[00:04]  * ScottK is working on packaging the quassel beta.
[00:09] <yofel> k, uploaded a hopefully working digikam now
[00:09]  * yofel is off to bed before he falls asleep on his keyboard - good night
[00:49] <ScottK> Uploaded
[05:52] <Tm_T> moin
[05:54] <Tm_T> Riddell: em should be in testers factoid
[05:56] <Tm_T> hmh, but isn't, readded
[07:58] <agateau> yofel_: thanks for the link to sheytan mockup!
[07:59] <agateau> Riddell: yofel_: if you open lightdm kcm you can pick other themes. One of them looks like this: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/15/preview.png
[07:59] <agateau> Riddell: yofel_: it should be doable to tweak it to look more like sheytan mockup.
[09:39] <peace> mmm facebook gmail on telepathy kde gives me error 
[09:39] <Riddell> !testers
[09:39] <Riddell> 10.04.4 candidates need testing :)
[09:39] <peace> xD Riddell
[09:40] <Riddell> peace: they both give the same error?  what error?
[09:40] <peace> unknown error :S
[09:40] <Tm_T> peace: any logs?
[09:40] <peace> i am going to paste 
[09:40] <Riddell> what do you do to get that unhelpful error?
[09:40] <peace> btw msn works ..
[09:41] <peace> :) just tried to login on facebook and gmail
[09:41] <peace> Riddell: [61034.563893] type=1400 audit(1329298359.018:21): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" parent=11737 profile="/usr/lib/telepathy/mission-control-5" name="/tmp/" pid=11738 comm="mission-control" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=1000 ouid=0
[09:41] <Tm_T> apparmor? nice
[09:41] <peace> i guess it's this 
[09:42] <Riddell> peace: does ~/.cache/ exist?
[09:42] <peace> checkin
[09:43] <peace> Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/15/plasma-desktopPw1803.png
[09:46] <Riddell> ok so not that problem
[09:48] <micahg>     owner @{HOME}/.cache/.mc_connections rw,
[09:48] <micahg>     owner @{HOME}/.{cache,config}/dconf/user rw,
[09:48] <micahg>  /tmp isn't allowed in the mission-control profile
[09:49] <peace> very symilar ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-mission-control-5/+bug/816554
[09:51] <micahg> no, that was for the other profile in the file
[09:53] <Riddell> peace: dunno probably needs a kde-telepathy person to diagnose, are you on precise?
[09:53] <micahg> you could try adding explicit denials for /tmp in the telepathy part of the profile to see if it works
[09:53] <peace> Riddell: 12.04 yep
[09:53] <micahg> oops, I meant the mission control part
[10:10] <peace> btw i have done this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-mission-control-5/+bug/932626
[10:11] <yofel_> agateau: nice, IMO that looks nicer for a home system. The current login screen is too dry, but better for networks as it scales better.
[10:11] <agateau> yofel: agreed
[10:12] <agateau> yofel: default is easy to change (either upstream or at packaging level)
[10:21] <micahg> peace: thanks, I"ll have someone look at it in a few hours
[10:49] <Riddell> agateau: same problem on that arm build issue in kdecoration_plugins.h http://paste.kde.org/422780/
[10:50] <Riddell> it needs something casted to something to avoid using a double
[10:50] <Riddell> or just drop the compiz kde stuff
[10:50]  * Riddell goes to find other kde people familiar with arm
[10:50] <Riddell> NCommand1r: would your elite c++ skills be able to suggest a way forward on that? ^^
[10:51] <agateau> Riddell: is it failing on the variantListFromStringList() method?
[10:51] <agateau> (method name from memory)
[10:51] <Riddell> hmm let me double check
[10:53] <Riddell> agateau: it says line 355 which is the second one as I've split it
[10:53] <Riddell> return create(classname, 0, parent, vargs, QString());
[10:53] <Riddell> oh no it's not 
[10:53] <Riddell> it's the first one
[10:53] <Riddell> QVariantList vargs = stringListToVariantList(args);
[10:53]  * agateau looks at the implementation of this method
[10:54] <Riddell> /usr/include/kpluginfactory.h KDE_DEPRECATED QObject *create( ...
[10:55] <Riddell> "cast from 'QList<QVariant>::Node*' to 'QVariant*'"  this would never happen if compiz was coded in python!
[10:55] <agateau> :)
[10:57] <agateau> so the compiler does not like putting the return value of stringListToVariantList back into vargs. mmm.
[10:57] <Riddell> not on a platform without double, it's fine on !arm
[10:58] <Riddell> it's also a recent issue in code that I don't think has changed so it'll be gcc being more fussy
[10:58] <agateau> what is strange is there is no qreal or double involved in this code
[10:58] <Riddell> but it must be thinking something is a double
[10:58] <Riddell> which it can't cast to
[10:59] <agateau> the error message does not talk about double at all
[10:59] <agateau> error: cast from 'QList<QVariant>::Node*' to 'QVariant*' increases required alignment of target type [-Werror=cast-align]
[10:59] <Riddell> what does this mean "increases required alignment of target type " ?
[11:00] <agateau> I think it has to do with how members in a struct are placed in memory
[11:00] <agateau> on x86 you want your members to be aligned on 4-byte boundaries for faster access
[11:00] <agateau> compiler usually takes care of that
[11:01] <Riddell> oh so it's some obscure cast I don't understand, hmm
[11:01] <agateau> One solution^Wwork-around would be to disable the "cast-align" error, but I guess it would open a whole new can of worms
[11:02] <Riddell> I'm tempted to say "drop the compiz kde plugins, nobody uses them"
[11:02] <Riddell> unless Mek pops up or I can find someone else who knows about ARM
[11:03] <agateau> that is probably wiser
[11:04] <agateau> or port the code not to use the deprecated methods? (not sure that would fix it)
[11:04] <Riddell> or that but I've no desire to start porting code for stuff we don't care about
[11:04] <agateau> heh
[11:04] <agateau> ill-baby duties... have to go
[11:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: where did you get the KDE theme ?
[11:22] <shadeslayer> for light dm
[11:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: wasnae me, ask agateau and d_ed
[11:22] <shadeslayer> oh ok
[12:27] <apol> hey, is it possible to make 386 debs from an amd64 system?
[12:27] <Riddell> apol: yes, it needs a debootstrap chroot
[12:28] <Riddell> you can also use ec2 
[12:28] <apol> hm
[12:28] <apol> ok
[12:28]  * apol googles debootstrap chroot
[12:28] <shadeslayer> !debootstrap 
[12:29] <shadeslayer> omg ubottu you're back
[12:29]  * shadeslayer huggles ubottu
[12:29] <apol> xD you summoned him!
[12:29] <apol> thanks ubottu :D
[12:29] <yofel> *her
[12:32] <jussi> shadeslayer: yeah, the machine she was on had a bit of a meltdown and we had to fixor it
[12:33] <apol> oh sorry, she's a lady
[12:33] <shadeslayer> jussi: seems like things got 'hot' on valentines day ;)
[12:34] <jussi> lol
[12:34] <yofel> heh
[12:34] <jussi> shadeslayer: wasnt too serious, just a read nly FS for some reason
[12:34] <peace> shadeslayer: => http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-m9uG50mSw
[12:34] <peace> xD
[12:34] <jussi> a quick fsck and a reboot helped
[12:34] <shadeslayer> heh
[12:34] <shadeslayer> a quick fsck .... right
[13:02] <Riddell> yay, working owncloud 3! http://ec2-50-16-158-30.compute-1.amazonaws.com/owncloud/  jr/kubuntu
[13:03] <Riddell> at last our own community music system :)
[13:04] <Riddell> (works best in firefox)
[13:05] <Peace-> Riddell: i am in xd
[13:06] <Riddell> Peace-: I recommend The Banana Sessions, fun music
[13:06] <Peace-> xD
[13:06] <Riddell> interface needs a little patience while you wait for the music to start streaming and some files won't work (no mp3 in firefox?)
[13:08] <rbelem> Riddell, can i haz access?
[13:08] <Peace-> i have installed ownstuffin my computer too it works fine :D
[13:08] <rbelem> :-D
[13:08] <Peace-> rbelem: well he wrote the useandpass
[13:08] <Riddell> rbelem: jr/kubuntu
[13:08] <rbelem> ops...
[13:08] <rbelem> thanks
[13:10] <Peace-> mm i have tried to copy the chakra layout for panels :) http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/15/plasma-desktoprP1803.png
[13:11] <Riddell> very unity like at the bottom
[13:11] <Riddell> how do you do that?
[13:11] <Peace-> Riddell: javascripting collection of plasma panels :D
[13:12] <Riddell> aah
[13:12] <Peace-> icontasks customized
[13:13] <Peace-> Riddell: http://code.google.com/p/kde-peace-settings/source/browse/Plama-Panels-Collection/usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma/layout-templates/org.kde.plasma-desktop.chakranspiredPanel/contents/layout.js
[13:13] <apachelogger_> yofel: one has only so much time per day :P
[13:14] <Peace-> Riddell: btw good music :D
[13:16] <Riddell> Peace-: it's from Scotland, we make the best music :)
[13:38] <Ezim> are we changning to lightdm for 12.04?
[13:38] <Riddell> no
[13:40] <Ezim> Riddell, :) good.
[13:42] <Tm_T> a strange question
[13:53] <apachelogger_> yofel, debfx: gtk stuff in yet?
[13:53] <apachelogger_> Riddell: owncloud in yet?
[13:55] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[13:59] <BluesKaj> major update/upgrade today 
[14:00] <BluesKaj> for 12.04 that is
[14:01] <Ezim> BluesKaj, did every thing went good?
[14:01] <BluesKaj> still updating
[14:02] <Riddell> apachelogger_: just uploaded
[14:02] <Riddell> apachelogger_: tried it out?
[14:03] <Ezim> BluesKaj, hope it goes well.
[14:04] <apachelogger_> Riddell: ah, the one on amazon is from packages?
[14:04] <Riddell> apachelogger_: yes
[14:04] <BluesKaj> i don't have a superfast connection , capped at 750kb/s
[14:04] <apachelogger_> oho
[14:05] <Ezim> BluesKaj, I have 10/10 :).
[14:05] <apachelogger_> Riddell: btw, lightdm works for simple things ^^
[14:05] <apachelogger_> dual screen setp -> fail for example
[14:05] <apachelogger_> though I suspect that is the qml greeters fault
[14:05] <Riddell> apachelogger_: half a complement at least :)
[14:05] <Riddell> agateau: ^^
[14:05] <apachelogger_> yeah, it works WRT login :)
[14:05] <apachelogger_> also the kcm is not working for me (the actual ldm settings that is)
[14:06] <apachelogger_> anywho, we need to reengage upstream discussion as ossi claims to have no time for kdm anymore
[14:06] <apachelogger_> so it looks like a dead-end now
[14:07] <Riddell> is there one?
[14:07] <BluesKaj> Ezim,  new kernel 3.2.0-6
[14:07]  * Peace- xD Banana sessions
[14:07] <apachelogger_> Riddell: one = ?
[14:07] <BluesKaj> err 3.2.0-16
[14:08] <Ezim> BluesKaj, cool. I will maybe compile myself new kernel (takes so damn long time on my laptop). 
[14:08] <Riddell> apachelogger_: I found it but not in system settings
[14:08] <Riddell> agateau: that kcm needs keywords to search on and does it really exist in system settings?
[14:09] <BluesKaj> Ezim, no point in compiling new kernel , unless you like wearing hair shirts :) 
[14:09] <Ezim> BluesKaj, hehe, its fun. :P
[14:11] <apachelogger_> Riddell: are we still missing anything for feature freeze?
[14:11] <Ezim> with kwin effect running it seems adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin-properties-kde works much better then flashplugin-installer/downloader.
[14:11] <apachelogger_> Riddell: I don't think the kcm is in systemsettings
[14:11] <apachelogger_> even when searching for name I did not find it ^^
[14:12] <Ezim> same for you guys/girls or only me?
[14:12] <Riddell> apachelogger_: kubuntu active, we have the packages, we need the seeds and cd image tweaks
[14:13] <Riddell> apachelogger_: kdevelop update
[14:13] <agateau> Riddell: apachelogger_: it appears in systemsettings for me, as "Login Manager"
[14:13] <Riddell> qtscriptgenerator we need 0.2.0 with Qt 4.8
[14:13] <apachelogger_> oh
[14:13] <apachelogger_> then the desktop files might be wrong
[14:13] <apachelogger_> as login manager I have kdm
[14:14] <Riddell> agateau: oh yes, it needs the same icon as KDM one else it's not recognisable, and it needs keywords so you can search
[14:14] <agateau> most of the kcm settings indeed do not work, we need to figure it out. I just rushed for FF to ensure at least the kcm writes the correct keys in lightdm config files
[14:14] <Riddell> agateau: are you able to take that upstream?
[14:14] <apachelogger_> so my immediate guess would be that kdm and ldm have a too equal desktop file and kdm overloads it ^^
[14:14] <Riddell> or are you the upstream?
[14:14] <agateau> Riddell: I am part of upstream, yes
[14:14] <Riddell> apachelogger_: "lightdm",  "ldm" is something else
[14:15] <apachelogger_> kde is the upstream :P
[14:15] <Riddell> apachelogger_: lightdm is sadly not part of kde as far as I know
[14:15] <apachelogger_> Riddell: what is ldm then?
[14:15] <apachelogger_> Riddell: the kde greeter is
[14:15] <apachelogger_> so is the kcm
[14:15] <apachelogger_> which are the parts we care about here :P
[14:15] <Riddell> apachelogger_: ldm is a remote login manager used on LTSP setups
[14:16] <agateau> Riddell: I am busy on something else for FF right now, if you have an update to the desktop file, I am happy to push it in
[14:16] <apachelogger_> how very silly
[14:16] <Riddell> agateau: no I don't, just a note to get it done at some point is all it needs
[14:16] <agateau> Riddell: ok
[14:16]  * agateau adds a note
[14:17] <BluesKaj> Ezim,  on 64 bit one just needs to download the, "install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz"  , and place the libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins , without using that clunky nswrapperplugin
[14:18] <agateau> apachelogger_: Riddell: so, "same icon as kdm kcm", "keywords", anything else?
[14:18] <apachelogger_> ScottK: so we drop ubuntu language stuff?
[14:21] <Ezim> BluesKaj, I have flashplugin-alternative.so there.
[14:22] <Peace-> mm but the wallpaper of kde 4.8.... i am the only that is thinking it's ... horrible!?
[14:22] <Ezim> Peace-, I agree.
[14:23] <Riddell> agateau: and fix all the bugs please :)
[14:23] <Peace-> Ezim: i guess it's the worst i have ever seen
[14:24] <agateau> Riddell: that goes without saying! :)
[14:24] <Chomo> Peace-: its a 4:3 resolution wallpaper but i like it. not again a blue or blue+dark one
[14:24] <Riddell> so who's got good music we can listen to on the owncloud?
[14:25] <apachelogger_> playback does not work here :(
[14:25] <Riddell> apachelogger_: firefox?
[14:25] <apachelogger_> chrome
[14:25] <apachelogger_> or chromium
[14:25] <apachelogger_> or something
[14:25] <Riddell> apachelogger_: yeah it's buggy
[14:25] <apachelogger_> kaput
[14:25] <apachelogger_> more intersting is whether it works with rekonq ;)
[14:25] <Riddell> owncloud just uses the html 5 bits and I think only firefox is reliable with it
[14:25] <Riddell> I doubt it
[14:25] <apachelogger_> and I really need to go buy something to eat now
[14:26] <BluesKaj> Ezim, , Peace- , you can always import your own wallpapers, or use your own photos
[14:26] <Peace-> BluesKaj: well ... i guess i know xD
[14:30] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  the HTML5 trial on youtube runs well on chromium too
[14:32] <mikecb> one would hope so
[14:34] <Ezim> BluesKaj, true, but the kde 4.7* wallpaper is much nicer
[14:34] <Ezim> :P should be default in 12.04
[14:34] <Ezim> also boot-splash not plymouth looks bad compare to 4.7
[14:34] <Ezim> only dislikes I have with 4.8.*
[14:36] <BluesKaj> mikecb,  have you tried rekonq on HTML5? ...not much point on flash sites
[14:37] <mikecb> nope
[14:37] <mikecb> it's  not quite there for me yet
[14:38] <BluesKaj> unfortuntely it still needs some work alright 
[14:38] <Riddell> it's not quite there for all but the hardest KDE fans, web browser is a notable lack in KDE's offering (ironically)
[14:38] <mikecb> didn't kde start webkit?
[14:39] <mikecb> (or it was forked from something kde did)
[14:39] <Peace-> khtml =
[14:40] <BluesKaj> konqueror has been abanodoned with a few fixes , it used to be my default browser for a while 
[14:41] <Peace-> i have modified kio_httprc file to work better with google+ so konqueror works ....
[14:41] <Peace-> xD
[14:41] <BluesKaj> wa on a pure kde experiment during that time , 8.10 I think it was
[14:41] <mikecb> nice
[14:55] <Ezim> mikecb, I think apple started webkit.
[14:56] <mikecb> yeah, but they forked it from khtml
[14:57] <Ezim> mikecb, okey then you know more then me :).
[14:57] <mikecb> :)
[15:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: where is telepathy-qt4?  I don't see it on http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/releases/telepathy-qt4/
[15:55] <shadeslayer> because it's called telepathy-qt now :)
[15:55] <shadeslayer> http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/releases/telepathy-qt/
[15:55] <Riddell> oh how confusing
[15:55] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:55] <Riddell> http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/releases/telepathy-qt/ ?
[15:55] <shadeslayer> yep
[15:56] <shadeslayer> they switched only recently, which is why there is a bit of confusion everywhere
[15:56] <shadeslayer> old patches not applying because of the rename etc
[15:58] <Riddell> a shame they don't keep their wiki page up to date
[15:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how's bug 932842 ?
[15:59] <shadeslayer> you have no idea how horribly outdated stuff is on freedesktop wikis
[15:59] <shadeslayer> looking
[16:00] <Riddell> also bug 932833
[16:00] <shadeslayer> looks good
[16:01] <shadeslayer> looking at the ktp MIR
[16:01] <Riddell> "You are not allowed to edit this page. "  yeah, they need KDE's sysadmins at freedesktop
[16:01] <shadeslayer> that looks good as well
[16:01] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:01] <shadeslayer> freedesktop is weird, even their tracker is not very good
[16:01] <shadeslayer> fwiw Launchpad has a awesome bug tracker
[16:03] <Riddell> freedesktop has always been weird, it's a political football
[16:09] <shadeslayer> :(
[16:10] <Riddell> looking good for KDE here http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/uehs/no_updated.html
[16:10] <Riddell> or maybe we don't have decent watch file coverage, I've never used that site before
[16:10] <Riddell> hupnp is out of date but I don't think kde needs that currently
[16:21] <debfx> there are new upstream versions of shared-desktop-ontologies, digikam, virtuoso and phonon
[16:22] <Riddell> I'm doing virtuoso now
[16:22] <Riddell> yofel still on digikam?
[16:23] <Riddell> new cagibi too (well a year old actually) that explains the hupnp missing I guess
[16:23] <Riddell> phonon?  tsk why don't we have a handy phonon upstream to poke us about that?
[16:26] <debfx> good question. an upstream developer who does the packaging himself would be even better
[16:28] <Riddell> drat debian don't document how they make virtuoso dfsg happy
[16:30] <debfx> Riddell: debian/gbp.conf has the filter list
[16:33] <debfx> ScottK: is quassel 0.8 beta usable?
[16:37] <Riddell> debfx: so it does, do you know what that file is for?
[16:37] <Riddell> hi koolhead17, see topic for owncloud fun
[16:39] <koolhead17> Riddell: now this is awesome!! indeed :)
[16:40] <Riddell> koolhead17: I thought so, Scottish music is the best :)
[16:41] <koolhead17> Riddell: you should have shared it with Frank too :) he would be super happy 
[16:41] <Riddell> frank doesn't do irc alas
[16:41] <debfx> Riddell: it's a git-buildpackage config file. if you clone the git repository you can do git-import-orig X.orig.tar.gz
[16:42] <koolhead17> Riddell: you want me to mail him for this fun!! :D hehe
[16:43] <Riddell> koolhead17: sure (although I'll take down the server when I get bored
[16:43] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[16:43] <shadeslayer> lightdm pulls in unity
[16:43] <Riddell> so upload more music to stop me getting bored!
[16:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh really?
[16:43] <Riddell> agateau: ^^
[16:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes
[16:43] <koolhead17> shadeslayer: unity in kubuntu ? :P
[16:43] <shadeslayer> brrrr
[16:44] <Riddell> lightdm isn't in kubuntu (yet)
[16:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/422996/
[16:44] <Riddell> tsk tsk
[16:44] <agateau> Riddell: damn
[16:44] <shadeslayer> also, nautilus
[16:45] <shadeslayer> now we know what happens when you install nautilus on Kubuntu with KDE don't we
[16:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no what happens?
[16:45] <shadeslayer> oh you don't know?
[16:45] <shadeslayer> last time I installed it, it started drawing the desktop
[16:45] <debfx> it probably wants a greeter and if you don't select one it pulls in the unity greeter
[16:45] <Ezim> why use nautilus when dolphin makes the job done?
[16:46] <shadeslayer> Ezim: you don't but lightdm pulls in nautilus which might try to act smart and associate itself with mimetypes
[16:46] <agateau> Riddell: lightdm recommends unity-greeter | lightdm-greeter
[16:46] <shadeslayer> so as soon as you click anot folder or something, boom
[16:46] <agateau> Riddell: but lightdm-kde-greeter provides lightdm-greeter, so it should be good, no?
[16:47] <shadeslayer> we don't have lightdm-kde-greeter
[16:47] <Ezim> shadeslayer, I see. 
[16:47] <shadeslayer> not tyhat I can see anywa
[16:47] <shadeslayer> *not that I can see anyway
[16:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh you're just installing "lightdm"?
[16:47] <shadeslayer> yes
[16:47] <Riddell> well that explains it
[16:47] <Riddell> install lightdm-kde-greeter
[16:47] <shadeslayer> but we don't have lightdm-kde-greeter
[16:47] <shadeslayer> !info lightdm-kde-greeter
[16:47] <shadeslayer> !info lightdm-kde-greeter precise
[16:47] <shadeslayer> :(
[16:48]  * Riddell hunts in New
[16:48] <shadeslayer> btw, anyone here know what the term 'Lateral Hiring' means?
[16:48] <agateau> rmadison lightdm-kde-greeter 
[16:48] <agateau> lightdm-kde-greeter | 0.0.git20120214-0ubuntu1 | precise/universe | amd64, armel, armhf, i386
[16:49] <shadeslayer> What I found on the internet doesn't quite go with the tone of the email I got :P
[16:49] <yofel> apachelogger_: gtk stuff is up
[16:49] <yofel> Riddell: well, fixing overwrite errors as I see them, otherwise done
[16:50] <Riddell> yofel: digikam? want me to look over it and upload?
[16:51] <yofel> doing another upgrade test, if that works fine shipit
[16:52] <ScottK> debfx: According to upstream.
[16:52] <ScottK> apachelogger_: Next cycle.  Once we're in Univese is mostly goes away anyway.
[16:57] <yofel> Riddell: worked fine now, feel free to look at it
[16:57] <yofel> the diff is rather large as that's our first 2.X merge
[16:58] <Riddell> yofel: in ninjas?
[16:58] <yofel> yes
[16:58] <koolhead17> Riddell: found frank online, shared it with him :P
[17:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: seems like it was stuck in new
[17:03] <shadeslayer> bbiab
[17:06] <shadeslayer> agateau: there's a weird bug in the line where you enter your username I think
[17:06] <shadeslayer> there's some sort of highlighting in the middle, that doesn't extend all the way to the sides
[17:07] <shadeslayer> other than that, it's awesome
[17:07] <agateau> shadeslayer: yes, that is super ugly
[17:07] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:07] <agateau> shadeslayer: seems like the image drawing the focus rect is broken
[17:07] <shadeslayer> hehe
[17:08] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:08] <shadeslayer> that's supposed to be the focus thing
[17:08] <shadeslayer> makes more sense now 
[17:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer: not there now
[17:14] <Ezim> one user in swedish loco (channel) have problem with wallpaper changning back to default when the person wants to use his own.
[17:14] <Ezim> I have never had this issue. 
[17:14] <Ezim> bug?
[17:15] <Ezim> .kde/share/wallpapers should it be saved. correct?
[17:18] <BluesKaj> BBL
[17:18] <Ezim> bbl?
[17:19] <charlie-tca> ScottK: testing 10.04.4 desktop 64; when restarting from a live session, my monitor turns off and there is no prompt to hit enter to continue. This is, I believe, an old bug
[17:23] <yofel> Ezim: be back later
[17:24] <Ezim> yofel, okey :).
[17:24] <yofel> Ezim: sounds like bug 923188 if someone has time to figure out what's wrong
[17:25] <Ezim> yofel, thx friend.
[17:27] <Ezim> yofel, for me its np. maybe something is wrong in usr/share/wallpapers
[17:27] <Ezim> ?
[17:27] <Ezim> yofel, this user uses kde 4.7.*
[17:27] <yofel> unlikely, that's where the wallpapers themselves are located. Not the settings
[17:27]  * yofel is clueless
[17:28] <Ezim> yofel, but when apply choosen wallpaper the wallpaper is saved were?
[17:28] <Ezim> usr/share/wallpapers
[17:28] <Ezim> right?
[17:28] <yofel> no, a user has no write permissions for that folder
[17:28] <Ezim> or .kde/share/wallpapers
[17:28] <yofel> they'll end up somewhere in ~/
[17:28] <yofel> don't ask me where
[17:30] <ScottK> charlie-tca: Yes.  It is.
[17:31] <Ezim> yofel, it should be there. only logical place for me :).
[17:33] <yofel> Ezim: seems the wallpaper setting for me is in .kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc
[17:33] <yofel> Ezim: could you maybe ask him to provide his? (and check first if there's anything private in it)
[17:35] <yofel> and do check if the wallpaper file actually got stored somewhere. Mine is somewhere else and I imported it into the wallpaper selection screen later
[17:39] <Riddell> cool, dolphin search working nicely (before and after virtuoso upgrade)
[17:43] <Riddell> fun 94MB upload for virtuoso
[17:45] <Ezim> yofel, I think I understand
[17:46] <Ezim> I have to wallpapers (1 desktop +1 virt.)
[17:46] <Ezim> but I do not understand why one is 70 and one is 71
[17:48] <Ezim> :) it was much easier then that. the user forgott to pick different graphical component... 
[17:51] <Ezim> yofel, can it be so easy for that person also
[17:52] <Ezim> if he/she uses desktop/virtualdesktop
[17:52] <Ezim> http://imgur.com/HatL2
[17:52] <Ezim> and have forgotten to mark it
[17:52] <Ezim> like my picture
[17:53] <Ezim> if you have 2-3 desktop and the thing is not marked it will not save wallpapers a person pick
[17:53] <Ezim> thats the why I have understand it
[18:01] <yofel> I don't have that checkbox checked
[18:04] <Ezim> yofel, and you are running how many desktop/virtual?
[18:04] <Ezim> different wallpaper in every one?
[18:17] <balloons> ok, gonna try and help do some iso testing.. I'm on a slow connection, so which isos need the most help.. aka, where can I make the most impact with the fewest iso downloads? :-) I have a 64-bit desktop to test with
[18:18] <yofel> welcome balloons
[18:18] <balloons> I'm speaking about the kubuntu 10.04.4 iso testing going on this week
[18:18] <balloons> hello yofel
[18:18] <yofel> balloons: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/207/builds - the desktop images have the most test cases
[18:19]  * yofel goes fetching the DVD's
[18:19] <balloons> shall I take the 386 desktop and run thru it then?
[18:20] <yofel> sure, if you click on a testcase you'll find a link to the detailed test instructions for each test case
[18:21] <balloons> great.. about an hour to get the iso, then i can star ttesting.. time to grab some food
[18:51] <apachelogger_> ScottK: re l10n, it depends, the gnome stuff still requires it so we need *some* sort of handling for it
[19:36] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes, but Ubuntu is moving to some upstream thing next cycle, so we can still ditch at least some of the Ubuntuisms.
[19:36] <apachelogger> Oo
[19:36] <apachelogger> ScottK: thing?
[19:37] <apachelogger> wasn't the point of their own soup to easily deploy updates past release? :P
[19:41] <ScottK> They're ditching language selector.
[19:41] <ScottK> (next cycle)
[19:41] <ScottK> Since we're going to Universe (I assume), our stuff won't get stripped for language packs anymore.
[19:42] <ScottK> So I'm not sure what will be left of Ubuntu specific language stuff once we're done.
[19:42] <Ezim> our stuff won't get stripped for language packs anymore.<<<--- what does this mean?
[19:42] <ScottK> In Ubuntu the builders strip all the translations out of packages in Main so they can be built in to per language language packs.
[19:43] <ScottK> Since KDE already ships translations that way, it's been little benefit to Kubuntu.
[19:43] <Ezim> ScottK, so by moving to universe what will then happen?
[19:43] <ScottK> Then the translations won't get stripped out, so we can use the KDE language packs directly, just like we do in the PPAs.
[19:43] <ScottK> We know it works fine.
[19:44] <Ezim> ScottK, is that not a win situation for us? 
[19:44] <ScottK> It is.
[19:44] <Ezim> okey then I understand :).
[19:44] <ScottK> I've wanted to ditch using the Ubuntu language pack infrastructure since 8.10.
[19:45] <Ezim> ScottK, :) there is a lot thing we can ditch. maybe instead of 6 month release cycle we can change to 8 month.
[19:45] <Ezim> or stuff like that
[19:45] <ScottK> No, not that.
[19:45] <ScottK> KDE is on 6 month cycles and so is Ubuntu.
[19:45] <yofel> can we drop most of our overly complicated language-pack preperation then?
[19:45] <ScottK> It'd be hard to mess with that.
[19:45] <Ezim> you guys knows things better.
[19:45] <ScottK> yofel: I think we can.
[19:46] <yofel> \o/
[19:46] <yofel> Ezim: did you get an answer on your gpg question yet btw.?
[19:46] <Ezim> yofel, it was fixed :).
[19:46] <Ezim> it was like I thought
[19:46] <Ezim> so now he is happy kubuntu user
[19:47] <yofel> Ezim: no, I mean your name question for the gpg key
[19:47] <Ezim> yofel, I did not. 
[19:47] <yofel> ScottK: do you know whether one *needs* to use his real name in a gpg key (other than to get it signed by someone else)
[19:48] <BluesKaj> what other ubuntu pinned structures can kde dump now that it's no longer officially supported by canonical ...looks like some silver lining benefits might evolve from this black cloud after , like streamlining kubuntu . ..no pun intended :)
[19:48] <BluesKaj> afterall
[19:49] <ScottK> yofel: There's no requirement.  There's no requirement to use your real name to be involved in Ubuntu development.  The only trick is it has to look like a name so no one will know it's obviously made up.
[19:49]  * Ezim soccer-match. 
[19:49] <ScottK> Launchpad is very concerned about appearances on launchpad accounts.  Reality, not so much.
[19:50] <yofel> ah, thx
[19:50] <Ezim> ScottK, thats good then I can help haxxor.
[19:50] <debfx> ScottK: we have two problems if we opt out of translation stripping: we don't have translations for strings introduced by patches and the non kde sc packages will grow in size
[19:50] <Ezim> ScottK, I have launchpad account, but gpg-key I can use other name/mail.
[19:51] <Ezim> will chat with you guys/girls after match
[19:51] <ScottK> debfx: That's true, but if the packages are in Universe they won't be stripped whether we opt out or not.
[19:51] <apachelogger> Ezim: I have been saying all along that moving to universe is an epic win for us
[19:51] <apachelogger> cuts like half the BS we have in our workflows
[19:51] <Ezim> apachelogger, +1
[19:51] <debfx> ScottK: no, launchpad support translation stripping for universe packages. (you need to set some header in the source package.)
[19:52] <apachelogger> yeah, cause xubuntu wanted it
[19:52] <apachelogger> for a reason I cannot reproduce TBH
[19:52] <ScottK> OK.
[19:52] <yofel> debfx: then we can use that for non-kde-sc packages, but for the kde sc packages I would be very happy without it
[19:52] <ScottK> debfx: Then maybe we just use it for selected packages.
[19:52] <ScottK> For KDE core it's just more chance to break stuff.
[19:53] <apachelogger> nah
[19:53] <apachelogger> what we should do is extract patch'd strings
[19:53] <yofel> and to get upstream angry at us
[19:53] <apachelogger> put them into a kubuntu.pot
[19:53] <yofel> (or laughing)
[19:53] <apachelogger> then patch klocale to alwas load that
[19:53] <apachelogger> !
[19:53] <apachelogger> stupid size constraints should not stand in the way of quality
[19:54] <debfx> moving to universe also means that we could use a secure browser with decent kde integration (chromium)
[19:55]  * debfx is prepared to start that discussion again next cycle :)
[19:55]  * yofel will give debfx a +1 until flash support in rekonq is fixed
[19:56] <apachelogger> actually
[19:56] <apachelogger> debfx has a point there
[19:56]  * apachelogger uses chromium at work
[19:56] <apachelogger> it integrates ultimately with KDE
[19:56] <apachelogger> even proxy1!#!!!$!!!
[19:57] <debfx> apachelogger: right, moving our strings into an own template is a good idea but it's a manual process
[19:57] <apachelogger> plus it has its own primary print dialog so only file open is a bit crappy
[19:57] <apachelogger> debfx: nah, we just need our tools to be modified
[19:57] <apachelogger> most other distros do it that way
[19:57] <apachelogger> so it can hardly be rocket science :)
[19:58] <yofel> now, is there anything that still needs doing before feature freeze while I'm waiting for lucid ISO's to install?
[19:58] <debfx> how would that work?
[19:59] <apachelogger> debfx: #opensuse-kde
[19:59] <BluesKaj> yofel,  any idea when the flash problem on rekonq will be receiving some attention ?
[19:59] <yofel> BluesKaj: nope
[20:00] <apachelogger> debfx: easy way ... run extractmessage on debian/patches
[20:00] <BluesKaj> ok yofel , then I'll stick with chromium in the meantime
[20:01] <apachelogger> what is the problem with flash anyway?
[20:01] <apachelogger> crashing?
[20:01] <yofel> yup
[20:01] <yofel> as always
[20:01] <schnelle> guys, kmess needs to be packaged from git-stable for precise. official vesion is broken since msn server changes/breakage
[20:01] <apachelogger> did someone file a bug with adobe?
[20:01] <apachelogger> cause either that is a bug in qwebkit or flash itself
[20:01]  * apachelogger puts his money on flash from the BTs he has see
[20:01] <apachelogger> n
[20:02] <yofel> schnelle: it doesn't use libmsn?
[20:02] <schnelle> nope
[20:02] <yofel> -.-
[20:02] <schnelle> at least i think so
[20:02] <schnelle> i needed to compile it myself to make it work
[20:02] <yofel> hm, no, doesn't depend on it
[20:03] <schnelle> and kmess guys still didn't release fixed version
[20:03] <schnelle> and in forums they are advising to compile from git-stable
[20:03] <schnelle> should i open lp bug report?
[20:04] <schnelle> somthing like "needs-packaging"
[20:04] <apachelogger> oh this is a right mess
[20:05] <apachelogger> someone talk to upstream
[20:05] <apachelogger> see if they are planning a release any time soon
[20:05]  * apachelogger is not in favor of including git snapshots of kmess in an LTS release
[20:05] <yofel> I'll see if there's something that can be cherry-picked
[20:05] <apachelogger> plenty of people use kmess
[20:05] <apachelogger> yofel: go see upstream first
[20:05] <apachelogger> they have a channel
[20:05] <apachelogger> and are fairly responsive IIRC
[20:07] <schnelle> i'll ask for a release in their forum
[20:08]  * yofel visits channel
[20:08] <apachelogger> yofel: bring flowers
[20:10] <schnelle> hahaha :)
[20:30] <Adri2000> just in case, before I upload, no one is working on updating digikam?
[20:32] <yofel> Adri2000: I was
[20:32] <yofel> Riddell wanted to review that
[20:33] <Adri2000> yofel: you're updating it a new upstream version?
[20:33] <Adri2000> +to
[20:33] <yofel> Adri2000: to 2.5.0 - I didn't testbuild that against the new opencv but can do that if you give me ~half an hour
[20:35] <Adri2000> sure. I looked at fixing the build of the current one (2:2.4.1-0ubuntu3) and actually it's just a matter of adding libopencv-gpu-dev to build-deps - if that can help you
[20:36] <Ezim> halftime
[20:38] <Ezim> yofel, now it is clear real name does not needed gpg-key. so when I have time I will help with easy packages.
[20:39] <yofel> Adri2000: if that's all, that has already been done in debian and is in the 2.5.0 package ('m getting some mysql conflicts in pbuilder right now)
[20:39] <Ezim> yofel, so you are using pbuilder?
[20:40] <yofel> sure, pretty much everyone here is
[20:40] <yofel> *every dev 
[20:40] <Ezim> yofel, okey I have made package for myself but not with pbuilder. some reading and training will be good.
[20:42] <yofel> Ezim: I can give you a few pointers in a few minutes, busy right now
[20:43] <Ezim> yofel, we can take another day.
[20:43] <Ezim> :) soccer-match
[20:43] <Ezim> half-time. or later tonight.
[20:44] <yofel> sure
[21:04] <balloons> yofel, thanks for your help.. moving on to i386 alt.. dropping from the channel.. happy coding and testing everyone
[21:41] <Ezim> yofel, free?
[21:42] <apachelogger> where is userconfig living these days?
[21:43] <yofel> Ezim: pretty much
[21:43] <Ezim> yofel, PM me when you have time.
[22:04] <Adri2000> yofel: will you manage to upload digikam before FF? (I don't know exactly at what time starts FF)
[22:05] <yofel> Adri2000: I have no universe upload rights, so I need to wait for Riddell or someone else (debfx ?)
[22:06] <apachelogger> !roeadmap
[22:06] <apachelogger> !roadmap
[22:06] <apachelogger> Oo
[22:06] <micahg> yofel: Adri2000 can help you in that regard :)
[22:07] <apachelogger> oh goody, ui freeze is only next week
[22:07] <yofel> true, now I need to put that somewhere public
[22:09] <apachelogger> Adri2000: FF is at 21 UTC btw
[22:09] <apachelogger> the UTC tomorrow
[22:09] <apachelogger> so 23hrs left or so
[22:10] <apachelogger> yofel: so, what would you have me do? triage bugs or prep the plymouth stuff?
[22:11] <Adri2000> oh, cool, I was afraid it could be 0 UTC, like in 2 hours from now :)
[22:11] <yofel> plymouth, we have a bit more time to do bugs
[22:11] <apachelogger> too bad, I was in a rather bug mood
[22:12] <yofel> well, if you have time for both, do bugs first
[22:12]  * yofel is busy iso testig
[22:12] <yofel> *testing
[22:12]  * apachelogger is doing phonon vlc release in a bit
[22:12] <apachelogger> actually
[22:12] <apachelogger> someone might want to put them somewhere to archive
[22:12] <apachelogger> :P
[22:13] <apachelogger> !info phonon precise
[22:13] <apachelogger> talking about outdated phonon
[22:13] <apachelogger> you just made yourself a grumpy upstream
[22:13] <yofel> we have no phonon packager
[22:14] <yofel> what's current anyway?
[22:14] <apachelogger> 460
[22:14] <yofel> ah, sounds like we want that
[22:15]  * yofel will be home at ~1PM UTC tomorrow unless someone else gets to that first
[22:15] <apachelogger> actually I should poke trever for a pgst release
[22:15] <yofel> Adri2000: 
[22:15] <yofel> oops
[22:15] <apachelogger> I am afraid 4.5 does not build with phonon 4.6 thanks to kde buildsystem people being unhappy with our cmake ^^
[22:16] <yofel> how can one be unhappy with your cmake? :O
[22:16] <yofel> they've obviously not seen calligra's cmake
[22:16] <apachelogger> dunno, we were doing what cmake can do
[22:16] <apachelogger> which is incendtially what pkg-config does
[22:16] <apachelogger> which is also what qmake can do
[22:17]  * apachelogger is actually in favor of writing his own build system because all out there are fail on some level
[22:17] <apachelogger> yofel: quite possibly
[22:17] <apachelogger> The command 'bzr clone' has been deprecated in bzr 2.4. Please use 'bzr branch' instead.
[22:18] <apachelogger> that should read 'Please use git instead.' :P
[22:19] <apachelogger> bambee_: u here?
[22:19] <Adri2000> yofel: so do you need me to upload digikam or can you find someone else during the next 23 hours? (in which case I could go to sleep :p)
[22:19] <yofel> I'll find someone else, gn8
[22:20] <Adri2000> ok, thank you! good night as well to everyone in similar TZs :)
[22:22] <Ezim> welcome Krawlezt :).
[22:22] <Krawlezt> Ezim: Thanks :)
[22:22] <yofel> someone new?
[22:22] <Ezim> yofel, yeah :). clever kid from swedish ubuntu loco channel.
[22:22] <yofel> Ezim++
[22:23] <yofel> welcome Krawlezt
[22:23] <Krawlezt> yofel: Thanks!
[22:30] <Ezim> bed time soon. 
[22:30] <Ezim> yofel, are your work with gtk integr. done for 12.04?
[22:30] <Krawlezt> Ezim: True true :)
[22:31] <yofel> Ezim: done
[22:31] <yofel> now it needs some testing
[22:32] <Ezim> yofel, great. the picture you posted was really great.
[22:32] <Ezim> good improvement 
[22:32] <Ezim> :) now stuff like pavucontrol will look good in 12.04
[22:42] <apachelogger> who needs pavucontrol though?
[22:42] <apachelogger> all its functionality is implemented in the phonon kcm/kmix
[22:43] <Ezim> apachelogger, I need. 
[22:43] <apachelogger> but what for?
[22:43] <Ezim> apachelogger, example to record stuff with recordmydesktop
[22:43] <Ezim> if I wanted to have music instead of my voice
[22:43] <Ezim> :P
[22:44] <Ezim> that is impossible with kmix
[22:44] <apachelogger> please report a bug at bugs.kde.org
[22:44] <Ezim> have not tried phonon to see if there is setting for special application
[22:44] <apachelogger> (kmix gets a rewrite sometime anyway)
[22:44] <apachelogger> Ezim: I think that would be in kmix
[22:44] <apachelogger> as you probably only want to change the input of one application stream
[22:44] <apachelogger> phonon is for global settings
[22:45] <Ezim> apachelogger, thats good. then I would in fet. not install pavucontrol:). 
[22:45] <Ezim> apachelogger, exactly.
[22:47] <maco> the thing where in ubuntu you can overdrive the sound so you play at 120% volume isnt offered by kmix
[22:47] <maco> (this was brought up on the ubuntu-accessibility mailing list)
[22:47] <Ezim> maco, true. veromix or something like that can do that.
[22:48] <apachelogger> software volume ftw
[22:48] <Daviey> apachelogger: Has anyone burned kubuntu lucid amd64 to a cd-r?
[22:48] <Ezim> kmix is good, but compare to ubuntus sound-setting etc it can not today compete.
[22:48] <Daviey> it's 701, it should fit ok.. but just wanted to check someone had done it.
[22:48]  * apachelogger has no idea
[22:49] <apachelogger> yofel: burn amd64 on a cd plz
[22:49] <yofel> Daviey: testers were in #ubuntu-testing, ask there too
[22:49]  * apachelogger doesn't even have that kind of medium :P
[22:49]  * yofel has no optical driver currently
[22:49] <yofel> *drive
[22:49] <Daviey> apachelogger: KDE works best from floppies, right?
[22:49] <charlie-tca> I burned it to a cd-r today before I knew it was oversize
[22:49]  * maco has no burner here
[22:49] <yofel> lol
[22:49] <Daviey>  </troll> :)
[22:49] <apachelogger> usb actually
[22:50] <apachelogger> which reminds me that we need to get away from stupid CDs
[22:50] <apachelogger> keeps annoying me into madness
[22:50] <Daviey> +1
[22:50] <Ezim> apachelogger, +1 
[22:50] <apachelogger> maco: at work I actually removed the entire drive to make my laptop lighter ^^
[22:51] <Ezim> apachelogger, after 12.04 are we forced with cd-size? 
[22:51] <maco> i dont much care about the weight of the desktop at work that already has an extraneous video card
[22:51] <charlie-tca> I can't seem to make usb work right for me so I still use those cd things
[22:51] <apachelogger> Ezim: why would we?
[22:51] <charlie-tca> apachelogger: for people like me?
[22:51]  * yofel is for dropping CD's too
[22:52] <apachelogger> charlie-tca: dvd would be the goto then IMHO
[22:52] <yofel> we can get rid of our -extra packages
[22:52] <Ezim> apachelogger, that was only a question from my part. :)
[22:52] <yofel> that nobody ever finds
[22:52] <maco> charlie-tca: i think my c2010 netbook is the only machine i have that'll boot from a usb stick
[22:52] <apachelogger> charlie-tca: CD just doesn't stand for the quality sacrifices we have to make
[22:52] <maco> the other laptops will boot from a hard drive in a usb enclosure or from cd
[22:52] <charlie-tca> Takes me hours to download a dvd
[22:52] <maco> i'd assume we'd keep the netboot installers around
[22:52] <apachelogger> I did not say that we'd go to DVD size
[22:52] <maco> then you just download the stuff you actually want
[22:52] <yofel> charlie-tca: no, burn ~1GB flash iso on DVD
[22:52] <charlie-tca> But I suppose, if that is what needs to happen... 
[22:53] <apachelogger> but burning to a DVD if usb is no option
[22:53] <apachelogger> DVD is way too big
[22:53] <yofel> as 700MB is totally not something sane for us
[22:53] <maco> charlie-tca: latest discussions of iso size have been setting the max at like a gig and a half, not the entire max capacity of a dvd
[22:53] <apachelogger> CD is just a tad too small
[22:53] <apachelogger> so I think 1GiB would be just about right I believe
[22:53] <Ezim> apachelogger, that was exactly what i meant.
[22:54] <Ezim> :)
[22:54] <maco> charlie-tca: you missed: <apachelogger> so I think 1GiB would be just about right I believe
[22:54] <charlie-tca> yeah, been watching those discussions with unease
[22:54] <yofel> maybe ~1.5, then you can use a 2GiB flash drive with some persistent storage
[22:54] <charlie-tca> 1 GiB might be okay
[22:54] <maco> charlie-tca: the netboot installers should stick around though
[22:54] <charlie-tca> It takes me about two hours now for a cd, though
[22:54] <apachelogger> yofel: I wouldn't know what *useful* things to put on 1.5 TBH
[22:54] <yofel> although 1GiB would probably be enough
[22:54] <yofel> yeah
[22:54] <maco> charlie-tca: with that you can boot from a 11mb cd then itll download & install in one go, and it lets you choose not to install the stuff that you wouldnt use anyway if you want to slim down what it downloads
[22:55] <apachelogger> I mean, we can always pack them with translations, but that is pointless data to some degree
[22:55] <maco> charlie-tca: also then gets you the latest instead of you needing to spend another hour after install getting updates
[22:55] <apachelogger> one can only use one language at a time ;)
[22:55] <charlie-tca> maco: I guess I have to learn how to do that
[22:55] <charlie-tca> I agree with apachelogger about the one language thing, though
[22:56] <apachelogger> anyone understands bug 677996
[22:57] <apachelogger> why does it create the kcm when actually destructing?
[22:59] <debfx> maco: do we have netboot images for kubuntu or do they just install a minimal ubuntu system?
[23:00] <maco> debfx: they dont install ANYTHING until you choose which -desktop metapackage you want
[23:01] <Ezim> bye guys/girl. bed time. have nice testing/coding etc.
[23:01] <maco> mini.iso will install ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu server....
[23:01] <maco> whatever you tell it to
[23:01] <apachelogger> debfx: it's d-i/taskel based
[23:01] <maco> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[23:02] <apachelogger> Ezim: o/ sleep tight
[23:03] <Ezim> apachelogger, thx. 
[23:03] <debfx> ah, ok
[23:05]  * apachelogger munches a cookie and wonders if bambee_ is out drinking again
[23:06] <Riddell> hola
[23:06] <apachelogger> I don't even want to think about how to fix bug 656880 in python :@
[23:06] <apachelogger> yo Riddell
[23:06] <Riddell> Adri2000, yofel: what's the state of digikam?
[23:07] <debfx> so for p+1 we could only provide a ~1GB desktop image and we'd still have an alternate installer with the netboot image
[23:07] <yofel> Riddell: still waiting on review
[23:09]  * Riddell reviews
[23:11] <charlie-tca> It doesn't really matter here what size the images are, I just test them 
[23:12] <charlie-tca> It counts when I have to sync in the middle of the day, though. My internet is only 160K/ps
[23:21] <apachelogger> one of these days  really need to configure my kontact
[23:21] <apachelogger> using gmail for mailing lists is no fun
[23:21] <Riddell> yofel: digikam tar has ~ files in it?
[23:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: you keep telling me they make sense in kate :P
[23:26] <yofel> Riddell: uh yeah
[23:27] <yofel> blame upstream
[23:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: I do?  the existance of ~ files is a nasty kludge caused by limitations in filesystem design or something
[23:30] <apachelogger> kate now does vim like .foo.bkp or something
[23:30] <apachelogger> which are cleared when you save and quit!
[23:30] <apachelogger> s/cleared/deleted
[23:31] <apachelogger> ~files stopped being useful when saving a file did not take minutes
[23:31]  * apachelogger saves a file roughly 5 times per minute
[23:31] <Riddell> they stopped being useful when saving files stopped being useful and revision control became good enough to use everywhere
[23:31] <Riddell> but kde hasn't caught up with that alas even if google has
[23:31] <apachelogger> are you sayng that CVS was not good? :O :O :O
[23:32] <apachelogger> so
[23:32] <apachelogger> bambee_ really needs to continue with userconfig cpp
[23:32] <apachelogger> I am getting insane from looking at the userconfig python code
[23:32] <Riddell> SCCS is all you need
[23:32] <apachelogger> it is mostly scary TBH
[23:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: I lol'd :P
[23:34] <apachelogger> how ever userconfig managed to come into existance with 2 files is beyond me
[23:34] <apachelogger> in fact, that always confused me about our apps
[23:34] <apachelogger> there is absolutely no point in having 3000 classes in one file
[23:38] <rbelem> Riddell, do you have some time to take a look at kde-artwork-active
[23:38] <rbelem> it is the kubuntu-active ppa
[23:38] <Riddell> rbelem: could do (after digikam)
[23:38] <rbelem> oki
[23:39] <rbelem> Riddell, thanks :-)
[23:39] <Krawlezt> yofel, Nice to met your but now i have to leave, goodnight!
[23:40] <yofel> gn
[23:50] <apachelogger> bug 901593 <3 nfs
[23:50] <yofel> yeah, nfs would prevent going into suspend
[23:55] <Riddell> yofel: digikam nice, uploading
[23:55] <yofel> \o/
[23:55] <yofel> I'm almost done with the 10.04 DVD's
[23:58] <Riddell> yofel: oh you're testing them?  awesome