[16:03] <cfhowlett> "New to Ubuntu (Studio) - Where Do I Start?" - my suggestion: find something that interests you.  Read up on it, try it, learn from, have fun with it.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMagazine/FullIssueIndex
[16:05] <holstein> yeah, get a small taks and take it on
[16:05] <holstein> i felt so overwhelmed for months after i switched and realized what all supported JACK and worked together
[16:06] <cfhowlett> holstein: I'm ashamed to admit that I STILL don't get jack, but then my podcast doesn't really require it...
[16:07] <holstein> cfhowlett: if its not needed, it can be overkill, and an unecesarry overhead
[16:07] <cfhowlett> fair enough...
[16:09] <holstein> i love ardour, and just it often, but its not the right tool for every job
[16:10] <holstein> and use it*
[16:10] <cfhowlett> I tried to understand it, but honestly, audacity did and does everything that my modest little effort requires.  Just for fun though, I crank up Ardour every so often and attempt to replicate the results...unsuccessfully thus far as I don't comprehend the work flow in Ardour.
[16:11] <holstein> hey, if audactiy does the job, i say go for it
[16:11] <holstein> i used to use it
[16:11] <holstein> i need the ease of use ardour provides for busses, real-time non-destructive editing, and multi-tracking
[16:12] <holstein> otherwise, if i had less tracks, id be happily using audacity
[16:12] <holstein> i think the folks that complain about audacity and trying to use it for something it is not intended to be used for
[16:12] <holstein> are trying*
[16:13] <cfhowlett> holstein: exactomundo.  The right tool for the job and all that...
[16:44] <plusEV> problem
[16:44] <cfhowlett> ?
[16:44] <cfhowlett> plusEV: state it with details
[16:45] <plusEV> just installed 10.04 and then i just get into a bloack screen after install
[16:45] <ailo> Audacity is not a DAW
[16:45] <ailo> It's an audio editor
[16:45] <plusEV> it says- ---ubuntu 10.04 -lts administrator tty1
[16:45] <cfhowlett> plusEV: seen this??  http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2010/05/06/ubuntu-10-04-lucid-blank-screen-at-startup-workaround/
[16:45] <ailo> The most popular open source audio editor in the world
[16:46] <ailo> The 2nd most popular open source media application in the world
[16:46] <plusEV> it not blank tho
[16:46] <ailo> Only VLC is more popular than Audacity
[16:46] <cfhowlett> ailo: understood...
[16:46] <plusEV> its just command prompt. no ui
[16:48] <ailo> I think probably Audacity is not being as actively developed in the past, so it might be getting a little old. Also, the functions of an audio editor have become common in DAW's, but Audacity is still very actively used.
[16:49] <ailo> >as< in the past..
[16:50] <ailo> plusEV: Try recovery mode, and do: sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop
[16:50] <ailo> Or just: apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop (since you'll be logged in as root)
[16:50] <plusEV> how do i enter that mode?
[16:51] <plusEV> k
[16:51] <ailo> plusEV: Reboot, press shift until you see the GRUB menu, and choose recovery mode
[16:51] <plusEV> ¨one sec
[16:51] <ailo> plusEV: You can do that from where you are though
[16:51] <plusEV> y
[16:51] <ailo> No need to do recovery mode
[16:54] <ailo> plusEV: If it starts installing ubuntustudio-desktop and all it's dependencies, it means you somehow failed to install the desktop during your install procedure
[16:58] <plusEV> failed to fetch files
[16:58] <plusEV> over 9000 errors
[16:59] <ailo> plusEV: Are you connected to the internet?
[16:59] <plusEV> not on tghat comp
[16:59] <ailo> Preferably using a chord. Don't think wifi will work
[17:00] <plusEV> i can use coord yes
[17:00] <plusEV> ok i got that set up in 1min.'
[17:01] <ailo> And if you try: sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop?
[17:02] <plusEV> ok in normal mode after the boot now
[17:02] <plusEV> and ethernet connected to the outlet atleast
[17:03] <plusEV> asking me are you root
[17:04] <plusEV> could not open lock file
[17:04] <plusEV> ghey
[17:05] <ailo> plusEV: Aren't you able to log in as a user?
[17:06] <plusEV> im on recovery mode now. lets try work with this
[17:06] <ailo> plusEV: If you weren't able to log in as a user, using your username and password, that would be a pretty major problem.
[17:07] <ailo> plusEV: You can try installing in recovery mode, but if that doesn't help, reinstalling aught to
[17:08] <plusEV> its the third time trying to reinstall it
[17:09] <plusEV> im root now in safemode. can i do some online update recovery thing since im connected to net
[17:09] <plusEV> ?
[17:09] <ailo> plusEV: Try the command: apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop
[17:10] <plusEV> then i get a wall of text
[17:10] <plusEV> and y n answer
[17:10] <plusEV> i go y
[17:11] <plusEV> the a new wall iof text telling me it fails to fetch files from cdroom
[17:11] <plusEV> ask me to try update command or fix missing
[17:12] <ailo> plusEV: try: apt-get update
[17:12] <plusEV> reading package lists...--done
[17:12] <ailo> And the fix missing is: apt-get install -f
[17:13] <plusEV> 9 upgrades 0 installed 0 and 0
[17:13] <plusEV> 0 not 9
[17:14] <ailo> Now, try the install command again: apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop
[17:15] <plusEV> wall of text that tells me i fail
[17:15] <plusEV> :)
[17:15] <ailo> plusEV: Well, something is wrong
[17:15] <ailo> plusEV: How did you install?
[17:15] <ailo> Using a DVD, usb stick..?
[17:15] <plusEV> booted from dvd
[17:16] <ailo> plusEV: Could be the DVD is corrupted, but when you try to reinstall, make sure to keep yourself connected to the internet
[17:16] <plusEV> ahhh
[17:16] <cfhowlett> ailo: my guess as well
[17:16] <plusEV> maybe thats the problem
[17:16] <ailo> plusEV: You could also try installing regular Ubuntu and add audio packages to it
[17:16] <plusEV> i try one more install connected with cable
[17:17] <plusEV> no i want this
[17:17] <plusEV> i like it :P
[17:17] <plusEV> trying once more with cable
[17:17] <plusEV> afk
[17:18] <cfhowlett> plusEV: hard and frustrating experience has taught me to ALWAYS checksum .iso's as they can easily get corrupted
[17:20] <plusEV> y I have heard that to but cba. :P
[17:21] <plusEV> ¨no ffs it cant find the netwrok no either
[17:23] <plusEV> how do you make bootable USB install from stick?
[17:23] <plusEV> is it easy?
[17:25] <cfhowlett> plusEV: quite easy.  System>Administration>Startup Disk Creator
[17:25] <cfhowlett> plusEV: what version of ubuntustudio are you installing?
[17:25] <plusEV> 10.04
[17:26] <plusEV> but i decided to get win 7 in now first
[17:26] <cfhowlett> plusEV: excellent.  I was going to suggest you go with 10.04 until 12.04 releases.
[17:26] <plusEV> its just a backup computer of mine. since my main comp is in to service
[17:26] <plusEV> just want something running now
[17:26] <cfhowlett> plusEV: install win7 first makes dual boot SO much easier...
[17:26] <plusEV> y
[17:26] <plusEV> thats what im doing
[17:26] <plusEV> thx'ill be back
[17:26] <cfhowlett> OK
[18:23] <cfhowlett> *ahem*  exCUSE me for asking - again - but WHY is Audacity NOT in the default UStudio installation?  I would think that if anything, leave Ardour out of the default.  Just my $0.02 distro managers...
[18:34] <holstein> cfhowlett: agreed.. though there was a good reason for that i think
[18:35] <cfhowlett> holstein: assuming I meet the "target demographic", I'd be prepared to debate the wisdom...
[18:36] <holstein> cfhowlett: ill bring it up again, and i *totally* agree with you
[18:36] <holstein> cfhowlett: you want to /j #ubuntustudio-devel ?
[18:37] <cfhowlett> holstein: done.  Thanks for the suggestion.
[18:50] <cfhowlett> holstein: thanks again.  This kind of support/response makes contributing as a non-dev much more tangible.