[16:02]  * slangasek waves
[16:02] <ev> hi
[16:03] <ev> apologies in advance for the flood
[16:03]  * stgraber waves
[16:03] <stgraber> ev: oh, you mean it's even longer than usual ;)
[16:03] <jhunt> o/
[16:03] <ev> stgraber: exactly
[16:04]  * ev teas and hopes he's not first up
[16:04] <slangasek> #startmeeting
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[16:05] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[16:05] <slangasek> ev: sorry ;)
[16:05] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry bdmurray cjwatson doko ev jhunt_ stgraber slangasek)
[16:05] <slangasek> ev doko jhunt_ barry stgraber slangasek bdmurray cjwatson
[16:05] <stgraber> ;)
[16:05] <slangasek> doko: do you want to go ahead while ev is tea-ing?
[16:07] <doko> ok
[16:07] <doko> - LinaroConnect last week, cumbersome way back home
[16:08] <doko> - forwarding GCC 4.7 upstream issues, another 4.6 test build (will hit precise this week)
[16:08] <doko> - started openjdk-6 security updates
[16:08] <doko> - eglibc fixes, thanks to cjwatson
[16:09] <doko> done
[16:09] <jhunt> Finished changes for bug 926468. Reworked early job logging code and
[16:09] <jhunt> combined both into upstart-1.4-0ubuntu7~jh in my
[16:09] <jhunt> https://launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/+archive/upstart-job-logging PPA for
[16:09] <jhunt> testing prior to FF (if you're not running it, please install and !)
[16:09] <jhunt> Investigating test failures on PPC+ARM*. Spent a little time looking at
[16:09] <jhunt> bug 931220/931584 with stgraber.
[16:09] <jhunt> ♁
[16:09] <jhunt> ... and provide feedback that is :)
[16:10] <ev> back
[16:10] <stgraber> ev: go ahead
[16:10] <ev> apols for that
[16:10] <ev> okay, cheers
[16:10] <ev> - Lots and lots of work on the new Apport UI:
[16:10] <ev>   - More work on matching the KDE frontend to the GTK changes.
[16:10] <ev>   - Some bug fixes.
[16:10] <ev>   - Handle errors better in the information collection thread.
[16:10] <ev>   - Fix some issues around displaying multiple reports in one run.
[16:10] <ev>   - Unit test the GTK+ frontend, complete with a pair of bug fixes.
[16:10] <ev>   - Add KDE frontend unit tests, along with some more bug fixes.
[16:10] <ev>   - Remove old GTK+ dialogs.
[16:10] <ev>   - Put graphical tests under xvfb. Only use it if it's present.
[16:10] <ev>   - Don't hardcode Ubuntu.
[16:10] <ev>   - Move UI tests out of their respective modules, per pitti's request.
[16:10] <ev>   - Bring apport-cli into the new threaded way of collection problem
[16:10] <ev>     information. Update its calls to the UI backend.
[16:10] <ev>   - Merge review with Martin in:
[16:10] <ev>     https://code.launchpad.net/~ev/apport/whoopsie/+merge/92753
[16:11] <ev> - Lots and lots of work around whoopsie's security review:
[16:11] <ev>   - Don't fail if there are no crash files (LP: #928735).
[16:11] <ev>   - Do not attempt to load the control center panel UI from the build
[16:11] <ev>     directory.
[16:11] <ev>   - Check the return value of the open call in get_system_uuid.
[16:11] <ev>   - Properly initialize libcrypt.
[16:11] <ev>   - Check that the call to gcry_md_open succeeds.
[16:11] <ev>   - Ensure that reading the SHA512 message digest succeeds.
[16:11] <ev>   - Protect against changes to the message digest length creating a security
[16:11] <ev>     vulnerability.
[16:11] <ev>   - Check the returncode of setenv.
[16:11] <ev>   - Use /var/lock/whoopsie instead of /tmp/.whoopsie-lock.
[16:11] <ev>   - Future proof by using getrlimit instead of explicitly closing STD*.
[16:11] <ev>   - Redirect stdin, stdout, and stderr to /dev/null.
[16:11] <ev>   - Ensure strings created in update_to_crash_file are NUL-terminated.
[16:11] <ev>   - Only process regular files in /var/crash.
[16:11] <ev>   - Replace calls to *alloc with g_*alloc, which calls abort on failure.
[16:11] <ev>   - Remove unused system_uuid pointer references.
[16:11] <ev>   - Recover from being unable to get the system UUID.
[16:11] <ev>   - Fix warnings in make check.
[16:11] <ev>   - Initialize all of curl.
[16:11] <ev>   - Redirect stderr to null in chgrp and chmod calls.
[16:11] <ev>   - Set home directory to /nonexistent.
[16:11] <ev>   - Enable libcrypt secure memory.
[16:11] <ev>   - Put the lock file in /var/lock/whoopsie/.
[16:11] <ev>   - Sanity check the CRASH_DB_URL environment variable.
[16:11] <ev>   - Add some more tests for parse_report, along with data from Jamie
[16:11] <ev>     Strandboge.
[16:11] <ev>   - Check handling of embedded NUL bytes.
[16:11] <ev>   - Verify that symlinks in /var/crash produce the correct error.
[16:11] <ev>   - Verify that keys without values in reports produce an error message.
[16:11] <ev>   - Ensure that the report does not start with a value.
[16:12] <ev>   - Correctly identify a report without spaces as malformed.
[16:12] <ev>   - Verify that directories in /var/crash produce the correct error.
[16:12] <ev>   - Ensure that blank lines in a report are treated as errors.
[16:12] <ev>   - Change the crash database URL to http://daisy.ubuntu.com :)
[16:12] <ev>   - Ensure that carriage returns are escaped.
[16:12] <ev>   - Do not start multiline values with a newline.
[16:12] <ev>   - Check that a valid report has the exact expected contents.
[16:12] <ev>   - MIR/security review with Jamie in:
[16:12] <ev>     https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/whoopsie-daisy/+bug/913694
[16:12] <ev> - Slideshow planning meeting with Christian and Dylan.
[16:12] <ev> - Meeting to understand Canonical UK pension scheme.
[16:12] <ev> (done)
[16:12] <ev> I will need a freeze exception, but I'm buried in interview prep work, so I'll sort that later tonight
[16:13] <stgraber> - Networking
[16:13] <stgraber>  - Waiting on SRU test results for ifenslave/vlan/bridge, I'm told I should have these later today
[16:13] <stgraber>  - Got daily IPv6 testing ported to regular bridge-utils so it can run within a container (yeah, container in containers)
[16:13] <stgraber> - Arkose
[16:13] <stgraber>  - Updated the Arkose cli tool to show all the new features, did some minor bugfixing of the python module, updated translations and released 1.5
[16:13] <stgraber> - Friendly-Recovery
[16:13] <stgraber>  - Updated menu landed, all options are always displayed now and switch from read-only to read/write is done when selecting an option requiring it
[16:13] <stgraber>  - Still working on a 'system information' option, should land later today or early tomorrow
[16:13] <stgraber> - LTSP
[16:13] <stgraber>  - Improve ltsp-live for Edubuntu
[16:13] <stgraber>  - Lots of changes happening upstream to get the new shiny stuff ready by Feature Freeze. Testers are still busy and I expect an upload very shortly before FF.
[16:13] <stgraber>  - Merged nbd from unstable to get some fixes needed for LTSP.
[16:13] <stgraber>  - I've also started cleaning up the maintainer scripts and will spend some time to deal with our current installer bugs (ltsp-client-builder udeb)
[16:13] <stgraber> - Upstart
[16:13] <stgraber>  - Tried to figure out why some jobs sometimes inherit an extra fd (a socket in this case), tracked down to something around libldap/libnss-ldap/libnss affecting
[16:13] <stgraber>    machines using libnss-ldap. This was breaking LXC's upstart job, now fixed in LXC by having lxc-start close the extra fds.
[16:13] <stgraber> - Containers
[16:13] <stgraber>  - Uploaded a new LXC with reworked template and Serge's patch to have our consoles and ttys in /dev/lxc, fixing upgrade/dist-upgrade in LXC for good. (bug 927519))
[16:13] <stgraber>  - Updated shadow to add the new LXC consoles and ttys to securetty
[16:13] <stgraber>  - Added a network-interface-container upstart job to ifupdown to simulate net-device-added for 'lo' in containers
[16:13] <stgraber>  - Disable udevadm trigger --action=add in containers (bug 925122) - commited to the packaging branch, waiting on upstart to build on armel/armhf/powerpc.
[16:13] <stgraber> - Other
[16:14] <stgraber>  - Helped some friends of the LTTng project, sponsored the new LTTng2 stack (now in NEW) and filed the needed package removal bugs for the old broken stack
[16:14] <stgraber>  - Will release pastebinit 1.3 later today, waiting for some extra translations at the moment
[16:14] <stgraber> (done)
[16:15]  * slangasek runs out of breath reading ev's report
[16:15] <ev> hah
[16:16] <jhunt> ENOSPC over here! :)
[16:17] <slangasek> stgraber: huh, why does lxc need different names for its ttys?
[16:18] <stgraber> slangasek: lxc was bind mounting its ttys from outside the container to /dev/tty[1234] which is all fine, except when you deal with anything like udev/makedev/... which tries to move them, remove them, ...
[16:19] <stgraber> slangasek: so the easiest solution to fix it until we get a proper device namespace and can stop with the bind mounts was to use another location
[16:19] <slangasek> hmm, ok
[16:19] <slangasek> right, my turn
[16:19] <slangasek>  * short week, was off Monday
[16:19] <slangasek>  * interviewing
[16:19] <slangasek>  * helping test/merge upstart fixes to be landed in precise today
[16:19] <slangasek>  * resolvconf finagling
[16:19] <slangasek>  * discussions about how to minimize future breakage from eglibc uploads
[16:19] <slangasek>  * libnih1 uploaded for essential-ish pre-dependency issues
[16:19] <slangasek>  * working with IS to get qemu-linaro situated to where it can be used as an emulated armel buildd running on top of a hardy VM
[16:19] <slangasek>  * minor eglibc work
[16:19] <slangasek>  * virtual sprint planning
[16:19] <slangasek> ..
[16:19] <slangasek> questions?
[16:20] <bdmurray> review of bug pattern merge proposals from Vadim Rutkovsky
[16:20] <bdmurray> fixing of SRU for bug 873424 after discussion with verifier
[16:20] <bdmurray> test and fix for bug 901381 regarding ubiquity's apport behavior
[16:20] <bdmurray> triage of bug 922330 regarding wubi installing precise
[16:20] <bdmurray> fixed lp_buttontags to make tagging bugs easier
[16:20] <bdmurray> modifications to lp-grab-attachments to download bugs about a project
[16:20] <bdmurray> updated bugsquad tags to include new ubiquity bug tags
[16:20] <bdmurray> research into and fixing of universe packages assigned to the foundations team in the package to team mapping
[16:20] <bdmurray> upload of update-manager to lucid-proposed which adds in apport package hook
[16:21] <bdmurray> fixed bug 878335 regarding moving bugs to grub-installer from ubiquity
[16:21] <bdmurray> creation of packageset recent package bug graphs
[16:21] <bdmurray> ⌁
[16:22] <cjwatson> Interviewing.
[16:22] <cjwatson> Another try at fixing ports installs (bug 919356).
[16:22] <cjwatson> Investigation of fixes for glibc 2.15 regressions.
[16:22] <cjwatson> Added a mock GResolver to the ubiquity test suite to make it more reliable in various contexts (the powerpc build, stgraber's LXC setup).  Would have been much quicker except that https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=669847 meant I had to do this in C.
[16:22] <cjwatson> Clearing out http://lintian.ubuntuwire.org/tags/preinst-uses-dpkg-maintscript-helper-without-predepends.html.  Very slow and tedious, but everything is uploaded or has patches in a BTS somewhere now.
[16:22] <cjwatson> Made a pass through some outstanding team work items with Steve and postponed a few.
[16:22] <cjwatson> Tested transfer speed between cdimage and ftpmaster for foundations-p-image-build-pipeline.
[16:22] <cjwatson> Reorganised the ubiquity test suite to be able to run in a DEP-8-compliant package tester (i.e. testing the installed version of the package).
[16:22] <cjwatson> Working on a refactoring of how ubiquity removes about-to-be-copied files from the target system that fixes a slew of bugs and is more testable.
[16:22] <cjwatson> ..
[16:23] <jhunt> cjwatson: have we got the infrastructure to run DEP-8 tests yet?
[16:23] <cjwatson> autopkgtest exists; I don't know its current status, and we don't yet have it set up in a datacentre machine or anything
[16:23] <cjwatson> in theory should be a simple matter of sysadmin
[16:24] <jhunt> great as I'd like to be able to run the upstart tests in this way too.
[16:24] <cjwatson> You should be able to give autopkgtest a spin locally if you have time :)
[16:25] <slangasek> stgraber: this udev change would more than slow the boot, it would prevent events from being triggered entirely... this requires a versioned dep on upstart.
[16:25] <cjwatson> I admit I didn't actually try it out, merely ran the test in the appropriate environment under strace to ensure that it was testing the installed system and read the spec for the control file very carefully
[16:25] <jhunt> cjwatson: ok, ta.
[16:26] <slangasek> is the QA team involved with the autopkgtest discussions?
[16:26] <stgraber> slangasek: indeed, I'll add the versioned dep.
[16:26] <cjwatson> slangasek: there were QA people present at the appropriate UDS sessions, and jibel has a work item that came out of that; can't speak for after that
[16:27] <slangasek> stgraber: please check that such a versioned dep doesn't cause upgrade problems, too...
[16:27] <slangasek> cjwatson: ok
[16:28] <slangasek> cjwatson: just wondering if this is something that should be set up to run as part of the QA lab
[16:30] <cjwatson> eventually, yes; the blueprint calls for initial metadata to be added to a few key packages, and for something to be written that's able to feed it into a putative "should this be allowed to migrate from -proposed" tool
[16:30]  * slangasek nods
[16:30] <cjwatson> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-p-upload-intermediary
[16:31] <slangasek> any other questions?
[16:32] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Bugs
[16:33] <bdmurray> I've run across a couple this week worth discussing
[16:33] <bdmurray> Is bug 930304 something our team should fix?
[16:34] <slangasek> yes
[16:34] <bdmurray> okay
[16:34] <slangasek> I'll probably wind up doing that one with my Debian eglibc committer hat
[16:34] <slangasek> (feel free to assign to me)
[16:34] <doko> ohh, nice =)
[16:35] <bdmurray> regarding bug 818760 should the timeout be increased or might it be something with the server?
[16:35] <bdmurray> uri=urllib2.urlopen(req, timeout=20)
[16:35] <cjwatson> in principle it's always possible for network communication to fail for all kinds of reasons
[16:35] <bdmurray> from the traceback
[16:36] <cjwatson> u-m has to cope somehow without crashing
[16:36] <cjwatson> and preferably without stalling the UI forever while it tries to talk through a firewall that's dropping all its outbound packets, say
[16:37] <slangasek> right, so it needs to be fixed to not crash
[16:37] <bdmurray> got it
[16:39] <bdmurray> bug 926581 - that should have tasks for the meta package or the package manager?
[16:39] <mvo> (fwiw, this stuff should be running in a thread already, but indeed, it should not crash)
[16:40] <ev> ah, debconf. Can we set fire to it yet?
[16:40] <cjwatson> :-P
[16:41] <ev> :D
[16:41] <slangasek> no, but feel free to fix its protocol ;)
[16:41] <cjwatson> what's the protocol-level problem here?
[16:41] <slangasek> here? none
[16:41] <ev> sure, I'll just make it NOP every instruction
[16:41] <slangasek> but I was offering ev productive outlets for his anger ;)
[16:42] <ev> give me the source code to dpkg and hook me to a turbine. I'll power London with my rage. ;)
[16:42] <slangasek> bdmurray: seems like a synaptic problem
[16:42] <bdmurray> and software-center (that's what I tested)
[16:43] <bdmurray> er, not software-center
[16:43] <bdmurray> okay, thanks!
[16:43] <slangasek> oh
[16:43] <slangasek> sorry, read to fast
[16:43] <slangasek> I read comment 3 but didn't digest 4
[16:44] <bdmurray> well my grammar didn't help I'm sure
[16:44] <slangasek> that's a puzzling one
[16:44] <slangasek> anyone want to take a closer look at it?
[16:46] <slangasek> well, I'll have a peek then
[16:46] <slangasek> bdmurray: any other bugs?
[16:47] <bdmurray> just wubi bug 862003
[16:48] <cjwatson> ... how's that Windows hire going? ;-)
[16:49] <slangasek> ... workin' on it
[16:49] <slangasek> add that bug to the queue :P
[16:49] <bdmurray> I'll have to make a queue but okay
[16:50] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:50] <slangasek> anything else?
[16:51] <ev> filing a freeze exception for the crash database stuff as mentioned above
[16:51] <ev> not a lot more work, just more than I think I'll manage tonight
[16:52] <cjwatson> the freeze is actually 2100 tomorrow, I believe
[16:52] <ev> yay, that buys me a bit more time
[16:52] <slangasek> :)
[16:52] <ev> should I request an exception, just in case, or is mentioning it here enough to make the release team aware that I'm cutting it close?
[16:53] <slangasek> it's already on Kate's list
[16:53] <slangasek> as a "late-landing change"
[16:53] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/FeatureLanding
[16:53] <slangasek> yep
[16:53] <ev> wow, hyper-organized
[16:53] <ev> cheers guys
[16:54] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[16:54] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Feb 15 16:54:10 2012 UTC.
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[16:54] <slangasek> that's a wrap
[16:54] <slangasek> thanks all
[16:54] <ev> thanks!
[16:54] <stgraber> thanks!
[16:54] <doko> bye
[16:54] <jhunt> thanks!
[17:00] <balloons> yar.. it be time to talk about some QA yar
[17:04] <balloons> so let's begin
[17:04] <balloons> #startmeeting Ubuntu QA
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[17:04] <balloons> I'll go ahead and ask for a brief roll call, while I grab the agenda :-)
[17:05] <albrigha> o/
[17:05]  * charlie-tca here
[17:05] <phillw> o/
[17:06] <balloons> hello everyone
[17:06] <balloons> first item on the agenda
[17:06] <balloons> [TOPIC] Previous Actions
[17:06] <balloons> ACTION: phillw to update wiki to better reflect activities and automated testing pages
[17:06] <balloons> phillw, any updates on this?
[17:06] <phillw> I've had a dig around, and the main source of information seems to be https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-qa-automated-test-submissions does anyone know of any other infornmation?
[17:07] <phillw> I apologise, life has been a little hectic of late. I will ask on the mailing list / search archives etc. to try and garner further information this week.
[17:09] <balloons> no worries phillw.. Happy to have you working on it
[17:10] <balloons> i believe the idea was to change up the wiki page a bit to give more light to the activities link
[17:11] <phillw> Hopefully with feature freeze imminent, things will quieten down a bit.
[17:11] <balloons> yes.. this week has been quite busy
[17:12] <balloons> and the work previous
[17:12] <balloons> :-)
[17:12] <phillw> I'll have a draft up before the next meeting and circualte it.
[17:12] <balloons> so for instance on this page, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam, the activities is still buried as a link
[17:12] <balloons> sounds great..
[17:13] <balloons> [ACTION] phillw to provide draft on wiki updates to activities and automated testing pages
[17:13] <meetingology> ACTION: phillw to provide draft on wiki updates to activities and automated testing pages
[17:13] <balloons> ok, moving along
[17:13] <balloons> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Updates
[17:14] <balloons> ok, Lucid ISO testing for 10.04.4 is going on today.. I know everyone is busy busy
[17:14] <balloons> I have been as hammered as everyone else, but I plan to do so testing this afternoon on those isos
[17:15] <balloons> not sure if jibel wants to say anything more.. he's likely knee-deep right now
[17:15] <charlie-tca> o/
[17:15] <balloons> go ahead charlie-tca
[17:16] <charlie-tca> I am testing Kubuntu, and that could use any help we can get. I think 10.04.4 is Kubuntu and Ubuntu only, isn't it?
[17:16] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu is looking pretty good, but nothing is done yet for Kubuntu
[17:17] <charlie-tca> ..
[17:17] <balloons> charlie-tca, yes it should be only those 2
[17:17] <balloons> I know ScottK was asking for help as well.. I'll do some kubuntu isos :-)
[17:17] <balloons> if anyone else has a spare moment, they would greatly appreciate it
[17:18] <balloons> the other update for ubuntu is feature freeze as phillw mentioned, and it affects everyone. Lots of calls for testing have gone out this week and last in preparation for it
[17:18] <balloons> i'll talk more about those "calls for testing" at the end.. I wanted to get some feedback from everyone
[17:19] <balloons> any questions?
[17:19] <Riddell> thanks balloons
[17:19] <balloons> k, let's move on to the flavors! :-)
[17:19] <balloons> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Flavor Updates
[17:19] <balloons> yvw Riddell
[17:20] <balloons> Riddell, since your here.. anything additional to share on Kubuntu?
[17:20] <Riddell> umm, what's the meeting?
[17:21] <balloons> :-) this is for the QA team
[17:21] <Riddell> QA?
[17:21] <balloons> yep yep
[17:21] <Riddell> I just put telepathy-kde on the CD, that needs testing to decide if it's better or worse than (unmaintained) kopete
[17:22] <Riddell> owncloud could do with some testing (come to #kubuntu-devel to try it out with music streaming!)
[17:22] <Riddell> we hope to get kubuntu-active CDs being made soon, that'll be i386 simple live sessions test, not install
[17:22] <Riddell> means we'd be the first distro with a tablet edition I think
[17:23] <balloons> kubuntu-active?
[17:23] <Riddell> and of course kubuntu isn't going to be supported by canonical any more so we'll need to consider how that affects QA in future
[17:24] <balloons> Riddell, any plans to change up how qa works in kubuntu?
[17:24] <Riddell> kubuntu-active is a proposed remix of kubuntu with plasma active, the tablet UI http://www.plasma-active.org/
[17:24] <Riddell> we have no plans yet
[17:24] <balloons> ahh.. ok, plasma-active is neat.. will be interesting to see where that goes
[17:25] <balloons> ok.. anything else to update or questions for kubuntu?
[17:25] <Riddell> that's all
[17:26] <balloons> thanks Riddell
[17:26] <balloons> phillw, can you update us on lubuntu?
[17:27] <phillw> usual hectic stuff, the alternate iso's are still over-sized but that is being worked on. We seem now to have enough people interested for Power PC testing to happen. As such I created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/PPC
[17:28] <phillw> If anyone is familiar with adding the ppc emulation in qemu (KVM), please do give a hint!
[17:29] <phillw> that's about it from lubuntu.
[17:29] <balloons> thanks phillw -- I saw the thread about messing about with qemu -- I hadn't used qemu in awhile. back in the days of qemu and kqemu :-)
[17:30] <balloons> how about xubuntu?
[17:30] <charlie-tca> We seem to be in pretty good shape
[17:30] <charlie-tca> all images are at least working, even if they are oversize.
[17:31] <charlie-tca> The oversize is expected at least until after Feature Freeze, when Ubuntu quits adding things
[17:31] <charlie-tca> We are trying to keep up with daily testing as much as possible.
[17:32] <charlie-tca> I am hopeless when it comes to automating the testing for Xubuntu.
[17:32] <charlie-tca> ..
[17:33] <balloons> charlie-tca, on the automation piece, do you feel xubuntu could piggyback onto the tools ubuntu uses / plans to use?
[17:33] <balloons> err.. well is xfce moving to gtk3?
[17:33] <charlie-tca> I can't. I don't have the background to figure out how to do it
[17:33] <charlie-tca> Xfce won't move to gtk3 until 4.10, so we will have both gtk2 and gtk3 until then, probably Xubuntu 12.10
[17:35] <balloons> ok.. no 4.10 in plans for precise (I don't think it releases to almost after precise :-) )
[17:35] <charlie-tca> The chances of Xfce 4.10 coming out in time for precise are slim]
[17:35] <balloons> ok, but they are moving.. I would assume then it might be possible
[17:35] <charlie-tca> We keep hoping, though.
[17:35] <balloons> something to think aboue
[17:36] <balloons> alright, how about ubuntu studio?
[17:36] <balloons> astraljava or  anyone else about?
[17:38] <balloons> alright moving on.. edubuntu.. any updateS/
[17:38] <balloons> stgraber, or highvoltage ?
[17:38] <stgraber> nothing for edubuntu
[17:39] <balloons> thanks :-)
[17:39] <balloons> ok, moving topics
[17:39] <balloons> [TOPIC] Blueprint updates / discussion
[17:39] <balloons> anyone want to discuss anything from the blueprints?
[17:39] <balloons> or give an update, request help, etc?
[17:39] <balloons> going once, twice..
[17:40] <balloons> sold, and moving on :-)
[17:40] <balloons> [TOPIC] Other topics
[17:40] <balloons> Ok, last on the agenda.. anyone have anything to add before we get into these final topics?
[17:40] <balloons> i'll add you to the list right now :-)
[17:41] <balloons> ok, let's start then
[17:41] <balloons> first up is Lucid ISO Testing Updates
[17:42] <balloons> I gave them for ubuntu, and the kubuntu guys have spoken about them for kubuntu.. if you can, please help test.. Riddell, if someone wants to help test kubuntu lucid 10.04.4 isos, is there an irc channel to hang out in?
[17:43] <Riddell> welcome in #kubuntu-devel
[17:43] <balloons> awesome, thanks
[17:44] <balloons> next I wanted to speak about my "Calls for Testing" that have gone out.. these calls are still a work in progress, but I was hoping to get feedback from everyone if they felt they were helpful and they liked the format of them or not, etc
[17:45] <balloons> any comments are appreciated if you got them ;-) I want to get more / better tools and metrics around doing this manual testing and I would take ideas on that as well.. both what we can do in the short-term as well as long-term
[17:45] <charlie-tca> o/
[17:45] <balloons> go ahead charlie-tca
[17:46] <charlie-tca> I think the wording of the last three or four was great. I also like the fact that you are explaining the issues involved in messing up the install on your blog entries.
[17:46] <charlie-tca> Letting people know if they do the test, they may have to reinstall to get back to where they were is always a good idea.
[17:47] <charlie-tca> and thanks for your patience in explaining things.
[17:47] <charlie-tca> .
[17:47] <charlie-tca> ..
[17:47] <balloons> charlie-tca, thanks for the feedback.. glad it's coming across as making sense
[17:48] <charlie-tca> I usually try to see what the new people will be seeing. It is making good sense at this time.
[17:48] <balloons> excellent to hear :-)
[17:49] <balloons> we're pushing our time, so I'll move on to the last item
[17:49] <balloons> Manual TestCase Review Updates
[17:49] <balloons> albrigha, I'll let you speak a bit :-)
[17:49] <albrigha> Hello!
[17:49] <albrigha> well I completed copying over the wiki test cases to the test case spreadsheet
[17:50] <albrigha> hopefully that will help on reworking them. otherwise I haven't done much more with them
[17:50] <albrigha> there was some debating on updating them, etc. and i'm rather distracted with another project >_<
[17:50] <albrigha> here is the spreadsheet document if others don't have it: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgtV30nnv18edFQzNVB4S2duOWNOT05zaHo3S0pNekE&hl=en_US#gid=0
[17:51] <albrigha> i learned a lot while copying them over however, right now there isn't a lot of consistency
[17:52] <balloons> i have been attempting to push out and get in any rewrites as quickly as possible. we've had a couple edits directly on the wiki as well.. some new tests for shotwell which never existed, etc
[17:52] <balloons> so work is continuing and I appreciate all the work that has been done. we'll get there :-)
[17:52] <balloons> thanks albrigha
[17:52] <balloons> anything else from anyone? questions / comments?
[17:53] <balloons> if not, let's call this meeting a wrap. Thanks for attending everyone. Hopefully the coming weeks will find all of us just a bit less busy! ;-)
[17:53] <balloons> #endmeeting
[17:53] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Feb 15 17:53:44 2012 UTC.
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[17:53] <charlie-tca> balloons: thank you for chairing
[17:54] <balloons> charlie-tca, et la.. as always, thanks for attending!
[17:54] <charlie-tca> Got to just keep trying here.
[18:02] <bdmurray> hi
[18:02] <charlie-tca> Hi
[18:02] <bdmurray> time for the bug squad meeting
[18:03] <bdmurray> hey charlie-tca
[18:03] <bdmurray> #startmeeting
[18:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Feb 15 18:03:09 2012 UTC.  The chair is bdmurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:03] <bdmurray> #topic Previous Actions
[18:03] <bdmurray> ACTION: create a better list of apport-crash bugs with "DBus.Error.NoReply" in the title with bug information regarding status, importance, number of dupes and users affected: bdmurray
[18:03] <bdmurray> that was something Ursinha wanted to see
[18:04] <bdmurray> and its at http://paste.ubuntu.com/843325/
[18:04] <bdmurray> I stripped out the titles because they were all the same
[18:04] <bdmurray> more or less
[18:05] <bdmurray> so I think if the bug is Confirmed or Triaged they should be manually inspected otherwise they could automatically be marked as invalid
[18:06] <bdmurray> with an explanation regarding why the client error isn't helpful and how we really want the crash from the server
[18:07] <bdmurray> #topic Engineering Team Bug Status
[18:08] <bdmurray> I've been looking at update-manager bugs and realized there isn't an apport hook for update-manager in Lucid so I've added one and that upload is in lucid-proposed
[18:08] <bdmurray> this should help us get higher quality bug reports from people performing distribution upgrades from lucid to precise
[18:08] <bdmurray> that's bug 927979 if anybody wants to subscribe and do the sru verification
[18:10] <bdmurray> I've also had a change merged to ubiquity that will result in more apport-crash reports. Not more bugs but rather some crashes were being reported as apport-bug reports rather than crashes.
[18:10] <bdmurray> so that'll be good
[18:10] <bdmurray> as the bugs will have tracebacks and can be auto duplicated
[18:11] <bdmurray> I also updated lp_buttontags and firefox-lp-improvements so that tagging works again
[18:12] <bdmurray> finally I've a merge proposal that allows lp-grab-attachments to work with a project (I was using this to download all wubi bug attachments)
[18:12] <bdmurray> Ursinha: Do you have anything?
[18:14] <bdmurray> jsalisbury: ?
[18:14] <jsalisbury> No major updates.  Continuing to address new precise kernels bug to get as many fixed as possible.
[18:14] <jsalisbury> I need to ask the kernel team when kerneloops should be disabled in precise.
[18:16] <bdmurray> kerneloops, ah right.  that's an easy thing so whenever
[18:16] <jsalisbury> ok, I'll let you know shortly
[18:17] <bdmurray> thanks!
[18:17] <bdmurray> #topic Bug Escalations (any High or Critical bugs that community members have seen that need attention)
[18:17] <bdmurray> charlie-tca: have you seen anything?
[18:20] <bdmurray> #topic Other Topics
[18:20] <bdmurray> anything else then?
[18:22] <charlie-tca> sorry,
[18:22] <bdmurray> charlie-tca: no problem
[18:22] <charlie-tca> no, I haven't seen any really serious issues this cycle
[18:22] <charlie-tca> It seems like a really good cycle for bugs
[18:23] <bdmurray> that's good to hear, thanks
[18:24] <bdmurray> if that's all then
[18:24] <bdmurray> #endmeeting
[18:24] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Feb 15 18:24:28 2012 UTC.
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[18:24] <jsalisbury> thanks bdmurray
[18:25] <charlie-tca> bdmurray: thank you for chairing
[20:03] <gilir> #startmeeting Lubuntu Team Meeting
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[20:03]  * gilir looks around for people :)
[20:04]  * Unit193 
[20:04] <phillw> o/
[20:04]  * wxl    
[20:04] <Unit193> wxl: Monkey.... ;)
[20:04] <wxl> ;)
[20:04] <gilir> few people tonight, it should be a quick one this time :)
[20:05] <gilir> aganda : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda
[20:05] <kanliot> k
[20:05] <gilir> #topic gilir - Review ACTIONS from the last meeting
[20:05] <gilir> clipboard "issue" is fixed, in time for feature freeze :)
[20:06] <phillw> well done :)
[20:06] <wxl> \o/
[20:06] <wxl> "yes!"
[20:06] <gilir> still looking for the oversize of alternate
[20:06] <wxl> gilir: looking FOR or looking INTO?
[20:07] <gilir> wxl, into
[20:07] <phillw> it's very close. with feature freeze, I'm told that ubuntu should not keep adding stuff into them!
[20:07] <wxl> k
[20:07] <gilir> sorry, my english is worst when I'm tired :)
[20:08] <gilir> phillw, same for us, we will focus on bug fixing after FF
[20:08] <gilir> no more actions from previous meeting, I'll continue with the agenda
[20:09] <gilir> #topic phillw - Weekly report - Update from QA meeting and team
[20:09] <wxl> brb need more coffee
[20:09] <phillw> As with all teams, a mad rush for FF. There are no screaming bugs and we do now seem to have enough people interested in PPC to form https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/PPC
[20:10] <StephenSmally> Hi guys, sorry i'm late
[20:10] <phillw> I've queried about adding the ppc emulation onto KVM / qemu - but this needs some more research.
[20:10] <phillw> that's all from QA
[20:11] <gilir> thanks phillw , let us know if you have big issues when testing PPC
[20:11] <gilir> #topic Unit193 - Weekly report - Update from IRC OP's team
[20:11] <Unit193> 1. There is confusion as to how someone gets unbanned, this was brought up after someone got unbanned. 2. We've swapped ubot2 out for ubottu now, so the bantracker will help keep track of bans, and package info should be working better. 3. I may be m
[20:11] <Unit193> issing something, so if anyone has a comment?
[20:12] <MrChrisDruif> There WAS confusion about unbanning, but this was cleared in the mailing-list afaik
[20:13] <Unit193> Not quite it seems.
[20:14] <Unit193> Questions? Comments?
[20:14] <MrChrisDruif> What is still unclear then?
[20:14] <Unit193> Well, not having official access to bantracker yet will make it harder, but everything else should be about good.
[20:15] <Unit193> Though, it was ubot5, not ubot2.
[20:16] <gilir> ok, thanks Unit193 :)
[20:16] <MrChrisDruif> The Lubuntu ops decide if and when a person gets unbanned, so I'm certain about why there seems to be confusion about bans at all
[20:17] <Unit193> Well, telling what the issue was with someone, or if they understand what went wrong.
[20:18] <gilir> I'll go directly to dev team report, if you have comment on comm or support team, we will answer them at the end of the meeting
[20:18] <MrChrisDruif> But now with ubottu should make this more clear for all the ops?
[20:19] <Unit193> MrChrisDruif: Yes, once everything is finished with setting up.
[20:19] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, no further questions ^_^
[20:19] <gilir> we just need to be nice with the new bot ;)
[20:19] <Unit193> Aye, no kicking her.
[20:20] <MrChrisDruif> Ghehe
[20:20] <MrChrisDruif> Only sweet-talk to her?
[20:20] <MrChrisDruif> ;-)
[20:20] <gilir> #topic gilir - Weekly report - Update from Devs teams
[20:20] <phillw> kicking ubottu would result in death !
[20:20] <gilir> As you may know, Feature Freeze is very close
[20:20] <MrChrisDruif> Yes, tomorrow!
[20:21] <phillw> 24 hours and 40 minutes...
[20:21] <gilir> after this, no new feature can be added, unless we add some documentation and justification for it
[20:21] <gilir> and I don't like to write this :)
[20:21] <gilir> we manage to update some components last week
[20:22] <gilir> new lxkeymap with autostart support
[20:22] <gilir> lxsession with clipboard
[20:22] <MrChrisDruif> o/
[20:22] <gilir> LSC with ratings
[20:22] <gilir> lxpanel with a lot of bugfixes
[20:23] <gilir> so if you are running precise, please test them :)
[20:23] <gilir> especially, if you had bugs with lxpanel, please test again :)
[20:24] <gilir> but don't worry, we can still fix bug after FF
[20:24] <phillw> o/
[20:24] <gilir> I think it's all, any questions ?
[20:24] <MrChrisDruif> Yup
[20:25] <kanliot> question time?
[20:25] <kanliot> yes
[20:25] <kanliot> in lubuntu precise, every new window gets maximized.  annoying at first, it gets worse and worse as you try and get work done.
[20:25] <kanliot> it's a feature that should be removed from lubuntu because we aren't using the unity stuff
[20:25] <phillw> is there any way that setting up full screen on launch of apps could be integrated, or are we too late for that now?
[20:25] <gilir> kanliot, we added so people can test it :)
[20:26] <MrChrisDruif> Not current release, but I just thought about it: 10.04 was supposedly a LTS release? What needs to be done to make a dot-release for it (as I think we haven't had one in all this time)
[20:26] <leszek> hi
[20:26] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha leszek
[20:26] <kanliot> please take the maximized windows out..  it's horrible
[20:26] <gilir> phillw, I may have a solution to have an option available to swith it on or off, but it may be short in time :(
[20:26] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: we simply do not have enough people in dev to have LTS's
[20:27] <phillw> gilir: I appreciate that time is short now!
[20:27] <gilir> kanliot, you are not the only one who complain about it, we can still turn it off
[20:27] <leszek> yeah for LTS we need maintainers that want to maintain and also patch pcmanfm, lxpanel and all other packages for 5 years
[20:28] <leszek> thats a huge work
[20:28] <MrChrisDruif> phillw; a dot-release is more than packaging I understand?
[20:28] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, you mean dot-release for 10.04, or for 12.04, or both ?
[20:29] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: as 10.04 was before adoption, it was never an LTS. We want to support it, as it is the last one with the old chip-set stuff.
[20:29] <leszek> MrChrisDruif: sometimes you need to write patches or backport them, especially when a software isn't maintained in this version in upstream anymore
[20:29] <MrChrisDruif> gilir; 10.04
[20:29] <MrChrisDruif> As we've already decided that 12.04 won't be a LTS
[20:29] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, considering the horrible work we done to maintain 10.04, I'm not sure it's a good idea
[20:30] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, also, people can still install 10.04, and upgrade after
[20:31] <gilir> it's the same result than a dot-release, you just dont have ISO already updated
[20:31] <MrChrisDruif> So the work is already done, but it isn't "packaged" into a release/iso?
[20:31] <Unit193> And LX stuff may not get in.
[20:31] <phillw> gilir: I have a crazy idea, but if on installation of 10.04 as a minimal iso - would people be able to lock the kernel from exceeding their kernel limit but still get a newer lubuntu-desktop?
[20:32] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, there is no ISO yes
[20:33] <gilir> phillw, you mean to prevent the drop of the support of some CPU after 10.04 ?
[20:33] <phillw> afaik, it is the dropping of cpu support as of 10.10 that is the issue.
[20:33] <gilir> :)
[20:33] <phillw> gilir: yes.
[20:33] <leszek> phillw: hmm... an unofficial precise ISO with the 10.04 kernel ?
[20:33] <gilir> phillw, unfortunatly no, because it's not only the kernel, every packages are affected
[20:33] <phillw> leszek: a way of them getting the precise stuff, but retain their kernel.
[20:34] <gilir> it's not the same issue than PAE
[20:34] <leszek> yeah they could use the old kernel with the newer precise base, that should be possible
[20:34] <phillw> gilir: okies... I did say it was a crazy idea. :P
[20:34] <leszek> ah ok
[20:34] <leszek> I only thought about PAE
[20:34] <phillw> I was also only thinking about PAE.
[20:35] <gilir> non-PAE are available on precise, so people can still upgrade from previous release
[20:35] <leszek> ah nice :)
[20:36] <phillw> from 10.04? That would be one mass of updates to go 10.04 --> 10.10 --> 11.04 --> 11.10 --> 12.04 !
[20:36] <gilir> and about maximised by default, we can talk about it next week, and let people discuss on the mailing list about this
[20:37] <gilir> phillw, I think there is an option for 10.04 to 12.04 directly
[20:37] <gilir> any other question for devs ?
[20:37] <phillw> gilir: I think that needs a 10.04.4 - which is relased for ubuntu, kubuntu and server tomorrow.
[20:38] <gilir> #topic MrChrisDruif - Weekly report - Update from Docs team
[20:38] <wxl> gilir: is max by default now the plan??
[20:38] <wxl> (i thought it was a bug)
[20:38] <wxl> regardless of one's preference, if that's the intention, then that's fine
[20:39] <gilir> wxl, under discussion, but can be drop later
[20:39] <wxl> ok well someone intended it, so that's fine :D
[20:39] <MrChrisDruif> Various "bugs" reported and dealt with, otherwise nothing to report.
[20:39] <MrChrisDruif> Questions?
[20:40] <gilir> thanks MrChrisDruif :)
[20:40] <wxl> MrChrisDruif: the "game plan?"
[20:40] <wxl> i might have missed it; i've been very busy personally lately
[20:41] <MrChrisDruif> My personal keeps heavily interrupting any plans/time to work on anything like that.
[20:41] <wxl> MrChrisDruif: well we can discuss this afterward but i think some direction would be good for the team as a whole. if you have some like quick notes or something i could probably embellish on them and get them up somewhere.
[20:41] <MrChrisDruif> But if others from the Docs team have a great plan to implement, I'm mainly a POC (Point Of Contact)
[20:42] <MrChrisDruif> A good team leader doesn't determine the route to go, but makes sure everyone on the team is going the same direction.
[20:42] <phillw> wxl: MrChrisDruif I do have an update re: duplicated/ triplicated pages. I'll get something into a mail.
[20:43] <wxl> phillw: thx nuff sed ;)
[20:43] <MrChrisDruif> This means that if the general consensus is a certain idea, I'll try to keep everyone working on that idea
[20:43] <MrChrisDruif> wxl; sed? ;-)
[20:44] <wxl> MrChrisDruif: yeah it's direction that i'm referring to. like i wonder what the major issues are. what's the low hanging fruit, etc.?
[20:44] <wxl> MrChrisDruif: s/sed/said/ ;)
[20:45] <gilir> ok, let's continue :)
[20:46] <gilir> Yorvyk is not here, let's move the item to next week
[20:46] <MrChrisDruif> Low hanging fruit? Major obstacle is indeed the duplication and information on the wrong area (help on wiki and vice verse)
[20:46] <gilir> StephenSmally, something to say about LSC, since it's released ? :)
[20:47] <MrChrisDruif> gilir; shouldn't this be in a new topic?
[20:48] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, it was a topic last week, now I don't think there is something to say :)
[20:49] <gilir> let's move to the last item
[20:49] <gilir> #topic wxl - dependencies of lubuntu-core
[20:49] <StephenSmally> Not much to say
[20:49] <wxl> oh yeah forgot about that one
[20:49] <gilir> wxl, I finally understand what you mean about this :)
[20:49] <StephenSmally> It's out :-P
[20:50] <StephenSmally> (Anyway, no one removed the old item in the agenda about LSC, i wasn't planning to talk about)
[20:50] <wxl> gilir: i think this may be resolved if i read the mailing list correct in that it sounds like lubuntu-core is growing a bit to be a bit more "functional" and require the average user to be able to install it without having to do anything extra to get some basics going
[20:51] <gilir> wxl, to clarify, I added a depend on some common packages for desktop meta-package
[20:51] <wxl> although i think for some people it would be nice to have a totally stripped down version, but this is possible with net install, yes?
[20:51] <MrChrisDruif> You mentioned it in the mailing-list already gilir
[20:52] <gilir> wxl, yes, everything is possible with a net install :)
[20:52] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, arf, sorry, my memory is not so good today :)
[20:52] <wxl> gilir: right so we're done with this topic. MrChrisDruif/phillw -- have we already fixed the wiki on this subject?
[20:53] <MrChrisDruif> I think so, but I'll update the minimal install with links to the corresponding packages.ubuntu.com pages
[20:53] <phillw> wxl: 12.04 is not yet released, along with the three options out of the 5 that we expect people to wish to use.
[20:54] <phillw> but it is not a major re-write :)
[20:54] <wxl> phillw: ahh good point. we should put that on the todo list for later
[20:54] <wxl> or perhaps just populate the wiki with the new info (maybe at the bottom) for those that are already testing
[20:54] <MrChrisDruif> We do need to decide on which installations we might want to suggest on the minimial install page
[20:55] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: I'd go for the 3.... full desktop, core and minimal core.
[20:55] <phillw> doing a desktop with no-recoomends seems so wierd :P
[20:55] <MrChrisDruif> phillw; yeah, but I'd go for core, minimal-desktop and desktop
[20:57] <wxl> when in actuality there are 5 real options: core, minimal-core, desktop, minimal-desktop, and whatever you want with the netinstall
[20:57] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: but we can discuss the 5 available options,
[20:57] <wxl> i think we should explain them all because in reality people are giong to ask about them all at some point
[20:57] <MrChrisDruif> Yup, seems like a mailing-list topic
[20:58] <wxl> that will allow those people that aren't happy with just the standard install to just pick and choose what works for them
[20:58] <wxl> of course standard install is desktop, so why talk about it? ;)
[20:58] <gilir> we are closed to the end of the meeting, anything to add ?
[20:59] <phillw> on the areas of comms-team.... a discussion is ongoing for a re-vamp of lubuntu.net on the general mailing list. For support team, it seems to be gelling and allowing people from the various support systems chat to each other. nothing else to really report on them both that I am aware of.
[20:59] <gilir> #topic others topics
[20:59] <wxl> i will add re: comms that the facebook group is up to 52 members
[20:59] <wxl> and growing
[20:59] <wxl> discussions are active, especially with phillw's help ;)
[20:59] <Unit193> What facebook group? There's quite a few now.
[21:00] <MrChrisDruif> Lubuntu Official I think he means
[21:00] <wxl> https://www.facebook.com/groups/lubuntu.official
[21:00] <wxl> there is only "one" now
[21:00] <phillw> I'm on them all... makes little difference to me :)
[21:01] <kanliot> i talked to one of the team member doing the website.  he's doesn't knwo what is required from him
[21:01] <wxl> unlike the others, this is one that we actually have control over
[21:02] <phillw> wxl: I though lubuntu was under the control of Mario?
[21:02] <kanliot> i think the guy is frustrated that he feels that he doesnt have control
[21:02] <kanliot> i donno
[21:02] <kanliot> IMHO could be fixed easily
[21:02] <wxl> phillw: didn't think so-- from what i gathered
[21:03] <phillw> one for the mailing list :)
[21:03] <gilir> phillw, it should be
[21:03] <kanliot>  i'll bring it up onthe mailing list thnx
[21:04] <gilir> ok thanks everyone, it's time :)
[21:04] <gilir> #endmeeting
[21:04] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Feb 15 21:04:09 2012 UTC.
[21:04] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-15-20.03.moin.txt
[21:04] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-15-20.03.html
[21:04] <wxl> thx all
[21:04] <phillw> oh, and thanks gilir for all the late nighta
[21:04] <phillw> nights..
[21:04] <leszek> n8 @ all
[21:04] <phillw> you've really put some hours in since the house move :)
[21:04] <moergaes_> bye everybody
[23:23] <manhunter> hi
[23:23] <manhunter> anyone there?