[00:03] <apachelogger> man this is rubbish -.-
[00:09] <Riddell> climb out the dustbin apachelogger 
[00:10]  * apachelogger closes browser then :P
[00:14]  * yofel done with DVD's
[00:15] <yofel> there are some testcases for the other images still to be done, but I need sleep, good night
[00:15] <Riddell> thanks yofel!
[00:19] <apachelogger> why the plymouth theme has that much code is really beyond me
[00:19] <apachelogger> why it uses en_GB is even more confusing
[00:20] <apachelogger>             password_dialogue.bullets[index].sprite.SetX (password_dialogue.bullets[index].x);
[00:23] <Riddell> written by a pedantic British English speaker like me?
[00:23] <Riddell> rbelem: kde-artwork-active has no upstream licence information, I've e-mailed upstream to ask what it is
[00:23] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[00:24]  * apachelogger will patch it in german then :P
[00:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: Austrian German I hope
[00:24] <apachelogger> can try
[00:25] <rbelem> Riddell, i just got two files with license info :-/
[00:26] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/423212/
[00:27] <apachelogger> also the get prefix stuff is even more silly in austrian german
[00:29] <apachelogger> Riddell, rbelem: any objections to removing the kubuntu logo from plymouth?
[00:30] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/20120110_002.mp4
[00:31] <apachelogger> like this
[00:33] <Riddell> rbelem: I know, it's an upstream bug
[00:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: why?
[00:36]  * Riddell puts the Ingo guy on moderation for his trolling on kubuntu-devel
[00:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: because it looks better
[00:37]  * rbelem downloads
[00:37] <apachelogger> unless sheytan makes us an industrialized version
[00:37] <apachelogger> that is monochrome with sort of embedded appearance
[00:38] <apachelogger> otherwise it looks like utter rubbish on the wallpaper
[00:38]  * apachelogger points out that it also didn't look to good on the previous gradient
[00:39] <Riddell> apachelogger: you think it looks bad to have a logo?
[00:39] <Riddell> even apple has a logo on boot
[00:39] <rbelem> apachelogger, just the dots?
[00:40] <rbelem> apachelogger, it looks nice, but i fell that something is missing
[00:40] <rbelem> feel
[00:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: no, I think it looks wrong in that alignment I am working on
[00:41] <apachelogger> as it does not integrate with the wallpaper
[00:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: and I do not think they have a logo
[00:41] <apachelogger> they only have a circular indicator
[00:41] <apachelogger> logo is only there when EFI starts
[00:42] <rbelem> apachelogger, i found the color really nice  and the dots position
[00:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: has sheytan given an opinion or is it just your idea?
[00:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: go ahead however you think best, I'm off to bed
[00:46]  * rbelem goes to feed my baby boy :-)
[00:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: we can always introduce a visually fitting version of the logo later, I do not generally dismiss the idea of having a logo there, just not the logo as-is
[00:56] <apachelogger> anyone knows why the kubuntu-text theme is in plymouth package and not kds?
[01:02] <apachelogger> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 9)
[01:02] <apachelogger> dpkg-buildpackage: warning: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.
[01:02] <apachelogger> anyone cares to explain why a package like kds requires dh9?!
[01:08] <Daviey> apachelogger: i think Multi Arch in Debian does.
[01:08] <apachelogger> but how does that affect kds? :O
[01:09] <apachelogger> changelog is super informative of course
[01:09] <apachelogger> <3
[01:09]  * apachelogger reboots
[01:09] <Daviey> NFI
[01:18] <apachelogger> !find nbib.h
[01:35] <apachelogger> can't load DistUpgradeViewKDE (coercing to Unicode: need string or buffer, tuple found)
[01:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: that doesn't sound good?
[01:51] <apachelogger> what is it with this language and being broken -.-
[01:54] <apachelogger> ok
[01:55] <apachelogger> you are gotta be fing kidding me
[01:55] <apachelogger> bug 881541
[01:55] <apachelogger> http://docs.python.org/library/tempfile.html
[01:55] <apachelogger> mkstemp() returns a tuple containing an OS-level handle to an open file (as would be returned by os.open()) and the absolute pathname of that file, in that order.
[01:55] <apachelogger>             shutil.copy(os.environ['XAUTHORITY'], copyXauth)
[01:55] <apachelogger> I am the touple in your string <3
[04:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: Package: /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-telepathy-text-ui_0.3.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[04:40] <apachelogger> Error: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/apps/ktelepathy/template.html', which is also in package telepathy-kde-text-ui 0.1.0+20111105-0~oneiric1
[08:10] <schnelle_> yofel: I sent mail to one of kmess devs asking for a new release. this is the responce:
[08:11] <schnelle_> "I'll try to make a release this weekend (probably on sunday).
[08:11] <schnelle_> The stable git hasn't changed much since the previous release, but
[08:11] <schnelle_> it's indeed better to have a release packaged.
[08:11] <schnelle_> Most of my development effort currently goes into KMess-Telepathy."
[08:33] <Riddell> oh apachelogger, did you break DistUpgradeViewKDE ?
[08:34] <Riddell> apachelogger: unicode errors are the bain of python 2, it's why we should move to python 3.  but it's not as bad as weird ARM casting errors like kdelibs/compiz is giving us in c++
[08:53] <bambee_> apachelogger: I know, I need to find time for that. actually, I've to finish some stuffs in phonon(vdo) and port it to meego + I need to recontribute to kubuntu :) ... mhhh...  did you look my code for userconfig/cpp ? it's better.. ?
[08:54] <bambee_> mhhh... however work on userconfig/cpp is a kind of contribution for kubuntu... 
[08:54] <bambee_> well
[08:54] <Riddell> userconfig/cpp is a port of userconfig to c++?
[08:54] <bambee_> yes it is
[08:54] <bambee_> actually it works only in "read-only"
[08:54] <bambee_> it's not finished yet
[08:54] <Riddell> bambee_: what's the hope to achieve?
[09:03] <bambee_> Riddell: 1)° get a faster userconfig module , 2)°  most of us know c++ better than python, it's easier to maintain it, 3)° there are some features proposed by kdelibs not binded in pykde4. (kconfig xt is a good example)
[09:06] <Riddell> bambee_: and do you hope to finally get it into kde sc?
[09:09] <bambee_> why not. For a beginning, I think that's better to get it working (completely working I mean) for kubuntu and then I could request an inclusion in kde on upstream :)
[09:09] <bambee_> so yes I do, but later :)
[09:09] <Riddell> good good :)
[09:11] <bambee_> it's a good idea to rethink userconfig in cpp.. ? what do you think ?
[09:11] <bambee_> I mean, everyone must give his opinion :)
[09:39] <Riddell> bambee_: oh sure whatever it takes to get it maintained and upstreamed
[09:39] <koolhead11> hi Riddell , idea sounds perfect :P
[09:40] <Riddell> koolhead11: have you tried it?
[09:40] <Ezim> hi guys/girls muon is not working correct.
[09:40] <Ezim> it gives error message, but apt-get update/apt-get upgrade from terminal works perfect.
[09:41] <Ezim> http://imgur.com/S9rS9
[09:41] <Ezim> same problem with muon 1.2.1 and also 1.2.3
[09:42] <Riddell> Ezim: file a bug, jon is usually responsive (if you file it in english with logs etc)
[09:43] <Ezim> Riddell, hmm, now with muon 1.2.3 2-3 time trying to update it works.
[09:44] <Ezim> let me se first what happens when I change from main server to swedish server in the repo
[09:48] <Ezim> okey now I understand the problem. the problem only happens first time changing from/to main server/local server in the repo
[09:50] <koolhead11> Riddell: i have not, but been following the news/story surrounding it :P
[09:51] <Riddell> koolhead11: the first step to packaging it if you think it's useful for ubuntu is to compile it and try it yourself to decide if it really is useful
[09:52] <koolhead11> okey. 
[09:54] <Ezim> Riddell, I will file a bug later today. now I must go to uni. have nice day.
[10:13] <Ezim> I file the bug now instead
[10:17] <Ezim> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/933366
[10:31] <Riddell> damn upgrading phonon packaging to 4.6 breaks multiarch
[10:33] <Ezim> Riddell, were do I report kernel bug?
[10:34] <yofel> schnelle_: if that has new features it'll need an FFE then, but I guess it's high priority and soon enough
[10:35]  * yofel wonders why his server crash this time
[10:35] <Riddell> Ezim: like every other bug, upstream or launchpad depending on how's at fault
[10:36] <yofel> kernel bugs usually on launchpad with 'ubuntu-bug linux' and wait for a response from the kernel team
[10:39] <Ezim> thx
[10:51] <Riddell> yofel: damn these new gcc errors are going to be a hassle
[10:51] <Riddell> digikam failed on "no matching function for call to 'qMin(qreal, double)'"
[10:51] <Riddell> sigh
[10:52] <yofel> fun
[10:53] <Ezim> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/933387
[10:53] <Ezim> two bugs report :) today.
[10:53] <Ezim> now I feel good
[10:54] <yofel> Riddell: hm, the armhf build log says: no matching function for call to 'qBound(double, qreal, qreal)
[10:54] <yofel> well, same issue
[10:56] <Riddell> yofel: yeah, I think it's that gcc has become more fussy recently
[10:57] <Riddell> so it needs worked out how to satisfy gcc
[10:57] <Riddell> when is the arm meeting?
[10:57] <yofel> well, IIRC arm has no double, so that should be s/double/qreal/
[10:58] <Riddell> just a qreal() around it maybe?
[10:58] <Riddell> so faffy to do this without an arm machine to test on
[10:58] <Riddell> I've not got mine set up yet and ScottK's are down I think so we'll only have the secret PPA I use to try it on
[10:59] <yofel> hm
[10:59] <yofel> I have my armel VM, but that'll need a day to build digikam
[10:59]  * yofel tries anyway
[11:03] <Ezim> guys you understand what I did file in?
[11:03] <yofel> Ezim: ?
[11:03] <Ezim> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/933387
[11:03] <Ezim> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/933366
[11:03] <yofel> Ezim: we're not talking about that
[11:04] <yofel> the muon bug will be looked at by Jonthechidna
[11:04] <Ezim> yofel, I know. Wanted to se if you guys can understand what i did write.
[11:05] <yofel> sounds understandable
[11:05] <yofel> Ezim: except muon
[11:05] <yofel> Ezim: can you run muon with 'LANG=C muon' from Konsole and try again?
[11:05] <yofel> so you get a screenshot in english
[11:06] <Ezim> yofel, oki.
[11:07] <Ezim> yofel, now it does not give message. :(
[11:07] <yofel> typical ^^
[11:08] <Ezim> yofel, seems running muon from terminal does not give any problem at all
[11:09] <yofel> well, what's the error in the first place, I can't read your screenshot
[11:10] <Ezim> it says it fails to download..
[11:11] <Ezim> does repos that are mentioned
[11:11] <yofel> ah, that looks more like a connection issue on your side
[11:11] <yofel> or unresponsive server
[11:12] <yofel> wouldn't be the first time
[11:12] <Ezim> yofel, sure? my connection here is perfect.
[11:12] <Ezim> sudo apt-get update/sudo apt-get upgrade does not give this error at all
[11:14] <Ezim> also running muon from terminal does not give any error message
[11:16] <debfx> apachelogger: so phonon-gst 4.5 is  incompatible with 4.6? will there be a release soon? should we package a snapshot?
[11:26] <tazz> is it a bad idea to include a meta-package as a dependency instead of individual packages?
[11:27] <peace_> :P
[11:28] <yofel> tazz: well, kde-full might be a bad idea. But boost for example has dev meta packages
[11:29] <tazz> right.
[11:30] <Riddell> debfx: are you looking at phonon?
[11:32] <debfx> ah there is a phonon-backend-gstreamer-4.6.0.tar.xz
[11:32] <debfx> Riddell: so yes
[11:40] <Riddell> debfx: I'm stuck on getting phonon 4.6 to build with the libraries going into multiarch dirs
[11:40] <Riddell> -DLIB_INSTALL_DIR doesn't seem to be enough now
[11:44] <yofel> Riddell: oxygen-gtk3 sets -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX_INITIALIZED_TO_DEFAULT=1 with debhelper 9, maybe try that?
[11:44]  * yofel isn't particulary good with mutliarch either
[11:45] <debfx> Riddell: oh you are already working on phonon?
[11:45] <debfx> yofel: I think that's oxygen-gtk specific (to read the libdir from libgtk pkg-config files)
[11:45] <yofel> ah
[11:45] <yofel> k
[11:47] <Riddell> debfx: well I was but now I'm stuck
[11:48] <yofel> bbl
[11:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: waa, what did you change in the phonon build system?!
[11:57] <debfx> Riddell: -DLIB_SUFFIX=/$(DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH) instead of the -DLIB_INSTALL_DIR
[11:58] <debfx> and also -DPHONON_INSTALL_QT_EXTENSIONS_INTO_SYSTEM_QT=ON
[11:58] <debfx> apachelogger: ^ why is that turned off by default?!!11
[12:00]  * Riddell tries
[12:01] <Riddell> debfx: genius!
[12:01] <Riddell> debfx: want me to finish off or are you onto it?
[12:11] <debfx> Riddell: I can do it if you want me to but I don't want to steal it from you ;)
[12:13] <debfx> so far I've only updated  the watch file
[12:15] <apachelogger> oh highlightmadness
[12:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 933225
[12:17] <apachelogger> bambee_: well, unless you want to fix the userconfig bugs on lp I'd say it is unmaintained ^^
[12:17] <apachelogger> debfx: yes, pgst 4.5 does not build with phonon 4.6
[12:18] <apachelogger> neither pvlc 0.4 for that matter
[12:18] <apachelogger> fortunately enough we uploaded new versions of both to ftpmaster >12 hours ago so you should be able to find them on a mirror near you :)
[12:18] <Riddell> debfx: I've got it mostly compiled here
[12:19] <Riddell> debfx: send me the watch file
[12:19] <Riddell> debfx: but I shouldn't upload if there's no gstreamer plugin right?
[12:29] <Ezim> hi guys. problem again. when I installed: sudo apt-get install cpufrequtils
[12:29] <Ezim> http://paste.ubuntu.com/844284/
[12:30] <apachelogger> !find p4-clockmod.ko
[12:31] <apachelogger> curious when I go there on -12 has the ko ^^
[12:32] <Tm_T> weller
[12:32] <Ezim> apachelogger, what should I do?
[12:33] <apachelogger> I dunno
[12:33] <apachelogger> Ezim: #kubuntu is for support, maybe they know :)
[12:34] <Ezim> apachelogger, np. tired of the kernel problem.
[12:35] <Ezim> ubuntu kernel team can manage to compile a kernel correct
[12:35] <Ezim> *cannot
[12:35] <apachelogger> it is not exactly trivial TBH
[12:37] <Ezim> apachelogger, it have also effected the boot time.
[12:37] <apachelogger> how can you tell?
[12:37] <Ezim> should never install that package even when I remove it the problem is there
[12:38] <Ezim> apachelogger, :) easy bootchart or taking time with cellphone
[12:38] <apachelogger> Ezim: timing with a cellphone is rather data to work with?!
[12:38] <apachelogger> s/rather/rather not/
[12:39] <Ezim> apachelogger, :) I can see and feel it is slower.
[12:39] <Ezim> I can show it with bootchart if thats needed
[12:39] <Ezim> problem is I have not used bootchart before the problem so you would not know
[12:40] <debfx> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/423338/
[12:40] <apachelogger> Ezim: then from where I am standing there is no boot time decrease :P
[12:40] <Ezim> apachelogger, :).
[12:40] <apachelogger> debfx: we do not do bz2 tars anymore
[12:40] <apachelogger> xz-exclusively
[12:40] <apachelogger> all of phonon
[12:40] <debfx> Riddell: there is a new gstreamer plugin. we should test them together before uploading.
[12:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how do you make ktp autoconnnect on start?
[12:43]  * apachelogger is too stupid
[12:44] <debfx> apachelogger: I hope the vlc plugin works with vlc 2.0
[12:45] <apachelogger> you know I am married to the president of videolan, right? :O
[12:47] <apachelogger> bug 933433
[12:47] <apachelogger> oh oh
[13:01] <apachelogger> debfx: there is one thing that is a problem with chromium by default.... CSD (happy guessing :P)
[13:06] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:07] <yofel> apachelogger: well, it doesn't look that bad
[13:14] <debfx> apachelogger: chrome specific dust?
[13:17] <Ezim> apachelogger, I think I know what to do. I did sudo touch /forcefsck and then looked to /var/log/boot.log
[13:17] <Ezim> it was only: FATAL: Error inserting p4_clockmod (/lib/modules/3.0.0-16-generic/kernel/drivers/cpufreq/p4-clockmod.ko): No such device
[13:17] <Ezim> my i only using: powernow-k8
[13:18] <Ezim> could I blacklist  p4_clockmod?
[13:23] <apachelogger> yofel: it breaks the paradigm + window shadow + upstream doesn't like it
[13:23] <apachelogger> debfx: yes, I think
[13:23] <apachelogger> oh no
[13:24] <apachelogger> client side deocrations or something
[13:24] <apachelogger> Ezim: I do not even know what you are doing and support still is in #kubuntu :P
[13:26] <debfx> apachelogger: who on earth uses client side decorations?
[13:27] <apachelogger> chromium users
[13:27] <apachelogger> particularly since it looks like rubbish if you do not
[13:30] <debfx> Riddell: are you pushing phonon to a ppa?
[13:36] <apachelogger> http://commits.kde.org/networkmanagement/a45346cf150624176c2942df6dd1441274a0d62f
[13:36] <apachelogger> someone might want to cherry pick this
[13:39] <debfx> apachelogger: you should cherry-pick that into the nm09 branch
[13:39] <apachelogger> good lawd
[13:40] <apachelogger> debfx: http://commits.kde.org/networkmanagement/7ef95f693d15535bd7e2312a8cfa4dc5f2767ea5
[13:51] <Kano> hi, where is the live-build config für kubuntu?
[13:53] <Kano> hi Riddell 
[13:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: I take it we still do not have enough space to put all wallpaper resolutions on the CD?
[14:00] <apachelogger> Kano: what is a live-build config?
[14:00] <Kano> i found it in livecd-rootfs
[14:00] <apachelogger> k
[14:01] <debfx> we currently have -9MB space for additional stuff
[14:02] <apachelogger> lets fill it up with wallies :P
[14:02] <apachelogger> I fear that scaling the background for plymouth may increase boot time on low spec machines a bit
[14:02] <BluesKaj> I'll ask here since ubuntu+1 seems rather busy atm , Hi folks , are there still some issues with upgrading from 10.04 to 12.04 LTS , there's a warning here from Feb3 , is this still relevant ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview/Alpha2
[14:03] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: upgrading is entirely broken right now
[14:03] <apachelogger> oh, actually
[14:03] <apachelogger> text based upgrade should work
[14:03] <apachelogger> gui is broken
[14:03] <BluesKaj> apachelogger,  thanks , i appreciate the quick response :)
[14:03] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: should work fine with text
[14:04]  * apachelogger upgraded 12 hours ago, upgrade went fine :)
[14:04] <BluesKaj> ok if he does the do-release-upgrade -d in the cli , it should be successful ?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> app ^
[14:05] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, ^
[14:05] <apachelogger> yup
[14:05] <BluesKaj> i've never done an LTS to LTS upgrade , is that the correct command?
[14:05] <apachelogger> yes
[14:06] <BluesKaj> ok thanks 
[14:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: not remotely enough space, we're 12MB over
[14:07] <apachelogger> we really need to get away from this stupid CD size
[14:08] <Riddell> it's a top candidate for +1 for sure
[14:08] <apachelogger> aye
[14:09] <apachelogger> oh
[14:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/423476/
[14:09] <apachelogger> ?
[14:10] <apachelogger> what is going on there
[14:10] <apachelogger> 29M     /usr/share/wallpapers/Ariya/contents/images
[14:10] <apachelogger> hrrhrr ^^
[14:10] <apachelogger> maybe I am doing it wrong
[14:12] <apachelogger> ah
[14:12] <apachelogger> kde-wallpapers-default ships only /usr/share/wallpapers/Ariya/contents/images/1920x1200.png 
[14:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think I can whip up code that avoids scaling when kde-wallpapers is installed then
[14:12]  * apachelogger approves the way this is packaged :D
[14:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, do we have a PPA with oxygen font yet?
[14:13] <apachelogger> I haven't talked to upstream yet, but perhaps that would also be something to look into for +1
[14:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: we do not but feel free to throw it into kubuntu-ppa/experimental or the like
[14:14] <apachelogger> will do
[14:14] <apachelogger> first plymouth though
[14:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes it is, I've been having long e-mails discussions with google and RMS and sladen about font licences and I need to update the KDE licence policy before I think about packaging
[14:14] <Riddell> but you can mostly avoid that
[14:16] <apachelogger> good enough for PPA ^^
[14:17]  * apachelogger makes coffee and ponders on how to make plymouth theme avoid scaling
[14:28] <Riddell> hmm lucid on USB stick won't boot for me
[14:29]  * Riddell wonders whether to blame the image, the USB stick, the netbook or something else
[14:41] <Riddell> debfx, apachelogger: hmm do I want files in this directlry? usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/phonon/PhononConfigVersion.cmake
[14:41] <apachelogger> yes
[14:41] <apachelogger> otherwise the backend won't be able to find libphonon
[14:42] <rbelem> Riddell, try erase the usb stick partition area three times
[14:42] <Riddell> rbelem: why three times?
[14:42] <rbelem> Riddell, to make sure it is erased :-D
[14:43] <rbelem> Riddell, the ideal is 25 times iirc
[14:43] <Riddell> gosh
[14:44] <rbelem> the gnupg file shereder does that
[14:44] <apachelogger> god do I hate X
[14:44] <schnelle> Riddell: IIRC something is changed after lucid so if you make lucid startup disk in oneiric it won't work. 
[14:44] <Riddell> schnelle: err hum
[14:45] <Riddell> schnelle: I can believe that but it means I need to find another way to make a startup disk (or give up, it's not that important)
[14:46] <schnelle> some option, sys somthing is added or removed after lucid iirc. i was linux/kubuntu noob back then so i don't remember exacly wat is was
[14:46] <schnelle> *what it was
[14:47] <schnelle> try with unetbootin :)
[14:47]  * yofel had a flash driver that he simply had to flash twice for it to boot
[14:47] <yofel> *drive
[14:48] <apachelogger> y b plymouth so crappy?
[14:49] <Riddell> rbelem's idea didn't help "unknown keyword in configuration file gfxboot"
[14:49] <Ezim> apachelogger, plymouth for me is kind of wierd. shutdown splash looks good. Like it should be, but upstart splash (plymouth) looks okey in resolution but not good like shutdown splash.
[14:50] <rbelem> Riddell, the problem is not the usb stick then
[14:51] <Ezim> Riddell, do you have problem booting up with liveusb? have you tried with different bootoption?
[14:52] <yofel> rbelem: I've seen bug reports with that error for other images
[14:52] <rbelem> Riddell, the problem seems to be in the image
[14:52] <yofel> see qa tracker
[14:52] <yofel> Riddell: ^
[14:53] <yofel> bug 645818
[14:54] <Riddell> 14:50 < jibel> Riddell, bug 645818 , nothing new or regressed in .4
[14:54] <Riddell> trying unetbootin for lack of any other workaround
[14:56]  * Mamarok switches to Precise
[15:01] <Riddell> 14:56 < jibel> at the 'boot:' prompt enter 'live' to boot to a live session or press 'TAB' to get a list of options
[15:05] <Ezim> Riddell, can it be that your usb stick format is not recognized?
[15:05] <Ezim> you can try format it with ext2/ext3/fat16
[15:05] <Ezim> I had similar problem long time ago
[15:08]  * apachelogger has no clue how to test plymouth without bricking his system
[15:08] <apachelogger> Ezim: sounds weird
[15:09] <apachelogger> particularly since it is only a gradient so I'd guess that the driver reports a bogus resolution
[15:09] <Ezim> apachelogger, :) only weird things happens to me this days.
[15:10] <Riddell> Ezim: it's bug 645818
[15:10] <Riddell> apachelogger: virtualbox
[15:11] <apachelogger> yeha, downloading image right now
[15:11] <apachelogger> but I thought one was able to test it on the live system
[15:11] <Ezim> Riddell, okey.
[15:11] <apachelogger> which is interestingly not the case
[15:11] <apachelogger> well
[15:11] <apachelogger> it does not work anyway
[15:12]  * apachelogger actually like to rewrite the enitre script to be perfectly honest
[15:12] <apachelogger> that thing is nothing but weird
[15:12] <apachelogger> fun StringString(string, substring) {
[15:12] <apachelogger> in a javascript-esque language!
[15:12] <Ezim> apachelogger, was usplash not better then plymouth?
[15:12] <apachelogger> defines by what attribute you judge better :P
[15:13] <Ezim> apachelogger, :).
[15:13] <apachelogger> s/defines by/depends by/
[15:13] <kubotu> apachelogger meant: "depends by what attribute you judge better :P"
[15:13] <apachelogger> or depends on
[15:13]  * apachelogger is confused now
[15:13] <apachelogger> StringString(apachelogger, log)
[15:13] <apachelogger> <3
[15:17] <Riddell> >start-pulseaudio-kde 
[15:17] <Riddell> Failure: Module initalisation failed
[15:18] <Riddell> anyone else getting that?
[15:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: in xession?
[15:18] <Ezim> Riddell, yes, same here.
[15:18] <apachelogger> s/xession/.xessoin-errors/
[15:18] <kubotu> apachelogger meant: "Riddell: in .xessoin-errors?"
[15:18] <apachelogger> more typos
[15:19] <Ezim> Riddell, what does that mean, that pulseaudio does not work correctly?
[15:20] <apachelogger> it means that the kde hardware listing module could not be initialized
[15:20] <apachelogger> which is normal if you run that binary on an already initialized pulseaudio
[15:20] <apachelogger> hence my question if that appears in the .xsession-errors file or when you run it manually
[15:20] <Ezim> apachelogger, okey. will take look.
[15:20] <apachelogger> if you run it manually that is obviously a true failure :P
[15:21] <apachelogger> you cannot initialize the module twice ^^
[15:24] <Ezim> apachelogger, no I have not. but this was weird: kded(1511): The kded module name ' "muon-notifier" ' is invalid! 
[15:25] <apachelogger> !find muon-notifier.desktop
[15:25] <apachelogger> Ezim: do you have that package installed?
[15:26] <Ezim> apachelogger, yes.
[15:26] <Riddell> Ezim: yes pulseaudio breakage
[15:26] <Ezim> :( to many breakage for me today. 
[15:31] <Ezim> hmm battery-widget should it not have performance etc in 4.8.0?
[16:01] <rbelem> Riddell, when feature freeze takes effect?
[16:02] <Riddell> rbelem: when skaet starts giving us evil stares which will be in about 5 hours
[16:02] <Riddell> rbelem: what are you hoping to get in?
[16:03] <rbelem> Riddell, startactive and declarative-plasmoids
[16:03] <rbelem> :-)
[16:05] <rbelem> Riddell, i will try to finish them in next hours
[16:07] <Riddell> thanks rbelem 
[16:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's wrong here? http://paste.kde.org/423572/
[16:19] <Riddell> phonon 4.6 works fine, add phonon-gstreamer 4.6 and amarok gives me that
[16:31] <Riddell> oh the file is in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/kde4/plugins/phonon_backend/phonon_gstreamer.so  but should be in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/plugins/phonon_backend/
[16:32] <Riddell> hum
[16:32] <BluesKaj> rbelem,  what does a feature freeze actually mean ?
[16:32] <Riddell> look on the wiki
[16:36] <BluesKaj> No search result found for ubuntu feature freeze , in the wiki search
[16:36] <BluesKaj> nm , I'll do some more looking
[16:40] <mikecb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze
[16:45] <BluesKaj> mikecb,  yeah , thanks i managed to find it from my wiki.ubuntu bookmark 
[16:45] <mikecb> :D
[16:46] <mikecb> I cheated, used the google.
[16:51] <BluesKaj> I should know better anyway, mikecb ...these devs are obviously very busy today :)
[16:52] <mikecb> meh, all these things are easy to know generally, but each project might have a very specific criteria or process.
[17:08] <Riddell> rbelem: active artwork should be sorted for licencing, can you remake the package?
[17:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: no
[17:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: no what?
[17:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: the qt4 stuff should symlink to kde4
[17:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: also kde apps should search in kde4/plugins over qt4/plugins
[17:49] <apachelogger> so I guess something is off with kdelibs in precise
[17:49] <Riddell> yes I guess something is off
[17:50] <rbelem> Riddell, oki :-)
[17:51]  * apachelogger almost fell asleep again
[17:52] <apachelogger> yesterday I almost napped through a meeting
[17:52]  * apachelogger is pulling too many rodrigos recently
[17:56] <apachelogger> oooo
[17:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/16/plasma-desktopU11513.png
[17:56] <apachelogger> ubiquity background link wrong?
[17:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[17:59] <apachelogger> ubiquity/frontend/kde_ui.py:        self.bgImage = QtGui.QImage("/usr/share/wallpapers/kde-default.png")
[17:59] <apachelogger> is that the one?
[18:00] <apachelogger> !find kde-default.pn
[18:00] <apachelogger> !find kde-default.png
[18:00] <rbelem> Riddell, i just uploaded to kubuntu-active ppa
[18:02] <apachelogger> hm
[18:02] <apachelogger> >>> dpkg -S kde-default.png
[18:02] <apachelogger> kde-wallpapers-default: /usr/share/wallpapers/kde-default.png
[18:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: I do not compute why it does not work TBH
[18:04] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/16/plasma-desktopg11513.png
[18:04] <apachelogger> and where is stripes coming from
[18:04] <apachelogger> oh boy
[18:04] <apachelogger> kde-workspace-data: /usr/share/wallpapers/stripes.png
[18:04] <apachelogger> kde-workspace-data: /usr/share/wallpapers/stripes.png.desktop
[18:04] <apachelogger> what uses that?
[18:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: I don't know I'm afraid
[18:05] <yofel> why is that even in workspace o.O
[18:05] <apachelogger> there I just wanted to test my plymouth code and end up fixing ubiquity ^^
[18:05] <apachelogger> I blame someone involved with plasma active
[18:06] <apachelogger> ./kdm/kfrontend/genkdmconf.c:"Wallpaper=stripes.png\n"
[18:06] <apachelogger> ./kdm/kfrontend/pics/stripes.png.desktop:File=stripes.png
[18:06] <apachelogger> ./kdm/kfrontend/pics/CMakeLists.txt:install( FILES stripes.png stripes.png.desktop  DESTINATION ${WALLPAPER_INSTALL_DIR} )
[18:06] <apachelogger> wth?
[18:07] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/16/plasma-desktopy11513.png
[18:07] <apachelogger> anyone got time to fix the screenshot?
[18:07] <Riddell> koolhead17: ubuntu@ec2-107-21-186-224.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[18:08] <apachelogger> yofel: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/16/plasma-desktopH11513.png
[18:08] <apachelogger> that is why
[18:08] <apachelogger> I totally do not get this
[18:08] <yofel> wow
[18:08] <apachelogger> royally screwed
[18:09] <apachelogger> yofel: do you have time to patch it away?
[18:09] <apachelogger> puts off my karma
[18:09] <yofel> can do
[18:09] <apachelogger> that file has only one resolution and is shown in plasma
[18:09] <apachelogger> thus offering more failed wallpaper quality
[18:10] <yofel> the list on the background selection page is fooey too
[18:11] <yofel> offers: albatross, bluebird, kde-default (being horos for some reason here), stripes (twice)
[18:11] <apachelogger> screw that feature
[18:12] <apachelogger> if people start messing with that they can live with crappy listing :P
[18:12] <yofel> If I remove stripes.png it shows a blue screen in the preview. OK IMO
[18:13] <Riddell> rbelem: kde-artwork-active uploaded
[18:13] <rbelem> thx Riddell :-D
[18:13] <yofel> er, huh?
[18:13] <yofel> why is that even isntalled?
[18:14] <yofel> kubuntu_kdmrc_defaults.diff:
[18:14] <yofel> -install( FILES stripes.png stripes.png.desktop  DESTINATION ${WALLPAPER_INSTALL_DIR} )
[18:14] <yofel> +#install( FILES stripes.png stripes.png.desktop  DESTINATION ${WALLPAPER_INSTALL_DIR} )
[18:15] <yofel> why do we have 2 kubuntu kdmrc patches @_@
[18:15] <apachelogger> yofel: just change it to the full path of kde-default
[18:15] <apachelogger> /usr/share/wallpapers/kde-default.png
[18:15] <Riddell> because we rename and adapt the debian one and depending on the merge we might rename it differently?
[18:15] <apachelogger> actually I wonder why that does not show up in plasma
[18:16] <apachelogger> AHHHHHH
[18:16] <apachelogger> yofel: that link needs updating
[18:16] <apachelogger> that is why you get horos on that 
[18:16] <apachelogger> and its why the wally in ubiquity is broken
[18:16] <yofel> oh, fixing
[18:16] <yofel> also, the used kdmrc patch isn't even completely correct
[18:16] <apachelogger> ok
[18:16]  * yofel fixes more
[18:17] <apachelogger> we need to do something about this
[18:17] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/16/plasma-desktopA11513.png
[18:17] <apachelogger> now I have 3
[18:18] <apachelogger> this needs a more global resolution
[18:19]  * apachelogger files a bug
[18:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you drop kopete from the CD?
[18:20] <ScottK> apachelogger: He did.
[18:20] <apachelogger> can we please revert this? :P
[18:20]  * apachelogger has a broken entry in kickoff now
[18:22] <apachelogger> when someone sees sheytan please tell him that we need a new ubiquity design
[18:22] <apachelogger> the old slidshow does not go with ariya at all
[18:24] <apachelogger> didn't he actually have some new artwork or something forever ago and maco2 did not integrate it or something? :P
[18:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes (for now)
[18:24] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/16/plasma-desktopK12928.png
[18:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer: 18:24 < mterry> Riddell, ktp-common-internals needs some symbol tightening, FYI.  Commented in the bug
[18:25] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-wallpapers] Philip Muškovac * 25 * debian/ (changelog kde-wallpapers-default.links) Switch kde-default.png link from Horos to Ariya
[18:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: 18:28 < mterry> Riddell, and a minor bug with ktp-presence-applet, comment in bug
[18:34] <koolhead17> guys am trying this https://github.com/dragotin/mirall
[18:34] <koolhead17> deps require qt4.7
[18:34] <koolhead17> any pointer how/ways i can get it working in order to get mirall compiled?
[18:44] <yofel> koolhead17: you don't have libqt4-dev installed
[18:44] <koolhead17> yofel: i dont think so. am trying it on aws. am installing the pkg u msged :)
[18:44] <koolhead17> told
[18:45] <yofel> hm, compiled fine here on precise
[18:45] <koolhead17> yofel: am on precious as well
[18:45] <yofel> koolhead17: can you pastebin what cmake tells you?
[18:46] <koolhead17> 1 min
[18:47] <koolhead17> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/844769/
[18:48] <koolhead17> i installed libqt4-dev
[18:48] <yofel> koolhead17: where are you right now?
[18:48] <ScottK> Right above you on my IRC scrollback.
[18:49] <koolhead17> yofel: on cloud!! :P
[18:49] <yofel> lol
[18:49] <yofel> koolhead17: no, I mean in what folder is your prompt ^^
[18:49] <apachelogger> o(w)n cloud
[18:49] <apachelogger> harrrhararrr
[18:50] <koolhead17> yofel: /home/ubuntu/mirall/build
[18:50] <koolhead17> i created the directory
[18:50] <yofel> ...
[18:50] <koolhead17> apachelogger: :P
[18:50] <koolhead17> yofel: am new in the field sir!! :)
[18:51] <yofel> hm, looks right, but then that should be failing o.O
[18:51] <yofel> *shouldn't
[18:51] <yofel> failday
[18:51] <yofel> koolhead17: and the  /home/ubuntu/mirall/CMakeLists.txt is really there?
[18:52] <CIA-42> [kubuntu-default-settings] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20120216185208-zhwfl08juh6hu1x4 * (5 files in 2 dirs) wip New theme
[18:52]  * apachelogger finds bzr really inconvenient most of the time
[18:52] <koolhead17> yofel: yeah
[18:52]  * yofel is clueless
[18:53] <yofel> maybe wipe the build directory clean and try again
[18:53] <apachelogger> d__ed: ping... how does the educated user make ktp autoconnect on startup?
[18:53] <schnelle> guys we should ask some artists to make some beautiful theme for kubuntu. i am using new chakra theme and it is stunning. Plus diskrete chakra brending on logout dialogs etc. Just stunnig
[18:53] <yofel> koolhead17: this is what you should get: http://paste.kde.org/423662
[18:55] <apachelogger> d__ed: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/16/plasma-desktopF12928.png
[18:55] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace] Philip Muškovac * 616 * debian/ (changelog patches/kdmrc_defaults_kubuntu.diff) * kdmrc_defaults_kubuntu.diff: - fix xsessions directories - don't install and use stripes.png in kdm background settings
[18:56] <yofel> regression fixed
[18:56] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace] Philip Muškovac * 617 * debian/patches/kubuntu_kdmrc_defaults.diff drop obsolete patch
[18:56] <apachelogger> yofel++
[18:57] <apachelogger> d__ed: now it keeps spamming me that it cant connect :(
[19:00] <koolhead17> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/844793/ 
[19:05] <yofel> scp copies the full folder contents?
[19:05]  * yofel never uses scp
[19:05] <BluesKaj> scp -r
[19:05] <yofel> ah, good
[19:06] <koolhead17> BluesKaj: thats w00t i used :)
[19:07] <koolhead17> yofel: any other okg i should install?
[19:07] <yofel> no, that should be enough - I think
[19:07] <yofel> maybe build-essential
[19:08] <BluesKaj> scp -r /pathtofolder user@targetpc:/path to folder
[19:09] <debfx> Riddell: what's the status of the phonon packages?
[19:09] <Riddell> cd
[19:09] <Riddell> tsk
[19:09] <Riddell> debfx: in ~jr PPA
[19:09] <Riddell> needing testing if built
[19:12]  * BluesKaj wonders if he can run alsa with flash webaudio on  pci audio without pulseaudio like i can with my elcheapo onboard soundcard
[19:13] <BluesKaj> oops bad case choices ther e
[19:14] <BluesKaj> my pci maudio card sound so much better tho ..even with a second layer of processing 
[19:15] <debfx> I think it's too late when the ppa manages to build them
[19:16] <debfx> Riddell: I don't think we need to install backends into the kde dir
[19:16] <debfx> doesn't PLUGIN_INSTALL_DIR work anymore?
[19:18] <Riddell> debfx: yeah well apachelogger says we do
[19:18] <Riddell> (and I'm feeling grumpy today, grumpy grump)
[19:21]  * apachelogger hugs Riddell
[19:21] <apachelogger> debfx: phonon plugins always have been in kde's dir :P
[19:21] <apachelogger> though qt should work too
[19:21] <debfx> apachelogger: not in debian and ubuntu
[19:22] <apachelogger> you are doing it wrong then :P
[19:22]  * apachelogger can be a snob upstream now \\o/
[19:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, plymouth-x11 allows testing in a running session :)
[19:23] <debfx> apachelogger: what's the point in installing them into the kde dir? phonon doesn't ahve any kde dependencies, right?
[19:24] <apachelogger> debfx: no, but otherwise it'd conflict with the qt ones :P
[19:25] <koolhead17> yofel: you were correct :)
[19:26] <debfx> so since we don't build the qt phonon copy we're doing it the right way
[19:26] <Riddell> debfx: does it work for you?
[19:27] <apachelogger> debfx: grey area :)
[19:27] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/16/plasma-desktopz12928.png
[19:27] <apachelogger> plymouth should be redone in qml
[19:27] <Riddell> testers needed for Kubuntu Alternate i386 in Lucid 10.04.4  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/207/builds/11918/testcases
[19:27] <debfx> Riddell: I haven't tested with 4.6 but that's where the backends always were in kubuntu
[19:27] <Riddell> I can't do Install (auto-resize)
[19:27] <apachelogger> you cannot convert an integer to string out of the box
[19:27] <apachelogger> silly thing
[19:28] <apachelogger> qtscript ftw
[19:28] <Riddell> debfx: can you test amd64 packages?
[19:29] <apachelogger> oh
[19:29] <apachelogger> nvm
[19:29] <apachelogger> I am thinking too complicated
[19:29] <debfx> Riddell: phonon ftbfs in your ppa
[19:30] <Riddell> damn
[19:30] <Riddell> debfx: can you take over?
[19:36] <debfx> Riddell: sure
[19:37] <Riddell> thanks debfx 
[19:46]  * apachelogger misses sheytan :(
[19:46] <apachelogger> and whatever happened to Quintasan?
[19:52] <TorpedoSkyline> apachelogger: who's sheytan?
[19:53] <apachelogger> the mighty overlord of kubuntu artwork
[19:53] <TorpedoSkyline> apachelogger: where did he go?
[19:53] <apachelogger> dunno, probably busy with life
[19:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: I guess you wouldn't like it if I were to rewrite our plymouth script before LTS?
[20:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: you have 1 hour
[20:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, ui freeze is next week
[20:01] <Riddell> FF is 1 hour
[20:01]  * Riddell busy
[20:02]  * apachelogger wouldn't think that is a feature :)
[20:02] <apachelogger> also I am not sure I want myself rewriting it at this point ^^
[20:02] <Riddell> code rewrites are
[20:03] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/16/plasma-desktopE12928.png
[20:03] <apachelogger> d__ed: you here now?
[20:21] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/16/plasma-desktopT12928.png what do ye think?
[20:24] <mterry> Hello!  I'm working on getting the kde-telepathy stack into Ubuntu.  Can the stack can work OK without kde-telepathy-auth-handler installed?
[20:25] <apachelogger> mterry: we already have the stack in ubuntu
[20:25] <apachelogger> !info kde-telepathy precise
[20:26] <mterry> apachelogger, sorry, into main.  I just reviewed the stack for MIR, but the auth-handler needs a security review, which won't make it for FF.  So I'm trying to get the rest of the stack in now
[20:26] <mterry> auth-handler can come in as an FFe
[20:26] <Riddell> d__ed: ^^
[20:27] <mterry> Riddell, (also, seed changes need to be made once this is done?)
[20:28] <Riddell> mterry: they're already done and it's already in main (because I'm cheeky and not in a mood to be restrained alas)
[20:28] <Riddell> it would be cool if it can stay there but if not I'm happy to accept that too
[20:29] <mterry> Riddell, ah, I didn't notice :)
[20:29] <debfx> apachelogger: please fix the rpath handling in phonon, many kittens already died because of that
[20:30] <apachelogger> needs fixing in kdelibs
[20:30] <mterry> Riddell, people that file a stack of MIRs a day before FF don't get to complain about being restrained  :)  Not that as a core-dev you haven't found ways around it
[20:31] <Riddell> mterry: oh I'm not complaining, it is my brain injury that means I'm in a bad mood way too easily, please don't be put off by me
[20:32] <mterry> Riddell, yar, I'm not put off.  Glad to do the MIRs!
[20:33] <mterry> Riddell, so kopete can be demoted in favor?  neat
[20:33] <Riddell> mterry: my hope is we can demote kopete yes
[20:33] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/16/plasma-desktopB16193.png
[20:33] <apachelogger> ok, I am rubbish with graphics
[20:33] <apachelogger> someone get me an artist pretty please :S
[20:34] <Riddell> mterry: kde-telepathy is new so it might not be good enough I know but it is good enough for me, we're still discussing
[20:34] <debfx> apachelogger: everything else seems to have proper rpath handling. currently you set the rpath unconditionally to "lib${LIB_SUFFIX}" which is hardly a valid rpath.
[20:34] <mterry> Riddell, ACK
[20:35] <apachelogger> debfx: I shurg ... the only patch I saw was code we stole from kdelibs
[20:35] <apachelogger> s/was/was changing/
[20:35] <kubotu> apachelogger meant: "debfx: I shurg ... the only patch I saw was changing code we stole from kdelibs"
[20:36] <debfx> apachelogger: at least put a ${CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/ in front of that
[20:36] <apachelogger> debfx: seriously talk to kde-buildsystem
[20:36]  * apachelogger is not going to change cmake stuff again
[20:37] <apachelogger> last time I did I got a beating and broken compatibility from phonon 4.6 backwards
[20:41] <debfx> well you can hardly break it more than it is right now
[20:50] <apachelogger> -rw-r--r--  1 root root  51M Feb 16 21:47 initrd.img-3.2.0-16-generic
[20:50] <apachelogger> !~!#!
[20:50] <apachelogger> I lol'd
[21:41] <charlie-tca> Mandatory Kubuntu Alternate 386 tests are done, starting the one-time tests
[21:41] <apachelogger> kubotu: order cookie for charlie-tca
[21:41]  * kubotu slides one of world's finest cookies down the bar to charlie-tca.
[21:41] <charlie-tca> Still need someone to run the wubi install on the Kubuntu Desktop 386, if anyone is available.
[21:41] <charlie-tca> Thanks, apachelogger 
[21:42] <apachelogger> thank you!
[21:43] <charlie-tca> Too many days that I can not do anything; I just try to help when I am able to.
[23:00] <skaet> apachelogger, charlie-tca, Riddell, yofel, and others who've been helping test the kubuntu images....     10.04.4 images are released now.   Thanks for testing them and checking they were good to send out,  they wouldn't have been released without your help.
[23:00] <charlie-tca> you are welcome; running the final test (expert install) now
[23:26] <charlie-tca> finished the 10.04.4 tests. Everything except wubi got done
[23:28] <skaet> charlie-tca, great.   Thank you.   
[23:28] <ScottK> charlie-tca: Thank you very much.
[23:28] <charlie-tca> You are welcome