[00:52] <jschall> What's the safest way to install the latest nvidia beta (295.17)?
[00:55] <RAOF> Wait for it to land in xorg-edgers? :)
[02:13] <jschall> RAOF: using xorg-edgers is not safe.
[02:13] <jschall> RAOF: it is in xorg-edgers, but i don't want the rest of xorg-edgers
[02:16] <bryceh> jschall, then wait for it to land in x-updates
[02:21] <Sarvatt> it'll go in x-updates when its a stable release which shouldn't be too much longer, beta stuff doesn't go in x-updates
[02:21] <Sarvatt> (usually)
[02:23] <bryceh> Sarvatt, right, then maybe x-testing?  https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/ppa
[02:28] <jschall> Is there a way to package the lastest nvidia driver beta in a .deb? I can't use xorg-edgers because the synaptics driver is broken for me.
[02:34] <bjsnider> i don't think it's going to provide any miracles
[02:34] <bjsnider> what are you expecting it to do?
[02:36] <bjsnider> there's a chance it would work if you just download the -edgers deb and manually install it
[03:06] <cnd> bryceh, RAOF: I sent out a proposal for some default setting changes in synaptics last week
[03:07] <cnd> there hasn't been any feedback so far
[03:07] <cnd> should I just make the changes?
[03:07] <cnd> they are two one-line changes
[03:10] <bryceh> cnd, I don't have an opinion on that
[03:11] <cnd> bryceh, you don't have an opinion on the settings,or whether I should just make the change?
[03:11] <bryceh> cnd, if you want to make the changes and just keep an eye on incoming bug reports, I'd be cool with it
[03:11] <cnd> ok
[03:11] <cnd> bryceh, you know which changes I'm referring to?
[03:11] <bryceh> nope
[03:11] <cnd> bryceh, locked drags when performing a tap and drag
[03:11] <bryceh> but I remember reading the proposal and deciding I didn't have an opinon on it ;-)
[03:12] <cnd> and disabling 3 touch click action
[03:12] <cnd> ahh
[03:12] <cnd> ok
[03:12] <cnd> probably the same as everyone else :)
[03:12] <bryceh> could be
[03:13] <bryceh> by locked drag what do you mean?
[03:21] <cnd> bryceh, when you tap and drag, you will continue dragging even after you lift up
[03:21] <cnd> you have to tap again to release the left button
[03:21] <cnd> so if you reach the end of the trackpad, you can continue to drag by lifing, reseting your finger elsewhere, and continuing to drag
[03:35] <RAOF> cnd: Hm.  Have you noticed the xserver crashing with a null mask in positionSprite when scrolling with your -0ubuntu3 server?
[03:36] <cnd> RAOF, no, I haven't
[03:36] <cnd> but I don't check every X crash I get :)
[03:38] <RAOF> You'd notice this.  Every time I two-finger scroll on this touchpad the server crashes.
[03:39] <RAOF> This might be my fault, though.  I'm rebuilding without any of my patches and I'll scream at you if it still reproduces :)
[03:41] <cnd> heh, ok
[03:41] <cnd> RAOF, bryceh: btw, I'll be at a gtk hackfest this week, weekend, next week
[03:41] <cnd> I'll be on a plane wed
[03:41] <cnd> then hacking thurs - tues
[03:41] <cnd> then flying back wed
[03:41] <cnd> something like that
[03:42] <cnd> so if you can't reach me, that's why
[03:42] <RAOF> Oooh, multitouch in GTK?
[03:42] <RAOF> BAH!  It turns out that my muscle memory includes ‘two finger scroll’ quite a lot.
[03:43] <cnd> RAOF, we'll be discussing it :)
[03:43] <RAOF> You haven't uploaded xserver 0ubuntu3 yet, have you?
[03:43] <cnd> RAOF, oh yeah
[03:44] <cnd> I made two uploads today IIRC
[03:44] <RAOF> Ok.  I'll pull down the archive build of 0ubuntu3 then.
[03:45] <RAOF> *Very* carefully without scrolling.
[03:45] <RAOF> If this turns out to not be a problem with my patches, how long are you around?
[03:46] <cnd> RAOF, tomorrow?
[03:47] <RAOF> I was thinking more this evening.
[03:47] <cnd> hmm.. I wasn't hoping too long
[03:47] <cnd> but you can always ping me and hope :)
[03:47] <RAOF> I'll see if it *is* a problem in 0ubuntu3; if it is, I think it's the sort of thing that we should either fix ASAP or revert ASAP.
[03:48] <RAOF> Killing the server whenever you scroll is harmful for productivity :)
[03:49] <cnd> RAOF, when did this start happening?
[03:51] <RAOF> False alarm; I've clearly broken something while merging my patches on top of 0ubuntu3.
[03:52] <RAOF> cnd: Sorry for that!
[03:52] <cnd> RAOF, np :)
[04:04] <cnd> bryceh, can you paste me your synaptics caps from your dell netbook
[04:04] <cnd> dmesg | grep ynaptics
[04:05] <cnd> I want to try to verify some bits
[04:13] <bryceh> cnd, http://paste.ubuntu.com/841275/
[04:13] <cnd> bryceh, thanks
[04:13] <cnd> looks to be the same as mine
[09:45] <dholbach> hi guys
[09:46] <dholbach> do we know anything about bug 931344? crash in XIGetDeviceProperty() 
[09:46] <ubot4`> dholbach: Error: Bug #931344 not found.
[09:46] <dholbach> ubot4`, try harder :)
[09:46] <ubot4`> Factoid 'try harder :)' not found
[10:29] <RAOF> That seems an odd one to crash in.
[10:30] <dholbach> I've had it happen a couple of times already :-/
[10:30] <dholbach> since maybe 3-4 days?
[10:32] <tjaalton> looks like a dupe in bug 931658
[10:32] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 931658 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV in XIChangeDeviceProperty() (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931658
[10:32] <tjaalton> hum no
[10:32] <dholbach> robbiew seems to have had a similar one (bug 931658)
[10:33] <dholbach> 931951 is probably a dup I filed, but it's not retraced yet
[10:50] <tjaalton> dholbach: hmm, x220 has a clickpad-type touchpad?
[10:51] <dholbach> hum, what does clickpad-type touchpad mean?
[10:51] <tjaalton> it doesn't have buttons
[10:51] <tjaalton> but you click the pad
[10:52] <dholbach> yes, the bottom of the touchpad serves as left-mouse-button
[10:52] <tjaalton> ok good
[10:53] <tjaalton> robbie has x220 tablet
[10:53] <tjaalton> so they are probably related to the new clickpad code
[10:53] <dholbach> ah ok, so the bugs are different
[10:55] <tjaalton> happening in different parts of the code, but could still be related..
[10:55]  * dholbach nods
[11:48] <dholbach> :-(
[12:18] <dholbach> arg
[12:19] <tjaalton> dholbach: try disabling the touchpad from bios, and use the nipple for now
[12:20] <dholbach> ok, next time it crashes, I'll do that
[12:20] <dholbach> this time it was compiz crashing
[12:21] <dholbach> XDefineCursor *shrugs*
[12:44] <seb128> dholbach, bug number?
[13:15] <dholbach> seb128, 932024
[13:15] <seb128> dholbach, danke
[15:17] <tjaalton> subscribed ubuntu-x to mesa-demos bugmail
[15:22] <Sarvatt> cool, missed those. a lot of these can be closed
[15:22] <Sarvatt> so thats where all the fglrx bugs went
[15:23] <tjaalton> heh, yeah
[15:23] <tjaalton> i didn't notice it got split at some point
[15:28] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: can ya accept nominations on it?
[15:28] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/926918
[15:28] <ubot4`> Sarvatt: Error: Bug #926918 not found.
[15:29] <Sarvatt> fixed in precise but not oneiric
[15:29] <jcristau> bad ubot4`.
[15:29] <Sarvatt> jcristau: it was private because it had personal info, was my mistake
[15:30] <Sarvatt> linking before fixing that :)
[15:32] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: sure. so marking fixed but leaving oneiric open?
[15:33] <Sarvatt> yeah fixed in ubuntu and precise tasks, easily can be srued to oneiric
[15:33] <tjaalton> if someone bothers to do it :)
[15:33] <Sarvatt> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?h=7.11&id=0e9b79c22a53efb8413ba6b4e49085a08221a5d3 is the fix
[15:33] <Sarvatt> yepyep
[15:34] <Sarvatt> i'm still fighting another mesa sru thats kicking my butt, fix after refactor ftw..
[15:35] <Sarvatt> thats actually not even in a 7.11 release
[15:39] <Sarvatt> thats odd, almost all the bugs are private
[15:39] <Sarvatt> retracer not cleaning up after it? i thought that was automatic
[15:39] <tjaalton> cnd: hey, there are a couple of crashers that seem to have clickpad functionality in common
[15:40] <tjaalton> lots of "unable to find touch point 0" in the log, then segfault
[15:40] <cnd> tjaalton, hmm... are you sure they are clickpads?
[15:40] <tjaalton> one is an apple macbook, two are lenovo x220's
[15:40] <cnd> ok
[15:41] <Sarvatt> someone filed a MIR for mesa-demos, hmm
[15:41] <tjaalton> bug 931344 for instance
[15:41] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 931344 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV in XIGetDeviceProperty() (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931344
[15:41] <Sarvatt> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/92767242/XorgLogOld.txt
[15:48] <Sarvatt> hmm https://launchpadlibrarian.net/92806848/XorgLogOld.txt
[15:56] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: what about it?
[15:56] <Sarvatt> looks like the same thing but the bug was different
[15:56] <tjaalton> yeah, slightly
[15:58] <tjaalton> SegvAnalysis is ~identical though, but i've no idea if you can draw any conclusions from that..
[16:01] <Sarvatt> that bcm5974 one was from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/931674
[16:01] <ubot4`> Sarvatt: Error: Bug #931674 not found.
[16:02] <Sarvatt> argh why isn't apport unmarking private after it deletes the core dumps
[16:12] <tjaalton> bryceh: the upstream git browsing links on versions_current are wrong, cgit only these days it seems
[16:17] <Sarvatt> tjaalton, bryceh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/841874/ ?
[16:18] <Sarvatt> or is it http://paste.ubuntu.com/841878/
[16:19] <tjaalton> whaa, where's that script?
[16:19] <Sarvatt> arsenal
[16:19] <Sarvatt> lp:arsenal
[16:19] <tjaalton> ok
[16:19] <tjaalton> i'll steal it for freeipa :)
[16:23] <Sarvatt> bryceh: if thats right, https://code.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/arsenal/fdo-url-fix
[16:23] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: careful lest you get ip banned from fdo like bryce did
[16:24] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: nah, fedorahosted :)
[16:24] <tjaalton> goes to the end of the todolist anyway
[16:27] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: btw do you use syncpackage?
[16:27] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: yep
[16:27] <Sarvatt> you can add -s launchpadid to sponsor, and -b bugnumber to close the bug automatically
[16:28] <tjaalton> yeah sorry for not giving you the credit :)
[16:28] <tjaalton> used -b
[16:29] <Sarvatt> oh cool, yeah i dont care at all just figured you didnt know in case you sponsor someone elses
[16:29] <Sarvatt> pretty sure i have enough uploads to not matter anymore
[16:34] <tjaalton> :)
[16:35] <Sarvatt> now to sell myself to the DMB, that part weirds me out enough that i haven't done it yet after going through it once before for membership
[16:38] <cnd> tjaalton, I have seen some crashes when devices are removed
[16:38] <cnd> haven't had a chance to track them down yet
[16:39] <cnd> that looks to be the same as the bug you showed me
[16:39] <cnd> Sarvatt, yeah, going before the DMB sucks
[16:39] <cnd> I got your back :)
[16:43] <Sarvatt> cnd: apparently there's an easy way to reproduce the removed device crashes, disable bluetooth on a system with your magic trackpad
[16:43] <cnd> ahh
[16:44] <cnd> Sarvatt, when I get a chance I'll look into it
[16:44] <cnd> I'll assign the bug to me
[16:44] <Sarvatt> vanhoof just hit it http://paste.ubuntu.com/841908/
[16:52] <Sarvatt> RAOF: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~sarvatt/patches/500_pointer_barrier_thresholds.diff refreshed for current xserver master
[16:53] <Sarvatt> after http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=42b6756463ee0476340656707f1088dc6c2fd220
[18:50] <Sarvatt> RAOF: scratch that, the newly uploaded http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~sarvatt/patches/500_pointer_barrier_thresholds.diff is the right fix for master, i refreshed 1.11's version and lost the swaps/swapl changes
[22:45] <cnd> Sarvatt, do you use edge scrolling?
[22:46] <Sarvatt> 2 finger only
[22:46] <Sarvatt> got used to osx on this thing when i915 didnt work
[22:46] <Sarvatt> edge scrolling doesn't work, thats the first time i've noticed :P
[22:48] <Sarvatt> cnd: should i test something? i'm willing to purge edgers to test out something if it'd help
[22:48] <cnd> Sarvatt, ok, nm, I wondered if that's why the clickpad stuff wasn't working for you
[22:49] <cnd> I just found a bug if you have edge scrolling enabled
[22:49] <Sarvatt> i'm actually using an ancient synaptics at the moment because you uploaded 1.5.99 as 1.5.0
[22:49] <cnd> no need to reuse edgers for this
[22:49] <cnd> Sarvatt, that's cause debian hasn't updated to 1.5.99 yet
[22:49] <cnd> actually, I'm not sure synaptics 1.5.99 has been released yet...
[22:49] <Sarvatt> it hasn't but its 1.5.99 in configure.ac so my scripts name it that
[22:50] <Sarvatt> i tested your upstream-ubuntu with bryce's package debian/ the other day
[22:51] <Sarvatt> err synaptics-clickpad? whatever the one was that worked with 1.12
[22:52] <cnd> Sarvatt, ahh, that stuff was old and had some issues
[22:52] <cnd> I'm ironing them out :)
[22:52] <cnd> Sarvatt, there was a specific issue with macbook trackpads that has been resolved
[22:52] <Sarvatt> is it in your PPA?
[22:52] <Sarvatt> or some branch I can pull?
[22:53] <Sarvatt> or patches on a list i should try? i'm gonna downgrade now
[23:26] <cnd> Sarvatt, I just pushed the latest stuff up to my git repo on freedesktop.org
[23:26] <cnd> if you're on upstream 1.12, use clickpad-v2 branch
[23:26] <cnd> if you're on precise's server, you can wait till I push out updates to my ppa
[23:41] <cnd> Sarvatt, hold off on that branch
[23:41] <cnd> I found a small issue