[00:17] <ScottL> knome, when you get awake or back or both....ping :)
[01:36] <Len-1204> ScottL:...
[01:38] <Len-1204> The themes are fine. Only two changes needed. The default session needs to be changed to ubuntustudio instead of xfce and the path needs to be fixed for the lightdm background
[01:39] <Len-1204> A lot of the menu icons don't work... but I think that is my messing around with the menus.
[01:48] <Len-1204> The bottom panel is missing stuff too, but that is because it is xubuntu-esque and can't find stuff.
[02:04] <ScottL> Len-1204, that is good new
[02:04] <ScottL> news
[02:04] <ScottL> i just wish i could get an install to actually, you know...install
[02:05] <Len-1204> Ya, when I log in with the US session picked it works.
[02:05] <Len-1204> when does it quit?
[02:05] <Len-1204> are you using the 32 or the64 bit install?
[02:08] <ScottL> i tried both, but the 64 bit is a new build from parts so i don't really have a baseline with it
[02:08] <Len-1204> I only have the 32 bit stuff.
[02:08] <ScottL> the 32 bit has hyperthreading (HT) and is kinda unstable at times but seems to install xubuntu well enough
[02:09] <ScottL> i'm curretnly installing xubuntu on the 64 bit to make sure it handles the installs
[02:09] <Len-1204> I have had no problems installing..
[02:09] <Len-1204> ScottL: Do you have a live session?
[02:09] <ScottL> i do have live session
[02:09] <ScottL> the 32 bit seems to install but then hangs during booting
[02:10] <ScottL> i get the plymouth theme going and then it goes to a text screen and starts the ....
[02:10] <ScottL> Checking for something or other                         [OK]
[02:10] <Len-1204> Then you are ok. When it stalls hit alt F1 and log in
[02:10] <ScottL> ^^^ above x6 or so
[02:10] <ScottL> oh....okay :)
[02:10] <ScottL> Len-1204, is that because of hte lightdm business?
[02:10] <Len-1204> then sudo bash and cd /usr/share/xgreeters
[02:11] <Len-1204> Yup and then ln -s <tab> (to get the file name and then default.desktop
[02:16] <Len-1204> ScottL: I have some menu changes ready. I just need to do a few *.directory files.
[02:17] <ScottL> Len-1204, but i think the changes need to really be discussed
[02:17] <ScottL> before making changes
[02:18] <Len-1204> ScottL: no problem, I seem to have figured it out anyway.
[02:18] <Len-1204> What are you planning for the second panel?
[02:19] <Len-1204> Right now you have the xubuntu one, but lots of icons don't work.
[02:25] <Len-1204> ScottL: right now I have the menu set up so that right below settings there are 4 new menus: Audio Production, Video Production, Graphics and Potography.
[02:55] <Len-1204> ScottL: there is a file in /etc/lightdm called lightdm.conf
[02:55] <Len-1204> it has:
[02:55] <Len-1204> [SeatDefaults]
[02:55] <Len-1204> user-session=xfce
[02:55] <Len-1204> allow-guest=false
[02:56] <Len-1204> Maybe change the user-session to ubuntustudio.
[03:13] <ScottL> Len-1204, AH!  you are probably correct :D
[03:14] <Len-1204> ScottL: not sure what our session is called exactly... I would have to log out to see
[03:18] <Len-1204> ScottL: There are only two workspaces (desktops) is that the plan?
[03:18] <Len-1204> I personally find that limiting, 4 or 6.
[03:19] <Len-1204> (very limiting for trouble shooting distros  ;-)
[03:31] <Len-1204> ScottL: I think I found the problem with lightdm looking for default.desktop too.
[03:32] <Len-1204> The same file as above (/etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf) from the xubuntu distro looks like this:
[03:32] <Len-1204> [SeatDefaults]
[03:32] <Len-1204> user-session=xubuntu
[03:32] <Len-1204> greeter-session=lightdm-gtk-greeter
[03:32] <Len-1204> Notice the last line.
[03:39] <Len-1204> I think I might leave the no guests thing though.
[06:18] <micahg> Len-1204: ScottL: I believe the lightdm conf file is set by the postint in xubuntu-default-settings
[06:33] <Len-1204> I was going to look but seem to have deleted it :/
[06:37] <Len-1204> Ok, downloaded. yup, that looks like that is how it is done.
[06:39] <Len-1204> micahg: Thankyou. I figure Scott is asleep by now. I'll send him email though. With the text and the suggested ubuntustudio package to apply it to.
[06:48] <Len-1204> Our US default-settings pkg seems the postinst and the postrm are the same file.
[06:57] <Len-1204> Diff shows none.
[06:58] <Len-1204> ScottL: it seems our ubuntustudio-default-settings pkg the DEBIAN/postinstall has been over written with postrm.
[06:59]  * micahg think cjwatson proposed a branch or something to clean those up anyways
[07:18] <Len-1204> US has three or four packages to do what xubuntu does with one... and we drop related files all over the place instead of one directory.
[07:20] <Len-1204> ScottL: see email.
[10:15] <knome> ScottL, ping
[13:21] <ScottL> knome, pong
[14:02] <knome> ScottL, hey :)
[14:36] <scott-work> knome: i'm at work now
[14:36] <knome> scott-work, okay... not at a ubuntu machine? :P
[14:36] <scott-work> lol, not now, but i did go through the slideshow last night, it was shortly after you went to sleep
[14:36] <knome> great!
[14:36] <knome> how did it look?
[14:37] <scott-work> it was okay, i would suggest some restruction/simplication along with some editing of the text
[14:38] <scott-work> but that can be handled later, most likely
[14:38] <knome> well, it's in a branch under ubuntustudio so you could even change the text yourself
[14:38] <knome> one thing i was thinking about:
[14:38] <scott-work> capital :)
[14:38] <knome> do you want welcome/thanks -slides?
[14:40] <scott-work> knome: i'm not sure, is that something other derivatives do?  is it common practice?  do you want your name in there ;) ?
[14:40] <scott-work> (that last question was me being a little silly)
[14:40] <knome> heh i suppose it is
[14:40] <knome> i mean, welcome slide:
[14:41] <knome> "welcome to the ubuntu studio installation and thanks for choosing ... blahblah"
[14:41] <knome> and not "gimp is an image editor that..."
[14:41] <knome> you know, a bit softer start...
[14:41] <knome> and thanks in the end, saying thanks again for choosing, you can get support from X, ...
[14:42] <knome> we have a link to #xubuntu@freenode in the last slide
[14:42] <knome> it's nice to see people joining and saying thanks
[14:42] <knome> or maybe asking a few questiong
[14:42] <knome> s/g/s/
[14:42] <knome> they're kind of sucked in immediately
[14:47] <scott-work> knome: those are extremely good suggestions
[14:47] <scott-work> are you waiting on me for anything on the slideshows?  am i holding you up?
[14:47] <knome> no, not really
[14:48] <knome> i'm okay for pushing it to the main branch now really
[14:48] <scott-work> if not, i will look at this this, especially since it is in a ubuntu studio branch, late after i resolve some lightdm issues
[14:48] <scott-work> s/late/later
[14:48] <knome> sure
[14:48] <knome> the pages are simple html documents
[14:48] <knome> i mean, *REALLY SIMPLE* :)
[14:48]  * scott-work should also thank micahg for his repeated hints about the postin files for lightdm :P
[14:49] <scott-work> knome: good :)
[14:49] <scott-work> i think i need a few "simple" tasks for a bit
[14:49] <knome> they are at slideshows/ubuntustudio/slides/
[14:49] <knome> i will add the slides for welcome and thanks too
[14:49] <knome> and you can add the content for those too
[14:50] <scott-work> knome: that would be most welcome!
[15:09] <scott-work> might have gotten another set of eyes on the lowlatency kernel....this just might make it into the repos in time for precise
[15:09] <scott-work> but now i worry that i jinxed it by mentioning this
[15:10] <knome> scott-work, i just pushed a new revision with the two new slides
[15:14] <scott-work> knome: thank you :)
[15:15] <knome> np
[15:15] <knome> did you see my PM earlier?
[15:16] <scott-work> knome: oh, no, i didn't
[15:16] <scott-work> can you post it to me again, but on this nick?
[15:16] <knome> sure :)
[15:23] <holstein> knome: ping!
[15:25] <knome> holstein, pong!
[15:25] <knome> holstein, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/precise
[15:26] <holstein> COOL!
[15:26] <holstein> is there anything else i can handle?
[15:40] <knome> well, if you're a member in the dev team in LP, you can edit and push yourself changes
[15:40] <knome> anyway, could you look through the slideshow and tell if there is something apart from content you'd like changed
[15:42] <holstein> knome: cool... let me see if i know how to do that :)
[15:43] <knome> holstein, bzr branch lp:~ubuntustudio-dev/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/precise
[15:43] <knome> holstein, then cd to ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[15:43] <knome> holstein, and run test-slideshow.sh and choose ubuntustudio
[15:59] <holstein> knome: i should say, im trying to do this from debian... ./test-slideshow.sh: 24: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
[15:59] <knome> that must be a debian error then
[16:01] <holstein> let me see what i have in Vbox
[16:18] <scott-work> holstein: lol, i'm listening to the latest OPSM episode and you talked about RPM and mentioned everyone doing it...but me :P
[16:19] <scott-work> i know i said i'm probably not going to have time this year, but i said that after you and dan recorded ;)
[16:21] <scott-work> knome: just to be clear (as i'm looking at the blueprint), you have NOT pushed the slideshow changes to the main branch yet (and presumable therefore no one has pushed the changes into the repos)?
[16:22] <holstein> scott-work: :/
[16:22] <holstein> sorry
[16:22] <scott-work> hehe, it's okay, just thought it was funny :)
[16:22] <scott-work> am i the guy that got people into the rpm challenge or where people already doing it there?
[16:24] <holstein> knome: sorry... its beyong my skill to trouble shoot that right now
[16:24] <knome> scott-work, no, it's not in the repos yet :)
[16:24] <holstein> i get the same errors in presice
[16:24] <knome> weird.
[16:24] <holstein> and im *sure* its my own fault somehow
[16:25] <knome> neb
[16:26] <knome> err, wrong window
[16:28] <knome> holstein, http://temp.knome.fi/ubuntustudio/slideshow/shots/
[16:33] <scott-work> holstein: to run the test i actuall used a file manager and then right clicked the file and chose 'execute' for it to work
[16:34] <knome> that *should* be the same as double-clicking :)
[16:34] <knome> hmm.
[16:34] <knome> holstein, do you have zenity installed?
[16:35] <holstein> im sure i dont in debian
[16:35] <knome> but in precise vbox
[16:35] <holstein> i didnt check in precise, and i shutdown the VM
[16:35] <knome> that might be the reason it's not working
[16:35] <holstein> let me try firing it back up
[16:43] <holstein> well, it does have zentity :/
[16:45] <knome> then totally weird
[16:45] <knome> look at the shots then
[16:45] <knome> ;)
[16:46] <holstein> knome: looking good!
[16:50] <holstein> knome: thanks... i gotta run again... chec in later
[16:50] <holstein> ill check in later**
[20:14] <astraljava> scott-work: Hey, I've been way busy with my personal life issues for the past two weeks, so no progress on my tasks. I need to file an FFe for the ubiquity stuff (also for Xubuntu), but that shouldn't be a problem as they concern only those distinctive projects.
[20:15] <astraljava> scott-work: We still haven't decided on the LTS plan. What are we going to support, and for how long?
[20:15] <astraljava> scott-work: IMO this should be decided the latest this coming Sunday's meeting, and forwarded then to the Tech Board. But I'm not sure if I'm able to attend. Are you able to drive this matter?
[20:16] <astraljava> scott-work: If not, I'd say it's safe to say that Studio won't have an LTS release this time.
[20:17] <astraljava> Which isn't actually all that bad a choice anyway, as we don't have very strong understanding and experience on the Xfce basis, yet. But yeah, *shrug*. It's up to you, ultimately.
[20:18] <astraljava> But yeah, I'll continue with my tasks when I have time, probably next week from Tuesday onwards.
[20:34] <scott-work> astraljava: re: LTS - i actually meant to go ahead and send an email yesterday but work has been a bitch for a few weeks now and i forgot
[21:16] <len> knome: Those three slides look good.
[21:19] <len> The style will work just fine.
[21:51] <knome> len, thanks :)
[21:53] <knome> scott-work_, astraljava: fwiw, the xubuntu developers thought 3 years is a definite maximum for LTS, because it would take awfully lot of resources to support xfce any longer
[21:58] <micahg> well, that's due to upstream Xfce (last stable) and Debian (1 yr last stable)
[22:03] <knome> exactly :)
[22:19] <scott-work_> knome: to be honest, we can't do much for xfce stuff most likely and would utilize your efforts
[22:19] <scott-work_> so our efforts for LTS would be more aligned with ubuntu studio items
[22:19] <scott-work_> at least that's how it sorts in my head, probably kinda fuzzy though
[22:20] <knome> scott-work_, yeah, but you could be partly reassured that somebody's working on the xfce stuff
[22:20] <knome> scott-work_, and also, maybe not even think the 5 year LTS cycle, since xfce is not going to be supported that long
[22:22] <scott-work_> no, no...i saw your email about xubuntu doing 3yr TLS and i would planning on doing the same basically
[22:23] <knome> yeah
[22:31] <astraljava> scott-work_: knome: Even 3 years is a stretch, though, considering how good a commitment we've seen by our contributors (yes, me included).
[22:31] <knome> :)
[22:32] <astraljava> I don't have doubts regarding the Xfce parts, I'm worried about Studio-specific features.
[22:48] <scott-work_> TheMuso: have you seen the comments in revu?  http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/linux-lowlatency
[22:48] <scott-work_> TheMuso: also, it appears that in #ubuntu-release that apw agreed to review the kernel, at least according to infinity
[22:52] <scott-work_> TheMuso: oops, not in #ubuntu-release, the apw<->infinity discussion was in #ubuntu-devel
[23:13] <TheMuso> scott-work: Yes saw the comments, pulling the tree that Tim pointed to to have a look. I actually did try and do what infinity suggested, but couldn't get the package to build. Perhaps there is something in Tim's tree that fixes this, so waiting for that tree to clone now.
[23:14] <TheMuso> To be clear, I couldn't get the source package to build.