[00:43] !pm > jhfjhgfjhgf [00:48] good night folks [03:14] but the phone came with a dumbed down version of ubuntu [03:14] ubuntu is on phones now? [05:58] bazhang: I suspect that was android [05:59] Tm_T, ah ok [06:00] ubuntu = linux, android = limited linux, so, android = dumbed down ubuntu [13:15] yeah he was majorly hostile in -ot yesterday [13:17] I've seen him before [13:17] shame, clearly a star trek deep space 9 fan [13:21] * Pici thinks about the rules of accquisition [13:22] a wise set of guidelines to live by [13:24] I would have perhaps pointed out the existance of this channel, but oh well. [13:24] not a big loss [13:25] Myrtti: seen him before, discussion is not an option [13:25] he knows what he's doing, hence why he joined offtopic straight away to complain [13:26] as I said, not a big loss. [13:26] attack, not complain [13:26] he's currently trying to get around the ban by changing his nick to uncle_rom_ [14:41] * [Carmivore] (~carmivmor@unaffiliated/hardfu/bot/carmivore): Carmivore IRC Bot [14:41] I wonder what that does [14:41] the owner hardfu was just in #freenode talking about his bot PMing 10k users. nothing so far [14:42] ie would it be banned if it did that [14:42] then it goes [14:42] if the owner is talking about it in freenode - that is hte bot [14:42] nothing yet reported and it does not respond to comments [14:43] I must be blind but I can't see him talking about it [14:43] HardFu? [14:44] oh yeah. [14:44] mquin: I have a scenario, a bot that freenode users can subscribe to for certain events, but I could have a problem if the bot would notify 10k users at the same time (again hypothetically speaking) [14:56] tired of all the lies and nonsense from Lint. [14:56] agreed [14:56] no more slack [14:57] he was going on and on earlier about "Ubuntu's password nonsense", ie not being able to login as root [14:58] yah, enough of it [14:58] I've warned him 3 - 4 times about it [15:07] in here? [15:07] idiot [15:07] thank you [15:08] sorry about that [15:10] SheTuggedOnmypen [15:11] I wonder what his nickname is meant to be [15:11] (he just changed it to that) [15:11] and again SheTuggedMyPenor [16:03] any clue what lint is talking about? ignore broken packages, remove without removing? [16:04] sounds like he wants to remove their them from the apt database but not actually uninstall them. [16:04] s/apt/dpkg/ [16:04] and he saids he needs to ignore broken packages [16:05] err says [16:05] the answer is he can't because APT needs to at all times know what is on the filesystem, because APT is Big Brother [16:10] hi [16:11] What's up with this Lint person in #ubuntu ? He keeps joining and asking how to do normally impossible things, looks like some troll to me honestly :/ [16:11] I'm inclined to agree [16:11] yeah, we're watching [16:11] thanks theadmin [16:11] he complains that the impossible can't be done and then $product is rubbish [16:12] Yeah [16:13] I don't think rpm actually does that either. [16:13] Then again rpm has just too many frontends, can't know all of them [16:15] standard option in rpm haha [16:16] rpm, rpm... I have no idea how people can actually use a package manger without an official frontend which can pull stuff from repos in a sane manner [16:17] it's not that bad. but if he thinks it's standard, then he's wrong [16:18] Now he claims he doesn't need dependencies for a package but needs the package [16:18] lol [16:19] This is actually somewhat amusing [16:19] homemade distro! [16:20] lol... Bet someone else just discovered remastersys [16:21] thats no longer developed last I checked [16:21] Ah... last *I* checked it was in like 2009 so pardon me [16:22] s/it// [16:23] theadmin: do you see bazhang and myself addressing cloudgeek in #u? [16:23] you're aware we're ops, right? [16:24] mneptok: Yeah, I just replied to him/her too [16:24] why? [16:24] well mneptok is. [16:24] I'm here for the cookies [16:24] why what?... I mean... Rules are rules... Nothing wrong if I try to explain right? [16:24] theadmin: well, yes, there is. [16:24] theadmin, redundancy [16:25] 1523 users. what is 1521 of them plus myself corrected someone? [16:25] s/is/if/ [16:25] Meh okay *remembers not to correct anyone when an op is doing so* [16:26] mneptok: Sorry, but um, why are you so angry at me recently? Don't do this, don't do that... I'm not breaking the actual rules (or am I?...) [16:27] theadmin: look, no offense intended here. but the other day i mentioned you using "our" and "we" when discussing policy and procedure. i wrote that off to someone just feeling very connected to the project, and i think that's a positive. [16:27] mneptok: "our" and "we", I no longer am using those, well, at least I'm trying not to [16:28] mneptok: Just feels somewhat like you want to get rid of me or I offended you somehow [16:28] theadmin: today you insert yourself into a discussion between ops and a user. if this stuff keeps happening, i'll start to wonder if it's genuine enthusiasm, or some other, less altruistic need. [16:29] Heh if not for altruism I wouldn't really hang around trying to help people when I can on #ubuntu would I? [16:30] mneptok: Again, I mean no offense or anything like that by my actions, and if they are wrong I'm glad if you correct me, it just makes me wonder if it's something personal [16:31] theadmin: i tend to agree. so please, *do* hang around. but let ops handle users, and remember that there are people who have made years-long contributions that don't use possessive terms to describe the project. [16:31] (agree with that altruism inputline) [16:33] mneptok: I did stop using possessive terms... Very well then. As for users... Well, for instance right now PlaneCrazy1 has inserted an offtopic statement. Can I fire !offtopic or should I sit and wait for an op normally? I fail to understand what I'm supposed to do anymore [16:33] theadmin: when you see ops dealing with an issue, well, then ops are dealing with an issue. [16:34] theadmin: in fact, it's rare for us ops to get involved once one of us starts dealing with something. [16:34] mneptok: Ah cool. Well, correct me if this happens again, because I don't remember all ops by names and am at #ubuntu-ops only when I'm either seriously annoyed by something or when I have a question that's related to, well, ops [16:34] /names #ubuntu-ops [16:35] this channel is not +s [16:35] theadmin: as a general rule, avoid basically repeating what others have said, whether or not they're ops, especially if it's offtopic stuff. [16:35] LjL: Ah. Makes more sense now :) [16:35] LjL: Thanks [16:36] theadmin: sadly, the biggest offtopic offenders are all in this channel. because discussions of rules and procedures is not Ubuntu support. ;) [16:36] right, so we try to keep those to a minimum in #ubuntu [16:36] sometimes we fail [16:37] mneptok: Hm, well, why not perform such things in PM then? (more noticable, less disturbing the channel) [16:37] theadmin: well that's not optimal either, because 1) you don't know whether someone else has done the same 2) you don't generally educate the channel about rules [16:37] Ah wait, silly question [16:37] the problem is when what could have been a one-line warning turns into a debate, in #ubuntu [16:38] "I just got 1521 PMs telling me about some -offtopic channel!" [16:38] which is then offftopic itself. [16:38] and gets another 1521 PMs [16:38] mneptok: ...Does #ubuntu really have 1521 ops? wow. [16:38] lather. rinse, repeat. [16:38] theadmin: no, 1521 users [16:39] mneptok: Ah, k. Well I just realized how stupid that suggestion was myself :D [16:39] (or whatever) [16:41] By the way, um, this question is probably for #ubuntu-irc but is #ubuntu-offtopic really intended for "everything" or just "ubuntu-related discussions"? I'm too lazy to join either of those channels, besides last I've been to #ubuntu-offtopic it was kind of freaky there [16:41] its way more than ubuntu-related [16:42] theadmin: !guidelines and !coc apply in -ot, too. but a LOT of leeway is given. [16:42] I see [16:43] theadmin: it's not Ubuntu related, actually anything Ubuntu related tends to be seen as support and turned down lately ;( [16:43] theadmin: "One does not simply walk into #ubuntu-offtopic." [16:43] mneptok: I have no idea what you mean by that, but ok [16:43] http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lllsayM7YI1qkrl62o1_400.jpg [16:43] LjL: lol even the Unity rants? [16:44] Bet you get tons of those [16:44] theadmin: well no those get turned down for other reasons [16:46] http://www.dcresource.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=58104&d=1314493582 [16:46] I see... [16:47] In ubottu, Somelauw said: nautilus is the file manager of gnome. [16:47] ...Duh [16:47] lol [16:50] In ubottu, Somelauw said: metacity is the window manager of gnome. It is a very simple and archetypical window manager. [16:53] Meh anyway, see you everyone [16:58] i don't think i'd describe Nautilus as "simple" any more [16:58] hehe [16:58] install nautilus-elementary! [16:59] from the webupd8 PPA [16:59] did i piss you off in some way? offend the family? what? [17:02] mneptok, me? no, why would you think that? [17:15] webupd8 :-D lol [17:16] I think it was a go at these omnipresent webpublications with their PPA's [17:16] Myrtti, precisely [17:17] install the superOS repos! [17:18] :-D [17:19] mneptok, my apologies for the confusion [17:20] bazhang: ;) [17:29] MS access via ubuntu? [17:31] i'm not surew that's possible, even with a cantilever. [17:31] hehe [17:31] he's a -ru speaker, that must be a google translate [17:32] "console" [17:33] GOOG translates консоль as "cantilever" [17:33] ok [18:51] !away > ohdae [20:20] I'd like permission to put a stats bot (which includes a private logging component that logs to files that are non-public-accessible) into #ubuntu. it does nothing in-channel, but to remove any concern I'm happy to have a +q but on it. [20:22] its nickname is 'evidence', and it shares the nickserv account of the trekweb generic bot account, "TrekWebBot". i can shift it to use the nickserv of the PennBot nickserv (which is the bot for the #ubuntu-us-pa loco channel) if you'd prefer, its got an unaffiliated nature. [20:23] actually, its going to use the PennBot nickserv, just so it doesnt show any real affiliation [20:26] EvilResistance: What does this bot do? === Guest22071 is now known as gord [20:28] Pici: gathers generic statistics about #ubuntu, i.e. number of messages, number of users in-channel, maximum seen users in channel, etc. stores that information so its available via direct privmsg to the bot only (so as not to have any misfires in #ubuntu). Also simultaneously logs the channel traffic to a log file that does not face the internet and is only accessible via my local network, since i've decided i can't tr [20:28] ust my ZNC to keep accurate logs of what happens while i'm away [20:28] oops, charlimits :/ [20:29] it doesn't do anything in-channel, except silent stats and logging. [20:29] (and the logging is private logging) [20:31] Well, I don't think that'll be an issue. Let me just bounce it off the rest of the IRCC. [20:31] to be perfectly safe, i've lobotomized it for #ubuntu and every other channel, so it doesnt respond to anything in channel, but to remove any potential concerns of this, i'm happy with a +q on it if the ops team would like that. [20:31] alright, i'll be patient [20:32] should i wait in this channel for a response from you guys, or should i just /part here, and await the response in #ubuntu-irc? [20:32] EvilResistance: You may part, we'll get back to you [20:32] alrighty === maco2 is now known as maco