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| smoser | slangasek, smb i'd appreciate your thoughts on my most recent comments in bug 898373 . | 02:21 |
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| ubottu | Launchpad bug 898373 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "fsck.ext3: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/xvda2" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/898373 | 02:21 |
| smoser | it seems that cloud-init actually could be causing the fsck race, but i'm not sure how to avoid it. | 02:21 |
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| MrBusiness | Does anyone happen to have a high-level guide to understand what a GNU/Linux "service" is, and the attendant concerns for someone needing to write one? | 04:43 |
| mfisch | MrBusiness: that's a pretty broad question, what are you trying to do? | 04:45 |
| MrBusiness | Well, let me see if I can put it into words | 04:45 |
| MrBusiness | I've been assigned to convert some manner of program into a service. I see that much of what constitutes a service appears to be a set of commonly accepted scripting interfaces, as outlined in /etc/init.d/skeleton, at least assuming I have not already erred in my understanding. | 04:46 |
| MrBusiness | Now, that said, I also notice that in order for these things to work, the services usually write their PID to a file upon launching so that the appropriate PID can be interacted with during later service calls to that process. | 04:47 |
| mfisch | MrBusiness: hold on | 04:47 |
| MrBusiness | Which gives me cause to wonder: if I wanted to variations on the same binary running as separate services, does this imply that I would need some sort of advanced logic with which to distinguish them and their respective PID identification files? | 04:47 |
| mfisch | MrBusiness: so if I were writing a new service, I would use upstart, not the old sysv stuff | 04:48 |
| mfisch | MrBusiness: look in /etc/init for examples, and here: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ | 04:48 |
| MrBusiness | Is upstart based on the same sort of thing that came out of RedHat, or is it specific to Ubuntu? | 04:48 |
| mfisch | MrBusiness: I do not know the origins, I do know that Ubuntu uses it | 04:49 |
| mfisch | MrBusiness: and so did webOS | 04:49 |
| geofft | If you're talking about old-style (init.d) services, you may be interested in start-stop-daemon, especially with --pidfile and --make-pidfile | 04:49 |
| MrBusiness | hmm, ok | 04:50 |
| MrBusiness | Well, that's helpful. At this point, I guess I need to figure out just what it is that I'll be interacting with. | 04:50 |
| mfisch | the last service I wrote watched a directory using inotify and responded to changes there | 04:50 |
| mfisch | there are dozens of ways to talk to your service of cours | 04:50 |
| MrBusiness | I see. That's somewhat less than reassuring, but so it goes. | 04:51 |
| geofft | upstart (Ubuntu), systemd (Red Hat), etc. are relatively similar at a high level -- you write a config file describing the service that init uses, instead of a shell script | 04:51 |
| geofft | and yes, the init.d style is just a shell script with conventions. | 04:51 |
| MrBusiness | Ah, ok. That's probably what I'm dealing with here then. | 04:52 |
| mfisch | MrBusiness: you said it's a program, so how do you communicate with it now? | 04:52 |
| MrBusiness | at the moment, the only methods of communicating with it are defining its startup parameters | 04:52 |
| MrBusiness | after that, it just sits around doing its business periodically | 04:53 |
| mfisch | MrBusiness: so it runs on a schedule? | 04:54 |
| MrBusiness | yes | 04:54 |
| RAOF | Does it perhaps then just want to be called periodically by cron, rather than being a daemon itself? | 04:54 |
| mfisch | RAOF: not a bad plan. | 04:55 |
| MrBusiness | No, because it was designed to run continuously. There are parts that run as cron jobs, but those parts are not being registered as services. | 04:55 |
| RAOF | Ok. | 04:55 |
| mfisch | MrBusiness: do you need to change those start-up parameters while the code is running now? | 04:56 |
| MrBusiness | Part of what these things do is watch directories, and I don't really have control over their requirements. I was told to make them into services, and so I am attempting, as best I can, to carry out that order, whether it ultimately comes to good or ill. | 04:56 |
| RAOF | MrBusiness: http://www.netzmafia.de/skripten/unix/linux-daemon-howto.html seems like a reasonable HOWTO for the nuts and bolts of converting something to a daemon. | 04:56 |
| MrBusiness | No, I don't need to change them. I just need to get them installed and running as proper services. | 04:56 |
| mfisch | MrBusiness: I wonder if all you need to do is make a simple upstart script and fire it up | 04:56 |
| RAOF | Yeah. If they're already daemonising properly you should just be able to write a very simple upstart script. | 04:57 |
| MrBusiness | Might be. I'm working from some legacy code to do this. I haven't quite described what is, in my view, the really onerous aspect of the thing, but it's difficult for me to describe it. | 04:57 |
| MrBusiness | Let me see if I can explain it | 04:57 |
| mfisch | MrBusiness: my last service was a python script that I wanted running when the system started | 04:57 |
| mfisch | MrBusiness: I just put command-line args inside the upstart job, you could use a conf file or gsettings to change params too | 04:58 |
| MrBusiness | One common thing I see in most services is that typically they tend to refer to a daemon process, of which there is typically only a single instance executing on a given system. | 04:58 |
| MrBusiness | I don't think that is a reasonable assumption for the processes I am attempting to convert into services. | 04:58 |
| MrBusiness | In fact, I am certain that there may be multiple instances of these processes, each running to perform similar tasks, but on different locations | 04:59 |
| MrBusiness | and that each must be considered its own service | 04:59 |
| mfisch | MrBusiness: so you have upstart fire-up either N jobs or have a wrapper that reads a conf file and fires up N instances | 05:00 |
| StevenK | So, this sounds more like a deployment problem, rather than related to Ubuntu development ... | 05:00 |
| mfisch | MrBusiness: you can put actual shell scripts into upstart so you could read a conf file in there | 05:00 |
| MrBusiness | Perhaps it is. Should I be in some kind of #deployment channel? | 05:00 |
| RAOF | MrBusiness: Perhaps rather than talking about terminology (service, process, etc) we start talking about *behaviour*. What do you need to change in their behaviour? Do you need the ability to monitor them with “status $SERVICENAME”? Do you need them to be started on boot? Do you need them to be restarted when they crash? | 05:00 |
| mfisch | MrBusiness: upstart will restart crashed services, which is nice | 05:01 |
| MrBusiness | let me think for a minute | 05:02 |
| RAOF | #upstart might be a better channel for this, indeed. | 05:02 |
| mfisch | MrBusiness: may I suggest that if you truly have N processes watching a bunch of directories that you write a wrapper (python would be easy) to do all the watching (started by upstart) and fire up your program based on what directory changed? | 05:03 |
| mfisch | RAOF: agreed. hopefully we gave him enough to consider | 05:03 |
| MrBusiness | mfisch, a nice idea, but unfortunately beyond my power to enact at this point | 05:05 |
| MrBusiness | I don't have sufficient control of the requirements. it sounds to me like I get to watch this thing blow up in my face. rather than spend anymore time on it, I think I'll just update my resume. | 05:05 |
| MrBusiness | Gotta know when to hold 'em, gotta know when to fold 'em. | 05:06 |
| RAOF | MrBusiness: I obviously don't have a good grasp of your requirements, but nothing so far sounds particularly difficult; drop by #upstart and I'm sure we can set you up with something. | 05:12 |
| MrBusiness | alrighty | 05:12 |
| MrBusiness | Only one thing about it though, is that I'm not even certain that I'll have upstart available to me. I may be rolling with the init.d methods, because that may be the only thing available on the target environment. | 05:13 |
| andersk | Depending on what you need, www.supervisord.org (‘supervisor’ package in Ubuntu) might be helpful. | 05:17 |
| pitti | Good morning | 06:05 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 07:46 |
| tjaalton | do packages that have not passed the NEW queue need a FFE if they are not accepted before FF? | 08:17 |
| pitti | tjaalton: no, usually we count the upload date | 08:21 |
| tjaalton | pitti: ok, good | 08:21 |
| pitti | NEW processing seems to be a bit on the slow side these days | 08:21 |
| tjaalton | no wonder, everyone trying to squeeze things through ;) | 08:21 |
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| dupondje | Who did the MoM pages again ? :) | 10:10 |
| dupondje | cjohnston: ? | 10:10 |
| dupondje | cjwatson :) | 10:10 |
| tumbleweed | dupondje: launchpad.net/merge-o-matic | 10:16 |
| dupondje | tumbleweed: https://merges.ubuntu.com/ is stuck it seems :) | 10:17 |
| dupondje | not updated since 10/02 | 10:17 |
| cjwatson | SpamapS: yes, MoM is crashing at the moment; thanks for noting that, I'll take a look | 10:18 |
| tumbleweed | dupondje: ^ there you go, then :) | 10:19 |
| dupondje | indeed ;) | 10:20 |
| * cjwatson was going through scrollback ... | 10:20 | |
| cjwatson | ValueError: process failed 2: dpkg-source -x gexiv2_0.3.1-1.dsc /srv/patches.ubuntu.com/unpacked/g/gexiv2/0.3.1-1 | 10:20 |
| cjwatson | I think I'll just nuke that - the .orig checksum in Debian's .dsc is wrong, but there's a subsequent version which unpacks properly | 10:22 |
| cjwatson | it was in experimental anyway | 10:22 |
| cjwatson | will need to wait until the current run has finished though | 10:23 |
| tumbleweed | dak accepted a .dsc with an incorrect checksum? | 10:23 |
| cjwatson | it's dated a while back | 10:24 |
| cjwatson | actually I think what happened is that it was correct at the time, but it was removed from experimental and then a new version was uploaded later with a different orig ... | 10:24 |
| tumbleweed | yeah, looks likely | 10:25 |
| cjwatson | which dak should have caught in principle but evidently hadn't retained the information | 10:25 |
| * cjwatson pokes DktrKranz with a spoon | 10:25 | |
| cjwatson | evil reusing of version numbers | 10:25 |
| DktrKranz | huh? | 10:28 |
| cjwatson | $ grep '^ .\{32\} .*orig' gexiv2_0.3.1-*.dsc | 10:31 |
| cjwatson | gexiv2_0.3.1-1.dsc: 50d15e0f84c799fccea9aa7c28fd971a 29525 gexiv2_0.3.1.orig.tar.gz | 10:31 |
| cjwatson | gexiv2_0.3.1-2.dsc: fc2a438af67af7c9f27bbe0c19b31c98 30155 gexiv2_0.3.1.orig.tar.gz | 10:31 |
| cjwatson | should've been 0.3.1+<something>, really (but too late now) | 10:32 |
| DktrKranz | hhm, right | 10:42 |
| cjwatson | so I now need to convince merges.ubuntu.com that it's never heard of 0.3.1-1 and that those aren't the droids it's looking for | 10:44 |
| dupondje | apt-get install alzheimer | 10:45 |
| dupondje | :) | 10:45 |
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| apw | does debootstrap honour http_proxy or is there a trick to it ? | 11:52 |
| cjwatson | it should just honour it | 11:53 |
| cjwatson | I mean it just calls out to wget | 11:53 |
| cjwatson | it doesn't have any specific proxy code | 11:53 |
| apw | cjwatson, ahh thanks, seems there is a sudo zapping those variables ... sigh | 11:56 |
| pitti | apw: set the proxy system-wide in control-center -> network -> proxy | 11:59 |
| pitti | that'll write it into /etc/environment instead of just your local session gsettings | 12:00 |
| cjwatson | Anyone with some C++/Qt clue fancy making packagesearch build? I've tried backporting the obvious patch (from http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=639076) from upstream svn but it still fails, and even after I fix up some silly missing-translation bits in upstream svn the current tip fails to build in different ways in both precise and unstable. | 12:06 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 639076 in src:packagesearch "packagesearch: FTBFS: keymaker.h:64:10: error: a template-id may not appear in a using-declaration" [Serious,Open] | 12:06 |
| cjwatson | I'm on the verge of just removing the binaries from the archive (since they're keeping old libept1 in place) but thought maybe some Qty person might care. | 12:06 |
| pitti | Riddell: do you know whether/how I can supply extra cmake build options (-DWITH_FFMPEG=OFF) in a standard dh7 debian/rules? | 12:30 |
| nebuchadnezzar | hello | 12:30 |
| nebuchadnezzar | anyone to answers some questions about iso generation? there is nobody on #ubuntu-iso :-/ | 12:31 |
| Riddell | pitti: you need to override dh_configure or whatever it is | 12:32 |
| pitti | /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/Buildsystem/cmake.pm doesn't say something obvious | 12:32 |
| Riddell | override_dh_auto_configure: dh_auto_configure -Skde -- -DCMAKE_USE_RELATIVE_PATHS=ON | 12:32 |
| Riddell | pitti: something like that? | 12:32 |
| pitti | Riddell: nice, thanks! trying that | 12:32 |
| i8x4 | Lost most my compiz key bindings with the latest upgrade; anyone else experience this? | 12:33 |
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| nebuchadnezzar | I would like to use more than one repository in addition to the ubuntu one when generating a CD | 12:39 |
| pitti | Riddell: worked like a charm | 12:39 |
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| Riddell | pitti: now you just need to persuade all the canonical and gnome developers to do the right thing and change to cmake :) | 12:45 |
| pitti | -ENOTENOUGHMAGIC :) | 12:46 |
| seb128 | Riddell, it's not friday, no trolling! ;-) | 12:49 |
| Eren | is there a repository for infinality font patches, or should I get the source and compile it with these patches? | 12:59 |
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| rbasak | I seem to have a package that FTBFS using fakeroot, but works under real root. I can pin down the cause further, but has anybody seen anything like this before? Any advice? | 13:58 |
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| cjwatson | rbasak: not unheard of; can you narrow that down a bit? | 14:04 |
| rbasak | I think it might be a build-dep that provides an executable that segfaults unless it's root. Testing that hypothesis now. | 14:10 |
| m4n1sh | ev: there? | 14:29 |
| ev | m4n1sh: hi | 14:29 |
| m4n1sh | hello Evan | 14:29 |
| ev | how's it going? | 14:30 |
| m4n1sh | I am trying to integrate diagnostics in alm | 14:30 |
| m4n1sh | the thing is that there are two files | 14:30 |
| m4n1sh | one is about panel intergation | 14:30 |
| m4n1sh | but also contains lots of Panel plumbing code | 14:30 |
| m4n1sh | ev: since you have written the code, if you can quickly tell me which all thing is g-c-c specific | 14:31 |
| m4n1sh | sot that I can quickly integrate it. Need to get this release out by tomorrow. | 14:31 |
| ev | m4n1sh: preferences-panel.c contains the g-c-c bits. whoopsie_daisy_preferences_panel_init is the entry point. | 14:32 |
| m4n1sh | okay | 14:32 |
| m4n1sh | checking | 14:33 |
| m4n1sh | ev: under canonical contributor agreement? | 14:34 |
| ev | m4n1sh: that's a good question. | 14:34 |
| m4n1sh | if that codebase is under whoopsie then I think it can apply | 14:34 |
| m4n1sh | but if I take it and keep it under acitivity-log-manager repo | 14:34 |
| m4n1sh | then it should not apply | 14:35 |
| m4n1sh | not a lawyer, but I guess that can be the case | 14:35 |
| ev | just checking | 14:36 |
| m4n1sh | okay | 14:36 |
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| ev | m4n1sh: I'm checking with the right authorities :). I wouldn't worry too much about getting it merged in today. The code already exists in the archive, and I think moving it from being its own page to being a GtkNotebook page is more of a UI freeze issue than a feature freeze one. | 14:49 |
| m4n1sh | yes | 14:50 |
| m4n1sh | even I think so | 14:50 |
| ev | Especially given that we may be blocked on this contributor agreement issue for a few days. | 14:50 |
| m4n1sh | can you confirm with the release team | 14:50 |
| m4n1sh | about whether it falls with UI freeze or feature freeze | 14:50 |
| m4n1sh | ev: even I feel it to be a UI freeze one, but if you can check out with anyone in release team, it would be great | 14:51 |
| ev | sure | 14:51 |
| m4n1sh | please update me once you have confirmed | 14:51 |
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| m4n1sh | ev: I have a feeling that FF applies to this because whoopsie is not enabled by default | 15:00 |
| ev | m4n1sh: whoopsie will be enabled just as soon as I finish making the changes requested in its security review | 15:00 |
| m4n1sh | it is in main? | 15:00 |
| m4n1sh | MIR done? | 15:00 |
| ev | m4n1sh: there's a MIR, which will be approved once the changes requested by the security team are made (I'm in the midst of that now) | 15:03 |
| m4n1sh | great | 15:03 |
| m4n1sh | excellent | 15:03 |
| ev | once that's done, I just need to seed it and it will be running by default | 15:03 |
| m4n1sh | :) | 15:03 |
| ev | m4n1sh: cjwatson (of the release team) suggests it is not a feature freeze matter. | 15:04 |
| ev | so by all means, release what you have :) | 15:04 |
| cjwatson | not this particular part of it. | 15:05 |
| m4n1sh | release yesterday itself | 15:05 |
| m4n1sh | Didier uploaded it | 15:05 |
| m4n1sh | I uploaded it yesterday since I was not sure if I could complete this one | 15:05 |
| m4n1sh | cjwatson: thanks for clarifying | 15:05 |
| akgraner | cjwatson, I just updated my notebook and got a libc6 error - now I have packages with umnet dependencies - Do I follow the running -f instructions or do I need to do something else? | 15:27 |
| cjwatson | akgraner: can I see the exact error messages | 15:29 |
| cjwatson | can't give advice without that | 15:29 |
| akgraner | cjwatson, sure one sec I'll get them to you - they are on a different machine than the one I am using for xchat. | 15:30 |
| arand | It looks as though someone on #ubuntu+1 has a similar issue?: "can anyone help me fix broken apt? E: Internal Error, No file name for libc6" | 15:34 |
| cjwatson | arand: well, once again, would need more details than that ... | 15:38 |
| cjwatson | release, architecture, whether multiarch is enabled, full transcript of upgrade attempt, ... | 15:38 |
| akgraner | cjwatson, dropped it to you in a pm along with what I did when and the point at which I was advised to contact you. | 15:40 |
| arand | cjwatson: "I'm on P, amd64, with multiarch" which is the upgrade log file to look for? | 15:41 |
| arand | cjwatson: "term.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/841833/" | 15:42 |
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| cjwatson | arand: bizarre. 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' might help | 15:52 |
| cjwatson | Having trouble seeing why apt got the ordering wrong in the first instance there. | 15:52 |
| * cjwatson notes that there is nearly a day's gap between the first error there and the attempt that apparently led to this report | 15:52 | |
| lamalex | cjwatson, yah definitely | 15:53 |
| lamalex | too busy to deal with apt most of the time | 15:53 |
| lamalex | so usually i just leave it broken until i need to fix it :P | 15:54 |
| lamalex | cjwatson, hey that seems to have fixed it | 15:58 |
| lamalex | that + apt-get -f install | 15:59 |
| cjwatson | ok | 15:59 |
| lamalex | thank you | 15:59 |
| cjwatson | sadly hard to work back to the cause at this point | 15:59 |
| cjwatson | next time, assuming you were using update-manager, 'ubuntu-bug update-manager' should attach a state tarball to the bug that would be enough to let us reconstruct the initial state | 16:00 |
| lamalex | nice | 16:00 |
| lamalex | thanks | 16:00 |
| scott-work | does anyone have a suggestion for a particular person who might be a good candidate to review the lowlatency kernel in REVU (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/linux-lowlatency)? | 16:19 |
| scott-work | luke y has already advocated it, so we just need one more person | 16:19 |
| tumbleweed | can I have some list-moderation on ubuntu-devel-announce please? | 16:21 |
| cjwatson | tumbleweed: done | 16:25 |
| tumbleweed | thanks | 16:26 |
| dupondje | cjwatson: MoM is still broken? | 16:27 |
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| cjwatson | dupondje: it's running | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | took a while because it had been down for a while | 16:32 |
| dupondje | cool :) | 16:33 |
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| dupondje | mm cjwatson I note some errors in the MoM pages | 17:05 |
| dupondje | python-drizzle for example gives 1.0-2ubuntu1 as current version | 17:05 |
| dupondje | while 1.0-3 got uploaded weeks ago | 17:05 |
| dupondje | same for samba4 | 17:05 |
| didrocks | apw: hey, around? | 17:21 |
| apw | didrocks, hi | 17:22 |
| jhunt | cjwatson: Hi - could I trouble you to bump the priority on the 2 | 17:22 |
| jhunt | builds here: https://launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/+archive/upstart-testing ? | 17:22 |
| didrocks | apw: I'm wonering if you know of any kernel issues which can be stated as "after a period of lot of writing on disk (even swapping maybe), the CPU usage is going crazy" | 17:23 |
| cjwatson | jhunt: I don't see any builds there right now? | 17:23 |
| apw | didrocks, is that continious writing? | 17:23 |
| didrocks | apw: no, the writting ended | 17:23 |
| didrocks | but yeah, I has some continious one | 17:23 |
| didrocks | right now, my CPU usage is between 60% and 80% on my 2 cores, and if I look at htop, the sum of what is >1% should be at 20% max | 17:24 |
| jhunt | cjwatson: sorry - wrong ppa. should be https://launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/+archive/upstart-job-logging | 17:24 |
| didrocks | seems everytime I swapped, I get this | 17:24 |
| apw | didrocks, the only diskio and cpu usage issue i have heard of is a possible issue xfs when the cache gets full | 17:24 |
| apw | didrocks, otherwise no i am not seeing the same herre on anything | 17:24 |
| didrocks | seems that seb128 got something similar somethimes | 17:24 |
| cjwatson | jhunt: done | 17:25 |
| didrocks | apw: I have such a behavior once a day at least, which forces me to reboot, anyway I can ensre that the CPU usage comes from some kernel threads? | 17:25 |
| jhunt | cjwatson: thanks! | 17:25 |
| apw | didrocks, get the machine up to date, and if it is reproducible lets get a bug filed please with a good description of your reproduce by | 17:25 |
| apw | didrocks, and include w | 17:25 |
| stgraber | jhunt: I like that changelog! | 17:25 |
| apw | didrocks, and include a ps -ef with the bad processes listed please | 17:25 |
| didrocks | apw: well, I'm up to date and getting that for now some weeks :) | 17:26 |
| apw | didrocks, yep and we had a pile of stable updates in the last kernel which was just the last day or two, so i want to make sure its not already fixed by that | 17:27 |
| NoaHall | Any Jockey devs in here? | 17:27 |
| didrocks | apw: ok, let me check I have the latest and greatest | 17:27 |
| slangasek | smoser: ah; this cloud script that's looking inside disks certainly fits the bill | 17:46 |
| pitti | apw, ogasawara: I binNEWed the new kernel, finally built on armel; can you please upload -meta? | 17:47 |
| ogasawara | pitti: yep, will upload right now | 17:47 |
| pitti | ogasawara: cheers! | 17:47 |
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| stgraber | slangasek: hey, I seem to remember you knowing a bit about lvm2 and udev ;) I upgraded two of my servers to Precise and noticed a "sh -c /sbin/lvm vgscan; /sbin/lvm vgchange -a y" and it's child "vgchange -a -y" apparently spawned by udev but never exitting as expected. It's not causing any problem on these machines though but looked weird. | 17:55 |
| stgraber | slangasek: a very quick LP search gave me bug 802626 as a potential candidate for that weirdness | 17:55 |
| slangasek | stgraber: yes, the bug is still outstanding; there's a proposed fix from hallyn that I haven't managed to find time to review yet | 17:56 |
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| hallyn | stgraber: yeah, that one's annoying isn't it :) | 18:04 |
| stgraber | hallyn: well, in my case it's only annoying when running "ps aux" on my all new server ;) it doesn't actually prevent anything from starting or cause any other issue that I could see | 18:05 |
| hallyn | interesting | 18:05 |
| stgraber | I have 3 PVs and 3 VGs on that machine, 1 of them is on RAID1 and contains the root LV, the two others are currently empty (no LV at all) | 18:06 |
| stgraber | my other server has hardware RAID (HP) but also has 3 PVs (3 RAID volumes) and 3 VGs, though in this case, they all have LVs and are all used | 18:08 |
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| micahg | barry: in case you haven't seen, sphinx has a bug fix in unstable as well as needs and MIR (or something done) for python-whoosh | 18:35 |
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| m_3 | akgraner: ping | 18:43 |
| akgraner | m_3 pong | 18:43 |
| beuno | barry, congrats! | 18:46 |
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| broder | barry: congrats on the dmb election! | 18:52 |
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| sladen | %rfs | 18:56 |
| barry | broder: thanks! | 19:05 |
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| apw | who owns nm-applet, the below cannot be right | 19:53 |
| apw | 2942 apw 20 0 6815m 1.7g 3080 S 2 43.3 21:56.80 nm-applet | 19:53 |
| micahg | bug /930491 | 19:55 |
| micahg | bug 930491 | 19:55 |
| micahg | ah, bot is awol | 19:55 |
| seb128 | apw, cyphermox | 19:57 |
| seb128 | though I guess he could try to blame it on indicators,dx | 19:57 |
| cyphermox | apw: I'm aware of it, trying to track it down | 19:59 |
| ScottK | barry: Is it you or doko that's supposed to do the lucid update for dh_python2? | 20:13 |
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| barry | ScottK: doko | 20:23 |
| ScottK | Sigh. doko: Can we get this done? It's really causing problems. | 20:24 |
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| slangasek | smoser: would you by chance be willing to test the latest ppa upstart build, to confirm that the logging support works as intended in the various cloud configurations? https://launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/+archive/upstart-job-logging | 20:54 |
| smoser | slangasek, i can look tomorrow. is there a doc on what i'm supposed to see ? is it writing to /var/log/upstart.log ? | 21:00 |
| YokoZar | slangasek: is migrating packages to multiarch something that requires a feature freeze exception or is it just a normal bug? | 21:00 |
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| slangasek | YokoZar: FFe | 21:16 |
| slangasek | smoser: /var/log/upstart/, one logfile per job that outputs | 21:16 |
| slangasek | smoser: http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/02/call-for-testing-upstart-14.html | 21:16 |
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| kklimonda | hey, I need a place to host a small file for transmission SRU - so called blocklist (a list of ip ranges that BT client does not allow connecting to and rejects connections from) | 21:35 |
| broder | kklimonda: what does modern transmission use if the project isn't hosting the file anymore? | 21:36 |
| broder | (and can the sru switch to doing that instead) | 21:36 |
| kklimonda | broder: they have changed UI providing a way to set custom url instead | 21:37 |
| apw | cyphermox, may also explain didrocks symptoms | 21:37 |
| broder | kklimonda: is there a default? | 21:37 |
| kklimonda | broder: no, it's set to example.com | 21:37 |
| kklimonda | or something like that | 21:37 |
| apw | cyphermox, mine is growing slowly but surely too: | 21:37 |
| apw | 2942 apw 20 0 7165m 1.7g 3116 S 2 45.6 23:09.04 nm-applet | 21:37 |
| broder | kklimonda: it sounds like it's not actually mandatory anymore. can we just disable the blocklist? | 21:37 |
| kklimonda | broder: but blocklists just don't work in 10.04 | 21:38 |
| kklimonda | broder: there is no "initial" list so there is no way to use this feature anymore :) | 21:38 |
| kklimonda | (it has never been mandatory, but it's a very popular feature of BT clients and we got some reports of it not working) | 21:39 |
| broder | i see | 21:39 |
| infinity | kklimonda: I'm not sure why we'd need to host a file? There doesn't need to be a default blocklist (and, in fact, there isn't...) | 21:40 |
| kklimonda | infinity: but in 10.04 there is no way to change the blocklist url | 21:41 |
| kklimonda | infinity: it's hardcoded to http://update.transmissionbt.com/level1 in code, and the url is gone :) | 21:41 |
| infinity | kklimonda: Which is unfortunate, but "oh well"? | 21:41 |
| infinity | kklimonda: If you know what was in that file, you could just ship a copy with the package on-disk, and point to that. | 21:42 |
| kklimonda | infinity: hmm, that may work | 21:42 |
| infinity | kklimonda: But, really, there will be a new LTS in a couple of months, and it seems remarkably unlikely that the intersection of "people who torrent", "people who care about blocklists" and "people who run old releases" is very large. | 21:42 |
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| kklimonda | infinity: yeah, it's still a bug though and us not fixing it for package in main sucks a little | 21:47 |
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| YokoZar | slangasek: cjwatson: I just read https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libidl/+bug/931388 and it's worrying me because I used depends: wine1.4:any in the new wine1.4 packages as part of multiarching. Will I need to do the dummy-package-with arch:all workaround? | 22:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 931388 in libidl (Ubuntu) "overenthusiastic adoption of "Depends: cpp:any" syntax" [High,Triaged] | 22:41 |
| YokoZar | (relatedly, wine1.4 is still half in the queue because wine1.2 and wine1.3 aren't yet deleted from the archive) | 22:42 |
| slangasek | YokoZar: I don't know what workaround you're proposing, but you aren't meant to be using :any yet in depends | 22:42 |
| YokoZar | slangasek: the workaround is at the bottom of this page: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=641614 | 22:42 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 641614 in libidl "please convert to multiarch" [Normal,Open] | 22:42 |
| slangasek | YokoZar: ah; ugly, but yes, that would do it | 22:44 |
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| cjwatson | YokoZar,slangasek: as I said in the Debian bug, I haven't tested that workaround yet, and it's mostly instinct | 23:09 |
| cjwatson | YokoZar,slangasek: if that approach works, I think it might be worth documenting in MultiarchSpec for the time being; I forgot this problem myself when talking to TREllis about the libidl implementation | 23:10 |
| slangasek | yeah, I've only eyeballed it; I don't see any reason it wouldn't work | 23:10 |
| YokoZar | cjwatson: is the wine upgrade case different from the libidl case as wine already requires a new packagename? | 23:10 |
| cjwatson | YokoZar: that doesn't make any difference | 23:11 |
| YokoZar | cjwatson: slangasek: regardless, I'll have to test it anyway. | 23:11 |
| cjwatson | YokoZar: it's still entirely possible that lucid's apt will be called upon to parse it | 23:11 |
| cjwatson | or for that matter germinate | 23:11 |
| YokoZar | cjwatson: Are you implying Wine will be pulled in by germinate :D | 23:15 |
| cjwatson | I think it is dangerous to take approaches that are known to fail | 23:15 |
| hallyn | d'oh! for the life of me i can't figure out why sometimes bzr seems bound when it shouldn't be | 23:26 |
| hallyn | (oh well, that forced me to not pussyfoot around for another month fearing to commit :) | 23:29 |
| superm1 | TheMuso`: is the current plan alsa 1.0.25 for precise or sticking with 1.0.24? wasn't really clear to me from blueprints | 23:37 |
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