[06:05] [Jono Bacon] Canonical Community Team Weekly Meetings - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/14/canonical-community-team-weekly-meetings/ [07:05] [Jono Bacon] Music Of Ubuntu - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/14/music-of-ubuntu/ [08:00] Morning all [08:39] aloha [08:39] o/ [08:51] Morning all [08:55] TheOpenSourcerer: did you want to come to the london irish game? [08:56] czajkowski: When is it old bean? [08:56] TheOpenSourcerer: 26th feb [08:57] Hmm, what time czajkowski? I will need to ask permission from the trouser wearer. [08:58] TheOpenSourcerer: dont have tickets near me, poke danfish or AlanBell they're going also [08:58] hehe [08:58] mornign [08:58] I think it will be rather tight if I'm honest... If it the typical 2pm ish. [08:58] 13:15 [08:59] Yeah - I think that will cause more grief than I am prepared to take. Especially seeing as we have a Saracens/Quins game to go to at Wembley in March. [08:59] Thanks all the sa,e. [08:59] \same [09:00] np [09:00] christel: wana come ? [09:00] i would love to, but it's david's second birthday [09:00] so i had better do the mummy thing! [09:00] and bring David [09:01] hehe he'd run off and join in! [09:01] he starts rugby tots on the 25th \o/ [09:01] Hallo! [09:01] hello matthew :) === himcesjf|py is now known as himcesjf [09:02] christel: how do I ignore nick changes on a channel /ignore #channel whatdoidotostopseeingnickchanges [09:13] czajkowski: I think for irssi its "/ignore #channel NICKS" (if that helps) [09:15] Poor Nick [09:15] Heh, shame [09:18] With you saying "Nick", it got me wondering what happened to Nick Butler who used to be in the channel a lot when I originally joined [09:34] Good morning and happy Valentine's Day, everyone! :D === AlanBell changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | Meeting 2nd February 21:00 UK time #ubuntu-uk-meeting | ♥ ♥ ♥ [09:38] good morning everyone [09:40] good morning! [09:40] morning BigRedS [09:41] ok, suggestions, eeepc wont start when power pressed, reset bios, power light lit. [09:52] django's test suite takes an age to run :( [09:52] * daubers needs a better disk in his desktop [09:55] brobostigon: unplug battery, unplug mains, leave it 30 seconds, put mains in and try again [09:56] morning all [09:56] czajkowski: PROD!!!!!! [09:56] popey: ok, let try, [09:56] davmor2: HELLO! [09:56] popey: whats the name of the remote access stuff you did at orlando ? [09:58] trublr [09:58] not finished ☺ [09:58] czajkowski: now come on play nice you're in my town tomorrow [09:58] popey: ah ok was being asked elsewhere [09:58] davmor2: I am always nice [09:58] ☺ [09:59] czajkowski: my tickets haven't arrived yet :( [09:59] czajkowski: by the way food wise at the lighthouse, burger, curry special, or the pasta special are good bets apparently :) [10:00] danfish: oh noes [10:00] danfish: drop em an email ? [10:00] davmor2, whens the next lighthouse thingy? [10:01] * brobostigon orders popey beer for his lunch at his local, and thanks him [10:01] gord: thursday the 23rdish [10:01] cool, we should do a shared calender or something [10:03] gord: there is now a twitter feed that mrevell setup [10:06] If anybody is looking for _Cheap_ broadband, maybe this is of interest http://www.reghardware.com/2012/02/14/tesco_offers_low_cost_broadband_to_clubcard_holders/ Looks like its up to 20Mb [10:09] popey: any idea why it did that? [10:10] DJones: doesn't sound too bad, although I imagine I'll need a higher download limit now Netflix does HD streaming. [10:11] ~AU$22/mo is a great deal for 100gb [10:12] brobostigon: no [10:12] brobostigon: mine does it now and then [10:12] popey: ok, thank you. :) [10:12] dwatkins: Its tempting, although I think I'll stick with Sky broadband now I've got Anytime plus set up, my wife is downloading & watching everything under the sun [10:13] DJones: interesting, I'm stuck with BT another couple months, but will then be in the market for a provider [10:13] * popey hugs virgin [10:14] popey: oh why now [10:14] er [10:14] that could have been taken wrongly ⍨ [10:14] I mean Virgin Media of course [10:14] ☺ [10:14] Especially on valentines days [10:14] * brobostigon also wants the stability of cable again, but cant, no cable round here. [10:14] I used to have Virgin Media as my ISP, was very happy with the connection - when it worked, it was fine (which was 99.9% of the time) [10:15] brobostigon: Virgin do internet over telephone lines too, I gather, in areas they don't reach [10:15] i used to be with telewest while i was at college. [10:15] Cables not an option for us, Sky worked out cheaper as an existing customer, works well with Anytime plus and no download/fair use policy keeps the Mrs happy [10:15] didn't VM buy Telewest? [10:16] dwatkins: yes, i have read that, presumably still dsl of some kind? [10:16] dwatkins: yeap [10:16] brobostigon: yes, but I gather you're still using their network from the exchange outwards [10:16] dwatkins: virgin is basically ntl and telewest [10:16] dwatkins: ah, i see, interesting. [10:16] yeah, my brother used to work for them when they were NTL [10:23] Bah, some customers need a slap [10:25] So say we all [10:25] ^5 [10:26] Hello. [10:26] ok, this is odd...A hotel we deal with is offering a "Romantic dinner for people on honeymoon for three people"..... [10:27] takes all sorts [10:27] Polyamory? [10:28] a tryst :) [10:31] child unit [10:31] AlanBell: I've now got a wierd image of http://bit.ly/AmO6wz as the 3rd "allsort" [11:30] anyone want to help a 12.04 upgrade questions and asnwers person https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/187642 [11:34] czajkowski: I've no idea on the question, but is "sudo apt-get install upgrade" a real command, to my mind, wouldn't that just try to install a package called "upgrade" [11:36] czajkowski: done [11:40] popey: thanks [11:41] boggling why they're using launchpad answers [11:43] didn't launchpad answers get decommissioned? [11:43] i mean obviously not, but i thought i read that [11:44] popey: well they filed it against LP so changed that to ubuntu [11:46] popey: I can tell you. It'll be the same reason that SSO gets Hundreds of questions like, why won't the pc game I bought work. Because there is a button that say "any questions click here" so they do and they ask their question and it has nothing to do with that project [11:51] hrm, getting mafia wars spam from people on g+ =\ least you can mute all game notifications [11:59] gord: I must remember to look at g+ at some point :D [12:23] hello all === imexil1 is now known as imexil === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [12:26] !ping [12:30] AlanBell: thanks for the headsup on #hetzner - some of the tweets relating to their outage seem quite cryptic - do they host some dodgy stuff? [12:30] well they host lots of stuff [12:31] our stuff isn't particularly dodgy :) [12:33] AlanBell: you host LOLCatz? that isn't very doggy [12:34] no, just lolchickens. Still not doggy [12:37] * davmor2 prods czajkowski on behalf of MooDoo who seems to be failing too [12:40] * MooDoo is smitten by czajkowski so will not prod no matter what davmor2 says/does :p [12:41] yep [12:41] woops wrong channel [12:42] hey MooDoo 'ow am ya mukka [12:45] davmor2: not bad thanks [12:54] MooDoo: good good :) [12:56] davmor2: what about you? long time no speak [12:58] MooDoo: I'm good ta busy as hell at the minute [12:59] davmor2: you work? are you sure? [13:01] MooDoo: Haha [13:01] ;) [13:08] * dwatkins is surprised to discover the stats show linux desktops as being at under 2% of the OS market [13:12] why? [13:18] a lot of linux people are forced to use windows at work [13:19] the stats are usually gleaned from web site hits [13:32] then it would still only be 4% [13:32] the desktop is kinda dead anyway [13:32] time to prepare for the next battle ;) [13:32] no no no [13:33] if that's your plan you already lost [13:33] see: windows phone 7 [13:33] blackberry, and the other one [13:33] Palm? ☺ [13:33] weebos [13:34] the "next" battle has already been won by linux and BSD [13:34] everyone else got destroyed [13:35] I think it has only just started [13:35] :/ [13:38] python applications really do crash a lot, wish people wouldn't write apps in python =\ [13:38] Android 4, iOS, Windows 8, and maybe small ones [13:38] Ubuntu ☺ [13:38] I am hoping Ubuntu with unity can be there [13:38] :) [13:38] * popey imagines apport on a phone [13:38] gord, you think c apps don't crash? [13:39] * hamitron sends gord some of his early attempts, for education [13:39] popey: i'm sure i've seen a crash reported or android [13:39] popey: or ONE of these phone [13:39] maybe i imagined it [13:39] directhex, course they do, but pythons exception structure leads to un-necessary crashes more often - if python didn't exit on an uncaught exception it would make for a much more stable experience [13:40] lots of python software doesn't exit on uncaught exceptions. like openshot [13:40] it just fills your entire memory with garbage instead :) [13:40] yeah, well made python apps wil catch all the exceptions, but all it takes even then is a library upgrade that creates a new exception [13:40] ali1234: the next battle is the same as the old battle. after MS got bashed for the anti competitive activity, it all seems forgotten as we move to mobile devices with secure boot and app tie-in [13:41] at least an exception is relatively easy to debug, compared with a segfault [13:41] oimon_, I don't feel MS are the front runner atm.... they are kinda arriving late :/ [13:42] yep, wp7 is pretty far behind [13:42] android in the new windows [13:42] wp7 doesn't matter [13:42] windows 8 matters more [13:42] when microsoft took over the desktop market they did it by being open (in comparison with the competition) [13:42] now google does the same [13:42] but they will turn, they always do [13:43] when the founders start to take a back seat [13:43] well, yeah, when they make as much as they can being open, they notice they can make more by also stopping people leaving [13:43] I actually trust MS more than Google tbh [13:43] hamitron: true, apple are the lock-in kings. but mobile space is proving a bit locked down , and windows on ARM just as much so [13:44] inevitably, every business gets to the point where money is more important than anything else, sometimes they wait long enough for the founders to leave or die, other times it's a founding principle. Normally it's somwhere in-between [13:44] tbh, lock in is a good thing in some ways [13:44] it can be [13:44] as long is you like what you're locked into [13:45] yeh, it also avoids confusion for newbs [13:45] and the walled garden that accompanies it these days (like iPhones) similarly has advantages [13:45] I've long since stopped arguing that it's bad, just that it's what i don't want [13:45] yeh [13:46] I think it would be kinda cool to have the OS on a read only chip [13:46] :) [13:46] s40! [13:46] locked, but then have it so you can buy kits to flash your own [13:47] thats basically every windows mobile device up to abut 2005 [13:47] then hdd are purely for user settings and data [13:47] well, I'm thinking beyond phones and desktop PC [13:47] :) [13:47] ali1234: yeah, but I think he means with a reasonable OS [13:48] yeh, with some choice [13:48] :) [13:48] splashtop ☺ [13:49] splashtop is rarely in a dedicated memory device [13:49] usually it's in a hidden partition on the first drive [13:49] ah [13:49] sometimes it's in a usb flash drive soldered directly on the motherboard [13:50] but only on premium motherboards [13:51] take the r-pi, make the SD card read only and swap-able, and add some form of storage for user data [13:51] and make that into a proper device [13:51] i like the idea of an overlay OS like the ASUS EEE 701/900 had [13:51] that's extremely easy [13:51] can i buy raspberry-pi's yet? [13:51] so you can reset to factory defaults with one press [13:51] no [13:52] 20th feb apparently gord [13:52] no, they complete on the 20th [13:52] bet it will be near impossible to get one [13:52] but i want like five of them :( [13:52] they're limited to one each iirc [13:52] so 18 months? [13:52] for the first round [13:52] bah! [13:52] ;) [13:53] if there is demand, I'll cut mine into slices and sell for charity :) [13:53] * BigRedS isn't plannign to even try before about august [13:53] i do like the idea of an xbmc on one [13:53] but it isn't really a proper device [13:53] I like the idea of it as a home server [13:53] yeah i basically just want to replace my revos [13:54] what I said above, I'd love to be a "standard" [13:54] and something to have ssh sat on tcp/443 on [13:54] I'm torn between getting some fpga or the r-pi [13:54] :/ [13:55] if they are small enough, could attach a small webcam to it, attach entire device to cat. [13:55] catcam! [13:55] attach cat sized glasses with small transparent display in it, to cat, give cat minority report vision [13:56] robocat! [13:56] trombone cat? [13:56] *parp* [13:57] nokia n900 is tempting too [13:57] :/ [13:58] * daubers has an n900 on his desk [13:58] It's crap :) [13:58] why is it? :| [13:58] resistive touchscreen mainly [13:58] Just doing simple things on it is such a pain [13:59] makes everything horrible to use [13:59] and the OS is nightmare [13:59] the email client is a mess [13:59] the package manager takes longer and longer to start up [13:59] doesn't do MMS OtB [13:59] well, I only want one to change the OS and play with [13:59] last time i tried to use it, it took about 15 minutes to load [13:59] doesn't talk to my car kit properly [13:59] the notifications are terrible [14:00] if you hate it so much, donate it to me? ;) [14:00] or curse me with it! [14:00] :D [14:00] hamitron: Not mine, company phone [14:00] mine is technically property of nokia [14:00] doubt they want it back though [14:02] last phone I used was nokia ngage [14:02] so it should be slightly better than that I hope [14:02] :) [14:07] friend of mine has an n900 - proper geek - he loves it [14:08] I've played with one, I want one [14:08] don't need one [14:08] popey: is that the meego one? [14:09] hardest thing, is finding one I know is in good condition [14:09] and not a fake [14:09] :/ [14:11] I'm clearling sharing an office with a masohist [14:11] he's just installed suse on btrfs with an encrypted /home on his old eeepc. And set the keymap to dvorak [14:11] I can't think of anything that's right about that computer now. [14:12] :D [14:14] still gonna be easier to type on than davmor2's computer [14:15] gord: how bad could it be ? [14:15] gord: there is nothing wrong with my laptop keyboard layout [14:15] gord: you just have to get used to it [14:16] czajkowski, *every* *key* is shifted one key to the right [14:16] why ? [14:17] my guess, so no one will steal it [14:18] cd where do the keys at the right hand end go? pac-man physics? [14:18] czajkowski: all the multimedia keys are down the sides, calculator, print, www, dvd, email are all under esc, other side has right arrow, end, pg down, pg up, home etc [14:20] hamitron: If I can convince work to get me a galaxy nexus, I'll try and get you the n900 [14:21] daubers, wicked :) [14:22] czajkowski: http://img1.lesnumeriques.com/produits/23/9545/HP_G62_Keyboard.jpg [14:23] thats's confusing [14:24] I struggle to hit the right keys on a "normal" keyboard :/ [14:25] it is slides slightly to the side, I'm off balance and everything breaks :) [14:30] oh, so it's not a keymapping thing, just an idiot designed the hardware? [14:34] is tomboy the only thing we use in ubuntu that uses mono now? [14:34] did banshee stop being default? [14:34] yuup [14:35] whooooo [14:36] gord: tom boy is removed here [14:36] cool, can remove mono then [14:36] making my upgrades take longer than i would like [14:37] I think I read something the other day about mono being removed in 12.04 after all mono based app's had been replaced [14:37] when they gonna switch to apt-get using deltas instead of full files? [14:37] iruno, seems like a lot of work for not much pay off [14:37] installing takes way longer than downloading here [14:37] gord: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/banshee-tomboy-and-mono-dropped-from-ubuntu-12-04-cd/ [14:38] From default install anyway [14:38] yeah, first I'd like the ability to install while downloading === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [14:48] Unknown perpetrators infiltrated a backdoor into several installation packages during an attack on groupware provider Horde's FTP server. Horde 3.3.12, Groupware 1.2.10 and the webmail edition of the groupware product are all affected [14:48] nasty [14:48] undetected for several months [14:52] ooh that isn't good [14:57] gord: you have ssd in your x220? [14:57] So. If someone's machien has had ALSA stuff overwritten, and we want to reinstall it all from packages, is it something like apt-get install --reinstall linux-sound-base^ ? [14:58] thinking about switching my 320GB rust for 115 GB SSD [14:58] popey, not yet, but yeah thinking the same thing [14:58] i have a spare one on my desk [14:58] don't need windows on the laptop anymore, might as well get a 100gb or so ssd for it [14:58] having to clear stuff to make space [14:58] * mgdm has vague memories of the ^ from something popey said before [14:59] mgdm: the ^ is only used for tasks [14:59] e.g. ubuntu-desktop is a task [14:59] ah [15:00] whats the biggest no-stupid price ssd you can get these days? ☺ [15:00] http://www.ebuyer.com/278645-ocz-240gb-agility-3-2-5-sata-iii-ssd-read-525mb-s-write-500mb-s-agt3-25sat3-240g [15:00] golly [15:02] popey: this is what I bought to put in my laptop for when 12.04 is useable (for me) http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004Z0S6SO [15:02] oh golly, x220 has sataIII 6Gb/s [15:03] I have a 60gb OCZ 2 in my workstation and very happy with it [15:03] with 120GB I'd keep running out of space which would annoy me [15:03] that's the problem i have now :( [15:03] my desktop has small ssd for / and bug rust for /home [15:03] thinking about switching my 320GB rust for 115 GB SSD [15:03] That's why I pointed at the 120gb [15:03] * bigcalm shrugs [15:04] heh [15:04] my nxt pc will have rust [15:04] except with a baby to pay for, new pc will be in 2167 [15:05] when is directhex 2.0 due? [15:05] julyish [15:05] oh thats good [15:05] wont have to be preggers during the "hot" august summer [15:05] wifey was great with child with both of ours during hot summers and didnt enjoy that bit [15:06] we have a large portable air conditioner [15:06] technically for the chinchillas, but... [15:06] 12000btu counts for something [15:07] oh golly http://www.ebuyer.com/260707-ocz-240gb-vertex-3-ssd-2-5-sata-iii-6gb-s-read-550mb-s-write-520mb-s-vtx3-25sat3-240g [15:07] yeah, i bought a portable air con when wifey was pregnant [15:10] i wish i had an ssd :( [15:10] and a pony :( [15:10] I can do you a pony [15:11] i'm trying to install a new baby at the moment...well not RIGHT now... [15:28] what's wrong with this pic? http://ubuntuone.com/1YQBVTdJOh04MXamp4uzks [15:28] Your choice of OS [15:29] It's slightly under exposed [15:30] what is the > arrow on the far right? [15:30] I assume it's a way of scrolling though the system tray icons as there are too many [15:30] haha [15:31] Sorry, notification area [15:31] oimon_: I think it's trying to tell you that yuor wireless is disconnected :) [15:32] daubers: however, it's connected :D [15:32] it occasionally makes "doink" noises too [15:39] oimon_: your using windows? [15:39] it's the shared laptop we use to try and open docs sent by HR that never open in openoffice [15:46] it's the rule in HR that all documents must have been initially created in 2001 and then revised 100 times, even simple forms. === dwatkins_ is now known as dwatkins [16:16] hmm, i have a server i upgraded from 10.04 to 12.04 and have installed ubuntu-desktop to do some testing (it has an ATI card) [16:16] I can logon from logon screen as guest but not as me [16:16] it just throws me back to the logon screen [16:16] logs I could look at? [16:17] popey: That sounds like czajkowski's launchpad bug you were helping with this morning (wasn't that a similar problem about not being able to logon) [16:17] she was missing bits iirc [16:18] I have everything installed [16:20] .xsession-errors? [16:20] my unity desktop is taking >30 seconds to login atm :-\ [16:20] on a core2duo [16:21] there is no .xsession-errors [16:21] sorry for dumb question ...do you have full write access to your home dir? [16:21] or disk full? [16:22] quotas? [16:22] yup, nope [16:22] my gnome classic session is showing unity launcher..thats not supposed to happen... [16:22] oooo [16:22] fun things in /var/log/auth.log [16:23] http://paste.ubuntu.com/841887/ [16:25] lightdm got updated today... [16:27] sudo usermod -a -G nopasswdlogin alan [16:28] popey: ^^ [16:28] not sure I want to do that [16:35] popey: i also noticed https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+question/175468 [16:37] good call oimon_ ! [16:38] that did it [16:38] booooo unity2d [16:39] * popey activates evil drivers [16:41] popey: which answer did it? [16:42] * oimon_ sends wifey an email asking for the adonit jot stylus for his birthday [16:45] \o/ evil drivers [16:45] everyone can complain about non free software all they like, i wub my nvidia binary drivers [16:46] gord: remember in the early ubuntu days when a kernel update would break your box? [16:46] that still happens, libc change broken nvidia last week [16:46] broke* [16:46] eww [16:47] oh, google has started to spam me with popups telling me to install chrome when i go to google.com [16:47] makes me not want to use chrome [16:48] oimon_: removing Xauthority [17:05] [Gareth France] Warning! Shameless plug enclosed. - http://cliftonts.co.uk/cubuntu/?p=88 === matti_ is now known as matti === mh0- is now known as mh0 [19:45] gord_: popey what do you use for voip on ubuntu? [19:46] czajkowski: empathy with sofia-sip [19:46] empathy :/ [19:46] noo [19:47] hmm I thught if you searched for something and it wasn't installed it still showed up [19:49] czajkowski: I don't. i have a proper phone [19:49] cisco 7940 on my desk [19:50] czajkowski, proper voip? i don't, can't get it to work === gord_ is now known as gord [19:51] czajkowski: empathy with sofia-sip honest it just works, by the way for things to show up you need to type it in, in the applications screen not any ;) [19:52] davmor2: ahh [19:52] that's a bit naff [19:52] prefered it the other way [19:52] but thanks [19:52] popey: cheers [19:53] czajkowski: only annoying thing is you need to click a few buttons to get things like the dial pad to show [19:53] czajkowski: also if you have android 2.3 or newer, there's a built-in SIP client in your phone [19:54] right, time for FOOD [19:56] wait when did pancro join here [20:37] hmm [20:45] popey, joystick calibration? [20:46]