[00:20] <mortal1> hello all.  I'm looking forward to the next LTS release.  I'm a bit leery of switching over to unity.  Is there anything wrong with installing ubuntu, then installing xubuntu-desktop?
[00:21] <mortal1> vs just installing xubuntu directly?
[00:28] <metasansana> mortal1: I wouldn't say there is anything wrong
[00:28] <metasansana> you just end up with more software
[00:28]  * mortal1 shrugs
[00:29] <mortal1> I can live with more software if it's easy to edit the menus down to the ones i use
[00:29] <mortal1> also, can you set buttons on your keyboard to hotkey programs?
[00:29] <metasansana> you would get a much cleaner install through xubuntu though
[00:30] <mortal1> i.e. I've modified my 'audio' keys to launch my favorite apps
[00:30] <metasansana> I never tried
[00:31] <metasansana> but under the Settings Manager>Keyboard
[00:31] <metasansana> an Application shortcut tab
[00:31] <mortal1> cool.  Thanks
[00:31] <metasansana> an Application shortcut tab
[00:32] <metasansana> whoops
[00:32] <metasansana> np
[00:32] <mortal1> hopefully installing 12 will go smoothly
[00:32] <metasansana> LTS?
[00:32] <mortal1> long term support, yeah
[00:32] <metasansana> Im cleaning up my laptop to prepare for it
[00:33] <metasansana> I'll probably do the same and install xfce, I don't understand unity much
[00:33] <mortal1> from a usabilty standpoint, it seems a step backwards from gnome and xfce
[00:34] <mortal1> but keep in mind, i'm on gnome 2.x
[00:34] <mortal1> i quite liked xfce when i used it on my friends laptop
[00:34] <mortal1> looks like I'll be returning
[00:35] <mortal1> is it true that xfce is going to use gnome vfs
[00:35] <metasansana> not sure
[00:35] <metasansana> I'm new to the xfce scene
[00:36] <mortal1> rgr
[00:36] <mortal1> well thanks for the help
[00:36] <metasansana> anytime
[02:04] <sp4z> hi i have a minimal ubuntu install running xfce4 and something that is really bugging me is that the windows buttons panel app doesn't shrink the buttons down to fit on the panel it just grows forever.. anyone know how to change this behaviour?
[02:05] <babble> sec, I'm opening a few windows to see if I can see what you're seeing.
[02:07] <babble> I'm uploading screenshots, but Window Buttons is shrinking buttons for me. Let me show you what I'm getting.
[02:07] <sp4z> i didn't install xubuntu-desktop package btw - just xfce4 trying to keep it as basic as possible
[02:07] <sp4z> ok cheers
[02:08] <babble> I don't *think* that makes a difference in this case - it's just the Xfce standard panel app?
[02:08] <sp4z> yeah
[02:08] <babble> k
[02:09] <babble> blarg, if these screenshots EVER upload.
[02:09] <babble> hehe
[02:09] <sp4z> :D
[02:10] <sp4z> xfce4-goodies may have the functionality i am after so i will try that while i wait (crosses fingers)
[02:10] <babble> I don't *think* so.
[02:11] <sp4z> hrm strange.. are you running straight xfce4 also?
[02:11] <babble> Goodies isn't installed by default (I think), and Window Buttons is in the generic installation.
[02:11] <sp4z> yeah
[02:11] <babble> No, I'm using xubuntu-desktop, but I don't think it makes a difference in this case.
[02:18] <sp4z> woops ctrl+alt f2'd and couldn't get back to x :S
[02:18] <babble> wb :)
[02:18] <babble> okay, here's two screenshots for comparison:
[02:18] <sp4z> nice ty
[02:18] <babble> unshrunk buttons: http://ubuntuone.com/0htYDLI2b84Uqffua7Q8SV
[02:19] <babble> shrunk buttons: http://ubuntuone.com/4wz5tHQhqdLi1Cuuq4Hj83
[02:19] <babble> is this close to the problem you're having?
[02:20] <sp4z> yeah it is but its fixed now :D
[02:21] <babble> haha
[02:21] <babble> was goodies a fix?
[02:21] <babble> I didn't think there was a different version of Window Buttons in tips, but I didn't check (there may be)
[02:22] <babble> (different version in goodies, I should say)
[02:22] <sp4z> yeah im not sure.. apparently it was a known bug
[02:22] <babble> heh. now I want to find out.
[02:22] <sp4z> so must have been updated in goodies but not main xfce4
[02:22] <babble> lemme go see what's in goodies
[02:24] <babble> hrm.
[02:24] <sp4z> ?
[02:24] <babble> windowlist is in Goodies, but Buttons is in plain ole Xfce
[02:24] <babble> unless there's a panel fix that gets installed in Goodies?
[02:24] <babble> heh. Now I really do want to find out what changed :)
[02:24] <sp4z> is windowlist called by buttons at all?
[02:25] <sp4z> i don't understand how that could have fixed it..
[02:26] <babble> Windowlist I don't *think* depends on anything in buttons.
[02:26] <babble> you can run either or neither
[02:26] <babble> actually, hm. I dunno for certain what I'm looking for but lemme kill buttons and see what stays running
[02:26] <babble> hehe
[02:26] <sp4z> oic.. interesting
[02:26] <babble> it's really going to bug me all night now ;)
[02:26] <sp4z> :D
[02:28] <babble> ok, yeah
[02:28] <babble> you can kill Buttons entirely and Windowlist does its thing
[02:28] <sp4z> perhaps a lib was updated?
[02:29] <babble> hm. Maybe.
[02:29] <babble> Lemme go grab Goodies and see what all is in there
[02:29] <babble> (in any event, I'm glad Goodies was a fix for you)
[02:30] <sp4z> yeah cheers for the help :D what command did you use to kill goodies btw? i dont know how to find the pid of applets
[02:30] <Unit193> pidof program  (at terminal)
[02:30] <sp4z> oic cheers
[02:31] <babble> I just nuked the Buttons applet itself (right click in the blank area next to a Window button, and you can remove a running applet_
[02:31] <sp4z> oh ok cool
[02:32] <babble> here's everything that goodies depends on (everything that gets installed when you grab that metapackage):
[02:32] <babble> http://paste.ubuntu.com/841215/
[02:33] <babble> I *suppose*, without digging into each dependent package to see what's in there, that a panel lib is getting updated in there somewhere, but that seems odd.
[02:34] <babble> a panel update shouldn't depend on an optional install like Goodies.
[02:34] <sp4z> yeah it just may not have been ported to the xfce4 package if that is the reason
[02:35] <babble> I guess so, but that seems really odd.
[02:35] <sp4z> i'll get a vm going later today and see if i can replicate it then log a bug
[02:36] <babble> I want to see if I can get the same bug myself.
[02:36] <babble> heh.
[02:36] <babble> I'm going to puzzle over it all night now :)
[02:36] <babble> hehe
[02:36] <sp4z> lol :D
[02:36] <babble> in any case, WHATEVER goodies installed that seems to have fixed, I'm glad that was a fix for you
[02:37] <sp4z> yep cheers for the help much appreciated
[02:37] <babble> no worries :)
[02:37] <babble> I didn't really do anything at all
[02:38] <babble> hehe
[02:38] <sp4z> ;)
[02:40] <sp4z> this install is boatloads faster than standard xubuntu im glad i did it now. i was tossing up going to gentoo but the thought of waiting for compiles was not very attractive xD
[02:41] <babble> what did you install instead of xubuntu-desktop?
[02:41] <sp4z> well boatloads is probably an overestimate
[02:42] <sp4z> ubuntu server minimal command line then xfce4 and various apps i use for work on top of that
[02:43] <sp4z> and goodies also now to
[02:43] <babble> hehe
[02:43] <babble> do I want to bother with a server install? (on a laptop? heh. probably not)
[02:44] <sp4z> im on a laptop :D
[02:44] <babble> hmmmmmmmmm
[02:45] <babble> eh, Xubuntu is fast enough for me as is ;)
[02:45] <babble> every now and then I reinstall Unity to see if I want to live in it again.
[02:45] <babble> takes about a day or two to go back :)
[02:49] <sp4z> yeah no thanks.. i used it for about 5 seconds and was like urgh need to find something like old school gnome gave xubuntu a try and never went back
[02:50] <babble> I'm interested in where Ubuntu (or Gnome Shell) are eventually headed, but I don't want to live in either one day to day, yet
[02:50] <babble> erg, Unity, rather.
[02:50] <babble> (I'm batting 1000 tonight. hehe)
[02:51] <sp4z> o.O 1000?
[02:51] <babble> (oh, a sarcastic reference to batting averages I only barely understand)
[02:53] <babble> I like the *idea* of search as a primary interface metaphor, but I think I like it for televisions and tablets more than I do my work machine.
[02:53] <sp4z> yeah exactly
[02:53] <babble> (which more or less makes sense, I guess, if that's where Canonical sees a place it can eventually become profitable)
[03:16] <guest-DRpTWd> Guys I had ubuntu 11.04 installed and I did a fresh install of Xubuntu reformatting everything but my /home partition. Now my guest session works, however my main account shows a blank screen then brings me right back to the login screen when I try to enter it... Any ideas?
[03:17] <holstein> guest-DRpTWd: sure sounds like some incompatibility
[03:17] <holstein> i would probably get rid of "extras" if only temporarily, from the /home dir
[03:18] <guest-DRpTWd> holstein, I imagine there is some .hidden file causing the problem
[03:18] <guest-DRpTWd> what do you mean?
[03:18] <holstein> try and just keep what you want...
[03:18] <holstein> its likely just a few things, since .gnome stuff wont help
[03:19] <guest-DRpTWd> is there any .hidden files you would recommend I remove?
[03:19] <guest-DRpTWd> Also, why cant I sh username in the guest session?
[03:20] <holstein> guest-DRpTWd: no reason to keep any you dont need, so remove them all, if only temporarily to test
[03:20] <holstein> guest-DRpTWd: you mean, why cant you ssh into the guest session?... i dont think that is setup out-of-the-box
[03:21] <guest-DRpTWd> no I mean I am in the guest session right now
[03:21] <guest-DRpTWd> normally I could go into the terminal
[03:21] <holstein> you might have to boot with a live CD and remove stuff
[03:21] <guest-DRpTWd> and type in "sh username" and enter the users password
[03:21] <guest-DRpTWd> then I could simply act as that user
[03:22] <holstein> guest-DRpTWd: its likely the "guest" session is limited and for good reason
[03:22] <guest-DRpTWd> true ...
[03:22] <guest-DRpTWd> alright so mv them all somewhere else then
[03:23] <holstein> guest-DRpTWd: id say, anything in /home is up for grabs.. you cant make it much worse :)
[03:24] <guest-DRpTWd> how does this command sound:
[03:24] <guest-DRpTWd> mkdir tmpstoorageofhiddenfiles
[03:25] <guest-DRpTWd> wait how would I get the mv command only to move the folders and not everything?
[03:25] <guest-DRpTWd> I wanted to say mv ./* -R
[03:25] <guest-DRpTWd> but I dont think that will work
[03:25] <guest-DRpTWd> it will mv everything
[03:25] <guest-DRpTWd> I wanted to say mv ./.* -R
[03:25] <holstein> guest-DRpTWd: i would want to see that what i actually want is there
[03:26] <guest-DRpTWd> wait that will work :D
[03:27] <guest-DRpTWd> alright let me log back in Ill tell you what happened
[03:28] <brandon> alright running mkdir tmpfile
[03:28] <brandon> then
[03:28] <brandon> mv ./.* tmpfile
[03:28] <brandon> works!
[03:29] <holstein> cool... so its something in there then.. i would just grab what you actually want from in there manually
[03:29] <brandon> I agree
[03:29] <holstein> personally, i always kinda happy to "clear out the cobwebs"
[03:31] <brandon> Well I really had to get away from unity ang Gnome3 xfce is perfect, and I hope it doesnt follow the same route as the former two
[03:31] <brandon> *and
[03:41] <brandon> where is the "force quit" panel option ?
[03:43] <holstein> good question... i havent needed it yet in XFCE..
[03:46] <brandon> I just made a launcher and issued the command xkill so it works now :)
[03:46] <brandon> alright thanks for the help
[03:57] <cellarRat> hello, I need to know how to access files on my windows drive while booted in the xubuntu live cd
[03:59] <holstein> cellarRat: you should see the drive in the file manager.. just click on it and look... if you were having issues with windows and the drive is failing or bad, linux is *not* magic though
[04:01] <cellarRat> no, it will boot, but just buggy.  This is xubuntu 9.10... hold on running "mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt "
[04:08] <cellarRat> the command worked without a hitch, but drive still doesn't show in file manager
[04:08] <cellarRat> or rather it went to the next line without an issue. it still shows as "not mounted" within gparted
[04:09] <holstein> cellarRat: i would run sudo fdisk -l
[04:10] <holstein> i would mkdir /something/ill/remember ..then sudo mount it to that dir using /dev/sd*
[04:10] <cellarRat> /dev/sda1   *           1        6946    55793713+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[04:10] <cellarRat> /dev/sda2            7584       14593    56307825    7  HPFS/NTFS
[06:27] <uofm49426> anyone tell me how to install compix and have a tittle bar still
[06:28] <uofm49426> sorry compiz
[10:06] <Seryth> TheSheep: Good morning :)
[10:06] <TheSheep> hi Seryth
[10:07] <Seryth> TheSheep: I've been doing some tests. I think lightdm is the problem, because when I boot up normally, I can't do startxfce4, because it says x is already running. However, if I do `sudo process lightdm stop`, and then `startxfce4`, everything works correctly...
[10:08] <Seryth> TheSheep: ...everything works correctly, including the nvidia drivers; my resolution is correct now
[10:09] <TheSheep> Seryth: you might try replacing lightdm with gdm
[10:10] <Seryth> TheSheep: Yeah, I thought of replacing lightdm, but I'm not sure what with? Gdm? `apt-get install gdm && apt-get remove lightdm`?
[10:10] <Seryth> brb
[10:12] <TheSheep> Seryth: I think you don't even have to remove lightdm
[10:12] <TheSheep> apt-get install gdm should ask you which one to use by default
[10:19] <Seryth> Back.
[10:19] <Seryth> Okay, great.
[10:42] <Seryth> TheSheep: Right, well gdm finished installing, so I reckon it's restart time.....again!
[10:44] <Seryth> I'll be back in a min.
[10:52] <Seryth> TheSheep: :D
[10:52] <Seryth> TheSheep: Yup, it was lightdm
[10:52] <Seryth> It's all working fine and dandy now :)
[10:53] <Seryth> TheSheep: Thankyouthankyouthankyou :P
[12:53] <duelle> Hi, can anybody tell me how my file recovery chances for an encrypted volume are, if the partition table is broken? Seems as if the partition table was resized :( Made an ddrescue image of it yet. But don't know how to get the partition back.
[13:30] <Lint> is it 'shubuntu' or 'hubuntu'?
[13:30] <Lint> also when 4.10?
[13:31] <Myrtti> whut?
[13:31] <Lint> how xubuntu reads itself, and when xfce 4.10?
[13:32] <Myrtti> oh, now it makes sense
[13:34] <Pici> I've always pronounced it zoobuntu
[13:35] <Myrtti> ksubuntu
[13:35] <Myrtti> I have no idea
[13:36] <Seryth> I say "ex - ubuntu" lol
[13:37] <Myrtti> I am intrigued by how it would be pronounced in xhosa
[13:49] <Lint> will 12.04 have new xfce 4.10?
[15:20] <mnour> Hi
[15:21] <mnour> I have a  problem
[15:21] <mnour> I got a new Dell Precision M4600 and I just installed Xbuntu 11.10 on it
[15:21] <mnour> whenever I reboot Xbuntu hangs on the splash screen
[15:21] <mnour> any clues ?
[15:23] <holstein> mnour: i would want to look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions and try "nomodeset" from a LIVE cd... i would think it *could* be graphics card driver related
[15:23] <mnour> holstein: Thanks  I will have a look at that link
[15:31] <foobArrr> hi there. how do i turn off display mirroring? i don't see an option for that in the settings->display.
[15:32] <holstein> foobArrr: i use arandr
[15:33] <mnour> holstein: I did what you suggested but still, from what I can see the problem is in killing the remaining processes it is marked as [fail]
[15:33] <mnour> any other hints :) ?
[15:33] <holstein> mnour: it?
[15:34] <mnour> it ?
[15:34] <mnour> ah the console output
[15:34] <mnour> when I reboot
[15:34] <holstein> mnour: i dont know what you mean by "it" is marked as fail
[15:34] <mnour> I get this message on the text console when I press Esc key to make the splash screen disappear
[15:35] <holstein> i dont know what processes either, but i would try from the live CD, getting to the desktop.. i would try *all* the options under F6.. "nomodeset", "noacpi" or whatever
[15:35] <holstein> from the install you made, you can try getting to TTY, logging in, and upgrading via a wired connection
[15:35] <mnour> * Killing all remaining processes...                    [fail]
[15:35] <foobArrr> holstein, thank you
[15:48] <vandal-> Starting without administrative privileges - You will not be able to apply any changes. But you can still export the marked changes or create a download script for them.
[15:48] <vandal-> what is this?
[15:48] <vandal-> and why it shows up when i log in ?
[15:49] <holstein> vandal-: that looks like something i would expect to see from synaptic...
[15:50] <vandal-> right, synaptic was open last sessionand it started automatically
[15:51] <holstein> vandal-: i think you have the "remember session" checkbox checked or whatever its called, and synaptic is complaining since you did not put in your administrative password for that session
[15:51] <vandal-> where exactly can i find this checkbox?
[15:52] <holstein> vandal-: i see it at shutdown... "save this session"
[15:52] <vandal-> ah, here it is. thanks
[16:17] <vandal-> still cant solve problem with drivers.. http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html it says i should use 96.43.x but this version definitly isnt working fine for me
[16:18] <holstein> vandal-: i would use the one in the repos first, and go from there
[16:19] <holstein> but, i dont do 3d or gaming, so the vesa driver is always an option for me too... sometimes i use a knoppix live CD, and grab the xorg.conf from there (if it looks good) and change the driver to vesa :)
[16:22] <vandal-> i dont care much about gaming or 3d. problem is even with web browser scrolling page slow, or when i move window its slow and not smooth at all
[16:23] <vandal-> same with drawing menus etc
[16:23] <vandal-> its just annoying, worked way better on lubuntu
[16:24] <holstein> well, it seems driver related, no?... i would load up a lubuntu live CD, and make a note of what pacakge you installed
[16:25] <vandal-> whats the difference between packages nvidia-96 and nvidia-96-dev?
[16:25] <holstein> vandal-: *-dev are just development packages AFAIK... you should need them unless they come up as dependancies
[16:27] <holstein> :/ ... shouldnt**
[16:27]  * holstein has more poor typing skillz than average today
[17:34] <mclovin_> hi
[17:34] <mclovin_> I'm without title bar
[17:35] <mclovin_> Can someone help me?
[17:38] <mclovin_> someone here?
[17:47] <mclovin_> can someone help me?
[17:51] <Marzata> mclovin_: avkoz
[17:51] <mclovin_> what?
[17:52] <mclovin_> in english please
[17:55] <mclovin_> the title bar of windows is not showing up
[17:55] <mclovin_> someone can  help me?
[17:58] <mclovin_> the title bar of windows is not showing up
[17:58] <Sebastien> of windows ?
[17:58] <Sebastien> you know you are on #xubuntu right ?
[17:58] <mclovin_> no man, in xubuntu
[17:58] <Sebastien> what window ?
[17:58] <mclovin_> all windows
[17:59] <mclovin_> since i've been enable the compiz
[17:59] <KrisDouglas> What he is trying to say, is the window decorator is not showing up.
[17:59] <mclovin_> ok
[18:00] <KrisDouglas> Allow me one moment, do you know how to open a terminal/
[18:00] <KrisDouglas> ?
[18:00] <mclovin_> yes
[18:01] <KrisDouglas> ok
[18:01] <KrisDouglas> in a terminal
[18:01] <KrisDouglas> type compiz --replace
[18:01] <KrisDouglas> see if it brings any messages up
[18:03] <mclovin_> yes
[18:03] <mclovin_> a lot of menssagens
[18:05] <mclovin_> kde4-window-decorator: Could not enable decorations on display ":0.0"
[18:05] <mclovin_> kde4-window-decorator: Could not enable decorations on display ":0.0"
[18:06] <mclovin_> QGtkStyle was unable to detect the current GTK+ theme.
[18:08] <mclovin_> hi
[18:12] <mclovin_> hello
[18:25] <duelle_> Hi, how do I change settings for the login screen on xubuntu 11.10? I would like to force the user to enter the username instead of choosing from a list.
[18:36] <holstein> duelle_: i would just use a greeter more like what you are looking for
[18:51] <duelle_> holstein, What do you mean with greeter? Under ubuntu i had some kind of settings menu where i could set this stuff as far as i remember
[18:53] <holstein> duelle_: you might be able to scare up some GUI settings manager, but im not aware of one.. i would just switch to a greeter that'll do what you like... maybe just switch to the greeter you used before if its still around
[18:54] <duelle_> holstein, Sorry - i still don't really get what you mean with "greeter"... how do i see which ones i can switch to?
[18:59] <holstein> duelle_: i think this is lightdm.. im reading at http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/lightdm/2011-October/000155.html
[18:59] <holstein> i would look in /etc/lightdm/users.conf and see what the options are for *not* showing user names
[19:00] <holstein> you can pastebin that file if you'd like, and i'll give it a look :)
[19:01] <duelle_> holstein, looks quite short http://www.pastebin.com/hecKw39e
[19:03] <duelle_> greeter-hide-users=true in lightdm.conf. from that mailing-list looks quite good
[19:03] <holstein> duelle_: just make a backup, or know what you changed, and how to change it via a LIVE cd, and you can "break" it :)
[19:04] <holstein> you cant*
[19:05] <duelle_> Works great ;) just added that line to lightdm.conf
[19:06] <duelle_> holstein, May i ask how you solve the thunar-network-share thing? Gigolo is kind of workaround ... but is there another way to mount shares directly from thunar?
[19:06] <duelle_> All stuff I read yet didn't work ...
[19:06] <TheSheep> sshfs works great
[19:06] <holstein> duelle_: cool.. if you want, post it on a blog or twitter somewhere.. what you did :) sudo nano /etc/lightdm/users.conf - add greeter-hide-users=true - enjoy :)
[19:08] <holstein> duelle_: i actually quite enjoy and prefer gigolo these days, but i say, dont waste too much time trying to make thunar nautilus.. just use nautilus if you prefer it
[19:08] <duelle_> TheSheep, What exactly does sshfs do? Do I have to do anything else to get it working?
[19:09] <holstein> duelle_: i would read something like http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=6401 becuase you dont want to use nautilus "as-is" in XFCE
[19:09] <TheSheep> it just mounts an external directory through ssh
[19:09] <TheSheep> you just need to be able to log in with ssh to the other host
[19:10] <duelle_> holstein, Tried the replacing thing - but it changed the desktop stuff too ... but i see thats mentioned in the link you posted. Will have a look at it. Thanks!
[19:10] <duelle_> TheSheep, Unfortunately I think that i mostly would use it for windows shares .. where i cant login via ssh afaik
[19:10] <holstein> TheSheep: do you have a command that you personally use handy?.. im looking at man sshfs, but i like to see how others use things (if you dont mind)
[19:11] <TheSheep> holstein: just sshfs sheep@otherhost:path/to/the/dir local/dir
[19:11] <TheSheep> holstein: I usually have ssh keys there, so it doesn't need a password
[19:12] <holstein> TheSheep: cool.. i use scp sometimes... i loosely understand the :'s
[19:12] <TheSheep> yeah, scp is great too
[19:12] <holstein> TheSheep: you can connect if there is a password though correct?
[19:12] <TheSheep> if you just want to copy stuff and not run a program in that dir
[19:12] <TheSheep> yes
[19:12] <TheSheep> it will ask you for password
[19:12] <holstein> i have both pass and key'd ssh shares
[19:12] <duelle_> holstein, just for my understanding: You use gigolo and have to enter all the data manually eacht time you want to mount a win-share?
[19:13] <holstein> duelle_: well, i do ssh mostly.. i even make windows share via ssh and connect too (when that rarely comes up)
[19:13] <TheSheep> windows is pure pain :(
[19:14] <holstein> i setup samba more to just say that i could, and to see it done.. otherwise, on my systms, i make windows speak to linux, not the other way around
[19:14] <duelle_> holstein, How do you connect to a windows share via ssh?  Did you install a ssh-server on win?
[19:14] <holstein> duelle_: basically
[19:15] <duelle_> TheSheep, oh yeah...installed win7 for the first time today. .. when i had to get the wifi-stick-drivers via another pc i remarked what easy linux can be^^
[19:16] <TheSheep> it's not always easy, but at least I'm in control
[19:16] <TheSheep> I can *see* what is happening
[19:16] <holstein> http://sourceforge.net/projects/swish/ for example.. or stfp servers on windows.. hwatever it takes to *not* deal with samba from a windows machine
[19:16] <baizon> have to agree with TheSheep
[19:16] <holstein> whatever*
[19:16] <TheSheep> with windows it's just trying random stuff and praying
[19:17] <TheSheep> in my experience, of course
[19:17] <duelle_> holstein, TheSheep, Thanks a lot! I'll give it a try with the ssh server on win. Wasn't a fan of samba either...
[20:20] <gil08> is there anyone who could help me out with configuring my ati catalyst control center? Whenever I want to apply changes in there, it does nothing after rebooting my system ... I am running a setup with 2 monitors, monitor 1 (1920x1080) and monitor 2 (1280x1024) should create a "big screen", that makes it possible to drag stuff from one screen to the other in one workspace. In the past I've used Xinerama for it, but I still don't understand as to how exactly
[20:20] <gil08>  I should configure my ati settings for it to work
[20:22] <gil08> my CCC detects both screens, it even says that it creates a multi-display desktop with my 2 displays, but in reality it doesnt, it just sticks my 1280x1024 screen right on top (left top) of my 1920x1080 and duplicates it to my smaller screen ... I've tried so many things but I ran out of things to try ...
[20:26] <gil08> I just don't understand how it can be this troublesome to use two monitors to make your screen bigger
[20:50] <duelle> gil08, So you set it up big screen with the small screen extending the big one but the ati-tool just mirrors the output?
[20:51] <duelle> gil08, So you see the same output on both monitors?
[20:54] <gil08> duelle, no just the opposite
[20:55] <gil08> duelle, what I want is exactly like windows' "extend" functionality for dual screens, 1 workspace that stretches over 2 screens
[20:55] <gil08> so that I can basically drag a window from my left screen to my right screen
[20:56] <baizon> gil08: try arandr
[20:56] <gil08> baizon, no, arandr does not work, I obviously tried.
[20:57] <baizon> gil08: only 1 option workd for me
[20:57] <baizon> with ati and dual screen
[20:57] <gil08> baizon, arandr is just a GUI to organize your usable screen space
[20:57] <baizon> gil08: sudo aticonfig --initial=dual-head --screen-layout=right
[20:57] <baizon> aticonfig --overlay-on=1
[20:57] <baizon> Restart X Server.
[20:57] <baizon> aticonfig --xinerama=on
[20:57] <baizon> that works for me
[20:58] <gil08> baizon, that's how I have it now, Xinerama=on is the only way it works for me as well
[20:58] <baizon> yes
[20:58] <baizon> tryd may other ways but that didnt work
[20:58] <gil08> ok so I am not the only one
[20:58] <baizon> crappy ati drivers :(
[20:58] <baizon> the open source drivers works perfectly
[20:58] <gil08> aye, this one (the laptop I am typing on right now) uses nvidia drivers, way better
[20:58] <baizon> but they doesnt support hdmi audio yet
[20:59] <gil08> the radeon drivers? Havent tried em yet
[20:59] <baizon> yes nvidia linux drivers are really way better
[21:00] <gil08> where do I get the open source radeon drivers? What package is it? Because I am fed up using fglrx or the .run file you download off of amd.com
[21:01] <baizon> gil08: what graphics card do you got?
[21:01] <gil08> baizon, RADEON HD4870
[21:01] <gil08> on my computer, the one I'm having issues with
[21:03] <baizon> hmm
[21:03] <baizon> you have to use the standard ati
[21:03] <gil08> yeah that's what I ended up doing
[21:03] <baizon> radeon package only supports 5000 and 6000 series
[21:04] <gil08> where did you get that info? Might be useful to check up on for future purposes
[21:04] <baizon> gil08: http://www.x.org/wiki/radeon
[21:06] <gil08> baizon, I think you misread, RadeonHD only supports HD5xxx-7xxx
[21:06] <baizon> yes thats what i wrote 4 lines up
[21:07] <gil08> baizon, RadeonHD != Radeon afaik
[21:07] <gil08> they're 2 different projects
[21:07] <gil08> or I must have gotten confused by the stuff I've read
[21:07] <baizon> gil08: yes but radeonhd doesnt exist anymore :)
[21:08] <gil08> it doesn't, thought it still did
[21:08] <baizon> "Linux distributions, including Novell's openSUSE, have now abandoned radeonhd as the default driver, instead using the radeon driver. "
[21:09] <baizon> gil08: no official package for ubuntu
[21:09] <gil08> yeah seems I have to build it from git if I want to use it, right?
[21:10] <baizon> yes
[21:11] <baizon> i do not recommend it
[21:11] <gil08> yeah especially because I cant find a x64 guide or anything mentioned about x64 at all really ...
[21:12] <gil08> and I just happen to be on oneiric x64
[21:12] <gil08> I think I'll just keep my xinerama for the time being ... it's not great though
[21:13] <baizon> yes i think
[21:13] <gil08> baizon, don't know if the same thing happens to you when you run the xinerama settings but I can't use my Xfce4 Display settings for example
[21:13] <gil08> just tells me "Unable to query the version of the RandR extension being used"
[21:13] <baizon> yes i know
[21:14] <baizon> and the ccc gui doesnt work either
[21:14] <gil08> ah k, so it's not like I'm the only person having these issues
[21:14] <gil08> makes me a bit happier atleast
[21:14] <baizon> just the aticonfig works well
[21:14] <gil08> yeah gotta run gksudo amdcccle :P
[21:14] <gil08> but the actual GUI does nothing
[21:14] <gil08> so yeah, only aticonfig to play with ... and just editing xorg.conf directly
[21:14] <baizon> indeed
[21:15] <gil08> just wish they'd move over to KMS already
[21:15] <baizon> wish amd will do better with drivers for linux :(
[21:15] <gil08> just a pain using xorg.conf, not very flexible either
[21:16] <gil08> yeah, this laptop has 0 trouble running dual screens and using projectors etc, just gotta use arandr when I want to change my viewports
[21:17] <gil08> ahh well, at least you gave me confirmation that the problem was not me doing something wrong
[21:17] <baizon> :)
[21:44] <mang0> artao: o/