[00:00] <jo-erlend> mhall119, yes, I know. What I don't know, is where the actual presentation comes from.
[00:01] <jo-erlend> I was talking about  the... "local menu thing" from omgubuntu.
[00:16] <mhall119> jo-erlend: oh, that is the same data used by the global menu and HUD, just embedded in the window decoration instead
[00:17] <jo-erlend> mhall119, right.. But _how_ is it embedded in the window decoration?
[02:10] <mhall119> jo-erlend: using a patch to compiz and metacity I think
[02:34] <jcastro> jono: ping
[02:35] <jcastro> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1443/detail/
[02:35] <jcastro> yikes, our facebook likes, +1's etc are dreadfully low!
[02:38] <cprofitt> hey jcastro
[02:38] <jcastro> yo yo
[02:39] <cprofitt> that music in the background is sooo not you or jono
[02:42] <mhall119> jcastro: would be nice it someone would post a link to it using the Ubuntu pages on FB and G+
[02:43] <jcastro> mhall119: jono has access to those, in the meantime I've done it on my personal account
[02:43] <mhall119> jcastro: be sure to like and +1 http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/globaljam/ too
[02:43] <jcastro> oh, I +'ed the even page
[02:43] <jcastro> I thought this page was during the event itself?
[02:43] <mhall119> it is
[03:10] <jcastro> mhall119:
[03:10] <jcastro> https://github.com/auzigog/hyde-bootstrap
[03:10] <jcastro> I found a python static blog generator thing
[06:20] <jono> alright folks
[06:21] <jono> mem time!
[06:21] <jono> What music makes you think of Ubuntu? What lyrics, music, vibe, and rhythm make you think of Ubuntu and bringing Free Software to the masses? Mine is at http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/14/music-of-ubuntu/ - share yours on Facebook, Google+, Twitter and your blogs, and use the #musicofubuntu hashtag!
[07:46] <dholbach> good morning
[08:14] <ashickur-noor> Hi
[08:14] <ashickur-noor> Any body here
[08:14] <ashickur-noor> Need to know some thing about Global Jam
[08:23] <ashickur-noor> Any body here?
[08:38] <czajkowski> ashickur-noor: what do you need to know ?
[08:39] <ashickur-noor> What type of event I can arrange in Global Jam
[08:39] <ashickur-noor> except describe one
[08:40] <ashickur-noor> There is some event name
[08:40] <ashickur-noor> But each of them need more then 2-3 perticipants
[08:40] <ashickur-noor> I don't have
[08:48]  * ashickur-noor going for lunch
[08:50] <czajkowski> ashickur-noor: what ever you can do is up to you, if you want to report bugs on your own great, or update wiki pages it's entirely up to you
[08:50] <czajkowski> each team will be very different
[09:00]  * ashickur-noor back
[09:02] <ashickur-noor> I have a workshop at end of this month
[09:02] <czajkowski> nods
[09:03] <ashickur-noor> I am thinking to prospone that to this dates
[09:03] <czajkowski> ashickur-noor: yup thats fine
[09:03] <ashickur-noor> Hum
[09:03] <czajkowski> some teams do that
[09:04] <ashickur-noor> What about the testing?
[09:04] <ashickur-noor> testing and bug reporting seems similar to me
[09:04] <czajkowski> yup you cna still do it
[09:04] <czajkowski> we just pick a weekend to run UGJ, but sometimes teams cant make that weekend but still want to take part
[09:09] <ashickur-noor> We don't have a LoCo
[09:09] <ashickur-noor> So how I can submit new Event?
[09:12] <head_victim> ashickur-noor: what country are you in?
[09:12] <ashickur-noor> Bangladesh
[09:12] <ashickur-noor> Our LoCo is not approved
[09:13] <head_victim> You should still be able to create events at http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-bd
[09:13] <ashickur-noor> hum
[09:13] <head_victim> As long as you're a member of https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bd it should work as far as I'm aware
[09:14] <ashickur-noor> But I am not the admin or head of this LoCo
[09:14] <ashickur-noor> Hum I am a member of this LoCo
[09:14] <head_victim> Other people in my loco create events without being admin, I believe all you need to do is be a part of the launchpad team and then create a new event.
[09:14] <ashickur-noor> So I can post a event?
[09:15] <head_victim> You do have to log in to the loco.u.c site though with the button in the top left hand corner of the page.
[09:15] <head_victim> I can't imagine why not, as long as you post it all around your loco's mailing list and other locations I'm sure people would be happy to see activity.
[09:17] <ashickur-noor> Ok
[09:18] <ashickur-noor> How many event I can organise in this Jam
[09:18] <head_victim> As many as you're willing to run.
[09:18] <dholbach> grrr, x crash
[09:18] <ashickur-noor> Hum
[09:18] <ashickur-noor> OK thanks
[09:19] <bkerensa> ashickur-noor: It can take a long time just to hold one event
[09:19] <bkerensa> ashickur-noor: Generally for a bug focused jam at least 4+ hours is a good starting point
[09:19] <ashickur-noor> 3 days we have
[09:19] <bkerensa> Oregon is planning to go from 10am to possibly 7-8pm or later at night
[09:19] <bkerensa> :D
[09:19] <ashickur-noor> I am planning to held a workshop for the beginners
[09:20] <bkerensa> Oh excellent
[09:20] <head_victim> bkerensa: our loco mainly does online ones as we're a bit too spread out to get enough people together to make it a good go
[09:20] <bkerensa> head_victim: What loco?
[09:20] <bkerensa> :D
[09:20] <ashickur-noor> On the weekday New Distro testing
[09:20] <head_victim> Australia :)
[09:20] <bkerensa> head_victim: Oh yeah most definitely
[09:21] <bkerensa> We are pretty spread out in Oregon but not nearly as bad as Australia
[09:21] <bkerensa> :D
[09:21] <head_victim> Our local area is trying to hold meetings quarterly in real world places and we're trying to encourage other cities to do the same.
[09:21] <bkerensa> head_victim: We do all of our meetings on IRC however we do Ubuntu Hours in various regions of our state and have global jams and release parties in the largest populace which is Portland
[09:22] <bkerensa> :D
[09:22] <head_victim> bkerensa: yep, we held an installfest in January in Brisbane
[09:22] <ashickur-noor> Installation Fest
[09:22] <head_victim> We're organising release parties for April and we're hoping to do a mid year open day or workshop type event
[09:22] <ashickur-noor> I gr8 idea
[09:23] <bkerensa> head_victim: Hmm... I would love to go to Australia someday but the cost of travel to their is pretty prohibitive
[09:23] <ashickur-noor> I am alone in BD to work with me
[09:23] <head_victim> bkerensa: yeah it's not cheap
[09:23] <bkerensa> Specifically I would like to go to Bewowra
[09:23] <bkerensa> :D
[09:23] <bkerensa> and of course a trip to Bondi
[09:23] <bkerensa> :D
[09:24] <head_victim> ashickur-noor: all I generally do when I'm trying to organise an event is to set it all up and then post it to the loco stating "I'm going to organise this, if anyone else wants to help me organise lets start discussing it"
[09:24] <head_victim> And then I either get help doing it or I don't, either way the event still happens
[09:24] <head_victim> bkerensa: what's at bewowra?
[09:24] <ashickur-noor> I always do it
[09:24] <bkerensa> head_victim: They have a big nice valley with Koalas in the wild and apparently some roos
[09:24] <bkerensa> :D
[09:25] <ashickur-noor> But no good
[09:25] <bkerensa> I also have some friends their
[09:25] <bkerensa> :D
[09:25] <head_victim> bkerensa: hahahaha that just described most of the country ;)
[09:25] <head_victim> Other then the friends thing
[09:25] <bkerensa> yeah
[09:25] <bkerensa> head_victim: Do you do Candy Trades ever?
[09:25] <bkerensa> :D
[09:25] <head_victim> In my high school we had koalas.
[09:25] <head_victim> That would run down between the buildings.
[09:26] <bkerensa> I used to do candy swaps all the time to Australia
[09:26] <head_victim> Ah never heard of the concept
[09:26] <bkerensa> for some reason my friends liked Big Red Gum and Vanilla Coke
[09:26] <bkerensa> :D
[09:26] <bkerensa> and they would send me Freddy Froggos
[09:26] <head_victim> We have both here now anyway ;)
[09:26] <bkerensa> and some other Ozzy candy
[09:27] <head_victim> ashickur-noor: I concentrated on social events for the most part int he early stages of trying to get activity together. Once you've interacted socially a few times with a similar group of people they tend to start working together more effectively. Psych 101 ;)
[09:27] <head_victim> bkerensa: tim tams?
[09:28] <ashickur-noor> I am doing it
[09:28] <bkerensa> head_victim: Never had those...
[09:29] <ashickur-noor> Have a big plan for Ubuntu community
[09:29] <ashickur-noor> But nothing I can do without help of my Local fellow
[09:29] <head_victim> ashickur-noor: if you do what you can as long as you're engaging those around you it will start working
[09:30] <head_victim> bkerensa: chocolate biscuits
[09:31] <ashickur-noor> Yes
[09:31] <ashickur-noor> I have done some of those
[09:31] <ashickur-noor> I told you before in the Asia Regiom Meeting
[09:33] <head_victim> ashickur-noor: so do you get people turning up to events? I assume you do if you keep doing them. In which case I would be holding a quick session during of the events to try and get some assistance running the next one.
[09:34] <ashickur-noor> Hum
[09:34] <head_victim> I found trying to be specific about what assistance you needed would help as well.
[09:35] <head_victim> I would often plan out what I hoped would happen and then let the loco know what support I needed to make it as good as it could be. For example if I'm organising a booth I'll write a list of hardware and volunteer requirements for people to fill in whatever they can offer.
[09:35] <head_victim> If I'm running a social event I'll see feedback on good locations.
[09:35] <head_victim> If I'm organising a workshop type event I'll create a list of things I need to make the day work. I even got sponsorship from a local consultancy firm for the food on one of the days.
[09:36] <ashickur-noor> I first put my planning in the list
[09:37] <ashickur-noor> To discuss
[09:37] <ashickur-noor> But each time I get some negative response and OT
[09:38] <head_victim> Ah ok, well maybe try to target the people attending the events. Do you get many people come along to more than one?
[09:40] <ashickur-noor> head_victim:  Today there is a meeting of Asia Region
[09:40] <ashickur-noor> ?
[09:41] <head_victim> Yes, there is a membership board meeting in 20 minutes
[09:42] <ashickur-noor> This meeting is only for membership board?
[09:42] <ashickur-noor> I don't know that
[09:43] <head_victim> Yes, it's to evaluation applications for ubuntu membership
[09:43] <ashickur-noor> Yap I know that
[09:43] <ashickur-noor> I try two times in a row
[09:45] <head_victim> ashickur-noor: the loco.u.c page is perfect for showing how you've contributed for future applications
[09:45] <head_victim> make sure you get some photos put on the team flickr or pixie site and have them link to the loco.u.c page as well
[09:45] <dholbach> I'm going to be unhappy today, I know it
[09:45] <dholbach> damn X
[09:45] <head_victim> dholbach: 12.04 issues?
[09:46] <ashickur-noor> I use to do it in my wiki
[09:46] <dholbach> head_victim, yes
[09:46] <ashickur-noor> My events was not held by LoCo
[09:46] <ashickur-noor> Just personal
[09:46] <head_victim> dholbach: ah I'm only playing in virtualbox still. Appears to be pretty good for me so far except a bit of a hiccup with msn in empathy
[09:46] <dholbach> generally I'm quite happy with 12.04
[09:47] <head_victim> ashickur-noor: but aren't you a part of the loco? I've organised heaps of events but always as "the loco".
[09:47] <dholbach> in the last 3-4 days I had some X crashes
[09:47] <dholbach> I'm sure they'll get sorted out
[09:47] <ashickur-noor> I was not sure that I can do that behalf of the LoCo
[09:47] <ashickur-noor> I try to do that in 11.10 release party
[09:48] <head_victim> dholbach: they always do
[09:48] <ashickur-noor> But the LoCo head refuse to do that
[09:48] <head_victim> ashickur-noor: no reason you can't. As long as you're following the generic code of conduct and attempting to involve local Ubuntu users the loco would seem a natural fit for events.
[09:49] <bkerensa> heh
[09:49] <ashickur-noor> I was not sure about that
[09:49] <bkerensa> time to push some code I wrote in 2002 to Github
[09:49] <bkerensa> :D
[09:49] <head_victim> If your loco leader is refusing for you to run events without providing reasonable reasons I'd forward emails on to the loco-council to discuss your options.
[09:49] <ashickur-noor> so I do it by my own
[09:49] <czajkowski> ashickur-noor: what loco is this ?
[09:49] <ashickur-noor> OK thnaks
[09:49] <ashickur-noor> ubuntu-bd
[09:49] <czajkowski> what is bd?
[09:50] <ashickur-noor> though the LoCo admin was present in the party
[09:50] <ashickur-noor> But it was not from the LoCo
[09:51] <czajkowski> ashickur-noor: what team is bd ?
[09:51] <head_victim> czajkowski: bangladesh
[09:51] <czajkowski> thanks
[09:52] <ashickur-noor> head_victim:  You told me about official guide
[09:52] <ashickur-noor> What menas by Official?
[09:53] <head_victim> ashickur-noor: not sure what you're talking about an official guide?
[09:53] <czajkowski> ashickur-noor: what is the team contacts/team leaders reason for not organising events?
[09:54] <ashickur-noor> czajkowski:  I will forward you the list mail  latter
[09:54] <ashickur-noor> need to search that
[09:54] <czajkowski> just wondered if it was a reasonable reason, like dates not suiting the rest of the team, or are they stopping any events happening
[09:55] <czajkowski> if you mail the loco council
[09:55] <czajkowski> and give me a ping I'll moderate the amil
[09:55] <czajkowski> *mail
[09:55] <ashickur-noor> head_victim:  In my fisrt membership board meeting I told abotu a guide
[09:55] <ashickur-noor> You ask me is it official
[09:56] <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-bd/events/history
[09:56] <czajkowski> have done some events
[09:58] <ashickur-noor> Yap I knpw
[09:58] <ashickur-noor> *know
[09:58] <ashickur-noor> I miss the first two
[09:58] <head_victim> ashickur-noor: if you mean user documentation the official guide is help.ubuntu.com or the community documentation at help.ubuntu.com/community that's the only sort of guide I can think of
[09:58] <ashickur-noor> Oh
[09:58] <ashickur-noor> I used to make local guides
[09:59] <ashickur-noor> That suites our users
[09:59] <ashickur-noor> More over our LoCo team Contact person is out of touch
[09:59] <ashickur-noor> I E mailed him some time
[09:59] <ashickur-noor> but no reply
[10:26] <s-fox> Hello.
[10:54] <dholbach> dpm, hast Du gleich mal Zeit, ein wenig zu telefonieren?
[11:03] <dholbach> dpm, hast Du gleich mal Zeit, ein wenig zu telefonieren? :)
[11:03] <dpm> dholbach, sorry, mein Internet scheinte nicht so stabil zu sein. Ja, lass uns das machen :)
[11:03] <dholbach> prima
[11:36]  * dpm hugs dholbach
[11:38] <jokerdino> wow, is the freenode unstable or something? I see mass movements.
[11:38] <popey> !netsplit
[11:38] <ubot2`> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[11:39] <jokerdino> heh :/
[11:40]  * dholbach hugs dpm back
[12:10] <duanedesign> hello nigelb
[12:25] <czajkowski> dpm: got a moment ?
[12:26] <dpm> hi czajkowski, sure, what's up?
[12:26] <czajkowski> dpm: got a moment for a quick pm please?
[12:27] <dpm> sure
[12:27] <czajkowski> thanks
[13:23] <nigelb> Hey duanedesign
[13:48] <jo-erlend> status.ubuntu.com is really nice. Is that open to launchpad projects, or is it only for Ubuntu development?
[13:49] <popey> i think the code is open
[13:49] <popey> so you could run your own page to monitor your own projects
[13:52] <jo-erlend> ah, I see.
[13:52] <jo-erlend> ehrm.. I could use some help. I managed to zoom my desktop somehow... I don't remember how to zoom out
[13:53] <jo-erlend> oh, I found it. Super+scroll :)
[13:55] <mainerror> Oh hey jo-erlend.
[13:55] <mainerror> Are you the same jo-erlend as on Ask Ubuntu?
[13:55] <jo-erlend> yes
[13:56] <mainerror> Nice. :)
[13:56] <jo-erlend> thank you. :)
[13:56] <mainerror> Actually, I wanted to say, nice to meet you! :P
[13:56] <jo-erlend> likewise. :)
[13:56] <mainerror> I'm Octavian Damiean on Ask Ubuntu by the way. ;)
[13:57] <popey> oh golly, we have super scroll enabled by default!?
[13:57] <jo-erlend> ah, yes, that's a familiar name.
[13:57] <jo-erlend> popey, seems so. And I somehow made my xchat into a ghost. It's very transparent.
[13:57]  * popey files a bug about that
[13:58] <popey> the keyboard shortcuts thing pops up when you zoom
[13:58] <jo-erlend> confirm it first please. My home was not fresh with Precise.
[13:58] <popey> i have two precise machines
[14:00] <mainerror> This Magic Trackpad problem is a bit frustrating. Are there any Magic Trackpad users around?
[14:03] <mhall119> jo-erlend: try ctrl+scroll or alt+scroll to fix the transparency
[14:04] <jo-erlend> mhall119, ah, thank you. :)
[14:06] <jo-erlend> that's very nice, but I don't think that should be activated by default... if it is. I tried all the combinations I could think of. Except alt, that is. :)
[14:13] <jcastro> Daviey: around?
[15:31] <Daviey> jcastro: always
[15:43] <cjohnston> an hour and 15 minutes later.. heh
[15:44] <balloons> mainerror, what's wrong with your magic trackpad?
[15:56] <jono> hey all
[15:57] <mhall119> hey jono
[15:57] <cprofitt> hey
[15:57] <jono> hey mhall119, cprofitt
[15:57] <balloons> hey hey hey
[15:57] <jono> mhall119, dholbach, dpm, jcastro, balloons all set for the meeting?
[15:57] <mhall119> yup
[15:57] <dholbach> yes
[15:57] <balloons> yessir
[15:57]  * mhall119 gets his list
[15:57] <dpm> yep!
[15:57] <balloons> time flies!
[15:58] <jcastro> yeah but I can not go first?
[15:58] <jcastro> :)
[15:58]  * balloons gets confused about which meeting is which
[15:58] <jono> jcastro, sure
[15:58] <jono> balloons, tuesday, IRC, wednesdays, hangout
[15:59] <cjohnston> Can this meeting be added to the fridge calendar please?
[15:59] <jcastro> hey is today G+ or irc?
[15:59]  * jcastro snickers
[15:59] <dpm> jcastro, IRC
[15:59] <jono> cjohnston, I thought it was
[15:59] <jono> cjohnston, if not, can you add it?
[16:00] <cjohnston> I don't see it
[16:00] <cjohnston> sure
[16:00] <jono> thanks cjohnston
[16:00] <jono> #meetingstart
[16:00] <jono> #startmeeting
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[16:00] <jono> :-)
[16:00] <jono> alrighty!
[16:00] <jono> roll up! roll up! welcome to the Canonical Community Team meeting!
[16:00] <jono> here we do our usual round of roundtables
[16:00] <jcastro> AWWWW YEAH
[16:01] <jono> everyone is welcome to ask questions at the end of each roundtable
[16:01] <jono> so lets kick off with....David Planella, dpm!
[16:01] <dpm> hey!
[16:01] <dholbach> didn't jcastro want to go first?
[16:01] <dpm> here we go
[16:01] <jcastro> no!
[16:01] <dpm> :-)
[16:01] <dholbach> oh ok
[16:01] <dholbach> sorry :)
[16:01]  * dholbach misread
[16:02] <jono> :-)
[16:02]  * dpm thinks rather trolling
[16:02] <dpm> - Discussion on 12.04 translation milestones with skaet: docs string freeze moved back a bit to give more time to translators
[16:02] <dpm> - Several ARB discussions. Those involved will have probably seen jono's e-mail. The outcome is that the community team will postpone any contributions to the ARB to give them time until the end of March to clear up the current submissions in the queue.
[16:02] <dpm> - Answered some open questions on Simplified Chinese localization from the Canonical PES team, worked with kyleN to provide a schedule, plan and cost estimate for the project.
[16:03] <dpm> - Blog post: top 10 Ubuntu January app downloads - got picked up by PCWorld and they published an article about it
[16:03] <dpm> - Started working on getting my burn-down in shape
[16:04] <dpm> I think these were the highlights this week
[16:04] <mhall119> do you have a link to the PCWorld article?
[16:04] <dpm> sure, let me dig it out
[16:05] <dpm> http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/249663/20_popular_ubuntu_linux_apps_to_try_now.html
[16:05] <jono> any questions for dpm?
[16:05] <dpm> and the original here: http://developer.ubuntu.com/2012/02/top-10-ubuntu-app-downloads-for-january-2012/
[16:06] <mhall119> oh cool, I know the author
[16:06] <mhall119> didn't know she's writing for PCWorld now
[16:06] <dpm> mhall119, excellent :)
[16:06] <jono> alrighty, next up.....
[16:06] <jono> Michael Hall, mhall119
[16:07] <jono> woooo!
[16:07] <jono> *the crowd roars!*
[16:07] <mhall119> woo hoo
[16:07] <dpm> \o/
[16:07] <mhall119> forgive me if I'm slow, dist-upgrade broke about half my usual keyboard shortcuts this morning
[16:08] <jono> mhall119, np :-)
[16:08] <mhall119>  - Added Markdown formatting support to loco.ubuntu.com for Global Events, Team Events and Meetings
[16:09] <mhall119>  - Added social media integration links to Global Events (and our numbers on http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1443/detail/ are looking really good now, thanks jono)
[16:09] <mhall119>  - Added the Global Jam Dashboard page to LTP: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/globaljam/
[16:10] <mhall119>  - Finished getting daker setup as the new owner of the LTP project (thanks for stepping up to take it on daker), and walked him through his first deployment
[16:10]  * dholbach hugs daker
[16:11] <mhall119>  - For the past few weeks I've been putting together a list of the most popular (by number of rating) apps from the software center, and evaluating their level of integration with Unity
[16:11] <mhall119> this week I finished the evaluation, and this is how we look: http://ubuntuone.com/2a64a2VUmjqmSXPxHiSFq3
[16:12] <mhall119> now I'll be working to converting all those "Wanted" and "Needed" numbers into "Done"
[16:12]  * mhall119 is finished
[16:12] <jono> thanks mhall119!
[16:12] <jono> any questions for mhall119 regarding his work?
[16:13] <jcastro> yeah
[16:13] <dpm> mhall119, how did you get the rating data?
[16:13] <jcastro> I am confused about the UGC page
[16:13] <jcastro> we have the dashboard and the event page
[16:13] <mhall119> dpm: one of the SC guys generated the list for me
[16:13] <mhall119> it's based on number of ratings
[16:13] <jcastro> and at first glance they seem really similar
[16:13] <dholbach> no questions, just wanted to say: good work on the LTP
[16:14] <jono> mhall119, can you fix the UGJ page so the general page is at events/globaljam and the dash is at events/globaljam/dashboard?
[16:14] <jono> this is what we originally discussed
[16:14] <mhall119> jono: yes, we'll be prepping for another release this week, including the fix for the participating teams count
[16:15] <dpm> mhall119, ah, cool - there's also a public api for the ratings, in case you need to use it in the future: https://reviews.ubuntu.com/reviews/api/1.0/review-stats/
[16:15] <mhall119> dpm: cool, thanks
[16:15] <jono> mhall119, will that include these URL changes?
[16:16] <mhall119> jono: yeah, I can get that change done today
[16:16] <jono> thanks mhall119!
[16:16] <jono> alrighty!
[16:16] <jono> next up...Daniel Holbach, dholbach!
[16:16] <dholbach> alrighty!
[16:16] <dholbach>  - Dev Stats: moved to new data source. Quite a bit of refactoring. Lots of manual analysis of data.
[16:16] <jono> :-)
[16:16] <dholbach>  - Dev News: call with team, pinged interviewees again, interviewed Kubuntu team and posted update.
[16:17] <dholbach>  - Summer of Code: announced on ubuntu-devel@, set up wiki page, added my own proposal, sent reminder to ubuntu-devel@
[16:17] <dholbach>  - UGJ: mailed African LoCo contacts/admins, simplified UGJ wiki page, populated TODO section and asked devs for input.
[16:17] <dholbach>  - UDW: thanked UDW presenters, some follow-up discussions.
[16:17] <dholbach>  - Harvest: discussed with Abel how we can improve the search for bugs which are fixed upstream. Looks like the change is too big to get done in LP any time soon. :-(
[16:17] <dholbach>  - CC: CC Hangout.
[16:18] <dholbach>  - Sponsoring: Sponsorship Friday.
[16:18] <dholbach>  - Misc: helped HR with a German translations, blogged a general status update.
[16:18] <dholbach> (that's it)
[16:19] <dpm> dholbach, any interesting bits from post-UDW discussions?
[16:19] <jcastro> dholbach: yeah I am interested if we think the new format worked?
[16:20] <dholbach> dpm, yes, some folks mentioned who was active in their sessions and I'm going to contact them and see how interested they are in joining the team - other than that just positive comments
[16:20] <mhall119> dholbach: any discussion about merging developer week and app developer week?
[16:20] <dholbach> jcastro, yes - some said that the sessions were a bit short (they picked a 30m slot), but a lot of them said "short, but punchy"
[16:20] <dholbach> mhall119, not within the group of speakers, but dpm and I talked about it
[16:21] <dpm> yeah, I was wondering if I should keep the 30 m format for UADW or go back to the old 1h format
[16:21] <jcastro> we could keep the 3 days but go to 1 hour slots?
[16:21] <dholbach> dpm, I offered speakers both possibilities
[16:22] <cprofitt> I actually like the 30 minute time
[16:22] <dholbach> → https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable
[16:22] <cprofitt> perhaps extend for questions... but only another 5-10 minutes
[16:22] <mhall119> I liked having the option of 30 or 60 minutes
[16:22] <cprofitt> 60 minutes seems to be very long
[16:22] <mhall119> wished I had grabbed a full 60 for my first session
[16:22] <cprofitt> +1
[16:22] <mhall119> but 30 was more than enough for my second
[16:22] <balloons> yea.. seems like 30 mins feels rushed, 60 mins is TOO long
[16:22] <cprofitt> can always merge two 30 minute slots if necessary
[16:23] <mhall119> cprofitt: exactly
[16:23] <balloons> 30 mins always leaves people asking questions after session
[16:23] <cprofitt> 40-45 minutes would likely be perfect
[16:23] <balloons> but it's important to leave them wanting IMHO
[16:23] <cprofitt> maybe 30 minute slots with a 10 minute intermission
[16:23] <mhall119> balloons: depended on the session and the level of interest
[16:23] <cjohnston> as long as the speaker is willing to give more later
[16:23] <cprofitt> it is impossible to satisfy everyone
[16:23] <mhall119> cprofitt: that makes scheduling more complex
[16:24] <cprofitt> I agree mhall119
[16:24] <mhall119> it easy to remember if the session you want to attend is at :00 or :30
[16:24] <mhall119> harder for :10, :20, :40, :50
[16:24] <cprofitt> maybe a room other than the 'chat' that speakers can go to if folks have more questions
[16:24] <mhall119> cprofitt: usually there are existing channels for that
[16:24] <mhall119> the project's own channel
[16:24] <dholbach> yeah
[16:24] <cprofitt> I know the person that spoke right before me was answering questions in 'chat' for a good 10 minutes during my session
[16:24] <dholbach> that makes sense
[16:24] <balloons> yes, exactly.. I see people getting more invovled after the session as a good thing
[16:25] <dholbach> ie: a bugs session, ask everyone to join #ubuntu-bugs to ask even more questions, etc. :)
[16:25] <mhall119> cprofitt: yeah, we should make an effort to move Q&A out of chat when the session ends, so it doesn't become a distraction
[16:25] <jono> why not just make an overflow channel for discussion
[16:26] <jono> #ubuntu-classroom-chat-overflow
[16:26] <jcastro> well ideally a session starts, and then the people end up at that project's IRC room
[16:26] <mhall119> 90% of the time it will be better to direct them to a project-specific channel
[16:26] <jcastro> so if it's about quickly, go to #ubuntu-app-dev at the end, or whatever
[16:26] <jcastro> right
[16:26] <jono> jcastro, for some projects that room is #ubuntu-devel
[16:26] <jono> which people might not like
[16:27] <mhall119> which people?
[16:27] <mhall119> developers or attendees?
[16:27] <cprofitt> hmm... just thinking here
[16:27] <jono> regulars in #ubuntu-devel
[16:27] <jono> I think it might make sense to organize an IRC meeting to discuss this in more detail
[16:27] <cprofitt> are we concerned with potential over lap issues
[16:27] <jono> dholbach, could you coordinate that?
[16:27] <dholbach> #ubuntu-motu might be more appropriate in some cases
[16:28] <cprofitt> a person wants to attend session 1 and session 2... then misses the after discussion on session 1?
[16:28] <dholbach> it's a balance you have to strike, but most presenters should know which other irc channel might be appropriate
[16:28] <dholbach> jono, sure
[16:28] <cprofitt> +1 dholbach - and we can assist them with that ahead of time as well
[16:28] <cprofitt> yeah -- sorry to get you guys off focus
[16:28] <dholbach> for UDW I'll add a note about that to my organisation notes
[16:28] <jono> thanks dholbach
[16:28] <jono> cprofitt, no worries!
[16:28] <mhall119> yeah,  I usually end with something like "If you have any other questions that I didn't get to, please join #channel and ask them there"
[16:29] <jono> I just want to ensure you guys have the time to discuss
[16:29] <jono> next up.......
[16:29] <jono> ....Jorge Castro, jcastro!
[16:29] <jcastro> ALRIGHT!
[16:29] <jcastro> - Just got my first precise crash and lost my report, so I've been typing furiously for 5 minutes. For some reason my Unity session is gone but I can log into gnome? (LOL)
[16:29] <mhall119> \o/
[16:29] <jcastro> - No new charms this week :( But the team got a bunch of work done for automated testing, which fixed a bunch of little bugs in charms.
[16:29] <jcastro> - Our second juju webinar is ready, will announce soon.
[16:29] <jcastro> - Still looking for a ejabberd charmer!
[16:29] <jcastro> (date for the webinar is March 8)
[16:29] <jo-erlend> jono, do you have a moment? I would like to chat with you about these Experience Teams of yours.
[16:29] <jcastro> - Today: This looks way cool, going to find a charmer: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/meet-open-source-ebook-editingpublishing-app-booktype/
[16:29] <jcastro> - Working with Cezz on what we need to have real marketing material for juju.
[16:29] <jcastro> - Almost done getting the finalized Charm School for openstack
[16:29] <dholbach> *grrr* Xorg crash
[16:30] <jcastro> dholbach: me too!
[16:30] <jono> jo-erlend, sure, will msg
[16:30] <jcastro> - Mail sent to Latin america about the Global Jam
[16:30] <jcastro> - TODO this week: Link up with Daviey and IS wrt. Openstack., mhall about graphs, need to finish all the Charm School material like handouts and slides, do TODO list for the global jam
[16:30] <jcastro> - Details in my trello board
[16:30] <jcastro> any questions?
[16:31] <jcastro> oh, all social Unity things now belong to mhall, so we can scratch that off.
[16:31] <jcastro> oh and "begin OpenWeek Planning" is on there too
[16:32] <jono> cool
[16:32] <jono> any questions for jcastro?
[16:32] <jcastro> I'll be more chatty in the G+ when my X isn't crashing constantly
[16:33] <jono> jcastro, X is crashing?
[16:33] <jono> jcastro, it absolutely shouldn't be
[16:33]  * mhall119 is excited about the possibilities of wayland
[16:33] <jono> jcastro, have you talked to RAOF
[16:33] <jono> ?
[16:33]  * dholbach filed bugs and mentioned in #ubuntu-x
[16:33] <jcastro> No it literally started about 4 minutes before my report
[16:33] <mhall119> jcastro: did you do a dist-upgrade this morning?
[16:33] <jcastro> and now it's stuck in a loop and I'm sshing in, but I'll be fine
[16:33] <dpm> gosh
[16:34] <jcastro> mhall119: I usually update every day, yeah
[16:34] <jono> jcastro, hmmmm
[16:34] <cjohnston> the archives are whacked today is what I've been informed
[16:34] <cjohnston> sorry for the late notice jcastro
[16:34] <jono> this is *exactly* what we should be preventing
[16:34] <jono> I just dist-upgraded too
[16:35] <jono> jcastro, can you be sure to let Jason Warner know?
[16:35] <dholbach> jcastro, on your x220? have a look at /var/crash/ and file the bug report - see if it's the same stacktrace as in 931344
[16:35] <jcastro> yeah, I know how to proceed guys
[16:35] <mhall119> I had X freeze on me a couple times this morning, did a dist-upgrade and now things seem better
[16:35] <dholbach> if it is, it might help to disable the touchpad in BIOS for now
[16:35] <jcastro> I just wasn't prepared to have it happen right before the meeting, heh
[16:35] <cprofitt> jcastro: can you send me the message mhall119 sent -- looking to compare what I am sending
[16:35] <mhall119> what message did I send?
[16:35] <jono> these X issues are not good
[16:36] <jono> I will talk to Jason about it
[16:36] <jono> alrighty....
[16:36] <jono> ....next....up....
[16:36] <jono> ...Nick Skaggs, balloons!
[16:36] <balloons> yea-haw
[16:36] <balloons> ok, here goes
[16:37] <balloons> up until feature freeze and beta, expect alot of calls for testing from me :-)
[16:37] <balloons> --contacted oceania loco teams about upcoming global jam to help with events planning
[16:37] <balloons> --Issued calls for testing on compiz, and alsa
[16:37] <balloons> --Continued work on quality landscape document inside ubuntu. I am still researching the different groups and there purposes, goals etc. If your doing QA work for ubuntu in any capacity (developing tools, running tests, etc) I'd love to hear from you.
[16:37] <balloons> --revised workflow for calls for testing to include better metrics and test cases (WIP!)
[16:38] <balloons> --investigated launchpad api in support of testing metrics (still a newbie at this!)
[16:38] <balloons> --Added more manual test cases rewrites to the QA wiki, in preparation for the beta release. Even got a new app added!
[16:38] <balloons> --worked with stefano on case conductor charm. Both us and mozilla team are getting us closer to having a pilot running for ubuntu qa :-)
[16:38] <balloons> --blogged about community opportunities inside ubuntu QA, on-going series that will highlight different areas of involvement. Highlighted application testing last week
[16:38] <balloons> --started tweeting calls for testing! @ubuntutesting. Follow that handle if your interested and on twitter.
[16:39] <balloons> that's about it.. like I said, more calls for testing some new stuff this week..
[16:40] <jono> any questions for balloons?
[16:40] <mhall119> @ubuntutesting needs an avatar
[16:40] <meetingology> mhall119: Error: "ubuntutesting" is not a valid command.
[16:40] <mhall119> :/
[16:40] <balloons> any ideas for an avatar?
[16:41] <mhall119> is there a testing pictogram?
[16:41] <jcastro> aha, my thing is PPA related, looks like my problem isn't in the distro
[16:42] <dpm> balloons, as mhall119 is suggesting, perhaps you find a suitable pictogram on http://design.canonical.com/brand/Logos/
[16:42] <jcastro> jono: no need to ping jason, I'm working it with didrocks
[16:42] <jono> jcastro, yeah discussing with Rick right now
[16:42] <jono> looks it might be compiz
[16:42] <balloons> thanks dpm and mhall119
[16:42] <jono> thanks balloons!
[16:42] <mhall119> balloons: I'm  not seeing a testing pictogram, but we really should have one.  Maybe send an email to the design team asking them to make one?
[16:42] <jono> ok...finally....
[16:42] <jono> ....yours truly:
[16:42] <jono>  * General and Team:
[16:43] <jono>   - Burndown is looking good. Everything is on track.
[16:43] <jono>   - Put in place a 20% and demo day G+ hangout each week where the team demo what they have been working on.
[16:43] <jono>   - Reviewing the output of the Annual Strategy Meeting that took place a few weeks back. Things looking good.
[16:43] <jono>  * App Developers:
[16:43] <jono>   - Planning the App Dev competition. Should be launched in the next few weeks.
[16:43] <jono>   - After some discussion, took the team out of the ARB to give them space to process the outstanding queue. Will revisit in March.
[16:43] <jono>  * Upsteams:
[16:43] <jono>   - Working with Mike to finalize our data around upstream targets and their current Unity integration. The list is looking good.
[16:44] <jono>  * Devs:
[16:44] <jono>   - Working with Daniel to get the dev stats fixed.
[16:44] <jono>   - Focusing on getting the advisory team up and running and actively mentoring.
[16:44] <jono>  * Juju and Server:
[16:44] <jono>   - Brainstorming ideas for charm community growth and end-user growth of Juju.
[16:44] <jono>   - Continuing to finalize keynotes for OSCON.
[16:44] <jono>  * QA:
[16:45] <jono>   - Working with Nick to get a list of Ubuntu components that we determine require PPA/Proposed testing before they land in the archive.
[16:45] <jono>   - Working with Nick to get the testing process in place for devs to call throughout each cycle.
[16:45] <jono>   - Working towards a community consolidation plan to provide a more refined community.
[16:45] <jono>   - Getting better general visibility on our QA operations across test plans, testing output, etc.
[16:45] <jono>  * UDS:
[16:45] <jono>   - Assessing some structural adjustments to UDS. No change for the next one.
[16:45] <jono>   - Gathering stakeholder input.
[16:45] <jono>  * Ubuntu Accomplishments:
[16:46] <jono>   - Got the first full cut working of the process - it now works pretty much end-to-end.
[16:46] <jono>   - Next step is refine the auth data handling and start opening it up for testing.
[16:46] <jono>  * LoCos:
[16:46] <jono>   - Put together some mockups for an improved Ubuntu Global Jam page. Thanks to Mike for the implementation.
[16:46] <jono>   - Some promotion of the page across social media.
[16:46] <jono>   - Coordinating team promotion of the event across different LoCo regions.
[16:46] <jono>  * Other:
[16:46] <jono>   - Continued work on the 'I Make Ubuntu' idea.
[16:46] <jono>   - Work and discussion of a few other outreach campaigns.
[16:46] <jono>   - Clarifying some elements of the Kubuntu investment decision.
[16:47] <jono>   - Hooked up Wired for some press information for Ubuntu Business Remix.
[16:47] <jono>   - Working with the comms team to make some small changes to the Ubuntu Facebook page.
[16:47] <jono> and I think that is about it
[16:47] <jono> any questions?
[16:47] <cjohnston> Could you explain what you mean by "structural adjustments" please
[16:47] <jono> cjohnston, I knew you were going to ask this :-)
[16:48] <cjohnston> ;-)
[16:48] <mhall119> ^^ we're going to be hacking on the summit code over the next couple months, so any changes we can make
[16:48] <cjohnston> I don't know why
[16:48] <jono> just assessing how long UDS is
[16:48] <jono> whether five days is required or whether we could shorten it
[16:48] <jcastro> 3 days would be SO AWESOME.
[16:48] <jono> and maybe include an additional event afterwards
[16:48] <cjohnston> we dont hit everything we want to with uds at 5 days
[16:48] <jono> cjohnston, well this is the question
[16:49] <jono> there is a lot of content at UDS that ultimately never gets done
[16:49] <mhall119> cjohnston: we probably wouldn't hit everything we wanted with 10 days either
[16:49] <jono> anyway, for the next UDS it will be five days
[16:49] <jono> and UDS is an expensive event for Canonical to run
[16:49] <jono> so we need to be efficient
[16:49] <cjohnston> I don't disagree.. I just wonder if we would miss something good because of something that isn't so good by shortening it..
[16:49] <jono> cjohnston, sure, people are welcome to have meetings online in those cases
[16:50] <jono> we will always face the question of "could we miss something"
[16:50] <mhall119> cjohnston: it'll just mean we'll need to focus on what we can only do effectively in-person
[16:50] <jono> I think the question is how we strike a balance
[16:50] <jono> any other questions, folks?
[16:50] <cjohnston> I would think that the track leads need to use more judgement in their approvals
[16:50] <jono> cjohnston, well, when we do that people get unhappy
[16:50] <jono> hence it being  a balance
[16:50] <cjohnston> I have a proposal for the whole group to think about if we are done with jono questions
[16:51] <jono> cjohnston, think about what?
[16:51] <mhall119> jono: is someone checking the difference in flight costs between weekend and weekday flights?
[16:51] <jono> mhall119, yep
[16:51] <mhall119> jono: oh, also, if it's 3 days, would it be Monday-Wednesday, or Friday-Sunday?
[16:52] <jono> mhall119, no idea, it isn't going to be three days for the next UDS
[16:52] <cjohnston> If you look at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/ there is alot of spam with the #uds hashtag.. I think we should maybe look into changing it to something that would hopefully get a little less spam.. seems as though since its 3 letters, it gets used for alot more stuff...
[16:52] <jono> it will be five days
[16:52] <mhall119> jono: ok
[16:52] <mhall119> cjohnston: agreed, we stopped using #ugj for a similar reason
[16:52] <jcastro> cjohnston: maybe just shut it off until like 2 weeks before uds?
[16:53] <cjohnston> jcastro: even still, spam gets in during those two weeks.. probably see less of it.. but something that i think we should think about
[16:54] <mhall119> it's not so much spam, just people using #uds to mean something else, isn't it?
[16:54] <jono> spam gets in where?
[16:54] <dholbach> jcastro, if your bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/931344 too - cnd is on it :-D
[16:54] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 931344 in xorg-server "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV in XIGetDeviceProperty()" [Medium,Confirmed]
[16:54] <jono> the twitter support?
[16:54] <cjohnston> spam to us..
[16:54] <jono> cjohnston, where though?
[16:54] <cjohnston> yes jono... other people use #uds
[16:54] <mhall119> jono: people are using #uds on twitter to reference something other than UDS
[16:54] <jono> why not just shut off the twitter support then?
[16:54] <jono> and leave up summit
[16:54] <mhall119> or switch it to #ubuntu
[16:54] <jono> yeah
[16:54] <cprofitt> could we do #UDS-Q
[16:54] <jono> my hunch is that we move to an #ubuntu hashtag
[16:55] <mhall119> no hyphens
[16:55] <cprofitt> ah
[16:55] <jcastro> and nothing we need to update every cycle. :)
[16:55]  * cprofitt nods
[16:55] <jono> I would prefer we aggregate around a single hashtag with lots of activity
[16:55] <mhall119> I'm +1 for using #ubuntu across the board
[16:55] <cprofitt> then #ubuntu makes sense
[16:55] <balloons> +1
[16:55] <jcastro> yeah why do we even split hashtags for events
[16:55]  * jono hi-fives mhall119
[16:55] <cprofitt> that way people see it regardless
[16:55] <cprofitt> +1 #ubuntu
[16:55] <jono> yup
[16:55] <jcastro> we should make everything just use #ubuntu
[16:55] <jono> jcastro, indeed
[16:55] <jono> alright, any other discussion?
[16:55] <cjohnston> jono: #ubuntu then? if so, I can make the changes now
[16:55] <jcastro> shut down all the other hashtags! Quick, find popey!
[16:55] <popey> o/
[16:56] <jono> cjohnston, that would be my vote :-)
[16:56] <cjohnston> lol
[16:56] <mhall119> jcastro: lol
[16:56] <popey> gladly
[16:56] <mhall119> popey: Shut It Down!
[16:56] <jcastro> Is there anything else we can delete today?
[16:56]  * popey delegates to pleia2 
[16:56] <mhall119> cheater
[16:56] <cjohnston> jcastro: delete the wiki
[16:56] <cprofitt> lol
[16:56] <jcastro> I wish. :)
[16:56] <cprofitt> I was going to say delete Windows Source Code
[16:57] <jcastro> ok we done? I have work to do!
[16:57]  * mhall119 is done
[16:57] <jcastro> o/ everyone!
[16:57] <mhall119> and by "work" I assume jcastro means "lunch"
[16:57] <cjohnston> +1 mhall119
[16:57] <cprofitt> I think I am going to got eat too...
[16:57] <balloons> ahahah.. food
[16:57] <jcastro> mhall119: work means this stupid nutrisystem thing in the microwave for "lunch" ;_;
[16:57] <jcastro> diets suck. ....
[16:58] <balloons> i am going to succumb as well since you mentioned it
[16:58] <mhall119> jcastro: ew
[16:58] <mhall119> jono: #endmeeting?
[16:58] <jono> lets do it
[16:58] <jono> #endmeeting
[16:59] <jono> thanks everyone!
[16:59] <jono> so has anyone else dist-upgraded today?
[16:59] <dholbach> I did
[16:59] <jcastro> mine is fine
[16:59] <balloons> yep i did
[16:59] <jcastro> it was this staging PPA that did me in
[17:00] <jono> ok so an upgrade is fine?
[17:00] <jcastro> but I reverted to distro version and it seems fine so far.
[17:00] <jcastro> seems fine to me (knocking on wood)
[17:00] <dholbach> the bug I face seems to be related to the "clickpad" on the x220
[17:00] <dholbach> and it seems like Chase is on it
[17:00] <dholbach> for now I was told to try to disable it in the BIOS
[17:00] <jono> dpm, will be one sec
[17:01] <dpm> jono, no rush
[17:01] <jcastro> dholbach: when did you get an X220?
[17:01] <jcastro> I have one
[17:01] <balloons> anyone else have a multitouch clickpad device?
[17:01] <dholbach> jcastro, some months ago
[17:01] <mhall119> I dist-upgraded, and got bit by https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz-core/+bug/931927
[17:01] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 931927 in compiz-core "unity has stolen all my <super> shortcuts" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:01] <balloons> I am sending out the call for testing the clickpad changes now.. they are working great on my chromebook.. I finally got proper support for the mouse.. it's SO nice
[17:03] <popey> \o/ x220 club!
[17:03] <popey> just ordered an SSD for mine :D
[17:05] <cprofitt> popey: nice rig
[17:06] <popey> i absolutely love my x220
[17:06] <cprofitt> I have not decided what I am going to do for my next one... I have a T500 now...
[17:06] <koolhead17> hi all
[17:07] <jono> dpm, creating the hangout
[17:08] <dpm> jono, ok, coming over...
[17:09] <jono> cool
[18:20] <balloons> well this is exciting
[18:20] <jono> anyone know where mhall is?
[18:20] <jono> ahhh netsplit
[18:21] <balloons> very much so
[19:30] <jcastro> caffeine refill bbiab
[19:43] <cjohnston> jono: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-community seems to be missing some people  ;-)
[19:49] <jcastro> mhall119: thanks for that ISD tip, mail sent
[19:49] <jcastro> <3
[19:49] <jcastro> mhall119: we are an awesome team
[19:51] <mhall119> jcastro: +1 :)
[19:54] <jono> jcastro, around?
[19:54] <jcastro> yea
[19:54] <jono> jcastro, quick G+?
[19:54] <jcastro> sure, gimme 5 for biobreak?
[19:55] <jono> sure
[19:56] <jcastro> sec, plugincrash again
[19:56] <jono> np
[19:57] <jono> jcastro, actually nm
[19:57] <jono> found another guinea pig
[19:58] <jcastro> awww, booo
[20:00] <czajkowski> heh
[21:03] <akgraner> pleia2, do you know any places near you that can print buttons/pins?
[21:04]  * akgraner is wondering if most graphics shops do that?
[21:06] <pleia2> akgraner: I've only bought pins through cafepress (debian ones from some debian shop)
[21:07] <akgraner> pleia2, thanks - I'm working on a dang near impossible task but I might pull it off :-)
[21:34] <MrChrisDruif> jono; what did you do? ^_^
[21:34] <jono> MrChrisDruif, ?
[21:35] <MrChrisDruif> I just noticed your Jono @ Home Videocast...
[21:35] <MrChrisDruif> You (re)scheduled it to happen during the Lubuntu Team meeting?
[21:40] <jono> MrChrisDruif, sorry
[21:40] <jono> but I cant do my original time
[21:41] <MrChrisDruif> No, that was also double booked. I know ^_^
[21:41] <MrChrisDruif> Even before you changed it =P