[00:04] * ScottK is working on packaging the quassel beta. [00:09] k, uploaded a hopefully working digikam now [00:09] * yofel is off to bed before he falls asleep on his keyboard - good night [00:49] Uploaded === koolhead17|zzZZ is now known as koolhead17 [05:52] moin [05:54] Riddell: em should be in testers factoid [05:56] hmh, but isn't, readded [07:58] yofel_: thanks for the link to sheytan mockup! [07:59] Riddell: yofel_: if you open lightdm kcm you can pick other themes. One of them looks like this: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/15/preview.png [07:59] Riddell: yofel_: it should be doable to tweak it to look more like sheytan mockup. === fenris is now known as Guest77257 === Guest77257 is now known as ejat [09:39] mmm facebook gmail on telepathy kde gives me error [09:39] !testers [09:39] Testing help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, em [09:39] 10.04.4 candidates need testing :) [09:39] xD Riddell [09:40] peace: they both give the same error? what error? [09:40] unknown error :S [09:40] peace: any logs? [09:40] i am going to paste [09:40] what do you do to get that unhelpful error? [09:40] btw msn works .. [09:41] :) just tried to login on facebook and gmail [09:41] Riddell: [61034.563893] type=1400 audit(1329298359.018:21): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" parent=11737 profile="/usr/lib/telepathy/mission-control-5" name="/tmp/" pid=11738 comm="mission-control" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=1000 ouid=0 [09:41] apparmor? nice [09:41] i guess it's this [09:42] peace: does ~/.cache/ exist? [09:42] checkin [09:43] Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/15/plasma-desktopPw1803.png [09:46] ok so not that problem [09:48] owner @{HOME}/.cache/.mc_connections rw, [09:48] owner @{HOME}/.{cache,config}/dconf/user rw, [09:48] /tmp isn't allowed in the mission-control profile [09:49] very symilar ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-mission-control-5/+bug/816554 [09:49] Launchpad bug 816554 in telepathy-mission-control-5 (Ubuntu Oneiric) "apparmor="DENIED" when launching tp-butterfly" [Low,Fix released] [09:51] no, that was for the other profile in the file [09:53] peace: dunno probably needs a kde-telepathy person to diagnose, are you on precise? [09:53] you could try adding explicit denials for /tmp in the telepathy part of the profile to see if it works [09:53] Riddell: 12.04 yep [09:53] oops, I meant the mission control part [10:10] btw i have done this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-mission-control-5/+bug/932626 [10:10] Error: launchpad bug 932626 not found [10:11] agateau: nice, IMO that looks nicer for a home system. The current login screen is too dry, but better for networks as it scales better. === yofel_ is now known as yofel [10:11] yofel: agreed [10:12] yofel: default is easy to change (either upstream or at packaging level) [10:21] peace: thanks, I"ll have someone look at it in a few hours [10:49] agateau: same problem on that arm build issue in kdecoration_plugins.h http://paste.kde.org/422780/ [10:50] it needs something casted to something to avoid using a double [10:50] or just drop the compiz kde stuff [10:50] * Riddell goes to find other kde people familiar with arm [10:50] NCommand1r: would your elite c++ skills be able to suggest a way forward on that? ^^ [10:51] Riddell: is it failing on the variantListFromStringList() method? [10:51] (method name from memory) [10:51] hmm let me double check [10:53] agateau: it says line 355 which is the second one as I've split it [10:53] return create(classname, 0, parent, vargs, QString()); [10:53] oh no it's not [10:53] it's the first one [10:53] QVariantList vargs = stringListToVariantList(args); [10:53] * agateau looks at the implementation of this method [10:54] /usr/include/kpluginfactory.h KDE_DEPRECATED QObject *create( ... [10:55] "cast from 'QList::Node*' to 'QVariant*'" this would never happen if compiz was coded in python! [10:55] :) [10:57] so the compiler does not like putting the return value of stringListToVariantList back into vargs. mmm. [10:57] not on a platform without double, it's fine on !arm [10:58] it's also a recent issue in code that I don't think has changed so it'll be gcc being more fussy [10:58] what is strange is there is no qreal or double involved in this code [10:58] but it must be thinking something is a double [10:58] which it can't cast to [10:59] the error message does not talk about double at all [10:59] error: cast from 'QList::Node*' to 'QVariant*' increases required alignment of target type [-Werror=cast-align] [10:59] what does this mean "increases required alignment of target type " ? [11:00] I think it has to do with how members in a struct are placed in memory [11:00] on x86 you want your members to be aligned on 4-byte boundaries for faster access [11:00] compiler usually takes care of that [11:01] oh so it's some obscure cast I don't understand, hmm [11:01] One solution^Wwork-around would be to disable the "cast-align" error, but I guess it would open a whole new can of worms [11:02] I'm tempted to say "drop the compiz kde plugins, nobody uses them" [11:02] unless Mek pops up or I can find someone else who knows about ARM [11:03] that is probably wiser [11:04] or port the code not to use the deprecated methods? (not sure that would fix it) [11:04] or that but I've no desire to start porting code for stuff we don't care about [11:04] heh [11:04] ill-baby duties... have to go [11:22] Riddell: where did you get the KDE theme ? [11:22] for light dm [11:22] shadeslayer: wasnae me, ask agateau and d_ed [11:22] oh ok === apol_ is now known as apol [12:27] hey, is it possible to make 386 debs from an amd64 system? [12:27] apol: yes, it needs a debootstrap chroot [12:28] you can also use ec2 [12:28] hm [12:28] ok [12:28] * apol googles debootstrap chroot [12:28] !debootstrap [12:28] debootstrap is used to create a !Debian or Ubuntu base system from scratch, without requiring the availability of !dpkg or !APT. It does this by downloading !.deb files from a mirror site, and carefully unpacking them into a directory you can eventually !chroot into. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot for more information [12:29] omg ubottu you're back [12:29] * shadeslayer huggles ubottu [12:29] xD you summoned him! [12:29] thanks ubottu :D [12:29] *her [12:32] shadeslayer: yeah, the machine she was on had a bit of a meltdown and we had to fixor it [12:33] oh sorry, she's a lady [12:33] jussi: seems like things got 'hot' on valentines day ;) [12:34] lol [12:34] heh [12:34] shadeslayer: wasnt too serious, just a read nly FS for some reason [12:34] shadeslayer: => http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-m9uG50mSw [12:34] xD [12:34] a quick fsck and a reboot helped [12:34] heh [12:34] a quick fsck .... right === peace is now known as Peace- [13:02] yay, working owncloud 3! http://ec2-50-16-158-30.compute-1.amazonaws.com/owncloud/ jr/kubuntu [13:03] at last our own community music system :) [13:04] (works best in firefox) [13:05] Riddell: i am in xd [13:06] Peace-: I recommend The Banana Sessions, fun music [13:06] xD [13:06] interface needs a little patience while you wait for the music to start streaming and some files won't work (no mp3 in firefox?) [13:08] Riddell, can i haz access? [13:08] i have installed ownstuffin my computer too it works fine :D [13:08] :-D [13:08] rbelem: well he wrote the useandpass [13:08] rbelem: jr/kubuntu [13:08] ops... [13:08] thanks [13:10] mm i have tried to copy the chakra layout for panels :) http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/15/plasma-desktoprP1803.png [13:11] very unity like at the bottom [13:11] how do you do that? [13:11] Riddell: javascripting collection of plasma panels :D [13:12] aah [13:12] icontasks customized [13:13] Riddell: http://code.google.com/p/kde-peace-settings/source/browse/Plama-Panels-Collection/usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma/layout-templates/org.kde.plasma-desktop.chakranspiredPanel/contents/layout.js [13:13] yofel: one has only so much time per day :P [13:14] Riddell: btw good music :D [13:16] Peace-: it's from Scotland, we make the best music :) === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch [13:38] are we changning to lightdm for 12.04? [13:38] no [13:40] Riddell, :) good. [13:42] a strange question === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | 10.04.4 needing testing | top Scottish music http://ec2-50-16-158-30.compute-1.amazonaws.com/owncloud/ jr/kubuntu | http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-kubuntu.html TODOs! | Kubuntu is alive and weller than before!! Read:http://wp.me/pQ8xr-gr [13:53] yofel, debfx: gtk stuff in yet? [13:53] Riddell: owncloud in yet? [13:55] 'Morning all [13:59] major update/upgrade today [14:00] for 12.04 that is [14:01] BluesKaj, did every thing went good? [14:01] still updating [14:02] apachelogger_: just uploaded [14:02] apachelogger_: tried it out? [14:03] BluesKaj, hope it goes well. [14:04] Riddell: ah, the one on amazon is from packages? [14:04] apachelogger_: yes [14:04] i don't have a superfast connection , capped at 750kb/s [14:04] oho [14:05] BluesKaj, I have 10/10 :). [14:05] Riddell: btw, lightdm works for simple things ^^ [14:05] dual screen setp -> fail for example [14:05] though I suspect that is the qml greeters fault [14:05] apachelogger_: half a complement at least :) [14:05] agateau: ^^ [14:05] yeah, it works WRT login :) [14:05] also the kcm is not working for me (the actual ldm settings that is) [14:06] anywho, we need to reengage upstream discussion as ossi claims to have no time for kdm anymore [14:06] so it looks like a dead-end now [14:07] is there one? [14:07] Ezim, new kernel 3.2.0-6 [14:07] * Peace- xD Banana sessions [14:07] Riddell: one = ? [14:07] err 3.2.0-16 [14:08] BluesKaj, cool. I will maybe compile myself new kernel (takes so damn long time on my laptop). [14:08] apachelogger_: I found it but not in system settings [14:08] agateau: that kcm needs keywords to search on and does it really exist in system settings? [14:09] Ezim, no point in compiling new kernel , unless you like wearing hair shirts :) [14:09] BluesKaj, hehe, its fun. :P [14:11] Riddell: are we still missing anything for feature freeze? [14:11] with kwin effect running it seems adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin-properties-kde works much better then flashplugin-installer/downloader. [14:11] Riddell: I don't think the kcm is in systemsettings [14:11] even when searching for name I did not find it ^^ [14:12] same for you guys/girls or only me? [14:12] apachelogger_: kubuntu active, we have the packages, we need the seeds and cd image tweaks [14:13] apachelogger_: kdevelop update [14:13] Riddell: apachelogger_: it appears in systemsettings for me, as "Login Manager" [14:13] qtscriptgenerator we need 0.2.0 with Qt 4.8 [14:13] oh [14:13] then the desktop files might be wrong [14:13] as login manager I have kdm [14:14] agateau: oh yes, it needs the same icon as KDM one else it's not recognisable, and it needs keywords so you can search [14:14] most of the kcm settings indeed do not work, we need to figure it out. I just rushed for FF to ensure at least the kcm writes the correct keys in lightdm config files [14:14] agateau: are you able to take that upstream? [14:14] so my immediate guess would be that kdm and ldm have a too equal desktop file and kdm overloads it ^^ [14:14] or are you the upstream? [14:14] Riddell: I am part of upstream, yes [14:14] apachelogger_: "lightdm", "ldm" is something else [14:15] kde is the upstream :P [14:15] apachelogger_: lightdm is sadly not part of kde as far as I know [14:15] Riddell: what is ldm then? [14:15] Riddell: the kde greeter is [14:15] so is the kcm [14:15] which are the parts we care about here :P [14:15] apachelogger_: ldm is a remote login manager used on LTSP setups [14:16] Riddell: I am busy on something else for FF right now, if you have an update to the desktop file, I am happy to push it in [14:16] how very silly [14:16] agateau: no I don't, just a note to get it done at some point is all it needs [14:16] Riddell: ok [14:16] * agateau adds a note [14:17] Ezim, on 64 bit one just needs to download the, "install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz" , and place the libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins , without using that clunky nswrapperplugin [14:18] apachelogger_: Riddell: so, "same icon as kdm kcm", "keywords", anything else? [14:18] ScottK: so we drop ubuntu language stuff? [14:21] BluesKaj, I have flashplugin-alternative.so there. === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback [14:22] mm but the wallpaper of kde 4.8.... i am the only that is thinking it's ... horrible!? [14:22] Peace-, I agree. [14:23] agateau: and fix all the bugs please :) [14:23] Ezim: i guess it's the worst i have ever seen [14:24] Riddell: that goes without saying! :) [14:24] Peace-: its a 4:3 resolution wallpaper but i like it. not again a blue or blue+dark one [14:24] so who's got good music we can listen to on the owncloud? [14:25] playback does not work here :( [14:25] apachelogger_: firefox? [14:25] chrome [14:25] or chromium [14:25] or something [14:25] apachelogger_: yeah it's buggy [14:25] kaput [14:25] more intersting is whether it works with rekonq ;) [14:25] owncloud just uses the html 5 bits and I think only firefox is reliable with it [14:25] I doubt it [14:25] and I really need to go buy something to eat now [14:26] Ezim, , Peace- , you can always import your own wallpapers, or use your own photos [14:26] BluesKaj: well ... i guess i know xD [14:30] Riddell, the HTML5 trial on youtube runs well on chromium too [14:32] one would hope so [14:34] BluesKaj, true, but the kde 4.7* wallpaper is much nicer [14:34] :P should be default in 12.04 [14:34] also boot-splash not plymouth looks bad compare to 4.7 [14:34] only dislikes I have with 4.8.* [14:36] mikecb, have you tried rekonq on HTML5? ...not much point on flash sites [14:37] nope [14:37] it's not quite there for me yet [14:38] unfortuntely it still needs some work alright [14:38] it's not quite there for all but the hardest KDE fans, web browser is a notable lack in KDE's offering (ironically) [14:38] didn't kde start webkit? [14:39] (or it was forked from something kde did) [14:39] khtml = [14:40] konqueror has been abanodoned with a few fixes , it used to be my default browser for a while [14:41] i have modified kio_httprc file to work better with google+ so konqueror works .... [14:41] xD [14:41] wa on a pure kde experiment during that time , 8.10 I think it was [14:41] nice [14:55] mikecb, I think apple started webkit. [14:56] yeah, but they forked it from khtml [14:57] mikecb, okey then you know more then me :). [14:57] :) [15:55] shadeslayer: where is telepathy-qt4? I don't see it on http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/releases/telepathy-qt4/ [15:55] because it's called telepathy-qt now :) [15:55] http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/releases/telepathy-qt/ [15:55] oh how confusing [15:55] yeah [15:55] http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/releases/telepathy-qt/ ? [15:55] yep [15:56] they switched only recently, which is why there is a bit of confusion everywhere [15:56] old patches not applying because of the rename etc [15:58] a shame they don't keep their wiki page up to date [15:59] shadeslayer: how's bug 932842 ? [15:59] Launchpad bug 932842 in telepathy-qt4 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] telepathy-qt4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/932842 [15:59] you have no idea how horribly outdated stuff is on freedesktop wikis [15:59] looking [16:00] also bug 932833 [16:00] Launchpad bug 932833 in meta-kde-telepathy (Ubuntu) "[MIR] telepathy-kde" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/932833 [16:00] looks good [16:01] looking at the ktp MIR [16:01] "You are not allowed to edit this page. " yeah, they need KDE's sysadmins at freedesktop [16:01] that looks good as well [16:01] :D [16:01] freedesktop is weird, even their tracker is not very good [16:01] fwiw Launchpad has a awesome bug tracker [16:03] freedesktop has always been weird, it's a political football [16:09] :( [16:10] looking good for KDE here http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/uehs/no_updated.html [16:10] or maybe we don't have decent watch file coverage, I've never used that site before [16:10] hupnp is out of date but I don't think kde needs that currently === alvin_ is now known as alvin [16:21] there are new upstream versions of shared-desktop-ontologies, digikam, virtuoso and phonon [16:22] I'm doing virtuoso now [16:22] yofel still on digikam? [16:23] new cagibi too (well a year old actually) that explains the hupnp missing I guess [16:23] phonon? tsk why don't we have a handy phonon upstream to poke us about that? [16:26] good question. an upstream developer who does the packaging himself would be even better [16:28] drat debian don't document how they make virtuoso dfsg happy [16:30] Riddell: debian/gbp.conf has the filter list [16:33] ScottK: is quassel 0.8 beta usable? [16:37] debfx: so it does, do you know what that file is for? [16:37] hi koolhead17, see topic for owncloud fun [16:39] Riddell: now this is awesome!! indeed :) [16:40] koolhead17: I thought so, Scottish music is the best :) [16:41] Riddell: you should have shared it with Frank too :) he would be super happy [16:41] frank doesn't do irc alas [16:41] Riddell: it's a git-buildpackage config file. if you clone the git repository you can do git-import-orig X.orig.tar.gz [16:42] Riddell: you want me to mail him for this fun!! :D hehe [16:43] koolhead17: sure (although I'll take down the server when I get bored [16:43] 0.o [16:43] lightdm pulls in unity [16:43] so upload more music to stop me getting bored! [16:43] shadeslayer: oh really? [16:43] agateau: ^^ [16:43] Riddell: yes [16:43] shadeslayer: unity in kubuntu ? :P [16:43] brrrr [16:44] lightdm isn't in kubuntu (yet) [16:44] Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/422996/ [16:44] tsk tsk [16:44] Riddell: damn [16:44] also, nautilus [16:45] now we know what happens when you install nautilus on Kubuntu with KDE don't we [16:45] shadeslayer: no what happens? [16:45] oh you don't know? [16:45] last time I installed it, it started drawing the desktop [16:45] it probably wants a greeter and if you don't select one it pulls in the unity greeter [16:45] why use nautilus when dolphin makes the job done? [16:46] Ezim: you don't but lightdm pulls in nautilus which might try to act smart and associate itself with mimetypes [16:46] Riddell: lightdm recommends unity-greeter | lightdm-greeter [16:46] so as soon as you click anot folder or something, boom [16:46] Riddell: but lightdm-kde-greeter provides lightdm-greeter, so it should be good, no? [16:47] we don't have lightdm-kde-greeter [16:47] shadeslayer, I see. [16:47] not tyhat I can see anywa [16:47] *not that I can see anyway [16:47] shadeslayer: oh you're just installing "lightdm"? [16:47] yes [16:47] well that explains it [16:47] install lightdm-kde-greeter [16:47] but we don't have lightdm-kde-greeter [16:47] !info lightdm-kde-greeter [16:47] Package lightdm-kde-greeter does not exist in oneiric [16:47] !info lightdm-kde-greeter precise [16:47] Package lightdm-kde-greeter does not exist in precise [16:47] :( [16:48] * Riddell hunts in New [16:48] btw, anyone here know what the term 'Lateral Hiring' means? [16:48] rmadison lightdm-kde-greeter [16:48] lightdm-kde-greeter | 0.0.git20120214-0ubuntu1 | precise/universe | amd64, armel, armhf, i386 [16:49] What I found on the internet doesn't quite go with the tone of the email I got :P [16:49] apachelogger_: gtk stuff is up [16:49] Riddell: well, fixing overwrite errors as I see them, otherwise done [16:50] yofel: digikam? want me to look over it and upload? [16:51] doing another upgrade test, if that works fine shipit [16:52] debfx: According to upstream. [16:52] apachelogger_: Next cycle. Once we're in Univese is mostly goes away anyway. [16:57] Riddell: worked fine now, feel free to look at it [16:57] the diff is rather large as that's our first 2.X merge [16:58] yofel: in ninjas? [16:58] yes [16:58] Riddell: found frank online, shared it with him :P [17:02] Riddell: seems like it was stuck in new [17:03] bbiab [17:06] agateau: there's a weird bug in the line where you enter your username I think [17:06] there's some sort of highlighting in the middle, that doesn't extend all the way to the sides [17:07] other than that, it's awesome [17:07] shadeslayer: yes, that is super ugly [17:07] :P [17:07] shadeslayer: seems like the image drawing the focus rect is broken [17:07] hehe [17:08] ah [17:08] that's supposed to be the focus thing [17:08] makes more sense now [17:12] shadeslayer: not there now [17:14] one user in swedish loco (channel) have problem with wallpaper changning back to default when the person wants to use his own. [17:14] I have never had this issue. [17:14] bug? [17:15] .kde/share/wallpapers should it be saved. correct? [17:18] BBL [17:18] bbl? [17:19] ScottK: testing 10.04.4 desktop 64; when restarting from a live session, my monitor turns off and there is no prompt to hit enter to continue. This is, I believe, an old bug [17:23] Ezim: be back later [17:24] yofel, okey :). [17:24] Ezim: sounds like bug 923188 if someone has time to figure out what's wrong [17:24] Launchpad bug 923188 in Kubuntu PPA "Changed wallpapers without asking upon upgrade to 4.8.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923188 [17:25] yofel, thx friend. [17:27] yofel, for me its np. maybe something is wrong in usr/share/wallpapers [17:27] ? [17:27] yofel, this user uses kde 4.7.* [17:27] unlikely, that's where the wallpapers themselves are located. Not the settings [17:27] * yofel is clueless [17:28] yofel, but when apply choosen wallpaper the wallpaper is saved were? [17:28] usr/share/wallpapers [17:28] right? [17:28] no, a user has no write permissions for that folder [17:28] or .kde/share/wallpapers [17:28] they'll end up somewhere in ~/ [17:28] don't ask me where [17:30] charlie-tca: Yes. It is. [17:31] yofel, it should be there. only logical place for me :). [17:33] Ezim: seems the wallpaper setting for me is in .kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc [17:33] Ezim: could you maybe ask him to provide his? (and check first if there's anything private in it) [17:35] and do check if the wallpaper file actually got stored somewhere. Mine is somewhere else and I imported it into the wallpaper selection screen later [17:39] cool, dolphin search working nicely (before and after virtuoso upgrade) [17:43] fun 94MB upload for virtuoso [17:45] yofel, I think I understand [17:46] I have to wallpapers (1 desktop +1 virt.) [17:46] but I do not understand why one is 70 and one is 71 [17:48] :) it was much easier then that. the user forgott to pick different graphical component... [17:51] yofel, can it be so easy for that person also [17:52] if he/she uses desktop/virtualdesktop [17:52] http://imgur.com/HatL2 [17:52] and have forgotten to mark it [17:52] like my picture [17:53] if you have 2-3 desktop and the thing is not marked it will not save wallpapers a person pick [17:53] thats the why I have understand it [18:01] I don't have that checkbox checked [18:04] yofel, and you are running how many desktop/virtual? [18:04] different wallpaper in every one? === koolhead17 is now known as koolhead17|afk [18:17] ok, gonna try and help do some iso testing.. I'm on a slow connection, so which isos need the most help.. aka, where can I make the most impact with the fewest iso downloads? :-) I have a 64-bit desktop to test with [18:18] welcome balloons [18:18] I'm speaking about the kubuntu 10.04.4 iso testing going on this week [18:18] hello yofel [18:18] balloons: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/207/builds - the desktop images have the most test cases [18:19] * yofel goes fetching the DVD's [18:19] shall I take the 386 desktop and run thru it then? [18:20] sure, if you click on a testcase you'll find a link to the detailed test instructions for each test case [18:21] great.. about an hour to get the iso, then i can star ttesting.. time to grab some food [18:51] ScottK: re l10n, it depends, the gnome stuff still requires it so we need *some* sort of handling for it === NCommand1r is now known as NCommander === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [19:36] apachelogger: Yes, but Ubuntu is moving to some upstream thing next cycle, so we can still ditch at least some of the Ubuntuisms. [19:36] Oo [19:36] ScottK: thing? [19:37] wasn't the point of their own soup to easily deploy updates past release? :P [19:41] They're ditching language selector. [19:41] (next cycle) [19:41] Since we're going to Universe (I assume), our stuff won't get stripped for language packs anymore. [19:42] So I'm not sure what will be left of Ubuntu specific language stuff once we're done. [19:42] our stuff won't get stripped for language packs anymore.<<<--- what does this mean? [19:42] In Ubuntu the builders strip all the translations out of packages in Main so they can be built in to per language language packs. [19:43] Since KDE already ships translations that way, it's been little benefit to Kubuntu. [19:43] ScottK, so by moving to universe what will then happen? [19:43] Then the translations won't get stripped out, so we can use the KDE language packs directly, just like we do in the PPAs. [19:43] We know it works fine. [19:44] ScottK, is that not a win situation for us? [19:44] It is. [19:44] okey then I understand :). [19:44] I've wanted to ditch using the Ubuntu language pack infrastructure since 8.10. [19:45] ScottK, :) there is a lot thing we can ditch. maybe instead of 6 month release cycle we can change to 8 month. [19:45] or stuff like that [19:45] No, not that. [19:45] KDE is on 6 month cycles and so is Ubuntu. [19:45] can we drop most of our overly complicated language-pack preperation then? [19:45] It'd be hard to mess with that. [19:45] you guys knows things better. [19:45] yofel: I think we can. [19:46] \o/ [19:46] Ezim: did you get an answer on your gpg question yet btw.? [19:46] yofel, it was fixed :). [19:46] it was like I thought [19:46] so now he is happy kubuntu user [19:47] Ezim: no, I mean your name question for the gpg key [19:47] yofel, I did not. [19:47] ScottK: do you know whether one *needs* to use his real name in a gpg key (other than to get it signed by someone else) [19:48] what other ubuntu pinned structures can kde dump now that it's no longer officially supported by canonical ...looks like some silver lining benefits might evolve from this black cloud after , like streamlining kubuntu . ..no pun intended :) [19:48] afterall [19:49] yofel: There's no requirement. There's no requirement to use your real name to be involved in Ubuntu development. The only trick is it has to look like a name so no one will know it's obviously made up. [19:49] * Ezim soccer-match. [19:49] Launchpad is very concerned about appearances on launchpad accounts. Reality, not so much. [19:50] ah, thx [19:50] ScottK, thats good then I can help haxxor. [19:50] ScottK: we have two problems if we opt out of translation stripping: we don't have translations for strings introduced by patches and the non kde sc packages will grow in size [19:50] ScottK, I have launchpad account, but gpg-key I can use other name/mail. [19:51] will chat with you guys/girls after match [19:51] debfx: That's true, but if the packages are in Universe they won't be stripped whether we opt out or not. [19:51] Ezim: I have been saying all along that moving to universe is an epic win for us [19:51] cuts like half the BS we have in our workflows [19:51] apachelogger, +1 [19:51] ScottK: no, launchpad support translation stripping for universe packages. (you need to set some header in the source package.) [19:52] yeah, cause xubuntu wanted it [19:52] for a reason I cannot reproduce TBH [19:52] OK. [19:52] debfx: then we can use that for non-kde-sc packages, but for the kde sc packages I would be very happy without it [19:52] debfx: Then maybe we just use it for selected packages. [19:52] For KDE core it's just more chance to break stuff. [19:53] nah [19:53] what we should do is extract patch'd strings [19:53] and to get upstream angry at us [19:53] put them into a kubuntu.pot [19:53] (or laughing) [19:53] then patch klocale to alwas load that [19:53] ! [19:53] stupid size constraints should not stand in the way of quality [19:54] moving to universe also means that we could use a secure browser with decent kde integration (chromium) [19:55] * debfx is prepared to start that discussion again next cycle :) [19:55] * yofel will give debfx a +1 until flash support in rekonq is fixed [19:56] actually [19:56] debfx has a point there [19:56] * apachelogger uses chromium at work [19:56] it integrates ultimately with KDE [19:56] even proxy1!#!!!$!!! [19:57] apachelogger: right, moving our strings into an own template is a good idea but it's a manual process [19:57] plus it has its own primary print dialog so only file open is a bit crappy [19:57] debfx: nah, we just need our tools to be modified [19:57] most other distros do it that way [19:57] so it can hardly be rocket science :) [19:58] now, is there anything that still needs doing before feature freeze while I'm waiting for lucid ISO's to install? [19:58] how would that work? [19:59] debfx: #opensuse-kde [19:59] yofel, any idea when the flash problem on rekonq will be receiving some attention ? [19:59] BluesKaj: nope [20:00] debfx: easy way ... run extractmessage on debian/patches [20:00] ok yofel , then I'll stick with chromium in the meantime [20:01] what is the problem with flash anyway? [20:01] crashing? [20:01] yup [20:01] as always [20:01] guys, kmess needs to be packaged from git-stable for precise. official vesion is broken since msn server changes/breakage [20:01] did someone file a bug with adobe? [20:01] cause either that is a bug in qwebkit or flash itself [20:01] * apachelogger puts his money on flash from the BTs he has see [20:01] n [20:02] schnelle: it doesn't use libmsn? [20:02] nope [20:02] -.- [20:02] at least i think so [20:02] i needed to compile it myself to make it work [20:02] hm, no, doesn't depend on it [20:03] and kmess guys still didn't release fixed version [20:03] and in forums they are advising to compile from git-stable [20:03] should i open lp bug report? [20:04] somthing like "needs-packaging" [20:04] oh this is a right mess [20:05] someone talk to upstream [20:05] see if they are planning a release any time soon [20:05] * apachelogger is not in favor of including git snapshots of kmess in an LTS release [20:05] I'll see if there's something that can be cherry-picked [20:05] plenty of people use kmess [20:05] yofel: go see upstream first [20:05] they have a channel [20:05] and are fairly responsive IIRC [20:07] i'll ask for a release in their forum [20:08] * yofel visits channel [20:08] yofel: bring flowers [20:10] hahaha :) [20:30] just in case, before I upload, no one is working on updating digikam? === jussio1 is now known as jussi [20:32] Adri2000: I was [20:32] Riddell wanted to review that [20:33] yofel: you're updating it a new upstream version? [20:33] +to [20:33] Adri2000: to 2.5.0 - I didn't testbuild that against the new opencv but can do that if you give me ~half an hour [20:35] sure. I looked at fixing the build of the current one (2:2.4.1-0ubuntu3) and actually it's just a matter of adding libopencv-gpu-dev to build-deps - if that can help you [20:36] halftime [20:38] yofel, now it is clear real name does not needed gpg-key. so when I have time I will help with easy packages. [20:39] Adri2000: if that's all, that has already been done in debian and is in the 2.5.0 package ('m getting some mysql conflicts in pbuilder right now) [20:39] yofel, so you are using pbuilder? [20:40] sure, pretty much everyone here is [20:40] *every dev [20:40] yofel, okey I have made package for myself but not with pbuilder. some reading and training will be good. [20:42] Ezim: I can give you a few pointers in a few minutes, busy right now [20:43] yofel, we can take another day. [20:43] :) soccer-match [20:43] half-time. or later tonight. [20:44] sure [21:04] yofel, thanks for your help.. moving on to i386 alt.. dropping from the channel.. happy coding and testing everyone [21:41] yofel, free? [21:42] where is userconfig living these days? [21:43] Ezim: pretty much [21:43] yofel, PM me when you have time. [22:04] yofel: will you manage to upload digikam before FF? (I don't know exactly at what time starts FF) [22:05] Adri2000: I have no universe upload rights, so I need to wait for Riddell or someone else (debfx ?) [22:06] !roeadmap [22:06] Sorry, I don't know anything about roeadmap [22:06] !roadmap [22:06] Sorry, I don't know anything about roadmap [22:06] Oo [22:06] yofel: Adri2000 can help you in that regard :) [22:07] oh goody, ui freeze is only next week [22:07] true, now I need to put that somewhere public [22:09] Adri2000: FF is at 21 UTC btw [22:09] the UTC tomorrow [22:09] so 23hrs left or so [22:10] yofel: so, what would you have me do? triage bugs or prep the plymouth stuff? [22:11] oh, cool, I was afraid it could be 0 UTC, like in 2 hours from now :) [22:11] plymouth, we have a bit more time to do bugs [22:11] too bad, I was in a rather bug mood [22:12] well, if you have time for both, do bugs first [22:12] * yofel is busy iso testig [22:12] *testing [22:12] * apachelogger is doing phonon vlc release in a bit [22:12] actually [22:12] someone might want to put them somewhere to archive [22:12] :P [22:13] !info phonon precise [22:13] phonon (source: phonon): multimedia framework from KDE - metapackage. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.7.0really4.5.1-0ubuntu3 (precise), package size 7 kB, installed size 53 kB [22:13] talking about outdated phonon [22:13] you just made yourself a grumpy upstream [22:13] we have no phonon packager [22:14] what's current anyway? [22:14] 460 [22:14] ah, sounds like we want that [22:15] * yofel will be home at ~1PM UTC tomorrow unless someone else gets to that first [22:15] actually I should poke trever for a pgst release [22:15] Adri2000: [22:15] oops [22:15] I am afraid 4.5 does not build with phonon 4.6 thanks to kde buildsystem people being unhappy with our cmake ^^ [22:16] how can one be unhappy with your cmake? :O [22:16] they've obviously not seen calligra's cmake [22:16] dunno, we were doing what cmake can do [22:16] which is incendtially what pkg-config does [22:16] which is also what qmake can do [22:17] * apachelogger is actually in favor of writing his own build system because all out there are fail on some level [22:17] yofel: quite possibly [22:17] The command 'bzr clone' has been deprecated in bzr 2.4. Please use 'bzr branch' instead. [22:18] that should read 'Please use git instead.' :P [22:19] bambee_: u here? [22:19] yofel: so do you need me to upload digikam or can you find someone else during the next 23 hours? (in which case I could go to sleep :p) [22:19] I'll find someone else, gn8 [22:20] ok, thank you! good night as well to everyone in similar TZs :) [22:22] welcome Krawlezt :). [22:22] Ezim: Thanks :) [22:22] someone new? [22:22] yofel, yeah :). clever kid from swedish ubuntu loco channel. [22:22] Ezim++ [22:23] welcome Krawlezt [22:23] yofel: Thanks! [22:30] bed time soon. [22:30] yofel, are your work with gtk integr. done for 12.04? [22:30] Ezim: True true :) [22:31] Ezim: done [22:31] now it needs some testing [22:32] yofel, great. the picture you posted was really great. [22:32] good improvement [22:32] :) now stuff like pavucontrol will look good in 12.04 [22:42] who needs pavucontrol though? [22:42] all its functionality is implemented in the phonon kcm/kmix [22:43] apachelogger, I need. [22:43] but what for? [22:43] apachelogger, example to record stuff with recordmydesktop [22:43] if I wanted to have music instead of my voice [22:43] :P [22:44] that is impossible with kmix [22:44] please report a bug at bugs.kde.org [22:44] have not tried phonon to see if there is setting for special application [22:44] (kmix gets a rewrite sometime anyway) [22:44] Ezim: I think that would be in kmix [22:44] as you probably only want to change the input of one application stream [22:44] phonon is for global settings [22:45] apachelogger, thats good. then I would in fet. not install pavucontrol:). [22:45] apachelogger, exactly. [22:47] the thing where in ubuntu you can overdrive the sound so you play at 120% volume isnt offered by kmix [22:47] (this was brought up on the ubuntu-accessibility mailing list) [22:47] maco, true. veromix or something like that can do that. [22:48] software volume ftw [22:48] apachelogger: Has anyone burned kubuntu lucid amd64 to a cd-r? [22:48] kmix is good, but compare to ubuntus sound-setting etc it can not today compete. [22:48] it's 701, it should fit ok.. but just wanted to check someone had done it. [22:48] * apachelogger has no idea [22:49] yofel: burn amd64 on a cd plz [22:49] Daviey: testers were in #ubuntu-testing, ask there too [22:49] * apachelogger doesn't even have that kind of medium :P [22:49] * yofel has no optical driver currently [22:49] *drive [22:49] apachelogger: KDE works best from floppies, right? [22:49] I burned it to a cd-r today before I knew it was oversize [22:49] * maco has no burner here [22:49] lol [22:49] :) [22:49] usb actually [22:50] which reminds me that we need to get away from stupid CDs [22:50] keeps annoying me into madness [22:50] +1 [22:50] apachelogger, +1 [22:50] maco: at work I actually removed the entire drive to make my laptop lighter ^^ [22:51] apachelogger, after 12.04 are we forced with cd-size? [22:51] i dont much care about the weight of the desktop at work that already has an extraneous video card [22:51] I can't seem to make usb work right for me so I still use those cd things [22:51] Ezim: why would we? [22:51] apachelogger: for people like me? [22:51] * yofel is for dropping CD's too [22:52] charlie-tca: dvd would be the goto then IMHO [22:52] we can get rid of our -extra packages [22:52] apachelogger, that was only a question from my part. :) [22:52] that nobody ever finds [22:52] charlie-tca: i think my c2010 netbook is the only machine i have that'll boot from a usb stick [22:52] charlie-tca: CD just doesn't stand for the quality sacrifices we have to make [22:52] the other laptops will boot from a hard drive in a usb enclosure or from cd [22:52] Takes me hours to download a dvd [22:52] i'd assume we'd keep the netboot installers around [22:52] I did not say that we'd go to DVD size [22:52] then you just download the stuff you actually want [22:52] charlie-tca: no, burn ~1GB flash iso on DVD [22:52] But I suppose, if that is what needs to happen... [22:53] but burning to a DVD if usb is no option [22:53] DVD is way too big [22:53] as 700MB is totally not something sane for us [22:53] charlie-tca: latest discussions of iso size have been setting the max at like a gig and a half, not the entire max capacity of a dvd [22:53] CD is just a tad too small [22:53] so I think 1GiB would be just about right I believe [22:53] apachelogger, that was exactly what i meant. [22:54] :) [22:54] charlie-tca: you missed: so I think 1GiB would be just about right I believe [22:54] yeah, been watching those discussions with unease [22:54] maybe ~1.5, then you can use a 2GiB flash drive with some persistent storage [22:54] 1 GiB might be okay [22:54] charlie-tca: the netboot installers should stick around though [22:54] It takes me about two hours now for a cd, though [22:54] yofel: I wouldn't know what *useful* things to put on 1.5 TBH [22:54] although 1GiB would probably be enough [22:54] yeah [22:54] charlie-tca: with that you can boot from a 11mb cd then itll download & install in one go, and it lets you choose not to install the stuff that you wouldnt use anyway if you want to slim down what it downloads [22:55] I mean, we can always pack them with translations, but that is pointless data to some degree [22:55] charlie-tca: also then gets you the latest instead of you needing to spend another hour after install getting updates [22:55] one can only use one language at a time ;) [22:55] maco: I guess I have to learn how to do that [22:55] I agree with apachelogger about the one language thing, though [22:56] anyone understands bug 677996 [22:57] Launchpad bug 677996 in userconfig (Ubuntu) "userconfig kcmshell module does not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/677996 [22:57] why does it create the kcm when actually destructing? [22:59] maco: do we have netboot images for kubuntu or do they just install a minimal ubuntu system? [23:00] debfx: they dont install ANYTHING until you choose which -desktop metapackage you want [23:01] bye guys/girl. bed time. have nice testing/coding etc. [23:01] mini.iso will install ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu server.... [23:01] whatever you tell it to [23:01] debfx: it's d-i/taskel based [23:01] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [23:02] Ezim: o/ sleep tight [23:03] apachelogger, thx. [23:03] ah, ok [23:05] * apachelogger munches a cookie and wonders if bambee_ is out drinking again [23:06] hola [23:06] I don't even want to think about how to fix bug 656880 in python :@ [23:06] Launchpad bug 656880 in userconfig (Ubuntu) "Creating a new user should make sure the user gets a group assigned" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/656880 [23:06] yo Riddell [23:06] Adri2000, yofel: what's the state of digikam? [23:07] so for p+1 we could only provide a ~1GB desktop image and we'd still have an alternate installer with the netboot image [23:07] Riddell: still waiting on review [23:09] * Riddell reviews [23:11] It doesn't really matter here what size the images are, I just test them [23:12] It counts when I have to sync in the middle of the day, though. My internet is only 160K/ps [23:21] one of these days really need to configure my kontact [23:21] using gmail for mailing lists is no fun [23:21] yofel: digikam tar has ~ files in it? [23:26] Riddell: you keep telling me they make sense in kate :P [23:26] Riddell: uh yeah [23:27] blame upstream [23:29] apachelogger: I do? the existance of ~ files is a nasty kludge caused by limitations in filesystem design or something [23:30] kate now does vim like .foo.bkp or something [23:30] which are cleared when you save and quit! [23:30] s/cleared/deleted [23:31] ~files stopped being useful when saving a file did not take minutes [23:31] * apachelogger saves a file roughly 5 times per minute [23:31] they stopped being useful when saving files stopped being useful and revision control became good enough to use everywhere [23:31] but kde hasn't caught up with that alas even if google has [23:31] are you sayng that CVS was not good? :O :O :O [23:32] so [23:32] bambee_ really needs to continue with userconfig cpp [23:32] I am getting insane from looking at the userconfig python code [23:32] SCCS is all you need [23:32] it is mostly scary TBH [23:33] Riddell: I lol'd :P [23:34] how ever userconfig managed to come into existance with 2 files is beyond me [23:34] in fact, that always confused me about our apps [23:34] there is absolutely no point in having 3000 classes in one file [23:38] Riddell, do you have some time to take a look at kde-artwork-active [23:38] it is the kubuntu-active ppa [23:38] rbelem: could do (after digikam) [23:38] oki [23:39] Riddell, thanks :-) [23:39] yofel, Nice to met your but now i have to leave, goodnight! [23:40] gn [23:50] bug 901593 <3 nfs [23:50] Launchpad bug 901593 in amarok (Ubuntu) "The computer sometimes can't switch into sleep mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/901593 [23:50] yeah, nfs would prevent going into suspend [23:55] yofel: digikam nice, uploading [23:55] \o/ [23:55] I'm almost done with the 10.04 DVD's [23:58] yofel: oh you're testing them? awesome