ah, I see. [13:52] ehrm.. I could use some help. I managed to zoom my desktop somehow... I don't remember how to zoom out [13:53] oh, I found it. Super+scroll :) [13:55] Oh hey jo-erlend. [13:55] Are you the same jo-erlend as on Ask Ubuntu? [13:55] yes [13:56] Nice. :) [13:56] thank you. :) [13:56] Actually, I wanted to say, nice to meet you! :P [13:56] likewise. :) [13:56] I'm Octavian Damiean on Ask Ubuntu by the way. ;) [13:57] oh golly, we have super scroll enabled by default!? [13:57] ah, yes, that's a familiar name. [13:57] popey, seems so. And I somehow made my xchat into a ghost. It's very transparent. [13:57] * popey files a bug about that [13:58] the keyboard shortcuts thing pops up when you zoom [13:58] confirm it first please. My home was not fresh with Precise. [13:58] i have two precise machines [14:00] This Magic Trackpad problem is a bit frustrating. Are there any Magic Trackpad users around? [14:03] jo-erlend: try ctrl+scroll or alt+scroll to fix the transparency [14:04] mhall119, ah, thank you. :) [14:06] that's very nice, but I don't think that should be activated by default... if it is. I tried all the combinations I could think of. Except alt, that is. :) [14:13] Daviey: around? [15:31] jcastro: always [15:43] an hour and 15 minutes later.. heh [15:44] mainerror, what's wrong with your magic trackpad? [15:56] hey all [15:57] hey jono [15:57] hey [15:57] hey mhall119, cprofitt [15:57] hey hey hey [15:57] mhall119, dholbach, dpm, jcastro, balloons all set for the meeting? [15:57] yup [15:57] yes [15:57] yessir [15:57] * mhall119 gets his list [15:57] yep! [15:57] time flies! [15:58] yeah but I can not go first? [15:58] :) [15:58] * balloons gets confused about which meeting is which [15:58] jcastro, sure [15:58] balloons, tuesday, IRC, wednesdays, hangout [15:59] Can this meeting be added to the fridge calendar please? [15:59] hey is today G+ or irc? [15:59] * jcastro snickers [15:59] jcastro, IRC [15:59] cjohnston, I thought it was [15:59] cjohnston, if not, can you add it? [16:00] I don't see it [16:00] sure [16:00] thanks cjohnston [16:00] #meetingstart [16:00] #startmeeting [16:00] Meeting started Tue Feb 14 16:00:21 2012 UTC. The chair is jono. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [16:00] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [16:00] :-) [16:00] alrighty! [16:00] roll up! roll up! welcome to the Canonical Community Team meeting! [16:00] here we do our usual round of roundtables [16:00] AWWWW YEAH [16:01] everyone is welcome to ask questions at the end of each roundtable [16:01] so lets kick off with....David Planella, dpm! [16:01] hey! [16:01] didn't jcastro want to go first? [16:01] here we go [16:01] no! [16:01] :-) [16:01] oh ok [16:01] sorry :) [16:01] * dholbach misread [16:02] :-) [16:02] * dpm thinks rather trolling [16:02] - Discussion on 12.04 translation milestones with skaet: docs string freeze moved back a bit to give more time to translators [16:02] - Several ARB discussions. Those involved will have probably seen jono's e-mail. The outcome is that the community team will postpone any contributions to the ARB to give them time until the end of March to clear up the current submissions in the queue. [16:02] - Answered some open questions on Simplified Chinese localization from the Canonical PES team, worked with kyleN to provide a schedule, plan and cost estimate for the project. [16:03] - Blog post: top 10 Ubuntu January app downloads - got picked up by PCWorld and they published an article about it [16:03] - Started working on getting my burn-down in shape [16:04] I think these were the highlights this week [16:04] do you have a link to the PCWorld article? [16:04] sure, let me dig it out [16:05] http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/249663/20_popular_ubuntu_linux_apps_to_try_now.html [16:05] any questions for dpm? [16:05] and the original here: http://developer.ubuntu.com/2012/02/top-10-ubuntu-app-downloads-for-january-2012/ [16:06] oh cool, I know the author [16:06] didn't know she's writing for PCWorld now [16:06] mhall119, excellent :) [16:06] alrighty, next up..... [16:06] Michael Hall, mhall119 [16:07] woooo! [16:07] *the crowd roars!* [16:07] woo hoo [16:07] \o/ [16:07] forgive me if I'm slow, dist-upgrade broke about half my usual keyboard shortcuts this morning [16:08] mhall119, np :-) [16:08] - Added Markdown formatting support to loco.ubuntu.com for Global Events, Team Events and Meetings [16:09] - Added social media integration links to Global Events (and our numbers on http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1443/detail/ are looking really good now, thanks jono) [16:09] - Added the Global Jam Dashboard page to LTP: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/globaljam/ [16:10] - Finished getting daker setup as the new owner of the LTP project (thanks for stepping up to take it on daker), and walked him through his first deployment [16:10] * dholbach hugs daker [16:11] - For the past few weeks I've been putting together a list of the most popular (by number of rating) apps from the software center, and evaluating their level of integration with Unity [16:11] this week I finished the evaluation, and this is how we look: http://ubuntuone.com/2a64a2VUmjqmSXPxHiSFq3 [16:12] now I'll be working to converting all those "Wanted" and "Needed" numbers into "Done" [16:12] * mhall119 is finished [16:12] thanks mhall119! [16:12] any questions for mhall119 regarding his work? [16:13] yeah [16:13] mhall119, how did you get the rating data? [16:13] I am confused about the UGC page [16:13] we have the dashboard and the event page [16:13] dpm: one of the SC guys generated the list for me [16:13] it's based on number of ratings [16:13] and at first glance they seem really similar [16:13] no questions, just wanted to say: good work on the LTP [16:14] mhall119, can you fix the UGJ page so the general page is at events/globaljam and the dash is at events/globaljam/dashboard? [16:14] this is what we originally discussed [16:14] jono: yes, we'll be prepping for another release this week, including the fix for the participating teams count [16:15] mhall119, ah, cool - there's also a public api for the ratings, in case you need to use it in the future: https://reviews.ubuntu.com/reviews/api/1.0/review-stats/ [16:15] dpm: cool, thanks [16:15] mhall119, will that include these URL changes? [16:16] jono: yeah, I can get that change done today [16:16] thanks mhall119! [16:16] alrighty! [16:16] next up...Daniel Holbach, dholbach! [16:16] alrighty! [16:16] - Dev Stats: moved to new data source. Quite a bit of refactoring. Lots of manual analysis of data. [16:16] :-) [16:16] - Dev News: call with team, pinged interviewees again, interviewed Kubuntu team and posted update. [16:17] - Summer of Code: announced on ubuntu-devel@, set up wiki page, added my own proposal, sent reminder to ubuntu-devel@ [16:17] - UGJ: mailed African LoCo contacts/admins, simplified UGJ wiki page, populated TODO section and asked devs for input. [16:17] - UDW: thanked UDW presenters, some follow-up discussions. [16:17] - Harvest: discussed with Abel how we can improve the search for bugs which are fixed upstream. Looks like the change is too big to get done in LP any time soon. :-( [16:17] - CC: CC Hangout. [16:18] - Sponsoring: Sponsorship Friday. [16:18] - Misc: helped HR with a German translations, blogged a general status update. [16:18] (that's it) [16:19] dholbach, any interesting bits from post-UDW discussions? [16:19] dholbach: yeah I am interested if we think the new format worked? [16:20] dpm, yes, some folks mentioned who was active in their sessions and I'm going to contact them and see how interested they are in joining the team - other than that just positive comments [16:20] dholbach: any discussion about merging developer week and app developer week? [16:20] jcastro, yes - some said that the sessions were a bit short (they picked a 30m slot), but a lot of them said "short, but punchy" [16:20] mhall119, not within the group of speakers, but dpm and I talked about it [16:21] yeah, I was wondering if I should keep the 30 m format for UADW or go back to the old 1h format [16:21] we could keep the 3 days but go to 1 hour slots? [16:21] dpm, I offered speakers both possibilities [16:22] I actually like the 30 minute time [16:22] → https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable [16:22] perhaps extend for questions... but only another 5-10 minutes [16:22] I liked having the option of 30 or 60 minutes [16:22] 60 minutes seems to be very long [16:22] wished I had grabbed a full 60 for my first session [16:22] +1 [16:22] but 30 was more than enough for my second [16:22] yea.. seems like 30 mins feels rushed, 60 mins is TOO long [16:22] can always merge two 30 minute slots if necessary [16:23] cprofitt: exactly [16:23] 30 mins always leaves people asking questions after session [16:23] 40-45 minutes would likely be perfect [16:23] but it's important to leave them wanting IMHO [16:23] maybe 30 minute slots with a 10 minute intermission [16:23] balloons: depended on the session and the level of interest [16:23] as long as the speaker is willing to give more later [16:23] it is impossible to satisfy everyone [16:23] cprofitt: that makes scheduling more complex [16:24] I agree mhall119 [16:24] it easy to remember if the session you want to attend is at :00 or :30 [16:24] harder for :10, :20, :40, :50 [16:24] maybe a room other than the 'chat' that speakers can go to if folks have more questions [16:24] cprofitt: usually there are existing channels for that [16:24] the project's own channel [16:24] yeah [16:24] I know the person that spoke right before me was answering questions in 'chat' for a good 10 minutes during my session [16:24] that makes sense [16:24] yes, exactly.. I see people getting more invovled after the session as a good thing [16:25] ie: a bugs session, ask everyone to join #ubuntu-bugs to ask even more questions, etc. :) [16:25] cprofitt: yeah, we should make an effort to move Q&A out of chat when the session ends, so it doesn't become a distraction [16:25] why not just make an overflow channel for discussion [16:26] #ubuntu-classroom-chat-overflow [16:26] well ideally a session starts, and then the people end up at that project's IRC room [16:26] 90% of the time it will be better to direct them to a project-specific channel [16:26] so if it's about quickly, go to #ubuntu-app-dev at the end, or whatever [16:26] right [16:26] jcastro, for some projects that room is #ubuntu-devel [16:26] which people might not like [16:27]