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| AlanBell | hi all | 21:01 |
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| AlanBell | Pendulum is sadly not so well and she asked me if I could run the meeting that we are scheduled to have about nowish | 21:02 |
| AlanBell | #startmeeting | 21:02 |
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| charlie-tca | Nowish? | 21:02 |
| charlie-tca | Hi, AlanBell | 21:02 |
| AlanBell | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingAgenda | 21:02 |
| AlanBell | hi charlie-tca | 21:02 |
| AlanBell | I think we will have a fairly slowish meeting, there are not too many items on the agenda and some others might pop in | 21:03 |
| charlie-tca | Okay, I may have to reboot my xchat in between, so if I disappear, I will be back, sometimes in 15 minutes | 21:04 |
| AlanBell | thats fine, no great hurry | 21:04 |
| AlanBell | so we have an agenda starting with a review of the overall team blueprint, the testing blueprint and the development blueprint then any other business | 21:05 |
| AlanBell | the current point in the cycle is that Alpha 2 is out, and Feature Freeze is tomorrow | 21:06 |
| charlie-tca | in the meantime, testing screenreader installs in 10.04.4 | 21:06 |
| AlanBell | #topic Review Community Accessibility Team Blueprint ( https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-accessibility-team-community-goals ) | 21:10 |
| charlie-tca | How do I say, I haven't gotten to those things, and may not? | 21:11 |
| AlanBell | deferred I think | 21:12 |
| charlie-tca | I am too thin this cycle for my own good | 21:12 |
| AlanBell | yeah, I have a lot of stuff on and I am not getting all the stuff done I wanted to :( | 21:13 |
| AlanBell | I think that 12.04 is generally a lot more testable than 11.10 was, just we all seem a bit pressed for time to do much testing this cycle | 21:14 |
| charlie-tca | Yeah, I agree. I will try and get some testing on it next week, so I can try to update the test case for QA | 21:15 |
| AlanBell | there is a neat unity testing script tool that they have provided now, it would be nice to add accessibility test cases to that | 21:15 |
| charlie-tca | I have given up on trying to do any automation. It seems I do not have enough knowledge to do it | 21:16 |
| AlanBell | I did do a dummy speech dispatcher plugin that pipes output to a file like this http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/orca.out | 21:18 |
| AlanBell | I think this is handy for documenting bugs in speech output | 21:18 |
| AlanBell | "Erase Ubuntu precise and reinstall Replace Windows with Ubuntu." that is one, I don't have windows but the accessible text tells me I have! | 21:18 |
| charlie-tca | Shouldn't that be "replace existing OS with Ubuntu"? | 21:19 |
| AlanBell | probably | 21:19 |
| charlie-tca | or maybe it doesn't even belong there. It is just a mistake | 21:20 |
| AlanBell | yeah, last time I reported it I think ev didn't believe me that it was spoken or something | 21:20 |
| charlie-tca | Yeah, we get that sometimes | 21:20 |
| AlanBell | anyhow, there are still plenty of bugs like that in ubiquity and other applications, | 21:20 |
| charlie-tca | It's hard to understand the speech if you don't concentrate enough | 21:21 |
| AlanBell | yeah, a transcript is much more useful on a bug report than someone describing what they heard | 21:21 |
| charlie-tca | That report is the spoken output? | 21:21 |
| charlie-tca | That's neat! | 21:22 |
| AlanBell | yeah, it is what orca sends to speech dispatcher | 21:22 |
| AlanBell | instead of piping it to espeak it redirects it to a file | 21:22 |
| charlie-tca | That should be a lot of help with bug reports. | 21:22 |
| AlanBell | yeah, joanie thought I was mad when I told her what I was doing :) | 21:23 |
| AlanBell | I think I should probably write an article about that, and maybe get some help packaging it so it is easy to install | 21:23 |
| charlie-tca | Please | 21:25 |
| charlie-tca | We can use that kind of application. | 21:26 |
| charlie-tca | She maybe did not understand it. | 21:26 |
| charlie-tca | Well, maybe better keep going on this meeting thing/ | 21:26 |
| AlanBell | yes, I think it is an important use-case | 21:26 |
| AlanBell | indeed | 21:27 |
| AlanBell | personas is another thing on that blueprint, I kind of did the Simon persona, but it is not published yet, I need to review that with someone | 21:27 |
| AlanBell | http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/simon | 21:28 |
| charlie-tca | What needs to happen? | 21:29 |
| AlanBell | well someone other than me needs to read it and see if it makes sense | 21:30 |
| charlie-tca | That's one of them things pendulum should be reviewing | 21:30 |
| AlanBell | then need to put it in a blog article and put it in the wiki | 21:30 |
| charlie-tca | I am not good at it | 21:30 |
| AlanBell | ok | 21:30 |
| AlanBell | right, lets move on to the next blueprint | 21:31 |
| AlanBell | #topic Review Accessibility Testing Blueprint ( https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-accessibility-team-testing ) | 21:31 |
| AlanBell | so we need to do more testing and probably get a bit better about tracking important bugs | 21:32 |
| charlie-tca | okay | 21:32 |
| charlie-tca | looks like I am all over that one, too. I will try to look at it this week | 21:32 |
| AlanBell | we have the Ubuntu Global Jam weekend coming up, it might be good to get various loco teams doing accessibility testing | 21:33 |
| AlanBell | if people are looking for stuff to do then testing the installer and desktop with orca would be great | 21:33 |
| charlie-tca | Keep that in mind, anyway | 21:33 |
| charlie-tca | We have to get a good test case written for them to use | 21:33 |
| AlanBell | or just run through some of the untity testing application with orca turned on | 21:38 |
| AlanBell | ok, lets move on and read through the development blueprint | 21:39 |
| charlie-tca | Yeah, that would work too. We seem to have more testers for precise than in the past, too | 21:39 |
| AlanBell | #topic Review Development Blueprint ( https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-accessibility-polish ) | 21:39 |
| AlanBell | I know quite a few items here were postponed | 21:40 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 21:40 |
| charlie-tca | anything on the ezoom plugin yet? | 21:41 |
| AlanBell | I have been investigating ezoom text cursor tracking, it was unstable with two monitors | 21:41 |
| AlanBell | well actually it was unstable on one monitor, after you had used it on two monitors | 21:41 |
| AlanBell | I need to re-test that, I think it is something that could go in a PPA in precise, not sure it is ready for prime time | 21:42 |
| charlie-tca | okay | 21:42 |
| AlanBell | it is pretty good though, I was trying to do a screencast of it when it started crashing my machine | 21:42 |
| AlanBell | other stuff going on, I have been pestering gord about HUD accessibility | 21:43 |
| charlie-tca | great, got orca stuck on United States Denver in my install | 21:43 |
| AlanBell | balloons is new to the community team and is doing QA stuff, I showed him how to get orca output to a file and he was going to look into whether that would be useful for automated tests | 21:43 |
| charlie-tca | great | 21:44 |
| charlie-tca | He is getting involved more. But, you know, it takes at least a cycle to get get things together | 21:44 |
| AlanBell | oh and there was this proposal by jcastro to drop compizconfig-settings-manager from the distribution | 21:44 |
| charlie-tca | yeah | 21:44 |
| charlie-tca | I saw that and made my compaint. Unity is not the only thing uses compiz | 21:45 |
| AlanBell | one of the main issues was people with scrollwheels accidentally operating sliders, so I contributed a patch to remove them all | 21:45 |
| AlanBell | the proposal to drop it has basically been droppped now, it looks like it is staying there | 21:46 |
| charlie-tca | The biggest issue is no one who installs compiz without Unity will have any settings available | 21:46 |
| AlanBell | there have been a number of patches to make it a bit safer for users, fundamentally the problem is that various compiz plugins can be a bit crashy when asked to re-read their settings (looking at you unity) | 21:47 |
| charlie-tca | But that should not mean we take the ability to change away from non-unity users | 21:47 |
| AlanBell | so they fall over in a heap with various .cpp files throwing out errors about not freeing nux objects correctly | 21:47 |
| AlanBell | nothing whatsoever to do with the python ccsm applicaition | 21:48 |
| AlanBell | so yeah, ccsm got unfairly blamed for compiz plugin crashes, anyhow, we are monitoring that, and contributing fixes where possible. | 21:48 |
| charlie-tca | Good. I hate the idea that if Unity doesn't need it, let's toss it | 21:49 |
| AlanBell | indeed | 21:49 |
| AlanBell | ok, so this is not the most productive meeting ever, I think we should mail the list with the minutes, do some actions and have a bit of a renewed effort to get intensive testing and polishing done after feature freeze | 21:50 |
| AlanBell | #endmeeting | 21:51 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Wed Feb 15 21:51:10 2012 UTC. | 21:51 |
| meetingology | Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-accessibility/2012/ubuntu-accessibility.2012-02-15-21.02.moin.txt | 21:51 |
| meetingology | Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-accessibility/2012/ubuntu-accessibility.2012-02-15-21.02.html | 21:51 |
| AlanBell | and get well soon Pendulum! | 21:51 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks for chairing, AlanBell | 21:51 |
| charlie-tca | At least we got some good discussion in | 21:51 |
| AlanBell | yup | 21:52 |
| AlanBell | oh I forgot to mention there should be an onboard release real soon now | 21:53 |
| charlie-tca | I see 0.97 being asked for, is there a later one? | 22:00 |
| AlanBell | 0.97 is great | 22:12 |
| AlanBell | bug #932855 | 22:14 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 932855 in onboard "New release available: version 0.97.0 - debian source attached" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/932855 | 22:14 |
| charlie-tca | That's the one. Hopefully, we get it in precise | 22:14 |
| AlanBell | yeah, it will be in before feature freeze | 22:16 |
| AlanBell | * Add Alan Bell's themes: Typist, ModelM | 22:16 |
| AlanBell | yay \o/ | 22:16 |
| charlie-tca | We're gaining then | 22:16 |
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