[00:26] <TheMuso> ScottL: Ok uploaded, but it hasn't shown up on the revu page yet...
[01:18] <holstein> len-1204: YO
[01:18] <holstein> len-1204: you want to go through the text with me?
[01:18] <holstein> len: 
[01:19] <holstein> i think i have the shots straight and cropped
[01:28] <len-1204> holstein: ok
[01:29] <holstein> len-1204: you doing well?
[01:29] <holstein> let me move this to a shared google doc...
[01:30] <len-1204> Ok,
[01:30] <len-1204> I hope I can remember my log in :-)
[01:32] <holstein> len-1204: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17ZNRuuoM5RvodxItTKXzPKTV__58Ap_qMzRdLanb87A/edit
[01:32] <holstein> i dont think anyone it here will mess with us :)
[01:33] <len-1204> Are you going with things in the order they are?
[01:34] <holstein> len-1204: thats just the way the pics are
[01:34] <holstein> i dont think thats the order
[01:34] <holstein> the final order or whatever
[01:34] <len-1204> Ok, I would say put audio together and photo together etc.
[01:35] <holstein> len-1204: if you want, put a # out in front of the entry in whatever order you think thy should be in
[01:35] <holstein> and ill drag them around
[01:35] <len-1204> Do you have a ustudio main one?
[01:36] <holstein> len-1204: hmmm not really
[01:36] <holstein> len-1204: do you want to take one from the live CD?
[01:38] <len-1204> All there are that I can find is backgrounds
[01:40] <holstein> len-1204: thats probably fine
[01:40] <holstein> len-1204: how about just whatever you want to have
[01:42] <len-1204> The one in ubuntu is very simple. I would almost go with the bottom left corner of ubuntustudio-ayo.png
[01:42] <len-1204> I don't seem to be able to enter text on the doc.
[01:43] <len-1204> do you have to share it or some thing
[01:43] <holstein> len-1204: do you have a google account?
[01:44] <len-1204> I just sent it to you... lenovens@gmail.com
[01:45] <holstein> len-1204: ok.. you should be juiced up
[01:45] <len-1204> I'll try.
[01:47] <ScottL> i worry that i'm in over my head on the theming because the live-dvd doesn't look like xubuntu at all, it looks like the default xfce stuff
[01:50] <holstein> len-1204: i can size it or whatever
[01:51] <len-1204> Yes it is xfceish
[01:52] <len-1204> holstein: I'm not thinking size just yet, just thinking story line
[01:52] <ScottL> len-1204, how you tried xubuntu yet?  11.04, 11.10, or 12.04 are all good indicators
[01:53] <ScottL> the xubuntu/shimmer team have done a good job with their theme
[01:53] <len-1204> IScottL: I use 11.10 on my notebook.
[01:54] <len-1204> oops ScottL
[01:54] <len-1204> I seem to have lost my back logging
[01:58] <len-1204> ScottL: Do you have a xubuntu installed somewhere?
[01:59] <len-1204> They tend to use their own data directories.
[02:00] <len-1204> Then set the path to that instead.
[02:00] <len-1204> They are assuming a fresh install or upgrade from xubuntu.
[02:01] <len-1204> Not putting kubuntu in (for example) and upgrading to xubuntu or putting xubuntu metas on top.
[02:05] <TheMuso> ScottL: Ok, linux-lowlatency uploaded and now on revu.
[02:06] <holstein> W00T!
[02:06] <len-1204> Great!
[02:07] <len-1204> holstein: how does it look so far?
[02:08] <holstein> len-1204: im liking it!
[02:12] <ScottL> holstein, len-1204 :  the kernel is NOT in the repos
[02:13] <ScottL> it is just available for people to look at it and comment and/or approve it
[02:13] <len-1204> One step at a time...
[02:13] <ScottL> len-1204, yeah, i started with the xubuntu -default-settings and -artwork packages and tried to parse those into our package structure, but i apparently didn't do something right :/
[02:14] <ScottL> len-1204, very true about one step :)
[02:15] <holstein> revu is a good start ScottL :)
[02:18] <ScottL> i agree
[02:18] <ScottL> but i worry that we apparently have until only thursday to get it approved and uploaded :/
[02:19] <len-1204> We hsould have Lyx included.
[02:19] <len-1204> *should
[02:19] <holstein> len-1204: you got text on everything :)
[02:20] <len-1204> Does the story work?
[02:20] <holstein> https://docs.google.com/document/d/17ZNRuuoM5RvodxItTKXzPKTV__58Ap_qMzRdLanb87A/edit
[02:20] <holstein> len-1204: im going to put it in order now
[02:20] <len-1204> Those are pretty short blurbs
[02:21] <len-1204> I need to get some supper for my boys, Mom is out for the evening.
[02:22] <holstein> len-1204: how do you feel about !'s?
[02:23] <holstein> A whole studio on your computer! for example
[02:24] <holstein> len-1204: also.. id like to change...
[02:24] <holstein> For ease of recording keyboards, midi tracking is the way to go. Use the provided sound modules or you own external boxes
[02:25] <holstein> Use the provided sound modules or you own external boxes to make MIDI and MIDI sequencing easy.
[02:27] <holstein> NM.. this...
[02:27] <holstein> Use provided software synthesisers or your own external sound modules to make MIDI sequencing easy.
[02:31] <holstein> len-1204: OK.. i made a few tweaks
[02:31] <holstein> i like it!
[02:32] <holstein> # 3 is the one id like to change though
[02:35] <len-1204> Ja, do it.
[02:36] <holstein> len-1204: COOL!
[02:37] <holstein> len-1204: im going to ping knome about it
[02:37] <holstein> knome: we got something... https://docs.google.com/document/d/17ZNRuuoM5RvodxItTKXzPKTV__58Ap_qMzRdLanb87A/edit
[02:39] <holstein> len-1204: thanks *so* much!
[03:14] <len-1204> holstein: No problem... just jabber.
[03:52] <ScottL> i'm going to poke cjwatson to help about the ubiquity problems and a few others, at least he can tell me who to poke in turn at least
[03:52] <ScottL> but i really, really want to make progress again
[03:52] <ScottL> i think i'm going to skip doing the RPM challenege to focus on ubuntu studio
[03:52] <ScottL> but don't tell ricardus, holstein ;)
[03:53] <holstein> :/
[03:54] <holstein> ScottL: just knock something live out like im going to do :)
[04:46] <len-1204> ScottL: ping
[04:46] <len-1204> Sorry prolly too late.
[04:49] <len-1204> Anyway, should you read this when you get up.... looking at the differences from US to XU, I can see that XU seems to have pretty much left the /etc/xdg directory alone. they have put everything in a sub directory. We have tried to follow that style, but left lots in the xdg dir as well.
[04:50] <len-1204> This means that we have to leave /etc/xdg in the path. I don't think XU has.
[04:50] <len-1204> I would make one change in what you have there.
[04:52] <len-1204> In the file xfwm4.xml, I would change <property name="theme" type="string" value="greybird"/>
[04:53] <len-1204> I would change greybird to default.
[04:54] <len-1204> I would still use greybird in the xsettings.xml file though.
[04:57] <len-1204> The backdrop is a hard pick between olis (what you have) and ayo (what I happen have here right now)
[04:59] <len-1204> So I would leave it.
[05:09] <len-1204> Hmm, in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/25ubuntustudio-menu
[05:10] <len-1204> you have included /etc/xdg but not /etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio
[05:19] <len-1204> I can't find where XU sets path.
[05:47] <TheMuso> ScottL: So I am about to go afk for a while, maybe the rest of the day. Now that the kernel is on revu, its time to get someone else to look at it. I may be able to poke people tomorrow, but if you could ask around as well, that would be much appreciated.
[10:25] <knome> holstein, okay, thanks. i'll sort it out today
[11:37] <knome> scott-work, ScottL ?
[11:46] <knome> holstein too
[14:51] <scott-work> knome:  ping
[15:19] <holstein> knome: thanks!
[15:19] <holstein> im around later, so if i need to tweak something, let me know
[15:37] <holstein> scott-work: i think we should be ready for a media response if that kernel doesnt make it through
[16:16] <scott-work> #ubuntu-motu
[16:18] <scott-work> okay, poking people about the kernel now in #ubuntu-motu and #ubuntu-kernel
[16:19] <holstein> scott-work: :)
[16:19] <holstein> im still on a rather non-technical level with that im afraid, but if i can help with the poking, let me know
[16:20] <scott-work> i'm going to hit cjwatson up later today i think to ask for help on the ubiquity crashes and a few other things because i bloody want this release to work!
[16:20] <holstein> scott-work: im still *so* excited about it
[16:20] <scott-work> i'd like to start pokign some of the xubuntu/shimmer guys for help with the theme because it is still not fooking working at all!
[16:20] <holstein> that live CD loading up just got me going!
[16:23] <holstein> for me, the biggest deal breakers in look and feel are the wallpaper, and the login hot-pink screen... that little main menu XFCE icon would be nice to change to the old studio one too
[16:31] <scott-work> holstein: yes, those are things i want to change
[16:31] <holstein> i dont mind the general theme at all
[16:31] <holstein> the icons or whatever
[16:31] <holstein> i mean, they "work"
[16:32] <holstein> i guess what im talking about is more branding and de-branding
[16:33] <holstein> it would be nice if, as an alternative, a xubuntu user could install ubuntustudio-desktop or whatever and just get our UI
[16:35] <scott-work> holstein: i think the current theme is shit and it isn't what i want at all
[16:35] <scott-work> holstein: if you are seeing what i'm seeing, that is
[16:35] <holstein> not sure
[16:35] <scott-work> it looks like the default xfce stuff coming in and not the xubuntu theme
[16:35] <holstein> its just one of the default ones
[16:36] <holstein> but when i login as ubuntustudio session, its darker
[16:36] <scott-work> what i want is xubuntu theme just like when you pop in the xubuntu live cd
[16:36] <holstein> scott-work: my install is kind of borked right now
[16:36] <holstein> i might need to reinstall
[16:36] <scott-work> i haven't been able to get an install to work for a while either, that's why i want to poke cjwatson about this
[16:37] <scott-work> how can i fix the theme if i can't get a working install?
[16:37] <holstein> i check in ubuntu+1, but i think we have special breakages :)
[16:37] <holstein> scott-work: i know right :/
[18:37] <holstein> ScottL: question... can we get audactiy beck in the default install?
[18:37] <holstein> audacity*
[18:38] <holstein> i seem to remember there being a decent reason why it was pulled, i just cant remember it
[18:39] <holstein> cfhowlett: i found http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel.ubuntu-studio/2733
[18:40] <cfhowlett> ScottL: I'm a user, not a dev.  If my first exposure to audio editing had been ardour, I'd have run away in fear.  Audacity is much easier for new users.  Audio engineers can still add ardour in post-installation.  Just my $0.02 that a Digital Media distro pretty much MUST include Audacity.
[18:40] <cfhowlett> holstein: reading.  tyvm
[18:41] <holstein> im going to post some lines here for scott-work 
[18:41] <holstein> 13:37 < holstein> ScottL: question... can we get audactiy beck in the default install?
[18:41] <holstein> 13:37 < holstein> audacity*
[18:41] <holstein> 13:38 < holstein> i seem to remember there being a decent reason why it was pulled, i just cant remember it
[18:41] <holstein> 13:39 < holstein> cfhowlett: i found http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel.ubuntu-studio/2733
[18:41] <holstein> 13:40 < cfhowlett> ScottL: I'm a user, not a dev.  If my first exposure to audio editing had been ardour, I'd have run away in  fear.  Audacity is much easier for new users.  Audio engineers can still add ardour in post-installation.   Just my $0.02 that a Digital Media distro pretty much MUST include Audacity.
[18:41] <holstein> sorry for the ugly non-pastbin pasting :/
[18:42] <scott-work> it's okay, we're going to add audacity back
[18:42] <holstein> scott-work: cool, i just couldnt remember where we had landed with it
[18:42] <cfhowlett> scott-work: yay!  Audacity and Gimp are my go to apps for demo'ing cool US stuff to new users.  Happy it's back!  
[18:50] <holstein> cfhowlett: feel free and hang over here too
[18:50] <holstein> you ave really helping out a lot in the main support channel, and we appreciate it !
[18:50] <holstein> you are*
[18:50] <cfhowlett> *blushes*
[18:51] <holstein> scott-work = ScottL = the ubuntustudio team lead
[18:51] <cfhowlett> holstein: Kinda figured.  :)
[19:24] <knome> scott-work, greybird? we've made some changes to that to fix (mostly) gtk3, you should probably ask micahg to pull those for you as well
[19:25] <knome> scott-work, you still online? holstein, or you? :)
[19:25] <holstein> whats up?
[19:25] <holstein> knome: im about to run
[19:26] <knome> do you have more time later then?
[19:26] <holstein> knome: in like 8 hours
[19:26] <knome> it's nothing critical
[19:26] <holstein> are you aroung then?
[19:26] <holstein> or tomorrow morning
[19:26] <holstein> im loose then for about 2 hours
[19:26] <knome> probably not, it's 5:30am then ;)
[19:26] <holstein> hmmm
[19:26] <knome> <- UTC+2
[19:26] <knome> but tomorrow morning might be okay, at what time?
[19:27] <holstein> my 10:30 am ish
[19:27] <holstein> EST
[19:27] <holstein> 20 hours from now?
[19:27] <knome> ok, sounds like it could work :)
[19:27] <knome> ping me then
[19:27] <holstein> knome: will do!
[19:27] <knome> thanks
[19:27] <holstein> laters
[19:27] <knome> see you
[19:28] <micahg> the theme changes shouldn't need "pulling in", otherwise, we as Xubuntu are doing something wrong with the packaging
[19:28] <knome> ah, right, so studio is inheriting?
[19:28] <knome> in that case some of it might just not be *pushed* yet :)
[19:29] <knome> but ochosi and mr_pouit have been working a lot on greybird lately
[19:42] <scott-work> knome: sorry, i'm here
[19:42] <scott-work> the problem i believe we are having is that the theme is not being set
[19:43] <scott-work> when you start the live -dvd you get asked about panel layout, i.e. "choose empy, default, or one panel"
[19:44] <scott-work> i'm guessing i probably need to talk to ochosi or mrprout for these though
[19:49] <knome> yeah
[19:49] <knome> so
[19:50] <knome> scott-work,     bzr branch lp:~ubuntustudio-dev/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/precise
[19:50] <knome> scott-work, then run test-slideshow.sh and select ubuntu studio
[19:52] <scott-work> knome:  this is unreleated to theme, this is just to test the slide show, correct?
[19:53] <knome> yeah, that's correct
[19:53]  * scott-work will have to wait until home and test it on his ubuntu machine
[19:53] <knome> i'm not that aware about the theme issues
[19:53] <knome> sure
[19:53] <knome> when will you be home?
[19:53] <scott-work> knome: less than four hours
[19:54] <knome> okay, can you ping me then and we can go through a few things
[19:57] <scott-work> knome: sure :)
[23:39] <knome> meh. i'm going to sleep. see you all tomorrow.