=== TheMuso` is now known as TheMuso [21:01] hi all [21:02] Pendulum is sadly not so well and she asked me if I could run the meeting that we are scheduled to have about nowish [21:02] #startmeeting [21:02] Meeting started Wed Feb 15 21:02:14 2012 UTC. The chair is AlanBell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [21:02] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [21:02] Nowish? [21:02] Hi, AlanBell [21:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingAgenda [21:02] hi charlie-tca [21:03] I think we will have a fairly slowish meeting, there are not too many items on the agenda and some others might pop in [21:04] Okay, I may have to reboot my xchat in between, so if I disappear, I will be back, sometimes in 15 minutes [21:04] thats fine, no great hurry [21:05] so we have an agenda starting with a review of the overall team blueprint, the testing blueprint and the development blueprint then any other business [21:06] the current point in the cycle is that Alpha 2 is out, and Feature Freeze is tomorrow [21:06] in the meantime, testing screenreader installs in 10.04.4 [21:10] #topic Review Community Accessibility Team Blueprint ( https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-accessibility-team-community-goals ) [21:11] How do I say, I haven't gotten to those things, and may not? [21:12] deferred I think [21:12] I am too thin this cycle for my own good [21:13] yeah, I have a lot of stuff on and I am not getting all the stuff done I wanted to :( [21:14] I think that 12.04 is generally a lot more testable than 11.10 was, just we all seem a bit pressed for time to do much testing this cycle [21:15] Yeah, I agree. I will try and get some testing on it next week, so I can try to update the test case for QA [21:15] there is a neat unity testing script tool that they have provided now, it would be nice to add accessibility test cases to that [21:16] I have given up on trying to do any automation. It seems I do not have enough knowledge to do it [21:18] I did do a dummy speech dispatcher plugin that pipes output to a file like this http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/orca.out [21:18] I think this is handy for documenting bugs in speech output [21:18] "Erase Ubuntu precise and reinstall Replace Windows with Ubuntu." that is one, I don't have windows but the accessible text tells me I have! [21:19] Shouldn't that be "replace existing OS with Ubuntu"? [21:19] probably [21:20] or maybe it doesn't even belong there. It is just a mistake [21:20] yeah, last time I reported it I think ev didn't believe me that it was spoken or something [21:20] Yeah, we get that sometimes [21:20] anyhow, there are still plenty of bugs like that in ubiquity and other applications, [21:21] It's hard to understand the speech if you don't concentrate enough [21:21] yeah, a transcript is much more useful on a bug report than someone describing what they heard [21:21] That report is the spoken output? [21:22] That's neat! [21:22] yeah, it is what orca sends to speech dispatcher [21:22] instead of piping it to espeak it redirects it to a file [21:22] That should be a lot of help with bug reports. [21:23] yeah, joanie thought I was mad when I told her what I was doing :) [21:23] I think I should probably write an article about that, and maybe get some help packaging it so it is easy to install [21:25] Please [21:26] We can use that kind of application. [21:26] She maybe did not understand it. [21:26] Well, maybe better keep going on this meeting thing/ [21:26] yes, I think it is an important use-case [21:27] indeed [21:27] personas is another thing on that blueprint, I kind of did the Simon persona, but it is not published yet, I need to review that with someone [21:28] http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/simon [21:29] What needs to happen? [21:30] well someone other than me needs to read it and see if it makes sense [21:30] That's one of them things pendulum should be reviewing [21:30] then need to put it in a blog article and put it in the wiki [21:30] I am not good at it [21:30] ok [21:31] right, lets move on to the next blueprint [21:31] #topic Review Accessibility Testing Blueprint ( https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-accessibility-team-testing ) [21:32] so we need to do more testing and probably get a bit better about tracking important bugs [21:32] okay [21:32] looks like I am all over that one, too. I will try to look at it this week [21:33] we have the Ubuntu Global Jam weekend coming up, it might be good to get various loco teams doing accessibility testing [21:33] if people are looking for stuff to do then testing the installer and desktop with orca would be great [21:33] Keep that in mind, anyway [21:33] We have to get a good test case written for them to use [21:38] or just run through some of the untity testing application with orca turned on [21:39] ok, lets move on and read through the development blueprint [21:39] Yeah, that would work too. We seem to have more testers for precise than in the past, too [21:39] #topic Review Development Blueprint ( https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-accessibility-polish ) [21:40] I know quite a few items here were postponed [21:40] yup [21:41] anything on the ezoom plugin yet? [21:41] I have been investigating ezoom text cursor tracking, it was unstable with two monitors [21:41] well actually it was unstable on one monitor, after you had used it on two monitors [21:42] I need to re-test that, I think it is something that could go in a PPA in precise, not sure it is ready for prime time [21:42] okay [21:42] it is pretty good though, I was trying to do a screencast of it when it started crashing my machine [21:43] other stuff going on, I have been pestering gord about HUD accessibility [21:43] great, got orca stuck on United States Denver in my install [21:43] balloons is new to the community team and is doing QA stuff, I showed him how to get orca output to a file and he was going to look into whether that would be useful for automated tests [21:44] great [21:44] He is getting involved more. But, you know, it takes at least a cycle to get get things together [21:44] oh and there was this proposal by jcastro to drop compizconfig-settings-manager from the distribution [21:44] yeah [21:45] I saw that and made my compaint. Unity is not the only thing uses compiz [21:45] one of the main issues was people with scrollwheels accidentally operating sliders, so I contributed a patch to remove them all [21:46] the proposal to drop it has basically been droppped now, it looks like it is staying there [21:46] The biggest issue is no one who installs compiz without Unity will have any settings available [21:47] there have been a number of patches to make it a bit safer for users, fundamentally the problem is that various compiz plugins can be a bit crashy when asked to re-read their settings (looking at you unity) [21:47] But that should not mean we take the ability to change away from non-unity users [21:47] so they fall over in a heap with various .cpp files throwing out errors about not freeing nux objects correctly [21:48] nothing whatsoever to do with the python ccsm applicaition [21:48] so yeah, ccsm got unfairly blamed for compiz plugin crashes, anyhow, we are monitoring that, and contributing fixes where possible. [21:49] Good. I hate the idea that if Unity doesn't need it, let's toss it [21:49] indeed [21:50] ok, so this is not the most productive meeting ever, I think we should mail the list with the minutes, do some actions and have a bit of a renewed effort to get intensive testing and polishing done after feature freeze [21:51] #endmeeting [21:51] Meeting ended Wed Feb 15 21:51:10 2012 UTC. [21:51] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-accessibility/2012/ubuntu-accessibility.2012-02-15-21.02.moin.txt [21:51] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-accessibility/2012/ubuntu-accessibility.2012-02-15-21.02.html [21:51] and get well soon Pendulum! [21:51] Thanks for chairing, AlanBell [21:51] At least we got some good discussion in [21:52] yup [21:53] oh I forgot to mention there should be an onboard release real soon now [22:00] I see 0.97 being asked for, is there a later one? [22:12] 0.97 is great [22:14] bug #932855 [22:14] Launchpad bug 932855 in onboard "New release available: version 0.97.0 - debian source attached" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/932855 [22:14] That's the one. Hopefully, we get it in precise [22:16] yeah, it will be in before feature freeze [22:16] * Add Alan Bell's themes: Typist, ModelM [22:16] yay \o/ [22:16] We're gaining then