[00:20] <bkerensa> slangasek: I'm adding the event to loco.u.c right now and also an announcement will follow
[00:20] <bkerensa> :)
[00:20] <slangasek> cool :)
[00:48] <albrigha> bkerensa, you around? or someone? to ping 199.68.177.2
[00:48] <albrigha> my host is saying i have a local network issue to my domain
[00:48] <albrigha> but i think it's on their end.
[00:49] <albrigha> trying to figure out where the issue is
[00:49] <bkerensa> slangasek: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/console-common/+bug/881079
[00:49] <bkerensa> :(
[00:49] <bkerensa> not fixed for me
[00:49] <albrigha> i've seen that a bunch of times
[00:49] <slangasek> albrigha: I can reach that IP
[00:50] <slangasek> bkerensa: what about it?
[00:50] <bkerensa> albrigha: I get response from the IP
[00:50] <slangasek> bkerensa: oh, "not fixed for you" - well, then either that's not your bug, or you have packages installed that it doesn't make sense for you to :)
[00:51] <slangasek> correction - if it's not fixed for you, then it's not your bug, period
[00:51] <bkerensa> k
[00:51] <slangasek> that bug is about a *wrong* message saying that it's waiting for the network when it isn't
[00:51] <slangasek> if you get that message, it's really waiting for the network... so it's probably an issue with your system's network config
[00:52] <albrigha> hm okay
[00:52] <albrigha> can you guys get to browncoat.us ?
[00:52] <slangasek> bkerensa: please pastebin me ls -l /var/run/network, as well as the contents of /etc/network/interfaces
[00:52] <bkerensa> slangasek: Well how do I know its not wrong? The symptoms seem to be identical
[00:52] <bkerensa> sure
[00:52] <albrigha> (sorry to interrupt)
[00:52] <slangasek> bkerensa: you know it's not wrong because I'm telling you so :)
[00:52] <slangasek> albrigha: yes, I can reach that website
[00:53] <albrigha> i have no idea why i'ts not working for me
[00:53] <albrigha> i traceroute it and it stops at the router right  before my website
[00:53] <albrigha> but i seem to be the only one with the prob
[00:53] <albrigha> 2 diff computers
[00:53] <albrigha> (here i tested)
[00:54] <bkerensa> slangasek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/842463/
[00:54] <bkerensa> albrigha: What does your network look like?
[00:54] <slangasek> albrigha: yes, it probably is as they say a routing issue with your local provider
[00:55] <bkerensa> hmm
[00:55] <c_smith> hey, I have a quick question regarding commands: is there a command to check free PCI slots in a desktop?
[00:55] <albrigha> pretty simple. linksys wifi router to comcast
[00:55] <c_smith> Google failed me there.
[00:55] <slangasek> albrigha: either with your local provider or with the hosting provider, but the hosting provider says they've already checked :)
[00:55] <albrigha> yeah so i'm confused..
[00:55] <albrigha> must be comcast then i guess
[00:56] <bkerensa> c_smith: You dont know how many PCI slots are unused on your desktop?
[00:56] <bkerensa> :s
[00:56] <slangasek> bkerensa: very interesting; /var/run/network/ifup.lo is missing
[00:56] <albrigha> c_smith, you could try lshw > hardware.txt
[00:56] <albrigha> then gedit hardware.txt
[00:56] <albrigha> but not 100% sure it will tell you how many empty
[00:56] <albrigha> it will def tell you what is in the slots
[00:56] <bkerensa> albrigha: Why not just check manually? :P
[00:57] <albrigha> haha yeah that would seem to be the easiest option
[00:57] <bkerensa> It seems absurd to not know what you have installed in your own box
[00:57] <bkerensa> :D
[00:57] <albrigha> lol
[00:57] <c_smith> bkerensa, I just got it set up, it was custom built for another person a few years ago, and I'm trying to find what I can replace/improve, or if I need to just use parts from it to build another PC.
[00:57] <bkerensa> ahh
[00:57] <bkerensa> I would just crack the hood open :P
[00:57] <slangasek> bkerensa: can you paste the contents of /run/network/ifstate ?  also, what version of the resolvconf package do you have installed?
[00:57] <c_smith> bkerensa, so in a sense, it wasn't originally mine. :{
[00:57] <c_smith> *:P
[00:58] <c_smith> and I'd feel much safer if I could find this out through software, as I'm lost when it comes to figuring out what's in there physically
[00:58] <c_smith> but I might as well try.
[00:59] <albrigha> lshw is pretty cool
[00:59] <albrigha> it might not answer all your questions. but it will tell you a lot
[00:59] <albrigha> still a good command to know :)
[01:01] <c_smith> from lshw (which I've known about for some time) I can say this PC has an 80GB ATA HDD, not SATA, ATA.
[01:02] <c_smith> one question about craching it open: is it safe to open it on a hard wood floor?
[01:02] <c_smith> or should I find a rubber mat to put it on?
[01:09] <albrigha> i open mine on the hardwood floor
[01:09] <albrigha> haven't had any issues..but no promises lol
[01:10] <c_smith> ok
[01:10] <albrigha> c_smith, sorry i hope i didn't come off wrong. its hard to know what people know or not.
[01:11] <c_smith> you came off alright, not offended in any way.
[01:11] <c_smith> now I need to know what I'm looking for to see if I have free PCI slots.
[01:13] <c_smith> is the PCI slots the ones that align with the slots for expansions in the back of the casing?
[01:14] <albrigha> they are white a lot of the time
[01:14] <albrigha> most i'd even say
[01:14] <albrigha> agp/pci is brownish usually
[01:14] <albrigha> eh
[01:14] <albrigha> agp/pci-e
[01:14] <albrigha> but i'm thinking your system prob has just an agp
[01:16] <c_smith> there's 4 white plug-like slots that a horizontal to the back expansion parts of the PC,
[01:16] <bkerensa> slangasek ifstate is empty and E: Unable to locate package resolveconf
[01:16] <bkerensa> :P
[01:16] <slangasek> bkerensa: resolvconf, not resolveconf
[01:17] <bkerensa> oh darn
[01:17] <c_smith> and then another taken by what looks to a GPU.
[01:18] <bkerensa> slangasek: resolvconf is 1.6.3ubuntu7
[01:18] <slangasek> ok
[01:18] <albrigha> c_smith, sounds about right
[01:18] <c_smith> ok
[01:19] <slangasek> bkerensa: ls -l /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/, ls -l /etc/network/if-up.d/, ls -l /var/log/upstart?
[01:19] <slangasek> bkerensa: this is precise, right?
[01:19] <slangasek> n/m, it's clearly precise
[01:19] <bkerensa> albrigha: I think concerns of anti-static lines and such are minimal... I was taught to use a anti-static line etc but over the years I have abandoned such practices and had zero issues
[01:19] <c_smith> albrigha, k then those are PCI?
[01:19] <bkerensa> I guess if were talking server building I would use a line but not on my pc
[01:19] <bkerensa> slangasek: yes precise
[01:20] <c_smith> the graphics unit is in a green slot.
[01:21] <slangasek> bkerensa: yeppers - so those ls outputs might point to the problem
[01:21] <bkerensa> slangasek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/842486/
[01:21] <bkerensa> :D
[01:21] <c_smith> it's the ATI card in the green slot, and I know from lshw that the ATI card is a gpu.
[01:21] <c_smith> and that I also have an Nforce GPU, too
[01:22] <slangasek> bkerensa: basically, what I believe is happening is that on boot, the 'ifup --allow auto lo' command called from /etc/init/network-interface.conf is successfully bringing up the interface (because it's hard for that to fail), but then one of the ifupdown hooks is failing, causing /etc/network/if-up.d/upstart to not be run
[01:22] <bkerensa> slangasek: So is this a bug or is it something borked on my configs?
[01:23] <bkerensa> if its a bug I can report it
[01:23] <bkerensa> :D
[01:23] <slangasek> bkerensa: it may be a bug, but it's not a bug in upstart ;)  I'm trying to get enough info to see where the bug is
[01:24] <slangasek> bkerensa: my current best guess is that it's a bug in the firestarter package
[01:24] <slangasek> bkerensa: can I see /var/log/upstart/network-interface-eth1.log?
[01:25] <bkerensa> slangasek: It is empty
[01:25] <c_smith> nice, just read the mainboard markings, I do indeed have 5 PCI slots free, and the mainboard is capable of SATA.
[01:25] <slangasek> bkerensa: ah; can I see /var/log/upstart/network-interface-eth1.log.1.gz then, please :)
[01:27] <slangasek> bkerensa: nah, strike that, that file shouldn't tell me anything useful
[01:28] <slangasek> bkerensa: can I have you, at your convenience, upgrade to a test package of upstart, reboot, and then show me /var/log/upstart/network-interface-lo.log which should then be available?
[01:28] <slangasek> bkerensa: instructions for the test package: http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/02/call-for-testing-upstart-14.html
[01:30] <bkerensa> slangasek: surely... it is installing now I will be back short;y
[01:34] <albrigha> bkerensa, haha me too for the most part. i mean i might tap the power supply while it's plugged in before i reach in. but i don't worry about it otherwise
[01:35] <bkerensa> then again I haven't really used a desktop in almost 10 years
[01:35] <bkerensa> :D
[01:35] <bkerensa> I have had one but it was rarely used
[01:38] <bkerensa> albrigha: Next time you come up for a Ubuntu Hour I should send you home with CD's
[01:38] <bkerensa> "D
[01:38] <bkerensa> Canonical decided to send me far more CD's then I could possibly use in this release cycle
[01:39] <bkerensa> I ask for 30 CD's and they send me 600
[01:39] <bkerensa> :(
[01:45] <bkerensa> slangasek: Hmm that did not resolve
[01:45] <slangasek> resolve?
[01:45] <bkerensa> slangasek: That did not fix the issues I'm encountering
[01:45] <slangasek> bkerensa: I thought someone wanted to put a stack of CDs at PSU?
[01:45] <bkerensa> :D
[01:46] <bkerensa> slangasek: I might talk to blkperl about figuring out where those could go... If I get permission then surely I could go drop off a bunch
[01:46] <bkerensa> :D
[01:46] <slangasek> bkerensa: it wasn't supposed to; it was just supposed to turn on full upstart logging support so I could get useful logs
[01:46] <slangasek> bkerensa: do you have a /var/log/upstart/network-interface-lo.log now?
[01:46] <bkerensa> slangasek: Ahh :) ok well
[01:46] <bkerensa> let me check
[01:46] <blkperl> bkerensa: yes we want stacks of ubuntu cd
[01:47] <bkerensa> blkperl: Ok where would I drop them off?
[01:47] <blkperl> bkerensa: FAB 82-01 (Fourth Ave Building)
[01:47] <bkerensa> blkperl: Who to I deliver them to?
[01:47] <bkerensa> :D
[01:47] <blkperl> CAT front desk
[01:48] <blkperl> which release are they for?
[01:48] <bkerensa> blkperl: 11.10
[01:48] <blkperl> k
[01:49] <bkerensa> blkperl: Are there any places to post a flyer about Ubuntu Oregon?
[01:49] <bkerensa> :D
[01:49] <bkerensa> paper spamming is fun
[01:49] <blkperl> bkerensa: leave flyer at the front desk too
[01:49] <bkerensa> slangasek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/842506/
[01:50] <bkerensa> blkperl: Ok :)
[01:50] <blkperl> or you can leave one with the cs tutors
[01:50] <bkerensa> blkperl: I will see about heading down there either this week or early next
[01:50] <bkerensa> :D
[01:50] <blkperl> bkerensa: if you come Friday at 4pm you can do you 15min talk for psu-acm
[01:50] <blkperl> s/you/your
[01:50] <blkperl> and get free pizza
[01:50] <bkerensa> blkperl: LOL
[01:51] <bkerensa> blkperl: What happened to four weeks :P
[01:51] <bkerensa> blkperl: :P
[01:51] <blkperl> well your talk is only 15mins it can fit before any of the talks
[01:51] <slangasek> bkerensa: WHOO I'm so happy, we got a log
[01:52] <blkperl> well their more of workshops
[01:52] <blkperl> for the next 2 weeks
[01:52] <slangasek> bkerensa: so, please file a bug on firestarter about it breaking your networking :)
[01:52] <bkerensa> slangasek: and then apt-get remove? :P
[01:53] <slangasek> bkerensa: also, you may want to run 'sudo ln -sf ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf', so that you get the benefits of resolvconf
[01:53] <bkerensa> blkperl: I really wish I could do this Friday but I'm still settling into my new place and have a lot of stuff to do thursday and friday
[01:53] <bkerensa> :D
[01:53] <bkerensa> painting/setting up our network etc
[01:53] <bkerensa> :D
[01:53] <albrigha> bkerensa, sorry its been crazy today. actually we where talking about making CDs for the loco right? can we use shipit and order a bunch?
[01:54] <bkerensa> albrigha: Your employer nuked Shipit
[01:54] <bkerensa> :)
[01:54] <bkerensa> it hasn't existed for the public for a long time now
[01:54] <bkerensa> :D
[01:54] <albrigha> oh lol
[01:54] <slangasek> bkerensa: are you not using firestarter as your firewall? If not, you should probably do 'apt-get purge' instead :)
[01:54] <albrigha> i haven't used it in a few years.. darn i liked shipit
[01:54] <bkerensa> Until were an approved loco... the only way I get CD's is if someone at Canonical shows me love
[01:55] <bkerensa> :D
[01:55] <albrigha> hm
[01:55] <albrigha> have you talked with balloons by chance?
[01:55] <slangasek> (since 'apt-get remove' isn't enough to get rid of the script that's failing)
[01:55] <bkerensa> balloons: ?
[01:55] <bkerensa> he works for Jono right?
[01:55] <bkerensa> :D
[01:55] <albrigha> actually he might i'm not sure
[01:55] <albrigha> he's doing community stuff as well
[01:55] <slangasek> he does
[01:55] <albrigha> ahh
[01:55] <albrigha> it's all coming together, slowly
[01:56] <slangasek> he's the Community QA coordinator
[01:56] <bkerensa> yeah... I would just ask Jono because eventually it all goes to him anyways and then goes to Ceiz or Jas
[01:56] <bkerensa> :D
[01:56] <albrigha> haha
[01:56] <bkerensa> saves one step
[01:56] <albrigha> i haven't put it all together the community coordinators yet
[01:56] <bkerensa> albrigha: I wouldnt try... It seems dynamic
[01:56] <bkerensa> :D
[01:57] <albrigha> lol
[01:57] <albrigha> you'd know way more than I that's for sure
[01:57] <bkerensa> only because I idle in the comm channel
[02:00] <bkerensa> blkperl: Anyways once I get these down there let me know when they run out and I will try and keep you guys stocked
[02:00] <bkerensa> :D
[02:06] <bkerensa> slangasek: Thanks for helping me figure that out... I remove firestarter
[02:08] <slangasek> bkerensa: no problem - I'm very happy to be putting upstart logging to use
[02:20] <c_smith> now to find the hdd capabilities of the mainboard
[03:53] <MarkDude> http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2012/02/15/anatomy-of-an-attack-comes-to-portland-or/
[03:53] <MarkDude> Your bot should announce the link
[04:34] <sbeattie> c_smith: generally, dmidecode is what I use to query hardware about what it thinks it has.
[04:35] <sbeattie> That said, hardware may think it has something available when it actually doesn't have the necessary connector on the motherboard.
[08:34] <bkerensa> hello randumbum
[09:23] <randumbum> @bkerensa--> hiya
[09:23] <meetingology> randumbum: Error: "bkerensa-->" is not a valid command.
[09:24] <randumbum> bkerensa: Hello
[09:28] <randumbum> bkerensa: just found your website.  I'll be adding it to my feeds to keep track of changes.  Nice to know more about the local linux community.
[09:36] <bkerensa> randumbum: No doubt... We have events every few months :)
[09:36] <bkerensa> We have one coming up in March
[13:06] <bkerensa> albrigha: You are up pretty early ;)
[13:31] <albrigha> haha yeah
[13:31] <albrigha> working on the automation testing stuff. we have a meeting later and i wanted to connect with some folks across the pond, as they say
[13:32] <albrigha> good times though
[13:32] <albrigha> i couldn't sleep anyway shrug
[13:40] <bkerensa> diff is burning 14% of my cpu
[13:40] <bkerensa> :D
[13:40] <bkerensa> albrigha: Do you only hangout on Canonical's server channel :) I noticed your in here and devel but not -kernel :)
[13:41] <albrigha> well not only, but i am on there
[13:41] <albrigha> i haven't thought about kernel (well no one said anything) but i think it's a good idea
[13:42] <albrigha> bkerensa, any other cool channels i should get in on? :)
[13:43] <bkerensa> heh
[13:43] <bkerensa> well stay out of kernel unless you want to do work
[13:43] <bkerensa> :P
[13:43] <albrigha> lol
[13:43] <bkerensa> I went in there to submit one patch and am ending up doing another
[13:43] <bkerensa> :P
[13:43] <albrigha> haha awesome
[13:43] <albrigha> was that the waiting for network?
[13:43] <albrigha> on boot? annoying..
[13:45] <bkerensa> albrigha: Uhh no that was Firestarter... I'm not skilled enough to do that big of fixes or confident
[13:45] <bkerensa> :)
[13:45] <bkerensa> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/593107
[13:45] <bkerensa> thats what I was working on
[13:45] <albrigha> haha me either
[13:45] <bkerensa> simple stuff
[13:45] <bkerensa> :P
[13:45] <tgm4883> firestarter?
[13:45] <tgm4883> hasn't that been unmaintained for years now?
[13:46] <bkerensa> tgm4883: It is in USC
[13:46] <bkerensa> :D
[13:46] <albrigha> bkerensa, well still cool
[13:46] <tgm4883> yea
[13:46] <bkerensa> tgm4883: It nuked my booting for a week
[13:46] <bkerensa> :D
[13:46] <tgm4883> although it should probably be removed
[13:46] <bkerensa> tgm4883: Or maintained? :)
[13:46] <tgm4883> bkerensa, have you tried gufw?
[13:46] <bkerensa> tgm4883: Nope. I was just using Firestarter to monitor traffic not filter
[13:46] <bkerensa> :D
[13:47] <tgm4883> bkerensa, http://gufw.tuxfamily.org/
[13:47] <albrigha> i haven't used firestarter in forever
[13:47] <tgm4883> I haven't used gufw, but it looks to be similar
[13:47] <albrigha> it looks goo
[13:47] <albrigha> good even
[13:48] <tgm4883> bkerensa, if you frequent the security forum on ubuntu forums, they tell you not to use firestarter
[13:48] <bkerensa> tgm4883: I have to interview Revell in a week or so :P
[13:49] <tgm4883> bkerensa, he's a descent guy, I didn't get that job though
[13:49] <bkerensa> tgm4883: Huh... I have been less active on forums for a few months now
[13:49] <tgm4883> I am happy that he told me within a few hours. I hate it when places either don't tell you that you are no longer in the running or wait weeks to do it
[13:50] <bkerensa> tgm4883: Indeed
[13:50] <albrigha> Revell?
[13:50] <bkerensa> tgm4883: But you are starting a new job right?
[13:50] <tgm4883> yea
[13:50] <tgm4883> at Chemeketa
[13:50] <albrigha> tgm4883, what will you be doing?
[13:51] <bkerensa> tgm4883: Ahh... Salem Campus?
[13:51] <tgm4883> albrigha, system admin
[13:51] <tgm4883> bkerensa, yea
[13:51] <albrigha> cool!
[13:51] <tgm4883> start on monday
[13:51] <tgm4883> which means hopefully i'll be able to start going to ubuntu hours in salem again
[13:51] <bkerensa> tgm4883: Have fun with their Windows boxes... I imagine quite a bit are Windows
[13:51] <bkerensa> :D
[13:52] <tgm4883> bkerensa, I'm sure a bunch of them are, but they have linux boxes as well
[13:52] <bkerensa> I took some classes at PCC and they luckily did offer Ubuntu on all their desktops
[13:52] <bkerensa> :D
[13:52] <tgm4883> probably just their backend server's for storage and virtualization though
[13:52] <albrigha> wow really??
[13:52] <bkerensa> They dual-boot Windows XP/7 and Ubuntu
[13:52] <bkerensa> :D
[13:52] <albrigha> well that's nice
[13:53] <bkerensa> Their CS professor is a windows geek though and he sadly also teaches the very few FOSS classes they have
[13:53] <bkerensa> :P
[13:54] <tgm4883> heh, actually, here is the minimum qualifications they wanted
[13:54] <tgm4883> Four years of experience in Linux and/or VMware syFour years of experience in Linux and/or VMware system administration that includes at least one year of experience supporting Linux servers employing scripting techniques stem administration that includes at least one year of experience supporting Linux servers employing scripting techniques
[13:54] <tgm4883> no mention of windows in there
[13:54] <bkerensa> btw... tgm4883 have you used perf top
[13:54] <bkerensa> ?
[13:55] <tgm4883> nope
[13:55] <bkerensa> its nice... I like it
[13:56] <tgm4883> does look nice, installing it now
[13:57] <tgm4883> hmm, apparently there is also a kernel upgrade required
[14:03] <bkerensa> tgm4883: LOL
[14:03] <bkerensa> what does changelog say for that upgrade? :)
[14:06] <bkerensa> ahh nevermind those have not been pushed yet
[15:24] <albrigha> well that was annoying. bkerensa, have you ever encountered changing the  BIOS time (after install) makes ubuntu not boot?
[15:25] <bkerensa> albrigha: No =o
[15:25] <albrigha> hm maybe if you get a sec wanna try it to make sure i'm not crazy?
[15:25] <albrigha> i changed the time and i tried everything and it refused to boot into x
[15:25] <albrigha> i could do recovery, fsck,etc. but it wouldn't boot and i couldn't do alt-f2 etc
[15:26] <albrigha> ctrl-alt-f2 etc anyway
[15:26] <albrigha> if not i'll see if someone else can give it a try, i know you are busy
[15:26] <albrigha> sa'll good
[15:26] <albrigha> i had to go back into the bio and change it back
[15:26] <albrigha> cause i was trying to figure out what changed..and that was the only thing i changed before hand in the bios anyway
[15:27] <albrigha> i was going to enable the virtualization etc and realized the time was all wrong
[15:27] <albrigha> change that and vm and no boot. then eventually went back to the bios and undid what i did one at a time.
[15:27] <albrigha> and it booted when i changed the time back to the old time
[15:55] <albrigha> bkerensa, i forgot to send this to you: http://harvest.ubuntu.com/ not sure if you've seen it before, but thought you might like it
[15:57] <tgm4883> albrigha, sounds like it thinks all the timestamps are in the future?
[15:57] <tgm4883> IIRC, I've seen that issue on RHEL machines
[15:57] <albrigha> tgm4883, yeah i think the same thing..but it should still boot i think? shouldn't totally fail, i think
[15:58] <tgm4883> albrigha, It's been awhile since I've seen that, but I thought it warns you of it. Is it possibly waiting for user input?
[15:59] <albrigha> for me it stops at either a blinking curser or a totally black screen.
[16:02] <albrigha> i looked in boot.log and bootstrap.log and syslog but i don't see any errors
[16:03] <albrigha> not sure where else to look for boot error messages..
[16:07] <tgm4883> dmesg?
[16:09] <albrigha> nothing in there either. i wonder if i'll have to cause it again and then drop to a shell to see
[16:10] <albrigha> i mean there is a lot of stuff in there..but i can't seem to find any time/date error
[17:07] <sbeattie> albrigha: it's not fscking because the superblock's timestamp is in the future?
[17:07] <albrigha> sbeattie, I thought  something like that as well, but i ran fsck from recovery and it completed successfully
[17:25] <tgm4883> sbeattie, that is the message I remember from my time with RHEL
[20:46] <cweber10> bkerensa: Hello how are things going today
[22:58] <bkerensa> cweber10: Can we reschedule for Friday at your availability? I have something urgent that came up today