[01:16] <Canadian1296> Ubottu told me to ask here for a ubuntu cloak… I already have an account registered with NickServ
[01:17] <Canadian1296> I wasn't trying to send a message to Ubottu, can anyone help?
[02:05] <Canadian1296> I currently have a generic freenode cloak. May I please have a Ubuntu cloak instead?
[02:05] <EvilResistance> Canadian1296, if i'm not mistaken, Ubuntu cloaks are reserved for Ubuntu members...
[02:06] <Canadian1296> Meaning?
[02:06] <EvilResistance> !member
[02:06] <EvilResistance> ^ that
[02:06] <Canadian1296> EvilResistance: Okay, thanks anyways :)
[02:06] <EvilResistance> i'm not the IRC team, though, if there's other methods for an ubuntu cloak they'd know
[02:07] <EvilResistance> i'm only aware of the members status getting you a cloak (there's probably others)
[02:08] <Canadian1296> EvilResistance: Okay, I'm reading the membership article in the wiki now
[02:26] <pangolin> EvilResistance: The only way of getting a Ubuntu member cloak is describe in that link.
[02:27] <pangolin> described*
[02:27] <EvilResistance> pangolin, indeed.  i was curious about the other cloaks, becuase the person that asked is asking for an "ubuntu cloak" not necessarily a member cloak, hence why i said "I'm not the IRC team"
[02:27] <EvilResistance> :P
[02:28] <Unit193> Member of Kubuntu, DMB, IRC, RMB...
[02:28] <pangolin> there are no other "ubuntu cloaks", you either are a member or you aren't.
[02:28] <EvilResistance> thats what i thought :P
[02:28] <EvilResistance> pangolin, ^
[02:29] <pangolin> there are different membership boards as Unit193 pointed out.
[02:29] <pangolin> but they all get you the same thing
[02:29] <Unit193> But all leading to membership nonetheless.
[12:23] <jussi> pangolin: actually, thats not strictly true... we have bot cloaks also :P
[18:47] <pangolin> #ubuntu-bugs is missing a bot
[18:47] <pangolin> charlie-tca: which bot is missing?
[18:48] <charlie-tca> The one that gives us the bug info, but I don't know the name of the bot
[18:49] <charlie-tca> bug numbers won't give back a link yesterday and today
[18:51] <charlie-tca> pangolin: should it be ubottu? I haven't been around enough to keep track of what is happening with them. It used to be ubot2, I think
[18:52] <pangolin> probably best to wait for one of the IRCC to figure it out, maybe jussi knows?
[18:53] <charlie-tca> Okay
[18:53] <jussi> you all really should look at the bots page on the wiki occaisionally :)
[18:54] <charlie-tca> Can't even remember the webpage.
[18:54] <jussi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots
[18:54] <charlie-tca> but if it will get the bot back in #ubuntu-bugs, I will go find it
[18:55] <jussi> ubot2 -> Team channels A-L
[18:55] <jussi> so go bug jpds
[18:55] <charlie-tca> Okay, thanks
[18:56] <EvilResistance> question about that page jussi, if one runs a bot for a LoCo team's channel, does the IRC team need to update that page, or can the bot owner update that page with the relevant bot information?
[18:56] <jussi> EvilResistance: its a wiki, go do it already ;)
[18:56] <EvilResistance> :P
[18:58] <pangolin> jussi: sorry :( but you know everything so I tend to default to "Ask jussi"
[18:58] <charlie-tca> I am most grateful for jussi knowing everything, too!
[18:58] <pangolin> see :)
[18:59] <pangolin> charlie-tca: we should setup a askjussi.com
[18:59] <pangolin> hehe
[18:59] <charlie-tca> heh, that would be a busy site
[19:01] <pangolin> we could pay jussi 1 penny per answer (helpful answers) and make a fortune!!!
[19:01] <EvilResistance> lol
[19:02] <jussi> meh. Id end up with about 2 pence
[19:02] <jussi> unless every question was, "if you arent a finn, why is your name jussi?"
[19:02] <pangolin> it would require jussi relocates to Brazil
[19:02] <pangolin> why brazil you ask? because umm why not :)
[19:04] <charlie-tca> I see no problem with that
[19:06] <charlie-tca> at least Brazil is warm :-)
[19:08] <jussi> warmth? yök!!
[19:30] <EvilResistance> o.O
[19:30] <EvilResistance> i hit "save changes" after previewing, and a 500 error triggered o.O
[20:32] <Myrtti> what are you using to generate the statistics, EvilResistance?
[20:32] <Myrtti> mircstats or pisg?
[20:33] <EvilResistance> Myrtti:  generic supybot ChannelStats plugin
[20:33] <Myrtti> interesting
[20:33] <EvilResistance> Myrtti:  it doesnt actually hit any web-page like logging
[20:33] <AlanBell> ooh another volunteer :)
[20:33] <AlanBell> EvilResistance: so can you get it to scrape logs from irclogs.ubuntu.com instead?
[20:34] <EvilResistance> AlanBell:  that'd be a lot harder... not without about 85 hours of plugin dev, unless one of you can find a plugin that does that
[20:34] <EvilResistance> AlanBell:  my main concern is less the stats, more the private logging
[20:34] <popey> why do you need private logging of #ubuntu when we already publicly log it?
[20:34] <EvilResistance> because my ZNC has officially become unreliable for scrollbacks in #ubuntu
[20:36] <popey> I mean, I can understand why ops need instant backscroll of #ubuntu, but don't quite fathom why anyone else does.
[20:36] <AlanBell> got an example of the stats output EvilResistance?
[20:36] <EvilResistance> AlanBell:  one sec
[20:37] <EvilResistance> AlanBell:  the exact same module, loaded in #ubuntu-us-pa (but allows in-channel requesting, which is not allowed in evidence):
 @channelstats
[20:37] <EvilResistance> <PennBot> EvilResistance: On # there have been 358 messages, containing 11312 characters, 1921 words, 5 smileys, and 11 frowns; 11 of those messages were ACTIONs.  There have been 17 joins, 4 parts, 0 quits, 0 kicks, 3 mode changes, and 1 topic change.
[20:37] <EvilResistance> blah, hang on
[20:37] <AlanBell> Sebastien made an almost identical request a day or two ago to have a bot to make these kind of stats http://chanstats.x10.mx/ubuntu.freenode.html
[20:37] <EvilResistance> oops
[20:37] <EvilResistance> one sec.
[20:38] <EvilResistance> AlanBell:  this is a better example:
[20:38] <EvilResistance> <@EvilResistance> @channelstats
[20:38] <EvilResistance> <@TheMightyKahless> EvilResistance: On #trekweb there have been 2 messages, containing 0 characters, 0 words, 0 smileys, and 0 frowns; 0 of those messages were ACTIONs.  There have been 1 join, 0 parts, 2 quits, 0 kicks, 1 mode change, and 0 topic changes.
[20:38] <AlanBell> I think we probably could have a regular stream of people asking for read-only bots sitting in ubuntu making channel stats
[20:38] <EvilResistance> that's from the identical module in #trekweb
[20:38] <EvilResistance> (i have a glitch in PennBot which uses shared-channel modules, i'm in the process of fixing it)
[20:39] <AlanBell> oh, so you are not generating graphical statistical summaries?
[20:39] <EvilResistance> negative
[20:39] <EvilResistance> only on-demand textual descriptors
[20:39] <EvilResistance> absolutely no graphical stats summaries
[20:39] <AlanBell> so it is totally fine for you to make private logs from your client, or use an irssi+screen proxy that logs etc
[20:41] <EvilResistance> alright (if i have to i'll do that, but irssi has a horrible notorious crappy-logging-to-file system)
[20:41] <AlanBell> for people wanting to use the data for statistical purposes I would kind of rather they were pointing at the public logs on irclogs.ubuntu.com
[20:41] <AlanBell> otherwise your stats will be skewed by about 30 different stats bots stat in the channel!
[20:43] <Sebastien> Update Available at: http://chanstats.x10.mx/ubuntu-irc.freenode.html
[20:43] <Sebastien> :)
[20:43] <Unit193> EvilResistance: Actually, it's quite good and the official log bot for ubuntu is irssi.
[20:44] <AlanBell> so I don't think anyone minds you putting in a silent bot and I do appreciate you asking, but what I really want is a bunch of folk to get together in #ubuntu-bots-team to build something that will generate awesome stats for all our logged channels going back to 2004
[20:44] <EvilResistance> AlanBell:  hehe, i hear you.  i dont have a solution for that, unfortunately.  But if i come up wiht one, expect me to say "eureka!" in here or something :P
[20:45] <EvilResistance> AlanBell:  i dont think a plugin would do that though, i think you'd have to develop a parser script or something, and that can be tricky if you have tons of logs (which #ubuntu does have)
[20:45] <AlanBell> !info pisg
[20:46] <AlanBell> ^^ that plus some scripts to slowly scrape the logs would be great
[20:46] <AlanBell> plus some whizzy modern css to make it look lovely
[20:46] <EvilResistance> hehe
[20:46] <Tm_T> pisg is that which runs ages for stats?
[20:47] <Tm_T> compared to just few seconds
[20:47] <AlanBell> and not just #ubuntu, all of these: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/02/16/
[20:47] <EvilResistance> AlanBell:  i'll take a look in the next, say, 4 months :P
[20:47] <AlanBell> Tm_T: a few seconds for what?
[20:48] <Tm_T> AlanBell: I mean time used for generating the statistics
[20:48] <EvilResistance> AlanBell:  in the mean time, is there any objection to me putting the silent bot into #ubuntu, or do you guys want to deliberate more?
[20:48] <AlanBell> EvilResistance: no objection, does it have a cloak?
[20:49] <EvilResistance> AlanBell:  yeah, its sharing the cloak that pennbot has (otherwise i'd have more-than-one bot account that isnt affiliated with a specific group), unaffiliated/resistance/bot/pennbot
[20:49] <AlanBell> ideally can you put something visible in /whois that links it back to you
[20:49] <AlanBell> that will do
[20:49] <EvilResistance> * [evidence] (~evidence@unaffiliated/resistance/bot/pennbot): Evidence - Stats / Log bot for Resistance   <--  ?
[20:49] <EvilResistance> erm
[20:49] <AlanBell> fine
[20:49] <EvilResistance> minus the log part
[20:50] <EvilResistance> i have to reconnect it to fix that ;p
[20:55] <EvilResistance> AlanBell:  its sitting there now, thanks again/
[20:55] <EvilResistance> :)