[00:19] <Blazeix> rick_h: did you see this go by? http://javascriptjabber.com/004-jsj-backbone-js-with-jeremy-ashkenas/
[00:19] <Blazeix> know you're not 100% in the backbone camp, but there are some neat topics
[00:20] <rick_h> Blazeix: I saw someone reference the podcast, but hadn't looked at the topics/etc
[00:20]  * rick_h adds it to give a listen
[00:36] <tjagoda> wokawoka
[00:43] <rick_h> that good eh?
[00:54] <snap-l> oy
[01:01] <jcastro> rick_h: I trolled you in my latest blog
[01:04] <tjagoda> lol
[01:11] <rick_h> jcastro: hah! /me runs to look
[01:14] <rick_h> jcastro: oh boo. You don't have to learn vim (but you should) it's the cmd line I don't think everyone should be excused from :0
[01:14] <jcastro> But I do know vim!
[01:14] <jcastro> all the antipatterns anyway
[01:14] <jcastro> :)
[01:49] <brousch> vim is awesome
[01:49] <brousch> i am addicted
[01:50] <rick_h> brousch: :)
[01:59] <brousch> now i feel crippled when another editor pops up
[03:02] <snap-l> jcastro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK_iIPly3mM&feature=relmfu
[03:41] <brousch> is evernote broken?
[03:43] <snap-l> Don't use it, so not sure.
[12:13] <rick_h> morning party people
[12:13] <brousch> in the place to be
[12:13] <brousch> car shopping today. wife decided subaru impreza, legacy, outback, or forester
[12:14] <rick_h> outback ftw
[12:15] <brousch> well the only outback in our price range is a 2004
[12:15] <brousch> and it's out in grand haven, about 45mins away
[12:15] <rick_h> ah
[12:15] <brousch> i should say in our price and mileage range
[12:16] <snap-l> http://paste.mitechie.com/raw/KMydFP0CsRH2lVVAS8C1/
[12:17] <snap-l> Haf of me wants to sell him every OMC episode for 1 billion dollars each
[12:22] <rick_h> booo, always do upgrades in a screen session :/
[12:22] <snap-l> rick_h: Session tanked overnight?
[12:22] <rick_h> did an upgrade, left it alone, couldn't get the display back up at all
[12:23] <rick_h> so rebooted, only now things are hosed and won't boot
[12:23] <snap-l> lovely
[12:23] <rick_h> yep, guessing the upgrade stalled and asked for something and I rebooted with it incomplete
[12:39] <brousch> rick_h: what blew up?
[12:39] <rick_h> brousch: my precise desktop
[12:39] <brousch> doh
[12:39] <rick_h> yea
[12:47] <brousch> dogfood not so good :(
[12:47] <rick_h> naw, it's just a result of the desktop not getting love nad being stacked over on synergy
[12:47] <rick_h> and I ran the update without following it until the next day
[12:48] <rick_h> meh, not totally surprised I guess. I even thought about ssh'ing into the machine when the screen didn't come back. I shold have killed the update and restarted it from the ssh term but didn't
[12:48] <rick_h> moron move on my end
[12:48] <rick_h> fortunately it wasn't doing anything except acting as another screen to run browsers on
[12:50] <rick_h> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9271222/sqlalchemy-insert-millions-data-inenficiency
[12:50] <rick_h> *sigh*
[12:50] <rick_h> the stupid is high today
[12:59] <tjagoda> I live for facebook updates about the strange things brousch's son says.
[12:59] <tjagoda> iLol'd.
[12:59] <rick_h> facebook? that thing's still around? :P
[13:00] <brousch> tjagoda: apparently he has a following at my wife's work too
[13:00] <tjagoda> Without facebook how would I be kept in the loop about George's antics?
[13:00] <brousch> rick_h: it's where you go to argue about evolution and post funny quotes from your kids
[13:01] <tjagoda> Surely nobody else has cracked this social technology?!
[13:01] <rick_h> tjagoda: haven't you need the meme? You're supposed to publish videos on a blog named "sh!t my son says"
[13:01] <rick_h> or a twitter account like darth vader :)
[13:02] <brousch> heh
[13:02] <brousch> hm, a fake rick_h twitter account
[13:03] <tjagoda> "@rick__H: I love quiet keyboards!"
[13:03] <tjagoda> "@rick__H: I do all my coding in OpenOffice writer!"
[13:03] <rick_h> heh, I answered that reddit already today :P
[13:04] <brousch> If you can hear the rap music over the sound of your typing, you need new springs on your keyboard
[13:04] <tjagoda> wtf, seriously?  OO.o coding?
[13:04] <rick_h> http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/porwg/your_python_editor_of_choice/
[13:05] <tjagoda> The original question is not as stupid as I was hoping it would be.
[13:06] <rick_h> http://blog.monitis.com/index.php/2012/02/13/python-performance-tips-part-1/
[13:08] <tjagoda> Is Launchpad done primarily in Python?
[13:08] <rick_h> yes
[13:08] <brousch> rick_h: do you use gunicorn on bookie?
[13:09] <snap-l> GOod morning again from the other side of the screen. :)
[13:09] <rick_h> brousch: the dev server when you run " make run_dev" uses it
[13:09] <rick_h> brousch: but bmark.us is deployed with uwsgi + nginx
[13:09] <brousch> gunicorn worked easily on heroku
[13:09] <tjagoda> No wonder its so damn slow! =P
[13:10] <rick_h> brousch: cool
[13:10] <rick_h> I'd have figured they'd run your wsgi app itself vs proxying but ok
[13:12] <brousch> heh sqlalchemy insertion guy is doing it on windows
[13:12] <brousch> found your bottleneck!
[13:14] <rick_h> naw, but writing out an answer about how transations work and all that will be too much work
[13:14] <rick_h> and the answer should be "use your damn db import mechanism"
[13:17] <snap-l> rick_h: Oh God yes
[13:18] <snap-l> What do you want to bet he / she is using SQLite as well. :)
[13:19] <tjagoda> Have not heard anything from Geek.net yet
[13:19] <tjagoda>  /sadtrombone
[13:33] <brousch> snap-l: i think i saw a My in there, so probably mysql
[13:35] <snap-l> tjagoda: It may take some time
[13:36] <snap-l> brousch: That's not much of an improvement. :)
[13:37] <tjagoda> snap-l: Are you inferring that the universe does not revolve around me personally?
[13:37] <tjagoda> If you are, I am not a fan of this inference. =(
[13:37] <snap-l> tjagoda: Hate to break it to you, but you're just an extra in my play.
[13:38] <tjagoda> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[13:40] <snap-l> Rocking the morning with Mc 900ft Jesus - Truth is out of style.
[14:01] <tjagoda> I was reading the Geek.net financial statements sunday
[14:01] <tjagoda> Shit hit the fan for them in 2010
[14:01] <tjagoda> No wonder that they restructured
[14:10] <snap-l> Oh yeah
[14:10] <snap-l> I'm not mad at them for laying me off
[15:11] <tjagoda> Would it be acceptable to wallpaper this as a mural in my office?
[15:11] <tjagoda> http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/425989_10150560104462198_728877197_9231165_60585187_n.jpg
[15:12] <rick_h> think you're going to want a larger res image
[15:12] <rick_h> and you can forget picking up any ladies from the office I think :)
[15:12] <tjagoda> Or only the RIGHT ladies.
[15:13] <rick_h> heh
[15:15] <tjagoda> I love that my Boss believes he is an awesome communicator
[15:15] <tjagoda> when in reality he is terrible
[15:16] <tjagoda> Reason #467 which makes this a stress-free workplace!
[15:16] <tjagoda> PLZ HIRE ME GEEKNET
[15:16] <tjagoda> WILL WORK FOR CARDBOARD BOXES
[15:30] <snap-l> tjagoda: Oh, he's no Winston Churchill?
[15:48] <tjagoda> The opposite of Winston Churchill
[15:48] <tjagoda> Impossible to tell when he's angry because his voice does not change, takes 20 minutes to say something that should be 5 words, forgets to tell me when meeting times change
[15:48] <tjagoda> etc.
[15:49] <tjagoda> Also bad at the hearing part of listening
[15:49] <tjagoda> =P
[15:49] <tjagoda> "This will take four months."
[15:49] <tjagoda> "So are we looking at 2 or 3 months?"
[15:49] <tjagoda> "...This will take four months."
[15:50] <rick_h> that's just the manager in him.
[15:50] <rick_h> "ok, so what you mean is that if I manage you well it can be half that. Nothing can possibly take 4 months to do"
[15:51] <tjagoda> Thats actually step two
[15:51] <tjagoda> Step one is just getting him to hear the same words you said
[15:51] <tjagoda> Step two is him then doing the manager =(
[15:51] <snap-l> "Claim your 300% Euro today - offer expires at midnight."
[15:52] <tjagoda> Its like double-manager psychology
[15:52] <snap-l> What's the exchange rate on 300% nowadays?
[15:52] <snap-l> tjagoda: Doing the manager?
[15:52] <snap-l> Is that a dance move, or an aspiration? :)
[15:52] <tjagoda> I found on ebay last night that my Lego Millennium Falcon increased in value by 125%
[15:53] <tjagoda> Thus marking my first awesome purchase ever
[15:53] <snap-l> tjagoda: Completed auctions, or buy it now shennanigans?
[15:53] <tjagoda> Completed auctions
[15:53] <snap-l> Nice!
[15:53] <tjagoda> People bidding in 4-digit sums, ridiculous
[15:53] <snap-l> Damn
[15:54] <snap-l> Tried to convince JoDee that a Lego Tie Fighter was a reasonable purchase
[15:54] <snap-l> I don't think she bought it
[15:54] <tjagoda> http://www.amazon.com/LEGO-Ultimate-Collectors-Millennium-Falcon/dp/B000WLW3W0
[15:54] <tjagoda> I promise you I paid nowhere near that sum
[15:54] <snap-l> Amazon is ridiculous for OOP stuff
[15:54] <tjagoda> The Ebay prices are a bit lower
[15:54] <tjagoda> in the 1200-1400 range
[15:54] <snap-l> someone marks something as a collectible, and pretty soon it's going for 500% above retail
[15:55] <jrwren> why didn't anyone tell me that pypy is so awesome?
[15:56] <rick_h> jrwren: because we didn't know you had cpu bound python2 problems?
[15:56] <snap-l> Honestly, if Amazon doesn't ship it from their warehouse, I'm more reluctant to purchase it
[15:56] <rick_h> snap-l: +1
[15:56] <jrwren> +1
[15:57] <snap-l> Which is humorous because I sell stuff on Amazon all the time. :)
[15:57] <jrwren> you do?
[15:57] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, mostly used books and shit
[15:57] <jrwren> cool
[15:58]  * snap-l is a long-time ebayer too, but don't sell there anymore
[15:58] <snap-l> They kept jerking around sellers
[15:58] <snap-l> Last straw was witholding payments if you didn't do X number of transactions per month or something
[15:59] <tjagoda> I like to think that people named "Regan" were named in some kind of honorary tribute to the former President Ronald Reagan.
[15:59] <snap-l> I don't remember what it was offhand, but it essentially meant they'd keep the money for a while if you weren't blowing out massive amounts of transactions per month
[15:59] <tjagoda> Or as you may have heard him colloquially referred to within the Republican party, "Jesus."
[16:00] <snap-l> which is anathema to someone who sells maybe 2 items per month online
[16:00] <snap-l> tjagoda: I love how Regan is revered in the Republican partyh.
[16:01] <tjagoda> Like an elevation to Sainthood
[16:01] <rick_h> jrwren: what are you doing with pypy?
[16:03] <snap-l> tjagoda: Pretty much
[16:03] <tjagoda> I think
[16:04] <tjagoda> that it is taco bell o-clock.
[16:04] <tjagoda> afk lunch
[16:13] <jrwren> nothing.
[16:13] <jrwren> but i just finally heard a desc of pypy more than just "python in python"
[16:13] <jrwren> i had no idea there was a native machine jitter
[16:14] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, it's pretty cool if you've got some cpu heavy stuff
[16:15] <jrwren> it sounds awesome.
[16:15] <jrwren> and has stackless options.
[16:16] <rick_h> it's done wonders for the native python implementation of libraries
[16:16] <jrwren> makes me want to try out a stackless greenlet-per-request server on it.
[16:16] <rick_h> heh
[16:16] <jrwren> well, ctypes are awesome.
[16:36] <rick_h> anyone tried https://github.com/scrooloose/syntastic
[16:41] <snap-l> rick_h: Not yet, but looks pretty interesting.
[16:45] <tjagoda> I like how terrified users get when I access the windows share and they realize I can inspect their entire PC at any time
[16:46] <rick_h> heh
[16:46] <rick_h> I used to get that when I took over their terminal server sessions
[16:46] <rick_h> nothing like taking over their mouse and clicking wherever the #@$#@ you feel like in front of them, especially when they're remote
[16:51] <tjagoda> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election-2012/rick-santorum-edges-mitt-romney-race-gop-presidential-nomination-poll-article-1.1022265?localLinksEnabled=false
[16:51] <tjagoda> As if Republicans weren't unlikely enough to win already
[16:54] <jrwren> wtf do people think when they are on a corporate networK?
[16:54] <snap-l> And this is why I use SSH tunnels whenever possible
[16:54] <jrwren> i used to remove domain admins from my local administrator group to try to prevent some of that, but I know as an AD joined machine, they can apply a GPO at any time to add it back.
[16:55] <tjagoda> When they're on a corporate network on corporate machines
[16:55] <jrwren> what I'm not sure about is if GPO can be applied without a reboot or relogin
[16:55] <snap-l> It's not that I do things that I think need to be private, it's because I don't like to broadcast what I'm doing.
[16:58] <snap-l> http://avinashsingh.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/a-myth-called-the-indian-programmer/
[16:59] <snap-l> Pretty broad strokes, but mirrors some of my experience.
[17:00] <snap-l> That said, we did get some very bright folks over at Chrysler.
[17:09] <jrwren> its a b.s. difference between "programmers" and "coders"
[17:09] <jrwren> IME there is no difference.
[17:09] <jrwren> the premise on which his post is written is a falacy
[17:09] <jrwren> that said, I completely understand what he is saying :)
[17:10] <snap-l> Yeah, the terminology is a bit wonky
[17:12] <snap-l> It's a little disturbing that the term Coder is somehow the more derogatory form of programmer
[17:12] <jrwren> its not in my book.
[17:12] <snap-l> I think it is up to us to rectify that and come  up with more derogatory terms
[17:13] <snap-l> keyboard jockey, perhaps?
[17:13] <jrwren> a top knoch coder is worth a ton
[17:13] <jrwren> but IME great coders are also architects.
[17:14] <snap-l> jcastro: Your post on "Your search sucks" is getting attention
[17:21] <jcastro> snap-l: it's on the reddit front page!
[17:21] <jcastro> good way to test me new blog, heh
[17:22] <rick_h> jcastro: do you have any stats on the new blog?
[17:22] <rick_h> just setup GA on it or something?
[17:22] <jcastro> I do
[17:22] <jcastro> in realtime. :)
[17:22] <rick_h> heh
[17:22] <jcastro> 75 people on right now
[17:22] <rick_h> ok dammit, I can't get that syntastic to do auto checking, but runs manuall
[17:22] <rick_h> grrrrr
[17:23] <jcastro> I either have realtime or from yesterday, not today as a while
[17:24] <rick_h> right
[17:24] <jrwren> how did you do that?
[17:24] <jrwren> build on GAE or something?
[17:24] <jcastro> just using normal google analytics
[17:24] <rick_h> GA has realtime beta stats now
[17:24] <jcastro> the realtime is beta
[17:24] <jcastro> it's pretty awesome
[17:24] <jrwren> ah, i see
[17:28] <snap-l> IT's not so awesome when you don't have people on your site. :)
[17:28] <jcastro> well, I certainly wasn't expecting a redditing
[17:29] <snap-l> jcastro: It's part of the Ubuntu Conspiracy
[17:29] <jcastro> S3 delivers!
[17:29] <jcastro> oh wait ... so much for being cheaper
[17:29] <snap-l> See, you moved to the cloud stuff and THEN posted your most throught-provoking post yet.
[17:29] <jcastro> get redditted the first day out the door
[17:30] <snap-l> jcastro: Well, at least you're not trying to scale Tumblr
[17:30] <jcastro> heh
[17:30] <snap-l> and releasing the tumblebeasts
[18:43] <snap-l> Apparently 1.4G takes a while to import into a MySQL database. ;)
[18:43] <rick_h> snap-l: did you turn off logging first?
[18:48] <snap-l> no, because I'm an idiot.
[18:49] <snap-l> Actually, it's not turned on by default in 5.1
[18:49] <snap-l> I think they wised up
[18:49] <rick_h> ah, yea should be able to turn off loggin, transactions, and crank an import pretty quick
[18:54] <snap-l> Unfortunately  I'm an hour into this
[18:55] <snap-l> so I'm loathe to stop it on the off-chance that it's 90% done
[18:56] <snap-l> And now that i look at how  it's handling this (ls -al), I'm going to cut bait.
[19:29] <jrwren> snap-l: we have a problem.
[19:29] <jrwren> i'm going to be out of state weekend of global bug jam.
[19:29] <jrwren> unless i have wrong day.
[19:33] <snap-l> March 3-5?
[19:33] <snap-l> jrwren: ^^
[19:34] <jrwren> :(
[19:35] <jrwren> i'm pinging coworkers to see if someone can facilitate
[19:35] <jrwren> i can't beleive i messed this up
[19:36] <jrwren> we were looking at saturday noon to 5p, right?
[19:36] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah
[19:36] <snap-l> Don't be hard on yourself. :)
[19:38] <jrwren> gmail or decafbad ?
[19:49] <snap-l> decafbad, please
[19:49] <jrwren> damn, used gmail
[19:50] <jrwren> sorry
[19:50] <jrwren> err... no... was waiting to hear back before I hit send.
[19:50] <jrwren> craig@ right?
[19:52] <snap-l> Yep
[19:52] <snap-l> That's OK, though - gmail forwards to decafb
[19:52] <snap-l> as
[19:53] <snap-l> bah, decafbad
[19:56] <snap-l> jrwren: Did you send something to gmail? I've not received it
[19:56] <jrwren> nah, had your email in the email to my coworkers in case they want to contact you
[20:02] <snap-l> OK, no worries.
[20:02] <snap-l> Thank you. :)
[20:31] <jrwren> no LVM option in the default installer :(
[20:31] <jrwren> I didn't realize this.
[20:31] <jrwren> i'm nub
[20:32] <snap-l> Yeah, you'll be better off using  the alternate installer
[20:42] <jrwren> i'll testdrive that next :)
[22:29] <brousch> 2009 subaru forester
[22:31] <jrwren> sounds expensive
[22:32] <tjagoda> Sounds Asian!
[22:32]  * tjagoda has fierce Chrysler loyalty =(
[22:33] <jrwren> always or just since they are italian?
[22:36] <tjagoda> Hey, man, its only 51%. ='(
[22:39] <rick_h> brousch: coolness
[22:51] <jcastro> rick_h: 6 cents
[22:51] <jcastro> that's what my blog has cost me after reddit today
[22:54] <Blazeix> send them a bill
[22:54] <rick_h> jcastro: :0
[22:54] <rick_h> :)
[23:15] <brousch> jcastro: only $14,000