| * ScottK is working on packaging the quassel beta. | 00:04 | |
| yofel | k, uploaded a hopefully working digikam now | 00:09 |
|---|---|---|
| * yofel is off to bed before he falls asleep on his keyboard - good night | 00:09 | |
| ScottK | Uploaded | 00:49 |
| === koolhead17|zzZZ is now known as koolhead17 | ||
| Tm_T | moin | 05:52 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: em should be in testers factoid | 05:54 |
| Tm_T | hmh, but isn't, readded | 05:56 |
| agateau | yofel_: thanks for the link to sheytan mockup! | 07:58 |
| agateau | Riddell: yofel_: if you open lightdm kcm you can pick other themes. One of them looks like this: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/15/preview.png | 07:59 |
| agateau | Riddell: yofel_: it should be doable to tweak it to look more like sheytan mockup. | 07:59 |
| === fenris is now known as Guest77257 | ||
| === Guest77257 is now known as ejat | ||
| peace | mmm facebook gmail on telepathy kde gives me error | 09:39 |
| Riddell | !testers | 09:39 |
| ubottu | Testing help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, em | 09:39 |
| Riddell | 10.04.4 candidates need testing :) | 09:39 |
| peace | xD Riddell | 09:39 |
| Riddell | peace: they both give the same error? what error? | 09:40 |
| peace | unknown error :S | 09:40 |
| Tm_T | peace: any logs? | 09:40 |
| peace | i am going to paste | 09:40 |
| Riddell | what do you do to get that unhelpful error? | 09:40 |
| peace | btw msn works .. | 09:40 |
| peace | :) just tried to login on facebook and gmail | 09:41 |
| peace | Riddell: [61034.563893] type=1400 audit(1329298359.018:21): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" parent=11737 profile="/usr/lib/telepathy/mission-control-5" name="/tmp/" pid=11738 comm="mission-control" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=1000 ouid=0 | 09:41 |
| Tm_T | apparmor? nice | 09:41 |
| peace | i guess it's this | 09:41 |
| Riddell | peace: does ~/.cache/ exist? | 09:42 |
| peace | checkin | 09:42 |
| peace | Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/15/plasma-desktopPw1803.png | 09:43 |
| Riddell | ok so not that problem | 09:46 |
| micahg | owner @{HOME}/.cache/.mc_connections rw, | 09:48 |
| micahg | owner @{HOME}/.{cache,config}/dconf/user rw, | 09:48 |
| micahg | /tmp isn't allowed in the mission-control profile | 09:48 |
| peace | very symilar ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-mission-control-5/+bug/816554 | 09:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 816554 in telepathy-mission-control-5 (Ubuntu Oneiric) "apparmor="DENIED" when launching tp-butterfly" [Low,Fix released] | 09:49 |
| micahg | no, that was for the other profile in the file | 09:51 |
| Riddell | peace: dunno probably needs a kde-telepathy person to diagnose, are you on precise? | 09:53 |
| micahg | you could try adding explicit denials for /tmp in the telepathy part of the profile to see if it works | 09:53 |
| peace | Riddell: 12.04 yep | 09:53 |
| micahg | oops, I meant the mission control part | 09:53 |
| peace | btw i have done this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-mission-control-5/+bug/932626 | 10:10 |
| ubottu | Error: launchpad bug 932626 not found | 10:10 |
| yofel_ | agateau: nice, IMO that looks nicer for a home system. The current login screen is too dry, but better for networks as it scales better. | 10:11 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| agateau | yofel: agreed | 10:11 |
| agateau | yofel: default is easy to change (either upstream or at packaging level) | 10:12 |
| micahg | peace: thanks, I"ll have someone look at it in a few hours | 10:21 |
| Riddell | agateau: same problem on that arm build issue in kdecoration_plugins.h http://paste.kde.org/422780/ | 10:49 |
| Riddell | it needs something casted to something to avoid using a double | 10:50 |
| Riddell | or just drop the compiz kde stuff | 10:50 |
| * Riddell goes to find other kde people familiar with arm | 10:50 | |
| Riddell | NCommand1r: would your elite c++ skills be able to suggest a way forward on that? ^^ | 10:50 |
| agateau | Riddell: is it failing on the variantListFromStringList() method? | 10:51 |
| agateau | (method name from memory) | 10:51 |
| Riddell | hmm let me double check | 10:51 |
| Riddell | agateau: it says line 355 which is the second one as I've split it | 10:53 |
| Riddell | return create(classname, 0, parent, vargs, QString()); | 10:53 |
| Riddell | oh no it's not | 10:53 |
| Riddell | it's the first one | 10:53 |
| Riddell | QVariantList vargs = stringListToVariantList(args); | 10:53 |
| * agateau looks at the implementation of this method | 10:53 | |
| Riddell | /usr/include/kpluginfactory.h KDE_DEPRECATED QObject *create( ... | 10:54 |
| Riddell | "cast from 'QList<QVariant>::Node*' to 'QVariant*'" this would never happen if compiz was coded in python! | 10:55 |
| agateau | :) | 10:55 |
| agateau | so the compiler does not like putting the return value of stringListToVariantList back into vargs. mmm. | 10:57 |
| Riddell | not on a platform without double, it's fine on !arm | 10:57 |
| Riddell | it's also a recent issue in code that I don't think has changed so it'll be gcc being more fussy | 10:58 |
| agateau | what is strange is there is no qreal or double involved in this code | 10:58 |
| Riddell | but it must be thinking something is a double | 10:58 |
| Riddell | which it can't cast to | 10:58 |
| agateau | the error message does not talk about double at all | 10:59 |
| agateau | error: cast from 'QList<QVariant>::Node*' to 'QVariant*' increases required alignment of target type [-Werror=cast-align] | 10:59 |
| Riddell | what does this mean "increases required alignment of target type " ? | 10:59 |
| agateau | I think it has to do with how members in a struct are placed in memory | 11:00 |
| agateau | on x86 you want your members to be aligned on 4-byte boundaries for faster access | 11:00 |
| agateau | compiler usually takes care of that | 11:00 |
| Riddell | oh so it's some obscure cast I don't understand, hmm | 11:01 |
| agateau | One solution^Wwork-around would be to disable the "cast-align" error, but I guess it would open a whole new can of worms | 11:01 |
| Riddell | I'm tempted to say "drop the compiz kde plugins, nobody uses them" | 11:02 |
| Riddell | unless Mek pops up or I can find someone else who knows about ARM | 11:02 |
| agateau | that is probably wiser | 11:03 |
| agateau | or port the code not to use the deprecated methods? (not sure that would fix it) | 11:04 |
| Riddell | or that but I've no desire to start porting code for stuff we don't care about | 11:04 |
| agateau | heh | 11:04 |
| agateau | ill-baby duties... have to go | 11:04 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: where did you get the KDE theme ? | 11:22 |
| shadeslayer | for light dm | 11:22 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: wasnae me, ask agateau and d_ed | 11:22 |
| shadeslayer | oh ok | 11:22 |
| === apol_ is now known as apol | ||
| apol | hey, is it possible to make 386 debs from an amd64 system? | 12:27 |
| Riddell | apol: yes, it needs a debootstrap chroot | 12:27 |
| Riddell | you can also use ec2 | 12:28 |
| apol | hm | 12:28 |
| apol | ok | 12:28 |
| * apol googles debootstrap chroot | 12:28 | |
| shadeslayer | !debootstrap | 12:28 |
| ubottu | debootstrap is used to create a !Debian or Ubuntu base system from scratch, without requiring the availability of !dpkg or !APT. It does this by downloading !.deb files from a mirror site, and carefully unpacking them into a directory you can eventually !chroot into. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot for more information | 12:28 |
| shadeslayer | omg ubottu you're back | 12:29 |
| * shadeslayer huggles ubottu | 12:29 | |
| apol | xD you summoned him! | 12:29 |
| apol | thanks ubottu :D | 12:29 |
| yofel | *her | 12:29 |
| jussi | shadeslayer: yeah, the machine she was on had a bit of a meltdown and we had to fixor it | 12:32 |
| apol | oh sorry, she's a lady | 12:33 |
| shadeslayer | jussi: seems like things got 'hot' on valentines day ;) | 12:33 |
| jussi | lol | 12:34 |
| yofel | heh | 12:34 |
| jussi | shadeslayer: wasnt too serious, just a read nly FS for some reason | 12:34 |
| peace | shadeslayer: => http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-m9uG50mSw | 12:34 |
| peace | xD | 12:34 |
| jussi | a quick fsck and a reboot helped | 12:34 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 12:34 |
| shadeslayer | a quick fsck .... right | 12:34 |
| === peace is now known as Peace- | ||
| Riddell | yay, working owncloud 3! http://ec2-50-16-158-30.compute-1.amazonaws.com/owncloud/ jr/kubuntu | 13:02 |
| Riddell | at last our own community music system :) | 13:03 |
| Riddell | (works best in firefox) | 13:04 |
| Peace- | Riddell: i am in xd | 13:05 |
| Riddell | Peace-: I recommend The Banana Sessions, fun music | 13:06 |
| Peace- | xD | 13:06 |
| Riddell | interface needs a little patience while you wait for the music to start streaming and some files won't work (no mp3 in firefox?) | 13:06 |
| rbelem | Riddell, can i haz access? | 13:08 |
| Peace- | i have installed ownstuffin my computer too it works fine :D | 13:08 |
| rbelem | :-D | 13:08 |
| Peace- | rbelem: well he wrote the useandpass | 13:08 |
| Riddell | rbelem: jr/kubuntu | 13:08 |
| rbelem | ops... | 13:08 |
| rbelem | thanks | 13:08 |
| Peace- | mm i have tried to copy the chakra layout for panels :) http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/15/plasma-desktoprP1803.png | 13:10 |
| Riddell | very unity like at the bottom | 13:11 |
| Riddell | how do you do that? | 13:11 |
| Peace- | Riddell: javascripting collection of plasma panels :D | 13:11 |
| Riddell | aah | 13:12 |
| Peace- | icontasks customized | 13:12 |
| Peace- | Riddell: http://code.google.com/p/kde-peace-settings/source/browse/Plama-Panels-Collection/usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma/layout-templates/org.kde.plasma-desktop.chakranspiredPanel/contents/layout.js | 13:13 |
| apachelogger_ | yofel: one has only so much time per day :P | 13:13 |
| Peace- | Riddell: btw good music :D | 13:14 |
| Riddell | Peace-: it's from Scotland, we make the best music :) | 13:16 |
| === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch | ||
| Ezim | are we changning to lightdm for 12.04? | 13:38 |
| Riddell | no | 13:38 |
| Ezim | Riddell, :) good. | 13:40 |
| Tm_T | a strange question | 13:42 |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | 10.04.4 needing testing | top Scottish music http://ec2-50-16-158-30.compute-1.amazonaws.com/owncloud/ jr/kubuntu | http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-kubuntu.html TODOs! | Kubuntu is alive and weller than before!! Read:http://wp.me/pQ8xr-gr | ||
| apachelogger_ | yofel, debfx: gtk stuff in yet? | 13:53 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: owncloud in yet? | 13:53 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning all | 13:55 |
| BluesKaj | major update/upgrade today | 13:59 |
| BluesKaj | for 12.04 that is | 14:00 |
| Ezim | BluesKaj, did every thing went good? | 14:01 |
| BluesKaj | still updating | 14:01 |
| Riddell | apachelogger_: just uploaded | 14:02 |
| Riddell | apachelogger_: tried it out? | 14:02 |
| Ezim | BluesKaj, hope it goes well. | 14:03 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: ah, the one on amazon is from packages? | 14:04 |
| Riddell | apachelogger_: yes | 14:04 |
| BluesKaj | i don't have a superfast connection , capped at 750kb/s | 14:04 |
| apachelogger_ | oho | 14:04 |
| Ezim | BluesKaj, I have 10/10 :). | 14:05 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: btw, lightdm works for simple things ^^ | 14:05 |
| apachelogger_ | dual screen setp -> fail for example | 14:05 |
| apachelogger_ | though I suspect that is the qml greeters fault | 14:05 |
| Riddell | apachelogger_: half a complement at least :) | 14:05 |
| Riddell | agateau: ^^ | 14:05 |
| apachelogger_ | yeah, it works WRT login :) | 14:05 |
| apachelogger_ | also the kcm is not working for me (the actual ldm settings that is) | 14:05 |
| apachelogger_ | anywho, we need to reengage upstream discussion as ossi claims to have no time for kdm anymore | 14:06 |
| apachelogger_ | so it looks like a dead-end now | 14:06 |
| Riddell | is there one? | 14:07 |
| BluesKaj | Ezim, new kernel 3.2.0-6 | 14:07 |
| * Peace- xD Banana sessions | 14:07 | |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: one = ? | 14:07 |
| BluesKaj | err 3.2.0-16 | 14:07 |
| Ezim | BluesKaj, cool. I will maybe compile myself new kernel (takes so damn long time on my laptop). | 14:08 |
| Riddell | apachelogger_: I found it but not in system settings | 14:08 |
| Riddell | agateau: that kcm needs keywords to search on and does it really exist in system settings? | 14:08 |
| BluesKaj | Ezim, no point in compiling new kernel , unless you like wearing hair shirts :) | 14:09 |
| Ezim | BluesKaj, hehe, its fun. :P | 14:09 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: are we still missing anything for feature freeze? | 14:11 |
| Ezim | with kwin effect running it seems adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin-properties-kde works much better then flashplugin-installer/downloader. | 14:11 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: I don't think the kcm is in systemsettings | 14:11 |
| apachelogger_ | even when searching for name I did not find it ^^ | 14:11 |
| Ezim | same for you guys/girls or only me? | 14:12 |
| Riddell | apachelogger_: kubuntu active, we have the packages, we need the seeds and cd image tweaks | 14:12 |
| Riddell | apachelogger_: kdevelop update | 14:13 |
| agateau | Riddell: apachelogger_: it appears in systemsettings for me, as "Login Manager" | 14:13 |
| Riddell | qtscriptgenerator we need 0.2.0 with Qt 4.8 | 14:13 |
| apachelogger_ | oh | 14:13 |
| apachelogger_ | then the desktop files might be wrong | 14:13 |
| apachelogger_ | as login manager I have kdm | 14:13 |
| Riddell | agateau: oh yes, it needs the same icon as KDM one else it's not recognisable, and it needs keywords so you can search | 14:14 |
| agateau | most of the kcm settings indeed do not work, we need to figure it out. I just rushed for FF to ensure at least the kcm writes the correct keys in lightdm config files | 14:14 |
| Riddell | agateau: are you able to take that upstream? | 14:14 |
| apachelogger_ | so my immediate guess would be that kdm and ldm have a too equal desktop file and kdm overloads it ^^ | 14:14 |
| Riddell | or are you the upstream? | 14:14 |
| agateau | Riddell: I am part of upstream, yes | 14:14 |
| Riddell | apachelogger_: "lightdm", "ldm" is something else | 14:14 |
| apachelogger_ | kde is the upstream :P | 14:15 |
| Riddell | apachelogger_: lightdm is sadly not part of kde as far as I know | 14:15 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: what is ldm then? | 14:15 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: the kde greeter is | 14:15 |
| apachelogger_ | so is the kcm | 14:15 |
| apachelogger_ | which are the parts we care about here :P | 14:15 |
| Riddell | apachelogger_: ldm is a remote login manager used on LTSP setups | 14:15 |
| agateau | Riddell: I am busy on something else for FF right now, if you have an update to the desktop file, I am happy to push it in | 14:16 |
| apachelogger_ | how very silly | 14:16 |
| Riddell | agateau: no I don't, just a note to get it done at some point is all it needs | 14:16 |
| agateau | Riddell: ok | 14:16 |
| * agateau adds a note | 14:16 | |
| BluesKaj | Ezim, on 64 bit one just needs to download the, "install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz" , and place the libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins , without using that clunky nswrapperplugin | 14:17 |
| agateau | apachelogger_: Riddell: so, "same icon as kdm kcm", "keywords", anything else? | 14:18 |
| apachelogger_ | ScottK: so we drop ubuntu language stuff? | 14:18 |
| Ezim | BluesKaj, I have flashplugin-alternative.so there. | 14:21 |
| === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback | ||
| Peace- | mm but the wallpaper of kde 4.8.... i am the only that is thinking it's ... horrible!? | 14:22 |
| Ezim | Peace-, I agree. | 14:22 |
| Riddell | agateau: and fix all the bugs please :) | 14:23 |
| Peace- | Ezim: i guess it's the worst i have ever seen | 14:23 |
| agateau | Riddell: that goes without saying! :) | 14:24 |
| Chomo | Peace-: its a 4:3 resolution wallpaper but i like it. not again a blue or blue+dark one | 14:24 |
| Riddell | so who's got good music we can listen to on the owncloud? | 14:24 |
| apachelogger_ | playback does not work here :( | 14:25 |
| Riddell | apachelogger_: firefox? | 14:25 |
| apachelogger_ | chrome | 14:25 |
| apachelogger_ | or chromium | 14:25 |
| apachelogger_ | or something | 14:25 |
| Riddell | apachelogger_: yeah it's buggy | 14:25 |
| apachelogger_ | kaput | 14:25 |
| apachelogger_ | more intersting is whether it works with rekonq ;) | 14:25 |
| Riddell | owncloud just uses the html 5 bits and I think only firefox is reliable with it | 14:25 |
| Riddell | I doubt it | 14:25 |
| apachelogger_ | and I really need to go buy something to eat now | 14:25 |
| BluesKaj | Ezim, , Peace- , you can always import your own wallpapers, or use your own photos | 14:26 |
| Peace- | BluesKaj: well ... i guess i know xD | 14:26 |
| BluesKaj | Riddell, the HTML5 trial on youtube runs well on chromium too | 14:30 |
| mikecb | one would hope so | 14:32 |
| Ezim | BluesKaj, true, but the kde 4.7* wallpaper is much nicer | 14:34 |
| Ezim | :P should be default in 12.04 | 14:34 |
| Ezim | also boot-splash not plymouth looks bad compare to 4.7 | 14:34 |
| Ezim | only dislikes I have with 4.8.* | 14:34 |
| BluesKaj | mikecb, have you tried rekonq on HTML5? ...not much point on flash sites | 14:36 |
| mikecb | nope | 14:37 |
| mikecb | it's not quite there for me yet | 14:37 |
| BluesKaj | unfortuntely it still needs some work alright | 14:38 |
| Riddell | it's not quite there for all but the hardest KDE fans, web browser is a notable lack in KDE's offering (ironically) | 14:38 |
| mikecb | didn't kde start webkit? | 14:38 |
| mikecb | (or it was forked from something kde did) | 14:39 |
| Peace- | khtml = | 14:39 |
| BluesKaj | konqueror has been abanodoned with a few fixes , it used to be my default browser for a while | 14:40 |
| Peace- | i have modified kio_httprc file to work better with google+ so konqueror works .... | 14:41 |
| Peace- | xD | 14:41 |
| BluesKaj | wa on a pure kde experiment during that time , 8.10 I think it was | 14:41 |
| mikecb | nice | 14:41 |
| Ezim | mikecb, I think apple started webkit. | 14:55 |
| mikecb | yeah, but they forked it from khtml | 14:56 |
| Ezim | mikecb, okey then you know more then me :). | 14:57 |
| mikecb | :) | 14:57 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: where is telepathy-qt4? I don't see it on http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/releases/telepathy-qt4/ | 15:55 |
| shadeslayer | because it's called telepathy-qt now :) | 15:55 |
| shadeslayer | http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/releases/telepathy-qt/ | 15:55 |
| Riddell | oh how confusing | 15:55 |
| shadeslayer | yeah | 15:55 |
| Riddell | http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/releases/telepathy-qt/ ? | 15:55 |
| shadeslayer | yep | 15:55 |
| shadeslayer | they switched only recently, which is why there is a bit of confusion everywhere | 15:56 |
| shadeslayer | old patches not applying because of the rename etc | 15:56 |
| Riddell | a shame they don't keep their wiki page up to date | 15:58 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: how's bug 932842 ? | 15:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 932842 in telepathy-qt4 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] telepathy-qt4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/932842 | 15:59 |
| shadeslayer | you have no idea how horribly outdated stuff is on freedesktop wikis | 15:59 |
| shadeslayer | looking | 15:59 |
| Riddell | also bug 932833 | 16:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 932833 in meta-kde-telepathy (Ubuntu) "[MIR] telepathy-kde" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/932833 | 16:00 |
| shadeslayer | looks good | 16:00 |
| shadeslayer | looking at the ktp MIR | 16:01 |
| Riddell | "You are not allowed to edit this page. " yeah, they need KDE's sysadmins at freedesktop | 16:01 |
| shadeslayer | that looks good as well | 16:01 |
| shadeslayer | :D | 16:01 |
| shadeslayer | freedesktop is weird, even their tracker is not very good | 16:01 |
| shadeslayer | fwiw Launchpad has a awesome bug tracker | 16:01 |
| Riddell | freedesktop has always been weird, it's a political football | 16:03 |
| shadeslayer | :( | 16:09 |
| Riddell | looking good for KDE here http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/uehs/no_updated.html | 16:10 |
| Riddell | or maybe we don't have decent watch file coverage, I've never used that site before | 16:10 |
| Riddell | hupnp is out of date but I don't think kde needs that currently | 16:10 |
| === alvin_ is now known as alvin | ||
| debfx | there are new upstream versions of shared-desktop-ontologies, digikam, virtuoso and phonon | 16:21 |
| Riddell | I'm doing virtuoso now | 16:22 |
| Riddell | yofel still on digikam? | 16:22 |
| Riddell | new cagibi too (well a year old actually) that explains the hupnp missing I guess | 16:23 |
| Riddell | phonon? tsk why don't we have a handy phonon upstream to poke us about that? | 16:23 |
| debfx | good question. an upstream developer who does the packaging himself would be even better | 16:26 |
| Riddell | drat debian don't document how they make virtuoso dfsg happy | 16:28 |
| debfx | Riddell: debian/gbp.conf has the filter list | 16:30 |
| debfx | ScottK: is quassel 0.8 beta usable? | 16:33 |
| Riddell | debfx: so it does, do you know what that file is for? | 16:37 |
| Riddell | hi koolhead17, see topic for owncloud fun | 16:37 |
| koolhead17 | Riddell: now this is awesome!! indeed :) | 16:39 |
| Riddell | koolhead17: I thought so, Scottish music is the best :) | 16:40 |
| koolhead17 | Riddell: you should have shared it with Frank too :) he would be super happy | 16:41 |
| Riddell | frank doesn't do irc alas | 16:41 |
| debfx | Riddell: it's a git-buildpackage config file. if you clone the git repository you can do git-import-orig X.orig.tar.gz | 16:41 |
| koolhead17 | Riddell: you want me to mail him for this fun!! :D hehe | 16:42 |
| Riddell | koolhead17: sure (although I'll take down the server when I get bored | 16:43 |
| shadeslayer | 0.o | 16:43 |
| shadeslayer | lightdm pulls in unity | 16:43 |
| Riddell | so upload more music to stop me getting bored! | 16:43 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: oh really? | 16:43 |
| Riddell | agateau: ^^ | 16:43 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: yes | 16:43 |
| koolhead17 | shadeslayer: unity in kubuntu ? :P | 16:43 |
| shadeslayer | brrrr | 16:43 |
| Riddell | lightdm isn't in kubuntu (yet) | 16:44 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/422996/ | 16:44 |
| Riddell | tsk tsk | 16:44 |
| agateau | Riddell: damn | 16:44 |
| shadeslayer | also, nautilus | 16:44 |
| shadeslayer | now we know what happens when you install nautilus on Kubuntu with KDE don't we | 16:45 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: no what happens? | 16:45 |
| shadeslayer | oh you don't know? | 16:45 |
| shadeslayer | last time I installed it, it started drawing the desktop | 16:45 |
| debfx | it probably wants a greeter and if you don't select one it pulls in the unity greeter | 16:45 |
| Ezim | why use nautilus when dolphin makes the job done? | 16:45 |
| shadeslayer | Ezim: you don't but lightdm pulls in nautilus which might try to act smart and associate itself with mimetypes | 16:46 |
| agateau | Riddell: lightdm recommends unity-greeter | lightdm-greeter | 16:46 |
| shadeslayer | so as soon as you click anot folder or something, boom | 16:46 |
| agateau | Riddell: but lightdm-kde-greeter provides lightdm-greeter, so it should be good, no? | 16:46 |
| shadeslayer | we don't have lightdm-kde-greeter | 16:47 |
| Ezim | shadeslayer, I see. | 16:47 |
| shadeslayer | not tyhat I can see anywa | 16:47 |
| shadeslayer | *not that I can see anyway | 16:47 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: oh you're just installing "lightdm"? | 16:47 |
| shadeslayer | yes | 16:47 |
| Riddell | well that explains it | 16:47 |
| Riddell | install lightdm-kde-greeter | 16:47 |
| shadeslayer | but we don't have lightdm-kde-greeter | 16:47 |
| shadeslayer | !info lightdm-kde-greeter | 16:47 |
| ubottu | Package lightdm-kde-greeter does not exist in oneiric | 16:47 |
| shadeslayer | !info lightdm-kde-greeter precise | 16:47 |
| ubottu | Package lightdm-kde-greeter does not exist in precise | 16:47 |
| shadeslayer | :( | 16:47 |
| * Riddell hunts in New | 16:48 | |
| shadeslayer | btw, anyone here know what the term 'Lateral Hiring' means? | 16:48 |
| agateau | rmadison lightdm-kde-greeter | 16:48 |
| agateau | lightdm-kde-greeter | 0.0.git20120214-0ubuntu1 | precise/universe | amd64, armel, armhf, i386 | 16:48 |
| shadeslayer | What I found on the internet doesn't quite go with the tone of the email I got :P | 16:49 |
| yofel | apachelogger_: gtk stuff is up | 16:49 |
| yofel | Riddell: well, fixing overwrite errors as I see them, otherwise done | 16:49 |
| Riddell | yofel: digikam? want me to look over it and upload? | 16:50 |
| yofel | doing another upgrade test, if that works fine shipit | 16:51 |
| ScottK | debfx: According to upstream. | 16:52 |
| ScottK | apachelogger_: Next cycle. Once we're in Univese is mostly goes away anyway. | 16:52 |
| yofel | Riddell: worked fine now, feel free to look at it | 16:57 |
| yofel | the diff is rather large as that's our first 2.X merge | 16:57 |
| Riddell | yofel: in ninjas? | 16:58 |
| yofel | yes | 16:58 |
| koolhead17 | Riddell: found frank online, shared it with him :P | 16:58 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: seems like it was stuck in new | 17:02 |
| shadeslayer | bbiab | 17:03 |
| shadeslayer | agateau: there's a weird bug in the line where you enter your username I think | 17:06 |
| shadeslayer | there's some sort of highlighting in the middle, that doesn't extend all the way to the sides | 17:06 |
| shadeslayer | other than that, it's awesome | 17:07 |
| agateau | shadeslayer: yes, that is super ugly | 17:07 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 17:07 |
| agateau | shadeslayer: seems like the image drawing the focus rect is broken | 17:07 |
| shadeslayer | hehe | 17:07 |
| shadeslayer | ah | 17:08 |
| shadeslayer | that's supposed to be the focus thing | 17:08 |
| shadeslayer | makes more sense now | 17:08 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: not there now | 17:12 |
| Ezim | one user in swedish loco (channel) have problem with wallpaper changning back to default when the person wants to use his own. | 17:14 |
| Ezim | I have never had this issue. | 17:14 |
| Ezim | bug? | 17:14 |
| Ezim | .kde/share/wallpapers should it be saved. correct? | 17:15 |
| BluesKaj | BBL | 17:18 |
| Ezim | bbl? | 17:18 |
| charlie-tca | ScottK: testing 10.04.4 desktop 64; when restarting from a live session, my monitor turns off and there is no prompt to hit enter to continue. This is, I believe, an old bug | 17:19 |
| yofel | Ezim: be back later | 17:23 |
| Ezim | yofel, okey :). | 17:24 |
| yofel | Ezim: sounds like bug 923188 if someone has time to figure out what's wrong | 17:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 923188 in Kubuntu PPA "Changed wallpapers without asking upon upgrade to 4.8.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923188 | 17:24 |
| Ezim | yofel, thx friend. | 17:25 |
| Ezim | yofel, for me its np. maybe something is wrong in usr/share/wallpapers | 17:27 |
| Ezim | ? | 17:27 |
| Ezim | yofel, this user uses kde 4.7.* | 17:27 |
| yofel | unlikely, that's where the wallpapers themselves are located. Not the settings | 17:27 |
| * yofel is clueless | 17:27 | |
| Ezim | yofel, but when apply choosen wallpaper the wallpaper is saved were? | 17:28 |
| Ezim | usr/share/wallpapers | 17:28 |
| Ezim | right? | 17:28 |
| yofel | no, a user has no write permissions for that folder | 17:28 |
| Ezim | or .kde/share/wallpapers | 17:28 |
| yofel | they'll end up somewhere in ~/ | 17:28 |
| yofel | don't ask me where | 17:28 |
| ScottK | charlie-tca: Yes. It is. | 17:30 |
| Ezim | yofel, it should be there. only logical place for me :). | 17:31 |
| yofel | Ezim: seems the wallpaper setting for me is in .kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc | 17:33 |
| yofel | Ezim: could you maybe ask him to provide his? (and check first if there's anything private in it) | 17:33 |
| yofel | and do check if the wallpaper file actually got stored somewhere. Mine is somewhere else and I imported it into the wallpaper selection screen later | 17:35 |
| Riddell | cool, dolphin search working nicely (before and after virtuoso upgrade) | 17:39 |
| Riddell | fun 94MB upload for virtuoso | 17:43 |
| Ezim | yofel, I think I understand | 17:45 |
| Ezim | I have to wallpapers (1 desktop +1 virt.) | 17:46 |
| Ezim | but I do not understand why one is 70 and one is 71 | 17:46 |
| Ezim | :) it was much easier then that. the user forgott to pick different graphical component... | 17:48 |
| Ezim | yofel, can it be so easy for that person also | 17:51 |
| Ezim | if he/she uses desktop/virtualdesktop | 17:52 |
| Ezim | http://imgur.com/HatL2 | 17:52 |
| Ezim | and have forgotten to mark it | 17:52 |
| Ezim | like my picture | 17:52 |
| Ezim | if you have 2-3 desktop and the thing is not marked it will not save wallpapers a person pick | 17:53 |
| Ezim | thats the why I have understand it | 17:53 |
| yofel | I don't have that checkbox checked | 18:01 |
| Ezim | yofel, and you are running how many desktop/virtual? | 18:04 |
| Ezim | different wallpaper in every one? | 18:04 |
| === koolhead17 is now known as koolhead17|afk | ||
| balloons | ok, gonna try and help do some iso testing.. I'm on a slow connection, so which isos need the most help.. aka, where can I make the most impact with the fewest iso downloads? :-) I have a 64-bit desktop to test with | 18:17 |
| yofel | welcome balloons | 18:18 |
| balloons | I'm speaking about the kubuntu 10.04.4 iso testing going on this week | 18:18 |
| balloons | hello yofel | 18:18 |
| yofel | balloons: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/207/builds - the desktop images have the most test cases | 18:18 |
| * yofel goes fetching the DVD's | 18:19 | |
| balloons | shall I take the 386 desktop and run thru it then? | 18:19 |
| yofel | sure, if you click on a testcase you'll find a link to the detailed test instructions for each test case | 18:20 |
| balloons | great.. about an hour to get the iso, then i can star ttesting.. time to grab some food | 18:21 |
| apachelogger_ | ScottK: re l10n, it depends, the gnome stuff still requires it so we need *some* sort of handling for it | 18:51 |
| === NCommand1r is now known as NCommander | ||
| === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger | ||
| ScottK | apachelogger: Yes, but Ubuntu is moving to some upstream thing next cycle, so we can still ditch at least some of the Ubuntuisms. | 19:36 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 19:36 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: thing? | 19:36 |
| apachelogger | wasn't the point of their own soup to easily deploy updates past release? :P | 19:37 |
| ScottK | They're ditching language selector. | 19:41 |
| ScottK | (next cycle) | 19:41 |
| ScottK | Since we're going to Universe (I assume), our stuff won't get stripped for language packs anymore. | 19:41 |
| ScottK | So I'm not sure what will be left of Ubuntu specific language stuff once we're done. | 19:42 |
| Ezim | our stuff won't get stripped for language packs anymore.<<<--- what does this mean? | 19:42 |
| ScottK | In Ubuntu the builders strip all the translations out of packages in Main so they can be built in to per language language packs. | 19:42 |
| ScottK | Since KDE already ships translations that way, it's been little benefit to Kubuntu. | 19:43 |
| Ezim | ScottK, so by moving to universe what will then happen? | 19:43 |
| ScottK | Then the translations won't get stripped out, so we can use the KDE language packs directly, just like we do in the PPAs. | 19:43 |
| ScottK | We know it works fine. | 19:43 |
| Ezim | ScottK, is that not a win situation for us? | 19:44 |
| ScottK | It is. | 19:44 |
| Ezim | okey then I understand :). | 19:44 |
| ScottK | I've wanted to ditch using the Ubuntu language pack infrastructure since 8.10. | 19:44 |
| Ezim | ScottK, :) there is a lot thing we can ditch. maybe instead of 6 month release cycle we can change to 8 month. | 19:45 |
| Ezim | or stuff like that | 19:45 |
| ScottK | No, not that. | 19:45 |
| ScottK | KDE is on 6 month cycles and so is Ubuntu. | 19:45 |
| yofel | can we drop most of our overly complicated language-pack preperation then? | 19:45 |
| ScottK | It'd be hard to mess with that. | 19:45 |
| Ezim | you guys knows things better. | 19:45 |
| ScottK | yofel: I think we can. | 19:45 |
| yofel | \o/ | 19:46 |
| yofel | Ezim: did you get an answer on your gpg question yet btw.? | 19:46 |
| Ezim | yofel, it was fixed :). | 19:46 |
| Ezim | it was like I thought | 19:46 |
| Ezim | so now he is happy kubuntu user | 19:46 |
| yofel | Ezim: no, I mean your name question for the gpg key | 19:47 |
| Ezim | yofel, I did not. | 19:47 |
| yofel | ScottK: do you know whether one *needs* to use his real name in a gpg key (other than to get it signed by someone else) | 19:47 |
| BluesKaj | what other ubuntu pinned structures can kde dump now that it's no longer officially supported by canonical ...looks like some silver lining benefits might evolve from this black cloud after , like streamlining kubuntu . ..no pun intended :) | 19:48 |
| BluesKaj | afterall | 19:48 |
| ScottK | yofel: There's no requirement. There's no requirement to use your real name to be involved in Ubuntu development. The only trick is it has to look like a name so no one will know it's obviously made up. | 19:49 |
| * Ezim soccer-match. | 19:49 | |
| ScottK | Launchpad is very concerned about appearances on launchpad accounts. Reality, not so much. | 19:49 |
| yofel | ah, thx | 19:50 |
| Ezim | ScottK, thats good then I can help haxxor. | 19:50 |
| debfx | ScottK: we have two problems if we opt out of translation stripping: we don't have translations for strings introduced by patches and the non kde sc packages will grow in size | 19:50 |
| Ezim | ScottK, I have launchpad account, but gpg-key I can use other name/mail. | 19:50 |
| Ezim | will chat with you guys/girls after match | 19:51 |
| ScottK | debfx: That's true, but if the packages are in Universe they won't be stripped whether we opt out or not. | 19:51 |
| apachelogger | Ezim: I have been saying all along that moving to universe is an epic win for us | 19:51 |
| apachelogger | cuts like half the BS we have in our workflows | 19:51 |
| Ezim | apachelogger, +1 | 19:51 |
| debfx | ScottK: no, launchpad support translation stripping for universe packages. (you need to set some header in the source package.) | 19:51 |
| apachelogger | yeah, cause xubuntu wanted it | 19:52 |
| apachelogger | for a reason I cannot reproduce TBH | 19:52 |
| ScottK | OK. | 19:52 |
| yofel | debfx: then we can use that for non-kde-sc packages, but for the kde sc packages I would be very happy without it | 19:52 |
| ScottK | debfx: Then maybe we just use it for selected packages. | 19:52 |
| ScottK | For KDE core it's just more chance to break stuff. | 19:52 |
| apachelogger | nah | 19:53 |
| apachelogger | what we should do is extract patch'd strings | 19:53 |
| yofel | and to get upstream angry at us | 19:53 |
| apachelogger | put them into a kubuntu.pot | 19:53 |
| yofel | (or laughing) | 19:53 |
| apachelogger | then patch klocale to alwas load that | 19:53 |
| apachelogger | ! | 19:53 |
| apachelogger | stupid size constraints should not stand in the way of quality | 19:53 |
| debfx | moving to universe also means that we could use a secure browser with decent kde integration (chromium) | 19:54 |
| * debfx is prepared to start that discussion again next cycle :) | 19:55 | |
| * yofel will give debfx a +1 until flash support in rekonq is fixed | 19:55 | |
| apachelogger | actually | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | debfx has a point there | 19:56 |
| * apachelogger uses chromium at work | 19:56 | |
| apachelogger | it integrates ultimately with KDE | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | even proxy1!#!!!$!!! | 19:56 |
| debfx | apachelogger: right, moving our strings into an own template is a good idea but it's a manual process | 19:57 |
| apachelogger | plus it has its own primary print dialog so only file open is a bit crappy | 19:57 |
| apachelogger | debfx: nah, we just need our tools to be modified | 19:57 |
| apachelogger | most other distros do it that way | 19:57 |
| apachelogger | so it can hardly be rocket science :) | 19:57 |
| yofel | now, is there anything that still needs doing before feature freeze while I'm waiting for lucid ISO's to install? | 19:58 |
| debfx | how would that work? | 19:58 |
| apachelogger | debfx: #opensuse-kde | 19:59 |
| BluesKaj | yofel, any idea when the flash problem on rekonq will be receiving some attention ? | 19:59 |
| yofel | BluesKaj: nope | 19:59 |
| apachelogger | debfx: easy way ... run extractmessage on debian/patches | 20:00 |
| BluesKaj | ok yofel , then I'll stick with chromium in the meantime | 20:00 |
| apachelogger | what is the problem with flash anyway? | 20:01 |
| apachelogger | crashing? | 20:01 |
| yofel | yup | 20:01 |
| yofel | as always | 20:01 |
| schnelle | guys, kmess needs to be packaged from git-stable for precise. official vesion is broken since msn server changes/breakage | 20:01 |
| apachelogger | did someone file a bug with adobe? | 20:01 |
| apachelogger | cause either that is a bug in qwebkit or flash itself | 20:01 |
| * apachelogger puts his money on flash from the BTs he has see | 20:01 | |
| apachelogger | n | 20:01 |
| yofel | schnelle: it doesn't use libmsn? | 20:02 |
| schnelle | nope | 20:02 |
| yofel | -.- | 20:02 |
| schnelle | at least i think so | 20:02 |
| schnelle | i needed to compile it myself to make it work | 20:02 |
| yofel | hm, no, doesn't depend on it | 20:02 |
| schnelle | and kmess guys still didn't release fixed version | 20:03 |
| schnelle | and in forums they are advising to compile from git-stable | 20:03 |
| schnelle | should i open lp bug report? | 20:03 |
| schnelle | somthing like "needs-packaging" | 20:04 |
| apachelogger | oh this is a right mess | 20:04 |
| apachelogger | someone talk to upstream | 20:05 |
| apachelogger | see if they are planning a release any time soon | 20:05 |
| * apachelogger is not in favor of including git snapshots of kmess in an LTS release | 20:05 | |
| yofel | I'll see if there's something that can be cherry-picked | 20:05 |
| apachelogger | plenty of people use kmess | 20:05 |
| apachelogger | yofel: go see upstream first | 20:05 |
| apachelogger | they have a channel | 20:05 |
| apachelogger | and are fairly responsive IIRC | 20:05 |
| schnelle | i'll ask for a release in their forum | 20:07 |
| * yofel visits channel | 20:08 | |
| apachelogger | yofel: bring flowers | 20:08 |
| schnelle | hahaha :) | 20:10 |
| Adri2000 | just in case, before I upload, no one is working on updating digikam? | 20:30 |
| === jussio1 is now known as jussi | ||
| yofel | Adri2000: I was | 20:32 |
| yofel | Riddell wanted to review that | 20:32 |
| Adri2000 | yofel: you're updating it a new upstream version? | 20:33 |
| Adri2000 | +to | 20:33 |
| yofel | Adri2000: to 2.5.0 - I didn't testbuild that against the new opencv but can do that if you give me ~half an hour | 20:33 |
| Adri2000 | sure. I looked at fixing the build of the current one (2:2.4.1-0ubuntu3) and actually it's just a matter of adding libopencv-gpu-dev to build-deps - if that can help you | 20:35 |
| Ezim | halftime | 20:36 |
| Ezim | yofel, now it is clear real name does not needed gpg-key. so when I have time I will help with easy packages. | 20:38 |
| yofel | Adri2000: if that's all, that has already been done in debian and is in the 2.5.0 package ('m getting some mysql conflicts in pbuilder right now) | 20:39 |
| Ezim | yofel, so you are using pbuilder? | 20:39 |
| yofel | sure, pretty much everyone here is | 20:40 |
| yofel | *every dev | 20:40 |
| Ezim | yofel, okey I have made package for myself but not with pbuilder. some reading and training will be good. | 20:40 |
| yofel | Ezim: I can give you a few pointers in a few minutes, busy right now | 20:42 |
| Ezim | yofel, we can take another day. | 20:43 |
| Ezim | :) soccer-match | 20:43 |
| Ezim | half-time. or later tonight. | 20:43 |
| yofel | sure | 20:44 |
| balloons | yofel, thanks for your help.. moving on to i386 alt.. dropping from the channel.. happy coding and testing everyone | 21:04 |
| Ezim | yofel, free? | 21:41 |
| apachelogger | where is userconfig living these days? | 21:42 |
| yofel | Ezim: pretty much | 21:43 |
| Ezim | yofel, PM me when you have time. | 21:43 |
| Adri2000 | yofel: will you manage to upload digikam before FF? (I don't know exactly at what time starts FF) | 22:04 |
| yofel | Adri2000: I have no universe upload rights, so I need to wait for Riddell or someone else (debfx ?) | 22:05 |
| apachelogger | !roeadmap | 22:06 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about roeadmap | 22:06 |
| apachelogger | !roadmap | 22:06 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about roadmap | 22:06 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 22:06 |
| micahg | yofel: Adri2000 can help you in that regard :) | 22:06 |
| apachelogger | oh goody, ui freeze is only next week | 22:07 |
| yofel | true, now I need to put that somewhere public | 22:07 |
| apachelogger | Adri2000: FF is at 21 UTC btw | 22:09 |
| apachelogger | the UTC tomorrow | 22:09 |
| apachelogger | so 23hrs left or so | 22:09 |
| apachelogger | yofel: so, what would you have me do? triage bugs or prep the plymouth stuff? | 22:10 |
| Adri2000 | oh, cool, I was afraid it could be 0 UTC, like in 2 hours from now :) | 22:11 |
| yofel | plymouth, we have a bit more time to do bugs | 22:11 |
| apachelogger | too bad, I was in a rather bug mood | 22:11 |
| yofel | well, if you have time for both, do bugs first | 22:12 |
| * yofel is busy iso testig | 22:12 | |
| yofel | *testing | 22:12 |
| * apachelogger is doing phonon vlc release in a bit | 22:12 | |
| apachelogger | actually | 22:12 |
| apachelogger | someone might want to put them somewhere to archive | 22:12 |
| apachelogger | :P | 22:12 |
| apachelogger | !info phonon precise | 22:13 |
| ubottu | phonon (source: phonon): multimedia framework from KDE - metapackage. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.7.0really4.5.1-0ubuntu3 (precise), package size 7 kB, installed size 53 kB | 22:13 |
| apachelogger | talking about outdated phonon | 22:13 |
| apachelogger | you just made yourself a grumpy upstream | 22:13 |
| yofel | we have no phonon packager | 22:13 |
| yofel | what's current anyway? | 22:14 |
| apachelogger | 460 | 22:14 |
| yofel | ah, sounds like we want that | 22:14 |
| * yofel will be home at ~1PM UTC tomorrow unless someone else gets to that first | 22:15 | |
| apachelogger | actually I should poke trever for a pgst release | 22:15 |
| yofel | Adri2000: | 22:15 |
| yofel | oops | 22:15 |
| apachelogger | I am afraid 4.5 does not build with phonon 4.6 thanks to kde buildsystem people being unhappy with our cmake ^^ | 22:15 |
| yofel | how can one be unhappy with your cmake? :O | 22:16 |
| yofel | they've obviously not seen calligra's cmake | 22:16 |
| apachelogger | dunno, we were doing what cmake can do | 22:16 |
| apachelogger | which is incendtially what pkg-config does | 22:16 |
| apachelogger | which is also what qmake can do | 22:16 |
| * apachelogger is actually in favor of writing his own build system because all out there are fail on some level | 22:17 | |
| apachelogger | yofel: quite possibly | 22:17 |
| apachelogger | The command 'bzr clone' has been deprecated in bzr 2.4. Please use 'bzr branch' instead. | 22:17 |
| apachelogger | that should read 'Please use git instead.' :P | 22:18 |
| apachelogger | bambee_: u here? | 22:19 |
| Adri2000 | yofel: so do you need me to upload digikam or can you find someone else during the next 23 hours? (in which case I could go to sleep :p) | 22:19 |
| yofel | I'll find someone else, gn8 | 22:19 |
| Adri2000 | ok, thank you! good night as well to everyone in similar TZs :) | 22:20 |
| Ezim | welcome Krawlezt :). | 22:22 |
| Krawlezt | Ezim: Thanks :) | 22:22 |
| yofel | someone new? | 22:22 |
| Ezim | yofel, yeah :). clever kid from swedish ubuntu loco channel. | 22:22 |
| yofel | Ezim++ | 22:22 |
| yofel | welcome Krawlezt | 22:23 |
| Krawlezt | yofel: Thanks! | 22:23 |
| Ezim | bed time soon. | 22:30 |
| Ezim | yofel, are your work with gtk integr. done for 12.04? | 22:30 |
| Krawlezt | Ezim: True true :) | 22:30 |
| yofel | Ezim: done | 22:31 |
| yofel | now it needs some testing | 22:31 |
| Ezim | yofel, great. the picture you posted was really great. | 22:32 |
| Ezim | good improvement | 22:32 |
| Ezim | :) now stuff like pavucontrol will look good in 12.04 | 22:32 |
| apachelogger | who needs pavucontrol though? | 22:42 |
| apachelogger | all its functionality is implemented in the phonon kcm/kmix | 22:42 |
| Ezim | apachelogger, I need. | 22:43 |
| apachelogger | but what for? | 22:43 |
| Ezim | apachelogger, example to record stuff with recordmydesktop | 22:43 |
| Ezim | if I wanted to have music instead of my voice | 22:43 |
| Ezim | :P | 22:43 |
| Ezim | that is impossible with kmix | 22:44 |
| apachelogger | please report a bug at bugs.kde.org | 22:44 |
| Ezim | have not tried phonon to see if there is setting for special application | 22:44 |
| apachelogger | (kmix gets a rewrite sometime anyway) | 22:44 |
| apachelogger | Ezim: I think that would be in kmix | 22:44 |
| apachelogger | as you probably only want to change the input of one application stream | 22:44 |
| apachelogger | phonon is for global settings | 22:44 |
| Ezim | apachelogger, thats good. then I would in fet. not install pavucontrol:). | 22:45 |
| Ezim | apachelogger, exactly. | 22:45 |
| maco | the thing where in ubuntu you can overdrive the sound so you play at 120% volume isnt offered by kmix | 22:47 |
| maco | (this was brought up on the ubuntu-accessibility mailing list) | 22:47 |
| Ezim | maco, true. veromix or something like that can do that. | 22:47 |
| apachelogger | software volume ftw | 22:48 |
| Daviey | apachelogger: Has anyone burned kubuntu lucid amd64 to a cd-r? | 22:48 |
| Ezim | kmix is good, but compare to ubuntus sound-setting etc it can not today compete. | 22:48 |
| Daviey | it's 701, it should fit ok.. but just wanted to check someone had done it. | 22:48 |
| * apachelogger has no idea | 22:48 | |
| apachelogger | yofel: burn amd64 on a cd plz | 22:49 |
| yofel | Daviey: testers were in #ubuntu-testing, ask there too | 22:49 |
| * apachelogger doesn't even have that kind of medium :P | 22:49 | |
| * yofel has no optical driver currently | 22:49 | |
| yofel | *drive | 22:49 |
| Daviey | apachelogger: KDE works best from floppies, right? | 22:49 |
| charlie-tca | I burned it to a cd-r today before I knew it was oversize | 22:49 |
| * maco has no burner here | 22:49 | |
| yofel | lol | 22:49 |
| Daviey | </troll> :) | 22:49 |
| apachelogger | usb actually | 22:49 |
| apachelogger | which reminds me that we need to get away from stupid CDs | 22:50 |
| apachelogger | keeps annoying me into madness | 22:50 |
| Daviey | +1 | 22:50 |
| Ezim | apachelogger, +1 | 22:50 |
| apachelogger | maco: at work I actually removed the entire drive to make my laptop lighter ^^ | 22:50 |
| Ezim | apachelogger, after 12.04 are we forced with cd-size? | 22:51 |
| maco | i dont much care about the weight of the desktop at work that already has an extraneous video card | 22:51 |
| charlie-tca | I can't seem to make usb work right for me so I still use those cd things | 22:51 |
| apachelogger | Ezim: why would we? | 22:51 |
| charlie-tca | apachelogger: for people like me? | 22:51 |
| * yofel is for dropping CD's too | 22:51 | |
| apachelogger | charlie-tca: dvd would be the goto then IMHO | 22:52 |
| yofel | we can get rid of our -extra packages | 22:52 |
| Ezim | apachelogger, that was only a question from my part. :) | 22:52 |
| yofel | that nobody ever finds | 22:52 |
| maco | charlie-tca: i think my c2010 netbook is the only machine i have that'll boot from a usb stick | 22:52 |
| apachelogger | charlie-tca: CD just doesn't stand for the quality sacrifices we have to make | 22:52 |
| maco | the other laptops will boot from a hard drive in a usb enclosure or from cd | 22:52 |
| charlie-tca | Takes me hours to download a dvd | 22:52 |
| maco | i'd assume we'd keep the netboot installers around | 22:52 |
| apachelogger | I did not say that we'd go to DVD size | 22:52 |
| maco | then you just download the stuff you actually want | 22:52 |
| yofel | charlie-tca: no, burn ~1GB flash iso on DVD | 22:52 |
| charlie-tca | But I suppose, if that is what needs to happen... | 22:52 |
| apachelogger | but burning to a DVD if usb is no option | 22:53 |
| apachelogger | DVD is way too big | 22:53 |
| yofel | as 700MB is totally not something sane for us | 22:53 |
| maco | charlie-tca: latest discussions of iso size have been setting the max at like a gig and a half, not the entire max capacity of a dvd | 22:53 |
| apachelogger | CD is just a tad too small | 22:53 |
| apachelogger | so I think 1GiB would be just about right I believe | 22:53 |
| Ezim | apachelogger, that was exactly what i meant. | 22:53 |
| Ezim | :) | 22:54 |
| maco | charlie-tca: you missed: <apachelogger> so I think 1GiB would be just about right I believe | 22:54 |
| charlie-tca | yeah, been watching those discussions with unease | 22:54 |
| yofel | maybe ~1.5, then you can use a 2GiB flash drive with some persistent storage | 22:54 |
| charlie-tca | 1 GiB might be okay | 22:54 |
| maco | charlie-tca: the netboot installers should stick around though | 22:54 |
| charlie-tca | It takes me about two hours now for a cd, though | 22:54 |
| apachelogger | yofel: I wouldn't know what *useful* things to put on 1.5 TBH | 22:54 |
| yofel | although 1GiB would probably be enough | 22:54 |
| yofel | yeah | 22:54 |
| maco | charlie-tca: with that you can boot from a 11mb cd then itll download & install in one go, and it lets you choose not to install the stuff that you wouldnt use anyway if you want to slim down what it downloads | 22:54 |
| apachelogger | I mean, we can always pack them with translations, but that is pointless data to some degree | 22:55 |
| maco | charlie-tca: also then gets you the latest instead of you needing to spend another hour after install getting updates | 22:55 |
| apachelogger | one can only use one language at a time ;) | 22:55 |
| charlie-tca | maco: I guess I have to learn how to do that | 22:55 |
| charlie-tca | I agree with apachelogger about the one language thing, though | 22:55 |
| apachelogger | anyone understands bug 677996 | 22:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 677996 in userconfig (Ubuntu) "userconfig kcmshell module does not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/677996 | 22:57 |
| apachelogger | why does it create the kcm when actually destructing? | 22:57 |
| debfx | maco: do we have netboot images for kubuntu or do they just install a minimal ubuntu system? | 22:59 |
| maco | debfx: they dont install ANYTHING until you choose which -desktop metapackage you want | 23:00 |
| Ezim | bye guys/girl. bed time. have nice testing/coding etc. | 23:01 |
| maco | mini.iso will install ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu server.... | 23:01 |
| maco | whatever you tell it to | 23:01 |
| apachelogger | debfx: it's d-i/taskel based | 23:01 |
| maco | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD | 23:01 |
| apachelogger | Ezim: o/ sleep tight | 23:02 |
| Ezim | apachelogger, thx. | 23:03 |
| debfx | ah, ok | 23:03 |
| * apachelogger munches a cookie and wonders if bambee_ is out drinking again | 23:05 | |
| Riddell | hola | 23:06 |
| apachelogger | I don't even want to think about how to fix bug 656880 in python :@ | 23:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 656880 in userconfig (Ubuntu) "Creating a new user should make sure the user gets a group assigned" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/656880 | 23:06 |
| apachelogger | yo Riddell | 23:06 |
| Riddell | Adri2000, yofel: what's the state of digikam? | 23:06 |
| debfx | so for p+1 we could only provide a ~1GB desktop image and we'd still have an alternate installer with the netboot image | 23:07 |
| yofel | Riddell: still waiting on review | 23:07 |
| * Riddell reviews | 23:09 | |
| charlie-tca | It doesn't really matter here what size the images are, I just test them | 23:11 |
| charlie-tca | It counts when I have to sync in the middle of the day, though. My internet is only 160K/ps | 23:12 |
| apachelogger | one of these days really need to configure my kontact | 23:21 |
| apachelogger | using gmail for mailing lists is no fun | 23:21 |
| Riddell | yofel: digikam tar has ~ files in it? | 23:21 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: you keep telling me they make sense in kate :P | 23:26 |
| yofel | Riddell: uh yeah | 23:26 |
| yofel | blame upstream | 23:27 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: I do? the existance of ~ files is a nasty kludge caused by limitations in filesystem design or something | 23:29 |
| apachelogger | kate now does vim like .foo.bkp or something | 23:30 |
| apachelogger | which are cleared when you save and quit! | 23:30 |
| apachelogger | s/cleared/deleted | 23:30 |
| apachelogger | ~files stopped being useful when saving a file did not take minutes | 23:31 |
| * apachelogger saves a file roughly 5 times per minute | 23:31 | |
| Riddell | they stopped being useful when saving files stopped being useful and revision control became good enough to use everywhere | 23:31 |
| Riddell | but kde hasn't caught up with that alas even if google has | 23:31 |
| apachelogger | are you sayng that CVS was not good? :O :O :O | 23:31 |
| apachelogger | so | 23:32 |
| apachelogger | bambee_ really needs to continue with userconfig cpp | 23:32 |
| apachelogger | I am getting insane from looking at the userconfig python code | 23:32 |
| Riddell | SCCS is all you need | 23:32 |
| apachelogger | it is mostly scary TBH | 23:32 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I lol'd :P | 23:33 |
| apachelogger | how ever userconfig managed to come into existance with 2 files is beyond me | 23:34 |
| apachelogger | in fact, that always confused me about our apps | 23:34 |
| apachelogger | there is absolutely no point in having 3000 classes in one file | 23:34 |
| rbelem | Riddell, do you have some time to take a look at kde-artwork-active | 23:38 |
| rbelem | it is the kubuntu-active ppa | 23:38 |
| Riddell | rbelem: could do (after digikam) | 23:38 |
| rbelem | oki | 23:38 |
| rbelem | Riddell, thanks :-) | 23:39 |
| Krawlezt | yofel, Nice to met your but now i have to leave, goodnight! | 23:39 |
| yofel | gn | 23:40 |
| apachelogger | bug 901593 <3 nfs | 23:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 901593 in amarok (Ubuntu) "The computer sometimes can't switch into sleep mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/901593 | 23:50 |
| yofel | yeah, nfs would prevent going into suspend | 23:50 |
| Riddell | yofel: digikam nice, uploading | 23:55 |
| yofel | \o/ | 23:55 |
| yofel | I'm almost done with the 10.04 DVD's | 23:55 |
| Riddell | yofel: oh you're testing them? awesome | 23:58 |
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