[00:09] <nhaines> It's very windy outside, but not raining at all.
[00:17] <philipballew> its even raining in san diego
[00:34] <erichammond> Whenever it rains in LA, the news media makes a big deal out of it (StormWatch 2011) and I get a call from my mother in law asking if we are ok.
[00:35] <akk> heh
[00:35] <Faqtotum> it should rain there more often
[00:36] <Faqtotum> i didn't much like the drought in sf (1985-1991) and can't understand how other people prefer it
[00:38] <broder> i am pro-rain so long as i don't have to go outside during it
[00:40] <pleia2> erichammond: my family just laughs at me (my mother is in Maine and I have a sister in Alberta)
[00:41] <pleia2> the gym I go to is about a mile from home, beautiful walk during nice weather, I don't bother when it rains
[00:42] <jbermudes> The reason why rain is such a big problem in LA is because it happens so infrequently that most drivers don't seem to get enough practice and thus freak out
[00:43] <Faqtotum> oh.
[00:43] <nhaines> jbermudes: no excuse, though.  Our winter is a rainy season.
[00:44] <nhaines> All you have to do anyway is slow down to the posted speed limit and leave just a tad more space between cars.
[00:44] <Faqtotum> when it rains, it's better to be driving than walking
[00:44] <jbermudes> nhaines: But that would be logical!
[00:44] <pleia2> drainage is pretty lousy here, there are a couple of spots on highways that get really bad with rain
[00:44] <Faqtotum> indeed
[00:45] <Faqtotum> like the 101/280 interchange
[00:45] <pleia2> yep
[00:45] <nhaines> pleia2: Do you want to ford the river or caulk the wagon and float across?
[00:45] <Faqtotum> i nearly became the 4th car in a 3-car collision there when it rained
[00:45] <pleia2> it turns into a lake and they put up a little sign that tells you there might be flooding :)
[00:46] <Faqtotum> fortunately, a router i had in the car flew forward as i hit the water and hit the shifter into neutral at the exact right moment
[00:46] <Faqtotum> i had already accepted by then that i was going to die
[00:48] <Faqtotum> instead, the car ended up basically skiing to safety and i just drove on
[00:48] <Faqtotum> this was a few years ago
[00:49] <nhaines> Faqtotum: that's pretty awesome.
[00:53] <philipballew> What would be a reason ubuntu livecd cant see a mandrake harddrive
[00:54] <nhaines> philipballew: the harddrive has failed and is currently on fire.
[00:55] <philipballew> thats what i am thinking. thats why i run ubuntu. its a fireproof distro nhaines
[00:55] <philipballew> 2.6.11 kernal this box has
[00:56] <nhaines> Why do you believe the live CD can't see the hard drive?
[00:57] <philipballew> fdisk -l does not show it nhaines
[00:58] <philipballew> might be some crazy hd thing like master and slave
[00:58] <philipballew> if thats not pc, sorry. I dont know what else to call it
[00:58] <nhaines> That's what it's called.
[00:59] <akk> master/slave/cable select was definitely an issue with IDE. Have you checked that?
[00:59] <nhaines> Is the drive an IDE or a SATA drive?
[00:59] <broder> ...fdisk -l? does that print anything if you don't already have a device node to give t?
[00:59] <broder> *it
[00:59] <nhaines> broder: nope.
[00:59] <broder> so that means the *drive* is there
[00:59] <nhaines> philipballew: what does 'ls /dev/disk/by-id' say?
[00:59] <nhaines> broder: it means the drive status is indeterminate.
[01:00] <philipballew> i can reinsert the cable again
[01:00]  * philipballew powers off server
[01:00]  * philipballew open case
[01:00] <nhaines> philipballew: Is the drive an IDE or a SATA drive?
[01:00] <akk> Check the jumpers (assuming it is indeed IDE) while you're in there.
[01:00]  * philipballew puts on static bracelet
[01:01] <philipballew> yeah, the jumper is in slave and its the only one there...
[01:01] <akk> Maybe put it in master, if it's the only one?
[01:01] <nhaines> philipballew: that's why.
[01:01] <nhaines> nhaines: jumper the drive for "Master (single)" and then make sure it's on the center position of the cable.
[01:02] <philipballew> done and its booting up
[01:02] <philipballew> this install still has talnet...
[01:03] <philipballew> gonna need to fix that when i install ubuntu over mandrake
[01:03] <akk> I miss telnet sometimes.
[01:03]  * nhaines never misses telnet.
[01:04] <akk> Just because it was so much faster than ssh.
[01:04] <philipballew> if im running fdisk -l from  my live usb is the internal hd gonna be sda or sdb?
[01:05] <nhaines> Probably sdb.
[01:05] <jtatum> i heard telnet was really bad or something so now i only run rlogin
[01:05] <akk> mount will tell you where the current filesystem is mounted (whether it's sda)
[01:05] <jtatum> ;)
[01:06] <akk> I didn't think rlogin was much more secure than telnet. (Miss that too, it was also fast.)
[01:06] <jtatum> one could argue it's less secure since it had that concept of trusted hosts
[01:06] <nhaines> I don't think rlogin is any more secure at all.
[01:08] <akk> The trusted hosts thing seemed to be mostly what people objected to.
[01:08]  * akk used rlogin for a long time, though only behind our firewall
[01:10] <philipballew> http://pastebin.com/Hx0Z74rL
[01:11] <philipballew> thats sudo fdisk -l and i think its sda probably
[01:11] <philipballew> this is a old hd
[01:12] <nhaines> philipballew: your internal drive is /dev/sda.  You can verify this by running 'mount'
[01:13] <nhaines> In addition, /dev/sda1 is cylinder-aligned and /dev/sda1 is 1MB-aligned.  No OS before Windows Vista would partition that way.
[01:20] <philipballew> interesting nhaines . I think im gonna take this hd and use ubuntu instead. at least ssh
[01:20] <philipballew> gotta dd now. thanks!!!
[01:23] <nhaines> I hope he hates storing data, because Ubuntu will take at *least* 3.6GB aside from the 520MB of swap space on that 4GB drive.
[05:41] <philipballew> bkerensa, what made you get 600? :)
[05:48] <iBkerensa> philipballew, i have. no idea
[05:48] <iBkerensa> i only asked for 30
[05:50] <philipballew> you asked for your global jam? they probably had a lot
[08:46] <bkerensa> MarkDude: I ran into the Tripwire lady who was at the Nebula Party
[08:46] <bkerensa> MarkDude: We chatted up about VMWare and Xen
[08:46] <bkerensa> :P
[08:58] <MarkDude> Right on bkerensa
[09:06] <bkerensa> MarkDude: I think we will see her again at OSCON this year
[09:10] <MarkDude> Nice person
[14:27] <Faqtotum> some internet connections are fail
[17:51] <philipballew> bkerensa_, cool with the cd's for the jam though
[18:51] <raevol> i guess i'll just live without being able to install packages until i reformat in april :(
[18:52] <pleia2> raevol: how much is in your /var/cache/apt/archives/ ?
[18:52] <pleia2> you can clear that out with "sudo apt-get clean" and that may free up enough space
[18:52] <pleia2> also uninstalling old kernels will help
[18:52] <raevol> there's an empty partial folder
[18:53] <raevol> and a 0 byte lock file
[18:53] <raevol> i have 500 free megs now, there's something else going on
[18:53] <raevol> and i can't pipe terminal output to a file for some reason
[19:01] <raevol> also my terminal is clearing my scrollback for some reason :(
[19:01] <pleia2> is your home partition full?
[19:01] <raevol> no, have 12 free gigs
[19:03] <raevol> (of 16)
[19:18] <nhaines> raevol: might be a good idea to restart if your /var or /tmp filesystems ran out of space.  Linux goes a bit spacey when that happens.
[19:18] <raevol> nhaines: i've restarted several times, to no effect
[19:20] <nhaines> raevol: thanks to massive netsplits I didn't really catch much of the troubleshooting.
[19:20] <raevol> nhaines: most of it was in #ubuntu, i didn't really get any help here
[19:21] <raevol> basically my big problem is that i can't use > to output to a file, and my terminal won't save scrollback, so i can't pastebin anything that's going on
[19:22] <nhaines> Looked like a space issue from the scrollback here in channel.
[19:23] <nhaines> Well, best bet is to back up your home partition and then reinstall Ubuntu in place.
[19:23] <raevol> right, but i can't troubleshoot the issue because i can't pastebin any of the errors :)
[19:23] <nhaines> This is also an excellent reason to have an entire drive dedicated to your home partition.  (I fought that for a long time but love it.)
[19:24] <raevol> yes, my /home is on a separate drive
[19:26] <nhaines> If redirection worked (you pipe between processes, not to files), you could generate a list of packages and make a reinstall *really* easy.
[19:26] <nhaines> But since it doesn't, there's no reason not to reinstall now or on the weekend.
[19:26] <nhaines> It can even be good practice for a fresh install in April when 12.04 comes out.  :)
[19:27] <raevol> yea, i've been doing a fresh install every release for the past few years
[19:27] <raevol> i'm at work right now, and i only really use this netbook for irc, so i'll just deal with it until april
[19:28] <raevol> or if i get sick of having to close update manager because they removed notification-area integration, i'll format
[19:28] <nhaines> raevol: in that case it might be fun to test 12.04 on the netbook.
[19:28] <nhaines> Unity is very, very responsive now.
[19:29] <raevol> no thanks, i run xubuntu
[19:29] <nhaines> Well, no one's perfect.  :)
[19:36] <Darkwing> ? No ones perfect?
[19:43] <raevol> sup Darkwing
[19:50] <Darkwing> Not much.
[19:50] <Darkwing> Brushing up on my PHP for tomorrow phone interview.
[19:50] <raevol> nice nice
[19:50] <Darkwing> A guy I met at SCALE.
[19:50] <raevol> i had an interview yesterday, fingers crossed, should hear back next week
[19:50] <Darkwing> :) Looks like that trip will pay off in more then one way.
[19:51] <Darkwing> Good luck
[19:51] <raevol> haha yea :D
[19:51] <raevol> thanks