[00:04] * ScottK is working on packaging the quassel beta. [00:09] k, uploaded a hopefully working digikam now [00:09] * yofel is off to bed before he falls asleep on his keyboard - good night [00:49] Uploaded === koolhead17|zzZZ is now known as koolhead17 [05:52] moin [05:54] Riddell: em should be in testers factoid [05:56] hmh, but isn't, readded [07:58] yofel_: thanks for the link to sheytan mockup! [07:59] Riddell: yofel_: if you open lightdm kcm you can pick other themes. One of them looks like this: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/15/preview.png [07:59] Riddell: yofel_: it should be doable to tweak it to look more like sheytan mockup. === fenris is now known as Guest77257 === Guest77257 is now known as ejat [09:39] mmm facebook gmail on telepathy kde gives me error [09:39] !testers [09:39] Testing help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, em [09:39] 10.04.4 candidates need testing :) [09:39] xD Riddell [09:40] peace: they both give the same error? what error? [09:40] unknown error :S [09:40] peace: any logs? [09:40] i am going to paste [09:40] what do you do to get that unhelpful error? [09:40] btw msn works .. [09:41] :) just tried to login on facebook and gmail [09:41] Riddell: [61034.563893] type=1400 audit(1329298359.018:21): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" parent=11737 profile="/usr/lib/telepathy/mission-control-5" name="/tmp/" pid=11738 comm="mission-control" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=1000 ouid=0 [09:41] apparmor? nice [09:41] i guess it's this [09:42] peace: does ~/.cache/ exist? [09:42] checkin [09:43] Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/15/plasma-desktopPw1803.png [09:46] ok so not that problem [09:48] owner @{HOME}/.cache/.mc_connections rw, [09:48] owner @{HOME}/.{cache,config}/dconf/user rw, [09:48] /tmp isn't allowed in the mission-control profile [09:49] very symilar ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-mission-control-5/+bug/816554 [09:49] Launchpad bug 816554 in telepathy-mission-control-5 (Ubuntu Oneiric) "apparmor="DENIED" when launching tp-butterfly" [Low,Fix released] [09:51] no, that was for the other profile in the file [09:53] peace: dunno probably needs a kde-telepathy person to diagnose, are you on precise? [09:53] you could try adding explicit denials for /tmp in the telepathy part of the profile to see if it works [09:53] Riddell: 12.04 yep [09:53] oops, I meant the mission control part [10:10] btw i have done this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-mission-control-5/+bug/932626 [10:10] Error: launchpad bug 932626 not found [10:11] agateau: nice, IMO that looks nicer for a home system. The current login screen is too dry, but better for networks as it scales better. === yofel_ is now known as yofel [10:11] yofel: agreed [10:12] yofel: default is easy to change (either upstream or at packaging level) [10:21] peace: thanks, I"ll have someone look at it in a few hours [10:49] agateau: same problem on that arm build issue in kdecoration_plugins.h http://paste.kde.org/422780/ [10:50] it needs something casted to something to avoid using a double [10:50] or just drop the compiz kde stuff [10:50] * Riddell goes to find other kde people familiar with arm [10:50] NCommand1r: would your elite c++ skills be able to suggest a way forward on that? ^^ [10:51] Riddell: is it failing on the variantListFromStringList() method? [10:51] (method name from memory) [10:51] hmm let me double check [10:53] agateau: it says line 355 which is the second one as I've split it [10:53] return create(classname, 0, parent, vargs, QString()); [10:53] oh no it's not [10:53] it's the first one [10:53] QVariantList vargs = stringListToVariantList(args); [10:53] * agateau looks at the implementation of this method [10:54] /usr/include/kpluginfactory.h KDE_DEPRECATED QObject *create( ... [10:55] "cast from 'QList::Node*' to 'QVariant*'" this would never happen if compiz was coded in python! [10:55] :) [10:57] so the compiler does not like putting the return value of stringListToVariantList back into vargs. mmm. [10:57] not on a platform without double, it's fine on !arm [10:58] it's also a recent issue in code that I don't think has changed so it'll be gcc being more fussy [10:58] what is strange is there is no qreal or double involved in this code [10:58] but it must be thinking something is a double [10:58] which it can't cast to [10:59] the error message does not talk about double at all [10:59] error: cast from 'QList::Node*' to 'QVariant*' increases required alignment of target type [-Werror=cast-align] [10:59] what does this mean "increases required alignment of target type " ? [11:00] I think it has to do with how members in a struct are placed in memory [11:00] on x86 you want your members to be aligned on 4-byte boundaries for faster access [11:00] compiler usually takes care of that [11:01] oh so it's some obscure cast I don't understand, hmm [11:01] One solution^Wwork-around would be to disable the "cast-align" error, but I guess it would open a whole new can of worms [11:02] I'm tempted to say "drop the compiz kde plugins, nobody uses them" [11:02] unless Mek pops up or I can find someone else who knows about ARM [11:03] that is probably wiser [11:04] or port the code not to use the deprecated methods? (not sure that would fix it) [11:04] or that but I've no desire to start porting code for stuff we don't care about [11:04] heh [11:04] ill-baby duties... have to go [11:22] Riddell: where did you get the KDE theme ? [11:22] for light dm [11:22] shadeslayer: wasnae me, ask agateau and d_ed [11:22] oh ok === apol_ is now known as apol [12:27] hey, is it possible to make 386 debs from an amd64 system? [12:27] apol: yes, it needs a debootstrap chroot [12:28] you can also use ec2 [12:28] hm [12:28] ok [12:28] * apol googles debootstrap chroot [12:28] !debootstrap [12:28] debootstrap is used to create a !Debian or Ubuntu base system from scratch, without requiring the availability of !dpkg or !APT. It does this by downloading !.deb files from a mirror site, and carefully unpacking them into a directory you can eventually !chroot into. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot for more information [12:29] omg ubottu you're back [12:29] * shadeslayer huggles ubottu [12:29] xD you summoned him! [12:29] thanks ubottu :D [12:29] *her [12:32] shadeslayer: yeah, the machine she was on had a bit of a meltdown and we had to fixor it [12:33] oh sorry, she's a lady [12:33] jussi: seems like things got 'hot' on valentines day ;) [12:34] lol [12:34] heh [12:34] shadeslayer: wasnt too serious, just a read nly FS for some reason [12:34] shadeslayer: => http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-m9uG50mSw [12:34] xD [12:34] a quick fsck and a reboot helped [12:34] heh [12:34] a quick fsck .... right === peace is now known as Peace- [13:02] yay, working owncloud 3! http://ec2-50-16-158-30.compute-1.amazonaws.com/owncloud/ jr/kubuntu [13:03] at last our own community music system :) [13:04] (works best in firefox) [13:05] Riddell: i am in xd [13:06] Peace-: I recommend The Banana Sessions, fun music [13:06] xD [13:06] interface needs a little patience while you wait for the music to start streaming and some files won't work (no mp3 in firefox?) [13:08] Riddell, can i haz access? [13:08] i have installed ownstuffin my computer too it works fine :D [13:08] :-D [13:08] rbelem: well he wrote the useandpass [13:08] rbelem: jr/kubuntu [13:08] ops... [13:08] thanks [13:10] mm i have tried to copy the chakra layout for panels :) http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/15/plasma-desktoprP1803.png [13:11] very unity like at the bottom [13:11] how do you do that? [13:11] Riddell: javascripting collection of plasma panels :D [13:12] aah [13:12] icontasks customized [13:13] Riddell: http://code.google.com/p/kde-peace-settings/source/browse/Plama-Panels-Collection/usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma/layout-templates/org.kde.plasma-desktop.chakranspiredPanel/contents/layout.js [13:13] yofel: one has only so much time per day :P [13:14] Riddell: btw good music :D [13:16] Peace-: it's from Scotland, we make the best music :) === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch [13:38] are we changning to lightdm for 12.04? [13:38] no [13:40] Riddell, :) good. [13:42] a strange question === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | 10.04.4 needing testing | top Scottish music http://ec2-50-16-158-30.compute-1.amazonaws.com/owncloud/ jr/kubuntu | http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-kubuntu.html TODOs! | Kubuntu is alive and weller than before!! Read:http://wp.me/pQ8xr-gr [13:53] yofel, debfx: gtk stuff in yet? [13:53] Riddell: owncloud in yet? [13:55] 'Morning all [13:59] major update/upgrade today [14:00] for 12.04 that is [14:01] BluesKaj, did every thing went good? [14:01] still updating [14:02] apachelogger_: just uploaded [14:02] apachelogger_: tried it out? [14:03] BluesKaj, hope it goes well. [14:04] Riddell: ah, the one on amazon is from packages? [14:04] apachelogger_: yes [14:04] i don't have a superfast connection , capped at 750kb/s [14:04] oho [14:05] BluesKaj, I have 10/10 :). [14:05] Riddell: btw, lightdm works for simple things ^^ [14:05] dual screen setp -> fail for example [14:05] though I suspect that is the qml greeters fault [14:05] apachelogger_: half a complement at least :) [14:05] agateau: ^^ [14:05] yeah, it works WRT login :) [14:05] also the kcm is not working for me (the actual ldm settings that is) [14:06] anywho, we need to reengage upstream discussion as ossi claims to have no time for kdm anymore [14:06] so it looks like a dead-end now [14:07] is there one? [14:07] Ezim, new kernel 3.2.0-6 [14:07] * Peace- xD Banana sessions [14:07] Riddell: one = ? [14:07] err 3.2.0-16 [14:08] BluesKaj, cool. I will maybe compile myself new kernel (takes so damn long time on my laptop). [14:08] apachelogger_: I found it but not in system settings [14:08] agateau: that kcm needs keywords to search on and does it really exist in system settings? [14:09] Ezim, no point in compiling new kernel , unless you like wearing hair shirts :) [14:09] BluesKaj, hehe, its fun. :P [14:11] Riddell: are we still missing anything for feature freeze? [14:11] with kwin effect running it seems adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin-properties-kde works much better then flashplugin-installer/downloader. [14:11] Riddell: I don't think the kcm is in systemsettings [14:11] even when searching for name I did not find it ^^ [14:12] same for you guys/girls or only me? [14:12] apachelogger_: kubuntu active, we have the packages, we need the seeds and cd image tweaks [14:13] apachelogger_: kdevelop update [14:13] Riddell: apachelogger_: it appears in systemsettings for me, as "Login Manager" [14:13] qtscriptgenerator we need 0.2.0 with Qt 4.8 [14:13] oh [14:13] then the desktop files might be wrong [14:13] as login manager I have kdm [14:14] agateau: oh yes, it needs the same icon as KDM one else it's not recognisable, and it needs keywords so you can search [14:14] most of the kcm settings indeed do not work, we need to figure it out. I just rushed for FF to ensure at least the kcm writes the correct keys in lightdm config files [14:14] agateau: are you able to take that upstream? [14:14] so my immediate guess would be that kdm and ldm have a too equal desktop file and kdm overloads it ^^ [14:14] or are you the upstream? [14:14] Riddell: I am part of upstream, yes [14:14] apachelogger_: "lightdm", "ldm" is something else [14:15] kde is the upstream :P [14:15] apachelogger_: lightdm is sadly not part of kde as far as I know [14:15] Riddell: what is ldm then? [14:15] Riddell: the kde greeter is [14:15] so is the kcm [14:15] which are the parts we care about here :P [14:15] apachelogger_: ldm is a remote login manager used on LTSP setups [14:16] Riddell: I am busy on something else for FF right now, if you have an update to the desktop file, I am happy to push it in [14:16] how very silly [14:16] agateau: no I don't, just a note to get it done at some point is all it needs [14:16] Riddell: ok [14:16] * agateau adds a note [14:17] Ezim, on 64 bit one just needs to download the, "install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz" , and place the libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins , without using that clunky nswrapperplugin [14:18] apachelogger_: Riddell: so, "same icon as kdm kcm", "keywords", anything else? [14:18] ScottK: so we drop ubuntu language stuff? [14:21] BluesKaj, I have flashplugin-alternative.so there. === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback [14:22] mm but the wallpaper of kde 4.8.... i am the only that is thinking it's ... horrible!? [14:22] Peace-, I agree. [14:23] agateau: and fix all the bugs please :) [14:23] Ezim: i guess it's the worst i have ever seen [14:24] Riddell: that goes without saying! :) [14:24] Peace-: its a 4:3 resolution wallpaper but i like it. not again a blue or blue+dark one [14:24] so who's got good music we can listen to on the owncloud? [14:25] playback does not work here :( [14:25] apachelogger_: firefox? [14:25] chrome [14:25] or chromium [14:25] or something [14:25] apachelogger_: yeah it's buggy [14:25] kaput [14:25] more intersting is whether it works with rekonq ;) [14:25] owncloud just uses the html 5 bits and I think only firefox is reliable with it [14:25] I doubt it [14:25] and I really need to go buy something to eat now [14:26] Ezim, , Peace- , you can always import your own wallpapers, or use your own photos [14:26] BluesKaj: well ... i guess i know xD [14:30] Riddell, the HTML5 trial on youtube runs well on chromium too [14:32] one would hope so [14:34] BluesKaj, true, but the kde 4.7* wallpaper is much nicer [14:34] :P should be default in 12.04 [14:34] also boot-splash not plymouth looks bad compare to 4.7 [14:34] only dislikes I have with 4.8.* [14:36] mikecb, have you tried rekonq on HTML5? ...not much point on flash sites [14:37] nope [14:37] it's not quite there for me yet [14:38] unfortuntely it still needs some work alright [14:38] it's not quite there for all but the hardest KDE fans, web browser is a notable lack in KDE's offering (ironically) [14:38] didn't kde start webkit? [14:39] (or it was forked from something kde did) [14:39] khtml = [14:40] konqueror has been abanodoned with a few fixes , it used to be my default browser for a while [14:41] i have modified kio_httprc file to work better with google+ so konqueror works .... [14:41] xD [14:41] wa on a pure kde experiment during that time , 8.10 I think it was [14:41] nice [14:55] mikecb, I think apple started webkit. [14:56] yeah, but they forked it from khtml [14:57] mikecb, okey then you know more then me :). [14:57] :) [15:55] shadeslayer: where is telepathy-qt4? I don't see it on http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/releases/telepathy-qt4/ [15:55] because it's called telepathy-qt now :) [15:55] http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/releases/telepathy-qt/ [15:55] oh how confusing [15:55] yeah [15:55] http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/releases/telepathy-qt/ ? [15:55] yep [15:56] they switched only recently, which is why there is a bit of confusion everywhere [15:56] old patches not applying because of the rename etc [15:58] a shame they don't keep their wiki page up to date [15:59] shadeslayer: how's bug 932842 ? [15:59] Launchpad bug 932842 in telepathy-qt4 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] telepathy-qt4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/932842 [15:59] you have no idea how horribly outdated stuff is on freedesktop wikis [15:59] looking [16:00] also bug 932833 [16:00] Launchpad bug 932833 in meta-kde-telepathy (Ubuntu) "[MIR] telepathy-kde" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/932833 [16:00] looks good [16:01] looking at the ktp MIR [16:01] "You are not allowed to edit this page. " yeah, they need KDE's sysadmins at freedesktop [16:01] that looks good as well [16:01] :D [16:01] freedesktop is weird, even their tracker is not very good [16:01] fwiw Launchpad has a awesome bug tracker [16:03] freedesktop has always been weird, it's a political football [16:09] :( [16:10] looking good for KDE here http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/uehs/no_updated.html [16:10] or maybe we don't have decent watch file coverage, I've never used that site before [16:10] hupnp is out of date but I don't think kde needs that currently === alvin_ is now known as alvin [16:21] there are new upstream versions of shared-desktop-ontologies, digikam, virtuoso and phonon [16:22] I'm doing virtuoso now [16:22] yofel still on digikam? [16:23] new cagibi too (well a year old actually) that explains the hupnp missing I guess [16:23] phonon? tsk why don't we have a handy phonon upstream to poke us about that? [16:26] good question. an upstream developer who does the packaging himself would be even better [16:28] drat debian don't document how they make virtuoso dfsg happy [16:30] Riddell: debian/gbp.conf has the filter list [16:33] ScottK: is quassel 0.8 beta usable? [16:37] debfx: so it does, do you know what that file is for? [16:37] hi koolhead17, see topic for owncloud fun [16:39] Riddell: now this is awesome!! indeed :) [16:40] koolhead17: I thought so, Scottish music is the best :) [16:41] Riddell: you should have shared it with Frank too :) he would be super happy [16:41] frank doesn't do irc alas [16:41] Riddell: it's a git-buildpackage config file. if you clone the git repository you can do git-import-orig X.orig.tar.gz [16:42] Riddell: you want me to mail him for this fun!! :D hehe [16:43] koolhead17: sure (although I'll take down the server when I get bored [16:43] 0.o [16:43] lightdm pulls in unity [16:43] so upload more music to stop me getting bored! [16:43] shadeslayer: oh really? [16:43] agateau: ^^ [16:43] Riddell: yes [16:43] shadeslayer: unity in kubuntu ? :P [16:43] brrrr [16:44] lightdm isn't in kubuntu (yet) [16:44] Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/422996/ [16:44] tsk tsk [16:44] Riddell: damn [16:44] also, nautilus [16:45] now we know what happens when you install nautilus on Kubuntu with KDE don't we [16:45] shadeslayer: no what happens? [16:45] oh you don't know? [16:45] last time I installed it, it started drawing the desktop [16:45] it probably wants a greeter and if you don't select one it pulls in the unity greeter [16:45] why use nautilus when dolphin makes the job done? [16:46] Ezim: you don't but lightdm pulls in nautilus which might try to act smart and associate itself with mimetypes [16:46] Riddell: lightdm recommends unity-greeter | lightdm-greeter [16:46] so as soon as you click anot folder or something, boom [16:46] Riddell: but lightdm-kde-greeter provides lightdm-greeter, so it should be good, no? [16:47] we don't have lightdm-kde-greeter [16:47] shadeslayer, I see. [16:47] not tyhat I can see anywa [16:47] *not that I can see anyway [16:47] shadeslayer: oh you're just installing "lightdm"? [16:47] yes [16:47] well that explains it [16:47] install lightdm-kde-greeter [16:47] but we don't have lightdm-kde-greeter [16:47] !info lightdm-kde-greeter [16:47] Package lightdm-kde-greeter does not exist in oneiric [16:47] !info lightdm-kde-greeter precise [16:47] Package lightdm-kde-greeter does not exist in precise [16:47] :( [16:48] * Riddell hunts in New [16:48] btw, anyone here know what the term 'Lateral Hiring' means? [16:48] rmadison lightdm-kde-greeter [16:48] lightdm-kde-greeter | 0.0.git20120214-0ubuntu1 | precise/universe | amd64, armel, armhf, i386 [16:49] What I found on the internet doesn't quite go with the tone of the email I got :P [16:49] apachelogger_: gtk stuff is up [16:49] Riddell: well, fixing overwrite errors as I see them, otherwise done [16:50] yofel: digikam? want me to look over it and upload? [16:51] doing another upgrade test, if that works fine shipit [16:52] debfx: According to upstream. [16:52] apachelogger_: Next cycle. Once we're in Univese is mostly goes away anyway. [16:57] Riddell: worked fine now, feel free to look at it [16:57] the diff is rather large as that's our first 2.X merge [16:58] yofel: in ninjas? [16:58] yes [16:58] Riddell: found frank online, shared it with him :P [17:02] Riddell: seems like it was stuck in new [17:03] bbiab [17:06] agateau: there's a weird bug in the line where you enter your username I think [17:06] there's some sort of highlighting in the middle, that doesn't extend all the way to the sides [17:07] other than that, it's awesome [17:07] shadeslayer: yes, that is super ugly [17:07] :P [17:07] shadeslayer: seems like the image drawing the focus rect is broken [17:07] hehe [17:08] ah [17:08] that's supposed to be the focus thing [17:08] makes more sense now [17:12] shadeslayer: not there now [17:14] one user in swedish loco (channel) have problem with wallpaper changning back to default when the person wants to use his own. [17:14] I have never had this issue. [17:14] bug? [17:15] .kde/share/wallpapers should it be saved. correct? [17:18] BBL [17:18] bbl? [17:19] ScottK: testing 10.04.4 desktop 64; when restarting from a live session, my monitor turns off and there is no prompt to hit enter to continue. This is, I believe, an old bug [17:23] Ezim: be back later [17:24] yofel, okey :). [17:24] Ezim: sounds like bug 923188 if someone has time to figure out what's wrong [17:24] Launchpad bug 923188 in Kubuntu PPA "Changed wallpapers without asking upon upgrade to 4.8.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923188 [17:25] yofel, thx friend. [17:27] yofel, for me its np. maybe something is wrong in usr/share/wallpapers [17:27] ? [17:27] yofel, this user uses kde 4.7.* [17:27] unlikely, that's where the wallpapers themselves are located. Not the settings [17:27] * yofel is clueless [17:28] yofel, but when apply choosen wallpaper the wallpaper is saved were? [17:28] usr/share/wallpapers [17:28] right? [17:28] no, a user has no write permissions for that folder [17:28] or .kde/share/wallpapers [17:28] they'll end up somewhere in ~/ [17:28] don't ask me where [17:30] charlie-tca: Yes. It is. [17:31] yofel, it should be there. only logical place for me :). [17:33] Ezim: seems the wallpaper setting for me is in .kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc [17:33] Ezim: could you maybe ask him to provide his? (and check first if there's anything private in it) [17:35] and do check if the wallpaper file actually got stored somewhere. Mine is somewhere else and I imported it into the wallpaper selection screen later [17:39] cool, dolphin search working nicely (before and after virtuoso upgrade) [17:43] fun 94MB upload for virtuoso [17:45] yofel, I think I understand [17:46] I have to wallpapers (1 desktop +1 virt.) [17:46] but I do not understand why one is 70 and one is 71 [17:48] :) it was much easier then that. the user forgott to pick different graphical component... [17:51] yofel, can it be so easy for that person also [17:52] if he/she uses desktop/virtualdesktop [17:52] http://imgur.com/HatL2 [17:52] and have forgotten to mark it [17:52] like my picture [17:53] if you have 2-3 desktop and the thing is not marked it will not save wallpapers a person pick [17:53] thats the why I have understand it [18:01] I don't have that checkbox checked [18:04] yofel, and you are running how many desktop/virtual? [18:04] different wallpaper in every one? === koolhead17 is now known as koolhead17|afk [18:17]