[00:43] <Myrtti> !pm > jhfjhgfjhgf
[00:48] <Myrtti> good night folks
 but the phone came with a dumbed down version of ubuntu
[03:14] <bazhang> ubuntu is on phones now?
[05:58] <Tm_T> bazhang: I suspect that was android
[05:59] <bazhang> Tm_T, ah ok
[06:00] <Tm_T> ubuntu = linux, android = limited linux, so, android = dumbed down ubuntu
[13:15] <bazhang> yeah he was majorly hostile in -ot yesterday
[13:17] <ikonia> I've seen him before
[13:17] <ikonia> shame, clearly a star trek deep space 9 fan
[13:21]  * Pici thinks about the rules of accquisition
[13:22] <ikonia> a wise set of guidelines to live by
[13:24] <Myrtti> I would have perhaps pointed out the existance of this channel, but oh well.
[13:24] <Myrtti> not a big loss
[13:25] <ikonia> Myrtti: seen him before, discussion is not an option
[13:25] <ikonia> he knows what he's doing, hence why he joined offtopic straight away to complain
[13:26] <Myrtti> as I said, not a big loss.
[13:26] <bazhang> attack, not complain
[13:26] <ikonia> he's currently trying to get around the ban by changing his nick to uncle_rom_
[14:41] <bazhang> * [Carmivore] (~carmivmor@unaffiliated/hardfu/bot/carmivore): Carmivore IRC Bot
[14:41] <ikonia> I wonder what that does
[14:41] <bazhang> the owner hardfu was just in #freenode talking about his bot PMing 10k users. nothing so far
[14:42] <bazhang> ie would it be banned if it did that
[14:42] <ikonia> then it goes
[14:42] <ikonia> if the owner is talking about it in freenode - that is hte bot
[14:42] <bazhang> nothing yet reported and it does not respond to comments
[14:43] <Myrtti> I must be blind but I can't see him talking about it
[14:43] <Myrtti> HardFu?
[14:44] <Myrtti> oh yeah.
 mquin: I have a scenario, a bot that freenode users can subscribe to for certain events, but I could have a problem if the bot would notify 10k users at the same time (again hypothetically speaking)
[14:56] <bazhang> tired of all the lies and nonsense from Lint.
[14:56] <ikonia> agreed
[14:56] <ikonia> no more slack
[14:57] <bazhang> he was going on and on earlier about "Ubuntu's password nonsense", ie not being able to login as root
[14:58] <ikonia> yah, enough of it
[14:58] <ikonia> I've warned him 3 - 4 times about it
[15:07] <bazhang> in here?
[15:07] <ikonia> idiot
[15:07] <ikonia> thank you
[15:08] <ikonia> sorry about that
[15:10] <ikonia>  SheTuggedOnmypen
[15:11] <ikonia> I wonder what his nickname is meant to be
[15:11] <ikonia> (he just changed it to that)
[15:11] <ikonia> and again SheTuggedMyPenor
[16:03] <bazhang> any clue what lint is talking about? ignore broken packages, remove without removing?
[16:04] <Pici> sounds like he wants to remove their them from the apt database but not actually uninstall them.
[16:04] <Pici> s/apt/dpkg/
[16:04] <bazhang> and he saids he needs to ignore broken packages
[16:05] <bazhang> err says
[16:05] <LjL> the answer is he can't because APT needs to at all times know what is on the filesystem, because APT is Big Brother
[16:10] <bazhang> hi
[16:11] <theadmin> What's up with this Lint person in #ubuntu ? He keeps joining and asking how to do normally impossible things, looks like some troll to me honestly :/
[16:11] <ikonia> I'm inclined to agree
[16:11] <bazhang> yeah, we're watching
[16:11] <bazhang> thanks theadmin
[16:11] <ikonia> he complains that the impossible can't be done and then $product is rubbish
[16:12] <theadmin> Yeah
[16:13] <theadmin> I don't think rpm actually does that either.
[16:13] <theadmin> Then again rpm has just too many frontends, can't know all of them
[16:15] <bazhang> standard option in rpm haha
[16:16] <theadmin> rpm, rpm... I have no idea how people can actually use a package manger without an official frontend which can pull stuff from repos in a sane manner
[16:17] <bazhang> it's not that bad. but if he thinks it's standard, then he's wrong
[16:18] <theadmin> Now he claims he doesn't need dependencies for a package but needs the package
[16:18] <theadmin> lol
[16:19] <theadmin> This is actually somewhat amusing
[16:19] <bazhang> homemade distro!
[16:20] <theadmin> lol... Bet someone else just discovered remastersys
[16:21] <bazhang> thats no longer developed last I checked
[16:21] <theadmin> Ah... last *I* checked it was in like 2009 so pardon me
[16:22] <theadmin> s/it//
[16:23] <mneptok> theadmin: do you see bazhang and myself addressing cloudgeek in #u?
[16:23] <mneptok> you're aware we're ops, right?
[16:24] <theadmin> mneptok: Yeah, I just replied to him/her too
[16:24] <mneptok> why?
[16:24] <bazhang> well mneptok is.
[16:24] <bazhang> I'm here for the cookies
[16:24] <theadmin> why what?... I mean... Rules are rules... Nothing wrong if I try to explain right?
[16:24] <mneptok> theadmin: well, yes, there is.
[16:24] <bazhang> theadmin, redundancy
[16:25] <mneptok> 1523 users. what is 1521 of them plus myself corrected someone?
[16:25] <mneptok> s/is/if/
[16:25] <theadmin> Meh okay *remembers not to correct anyone when an op is doing so*
[16:26] <theadmin> mneptok: Sorry, but um, why are you so angry at me recently? Don't do this, don't do that... I'm not breaking the actual rules (or am I?...)
[16:27] <mneptok> theadmin: look, no offense intended here. but the other day i mentioned you using "our" and "we" when discussing policy and procedure. i wrote that off to someone just feeling very connected to the project, and i think that's a positive.
[16:27] <theadmin> mneptok: "our" and "we", I no longer am using those, well, at least I'm trying not to
[16:28] <theadmin> mneptok: Just feels somewhat like you want to get rid of me or I offended you somehow
[16:28] <mneptok> theadmin: today you insert yourself into a discussion between ops and a user. if this stuff keeps happening, i'll start to wonder if it's genuine enthusiasm, or some other, less altruistic need.
[16:29] <theadmin> Heh if not for altruism I wouldn't really hang around trying to help people when I can on #ubuntu would I?
[16:30] <theadmin> mneptok: Again, I mean no offense or anything like that by my actions, and if they are wrong I'm glad if you correct me, it just makes me wonder if it's something personal
[16:31] <mneptok> theadmin: i tend to agree. so please, *do* hang around. but let ops handle users, and remember that there are people who have made years-long contributions that don't use possessive terms to describe the project.
[16:31] <mneptok> (agree with that altruism inputline)
[16:33] <theadmin> mneptok: I did stop using possessive terms... Very well then. As for users... Well, for instance right now PlaneCrazy1 has inserted an offtopic statement. Can I fire !offtopic or should I sit and wait for an op normally? I fail to understand what I'm supposed to do anymore
[16:33] <mneptok> theadmin: when you see ops dealing with an issue, well, then ops are dealing with an issue.
[16:34] <mneptok> theadmin: in fact, it's rare for us ops to get involved once one of us starts dealing with something.
[16:34] <theadmin> mneptok: Ah cool. Well, correct me if this happens again, because I don't remember all ops by names and am at #ubuntu-ops only when I'm either seriously annoyed by something or when I have a question that's related to, well, ops
[16:34] <mneptok>  /names #ubuntu-ops
[16:35] <mneptok> this channel is not +s
[16:35] <LjL> theadmin: as a general rule, avoid basically repeating what others have said, whether or not they're ops, especially if it's offtopic stuff.
[16:35] <theadmin> LjL: Ah. Makes more sense now :)
[16:35] <theadmin> LjL: Thanks
[16:36] <mneptok> theadmin: sadly, the biggest offtopic offenders are all in this channel. because discussions of rules and procedures is not Ubuntu support. ;)
[16:36] <LjL> right, so we try to keep those to a minimum in #ubuntu
[16:36] <LjL> sometimes we fail
[16:37] <theadmin> mneptok: Hm, well, why not perform such things in PM then? (more noticable, less disturbing the channel)
[16:37] <LjL> theadmin: well that's not optimal either, because 1) you don't know whether someone else has done the same 2) you don't generally educate the channel about rules
[16:37] <theadmin> Ah wait, silly question
[16:37] <LjL> the problem is when what could have been a one-line warning turns into a debate, in #ubuntu
[16:38] <mneptok> "I just got 1521 PMs telling me about some -offtopic channel!"
[16:38] <mneptok> which is then offftopic itself.
[16:38] <mneptok> and gets another 1521 PMs
[16:38] <theadmin> mneptok: ...Does #ubuntu really have 1521 ops? wow.
[16:38] <mneptok> lather. rinse, repeat.
[16:38] <mneptok> theadmin: no, 1521 users
[16:39] <theadmin> mneptok: Ah, k. Well I just realized how stupid that suggestion was myself :D
[16:39] <mneptok> (or whatever)
[16:41] <theadmin> By the way, um, this question is probably for #ubuntu-irc but is #ubuntu-offtopic really intended for "everything" or just "ubuntu-related discussions"? I'm too lazy to join either of those channels, besides last I've been to #ubuntu-offtopic it was kind of freaky there
[16:41] <popey> its way more than ubuntu-related
[16:42] <mneptok> theadmin: !guidelines and !coc apply in -ot, too. but a LOT of leeway is given.
[16:42] <theadmin> I see
[16:43] <LjL> theadmin: it's not Ubuntu related, actually anything Ubuntu related tends to be seen as support and turned down lately ;(
[16:43] <mneptok> theadmin: "One does not simply walk into #ubuntu-offtopic."
[16:43] <theadmin> mneptok: I have no idea what you mean by that, but ok
[16:43] <mneptok> http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lllsayM7YI1qkrl62o1_400.jpg
[16:43] <theadmin> LjL: lol even the Unity rants?
[16:44] <theadmin> Bet you get tons of those
[16:44] <LjL> theadmin: well no those get turned down for other reasons
[16:46] <mneptok> http://www.dcresource.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=58104&d=1314493582
[16:46] <theadmin> I see...
[16:47] <theadmin> ...Duh
[16:47] <theadmin> lol
[16:53] <theadmin> Meh anyway, see you everyone
[16:58] <mneptok> i don't think i'd describe Nautilus as "simple" any more
[16:58] <bazhang> hehe
[16:58] <bazhang> install nautilus-elementary!
[16:59] <bazhang> from the webupd8 PPA
[16:59] <mneptok> did i piss you off in some way? offend the family? what?
[17:02] <bazhang> mneptok, me? no, why would you think that?
[17:15] <Myrtti> webupd8 :-D lol
[17:16] <Myrtti> I think it was a go at these omnipresent webpublications with their PPA's
[17:16] <bazhang> Myrtti, precisely
[17:17] <bazhang> install the superOS repos!
[17:18] <Myrtti> :-D
[17:19] <bazhang> mneptok, my apologies for the confusion
[17:20] <mneptok> bazhang: ;)
[17:29] <bazhang> MS access via ubuntu?
[17:31] <mneptok> i'm not surew that's possible, even with a cantilever.
[17:31] <bazhang> hehe
[17:31] <bazhang> he's a -ru speaker, that must be a google translate
[17:32] <mneptok> "console"
[17:33] <mneptok> GOOG translates консоль as "cantilever"
[17:33] <bazhang> ok
[18:51] <h00k> !away > ohdae
[20:20] <EvilResistance> I'd like permission to put a stats bot (which includes a private logging component that logs to files that are non-public-accessible) into #ubuntu.  it does nothing in-channel, but to remove any concern I'm happy to have a +q but on it.
[20:22] <EvilResistance> its nickname is 'evidence', and it shares the nickserv account of the trekweb generic bot account, "TrekWebBot".  i can shift it to use the nickserv of the PennBot nickserv (which is the bot for the #ubuntu-us-pa loco channel) if you'd prefer, its got an unaffiliated nature.
[20:23] <EvilResistance> actually, its going to use the PennBot nickserv, just so it doesnt show any real affiliation
[20:26] <Pici> EvilResistance: What does this bot do?
[20:28] <EvilResistance> Pici:  gathers generic statistics about #ubuntu, i.e. number of messages, number of users in-channel, maximum seen users in channel, etc.  stores that information so its available via direct privmsg to the bot only (so as not to have any misfires in #ubuntu).  Also simultaneously logs the channel traffic to a log file that does not face the internet and is only accessible via my local network, since i've decided i can't tr
[20:28] <EvilResistance> ust my ZNC to keep accurate logs of what happens while i'm away
[20:28] <EvilResistance> oops, charlimits :/
[20:29] <EvilResistance> it doesn't do anything in-channel, except silent stats and logging.
[20:29] <EvilResistance> (and the logging is private logging)
[20:31] <Pici> Well, I don't think that'll be an issue.  Let me just bounce it off the rest of the IRCC.
[20:31] <EvilResistance> to be perfectly safe, i've lobotomized it for #ubuntu and every other channel, so it doesnt respond to anything in channel, but to remove any potential concerns of this, i'm happy with a +q on it if the ops team would like that.
[20:31] <EvilResistance> alright, i'll be patient
[20:32] <EvilResistance> should i wait in this channel for a response from you guys, or should i just /part here, and await the response in #ubuntu-irc?
[20:32] <Pici> EvilResistance: You may part, we'll get back to you
[20:32] <EvilResistance> alrighty