[21:01] <AlanBell> hi all
[21:02] <AlanBell> Pendulum is sadly not so well and she asked me if I could run the meeting that we are scheduled to have about nowish
[21:02] <AlanBell> #startmeeting
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[21:02] <charlie-tca> Nowish?
[21:02] <charlie-tca> Hi, AlanBell 
[21:02] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingAgenda
[21:02] <AlanBell> hi charlie-tca 
[21:03] <AlanBell> I think we will have a fairly slowish meeting, there are not too many items on the agenda and some others might pop in
[21:04] <charlie-tca> Okay, I may have to reboot my xchat in between, so if I disappear, I will be back, sometimes in 15 minutes
[21:04] <AlanBell> thats fine, no great hurry
[21:05] <AlanBell> so we have an agenda starting with a review of the overall team blueprint, the testing blueprint and the development blueprint then any other business
[21:06] <AlanBell> the current point in the cycle is that Alpha 2 is out, and Feature Freeze is tomorrow
[21:06] <charlie-tca> in the meantime, testing screenreader installs in 10.04.4
[21:10] <AlanBell> #topic Review Community Accessibility Team Blueprint ( https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-accessibility-team-community-goals ) 
[21:11] <charlie-tca> How do I say, I haven't gotten to those things, and may not?
[21:12] <AlanBell> deferred I think
[21:12] <charlie-tca> I am too thin this cycle for my own good
[21:13] <AlanBell> yeah, I have a lot of stuff on and I am not getting all the stuff done I wanted to :(
[21:14] <AlanBell> I think that 12.04 is generally a lot more testable than 11.10 was, just we all seem a bit pressed for time to do much testing this cycle
[21:15] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I agree. I will try and get some testing on it next week, so I can try to update the test case for QA
[21:15] <AlanBell> there is a neat unity testing script tool that they have provided now, it would be nice to add accessibility test cases to that
[21:16] <charlie-tca> I have given up on trying to do any automation. It seems I do not have enough knowledge to do it
[21:18] <AlanBell> I did do a dummy speech dispatcher plugin that pipes output to a file like this http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/orca.out
[21:18] <AlanBell> I think this is handy for documenting bugs in speech output
[21:18] <AlanBell> "Erase Ubuntu precise and reinstall Replace Windows with Ubuntu." that is one, I don't have windows but the accessible text tells me I have!
[21:19] <charlie-tca> Shouldn't that be "replace existing OS with Ubuntu"?
[21:19] <AlanBell> probably
[21:20] <charlie-tca> or maybe it doesn't even belong there. It is just a mistake
[21:20] <AlanBell> yeah, last time I reported it I think ev didn't believe me that it was spoken or something
[21:20] <charlie-tca> Yeah, we get that sometimes
[21:20] <AlanBell> anyhow, there are still plenty of bugs like that in ubiquity and other applications,
[21:21] <charlie-tca> It's hard to understand the speech if you don't concentrate enough
[21:21] <AlanBell> yeah, a transcript is much more useful on a bug report than someone describing what they heard
[21:21] <charlie-tca> That report is the spoken output?
[21:22] <charlie-tca> That's neat!
[21:22] <AlanBell> yeah, it is what orca sends to speech dispatcher
[21:22] <AlanBell> instead of piping it to espeak it redirects it to a file
[21:22] <charlie-tca> That should be a lot of help with bug reports.
[21:23] <AlanBell> yeah, joanie thought I was mad when I told her what I was doing :)
[21:23] <AlanBell> I think I should probably write an article about that, and maybe get some help packaging it so it is easy to install
[21:25] <charlie-tca> Please
[21:26] <charlie-tca> We can use that kind of application.
[21:26] <charlie-tca> She maybe did not understand it.
[21:26] <charlie-tca> Well, maybe better keep going on this meeting thing/
[21:26] <AlanBell> yes, I think it is an important use-case
[21:27] <AlanBell> indeed
[21:27] <AlanBell> personas is another thing on that blueprint, I kind of did the Simon persona, but it is not published yet, I need to review that with someone
[21:28] <AlanBell> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/simon
[21:29] <charlie-tca> What needs to happen?
[21:30] <AlanBell> well someone other than me needs to read it and see if it makes sense
[21:30] <charlie-tca> That's one of them things pendulum should be reviewing
[21:30] <AlanBell> then need to put it in a blog article and put it in the wiki
[21:30] <charlie-tca> I am not good at it
[21:30] <AlanBell> ok
[21:31] <AlanBell> right, lets move on to the next blueprint
[21:31] <AlanBell> #topic Review Accessibility Testing Blueprint ( https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-accessibility-team-testing ) 
[21:32] <AlanBell> so we need to do more testing and probably get a bit better about tracking important bugs
[21:32] <charlie-tca> okay
[21:32] <charlie-tca> looks like I am all over that one, too. I will try to look at it this week
[21:33] <AlanBell> we have the Ubuntu Global Jam weekend coming up, it might be good to get various loco teams doing accessibility testing
[21:33] <AlanBell> if people are looking for stuff to do then testing the installer and desktop with orca would be great
[21:33] <charlie-tca> Keep that in mind, anyway
[21:33] <charlie-tca> We have to get a good test case written for them to use
[21:38] <AlanBell> or just run through some of the untity testing application with orca turned on
[21:39] <AlanBell> ok, lets move on and read through the development blueprint
[21:39] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that would work too. We seem to have more testers for precise than in the past, too
[21:39] <AlanBell> #topic Review Development Blueprint ( https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-accessibility-polish ) 
[21:40] <AlanBell> I know quite a few items here were postponed
[21:40] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:41] <charlie-tca> anything on the ezoom plugin yet?
[21:41] <AlanBell> I have been investigating ezoom text cursor tracking, it was unstable with two monitors
[21:41] <AlanBell> well actually it was unstable on one monitor, after you had used it on two monitors
[21:42] <AlanBell> I need to re-test that, I think it is something that could go in a PPA in precise, not sure it is ready for prime time
[21:42] <charlie-tca> okay
[21:42] <AlanBell> it is pretty good though, I was trying to do a screencast of it when it started crashing my machine
[21:43] <AlanBell> other stuff going on, I have been pestering gord about HUD accessibility
[21:43] <charlie-tca> great, got orca stuck on United States Denver in my install
[21:43] <AlanBell> balloons is new to the community team and is doing QA stuff, I showed him how to get orca output to a file and he was going to look into whether that would be useful for automated tests
[21:44] <charlie-tca> great
[21:44] <charlie-tca> He is getting involved more. But, you know, it takes at least a cycle to get get things together
[21:44] <AlanBell> oh and there was this proposal by jcastro to drop compizconfig-settings-manager from the distribution
[21:44] <charlie-tca> yeah
[21:45] <charlie-tca> I saw that and made my compaint. Unity is not the only thing uses compiz
[21:45] <AlanBell> one of the main issues was people with scrollwheels accidentally operating sliders, so I contributed a patch to remove them all
[21:46] <AlanBell> the proposal to drop it has basically been droppped now, it looks like it is staying there
[21:46] <charlie-tca> The biggest issue is no one who installs compiz without Unity will have any settings available
[21:47] <AlanBell> there have been a number of patches to make it a bit safer for users, fundamentally the problem is that various compiz plugins can be a bit crashy when asked to re-read their settings (looking at you unity)
[21:47] <charlie-tca> But that should not mean we take the ability to change away from non-unity users
[21:47] <AlanBell> so they fall over in a heap with various .cpp files throwing out errors about not freeing nux objects correctly
[21:48] <AlanBell> nothing whatsoever to do with the python ccsm applicaition
[21:48] <AlanBell> so yeah, ccsm got unfairly blamed for compiz plugin crashes, anyhow, we are monitoring that, and contributing fixes where possible.
[21:49] <charlie-tca> Good. I hate the idea that if Unity doesn't need it, let's toss it
[21:49] <AlanBell> indeed
[21:50] <AlanBell> ok, so this is not the most productive meeting ever, I think we should mail the list with the minutes, do some actions and have a bit of a renewed effort to get intensive testing and polishing done after feature freeze
[21:51] <AlanBell> #endmeeting
[21:51] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Feb 15 21:51:10 2012 UTC.  
[21:51] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-accessibility/2012/ubuntu-accessibility.2012-02-15-21.02.moin.txt
[21:51] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-accessibility/2012/ubuntu-accessibility.2012-02-15-21.02.html
[21:51] <AlanBell> and get well soon Pendulum!
[21:51] <charlie-tca> Thanks for chairing, AlanBell 
[21:51] <charlie-tca> At least we got some good discussion in
[21:52] <AlanBell> yup
[21:53] <AlanBell> oh I forgot to mention there should be an onboard release real soon now
[22:00] <charlie-tca> I see 0.97 being asked for, is there a later one?
[22:12] <AlanBell> 0.97 is great
[22:14] <AlanBell> bug #932855
[22:14] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 932855 in onboard "New release available: version 0.97.0 - debian source attached" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/932855
[22:14] <charlie-tca> That's the one. Hopefully, we get it in precise
[22:16] <AlanBell> yeah, it will be in before feature freeze
[22:16] <AlanBell>   * Add Alan Bell's themes: Typist, ModelM
[22:16] <AlanBell> yay \o/
[22:16] <charlie-tca> We're gaining then