[01:08] dash autohide is broken.. fix it [01:09] compiz is still broken with fglrx.. fix it [01:12] Dash autohide was fixed already, wasn't it? [01:12] *Launcher [01:12] I mean, it wasn't working for me - Launcher would never reveal by cursor - and now it is [01:12] in trunk or not released yet? [01:13] pretty sure i have the latest precise packages installed.. and with autohide enabled, mouse pointer will not reveal it [01:13] ppa:unity-team/ppa [01:13] nice :) [01:13] Should be in the repos sometime soon. [01:13] what about this one? [01:13] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/770283 [01:13] Ubuntu bug 770283 in fglrx-installer (Ubuntu) "[fglrx]title bar does not update on non-maximized windows" [Undecided,Confirmed] [01:13] thats been there for the longest time :/ [01:13] obviously isnt a simple fix [01:14] I'm not using fglrx, so I can't tell. [01:14] that seems to be half the problem.. nobody does [01:14] linux users seem to be almost 100% nvidia fanbois :p [01:15] That, or they think the opensource ati drivers are enough. [01:15] radeon driver works okay [01:15] but it lacks quite a bit functionality [01:15] and performance [01:16] 2D performance is much better in radeon (but fglrx is catching up) [01:16] fglrx probably works alright with gnome-shell.. but i cant be bothered confirming that [01:16] And I'm so into development version of Ubuntu that most of the time I would be unable to use fglrx. [01:16] well.. im running the latest catalyst from amd [01:17] its pretty simple to install.. ./ati-blah-installer --buildpkg Ubuntu/precise [01:17] the repo versions of fglrx are usually a few releases behind [01:17] I know. But there's always a little wait between a new X.org or Linux kernel and a working Catalyst. [01:17] i think amd have significantly picked up the game there [01:18] By the time a Ubuntu version is released, the driver is installable, so it doesn't matter much. [01:18] i was building fglrx for development 3.3 kernels.. not sure about xorg [01:18] but i think xorg edgers packages the latest fglrx versions [01:18] but yeah.. its a bit insane to use edgers [01:19] I'm used to edgers. [01:20] It breaks from time to time, but what bothers me is that I always stumble into an graphical artefact here and there. [01:46] mhall119: ping [01:47] hey everybody [01:47] is there anyone here getting issues drawing menus? [01:47] with bits missing? [01:48] you'd have to be on the latest compiz I think [01:48] so grabbing stuff from the ppa [01:49] thumper: I am [01:49] mhall119: all the time/ [01:49] ? [01:49] thumper: errors drawing window decorations too [01:49] thumper: not all the time, but frequently [01:49] how frequently? [01:50] on menus, probably close to 50% of the time [01:50] on window decorations, less frequently [01:50] all menus too, global menu, context menus, etc [01:50] thumper: I filed a bug about it [01:51] mhall119: you did [01:51] that's what I'm following up [01:51] thumper: I'm getting this running the precise repos, not PPAs [01:51] I saw it once, not since [01:51] I also had Unity freeze and crash on `unity --replace` [01:51] so I'm beginning to suspect it may be a driver bug for my GMA965, not necessarily a compiz or unity bug [01:52] mhall119: well there is certainly a driver bug, as jasonwarner was getting it [01:52] mhall119: which closer matches your window decoration transparency issue [01:52] mhall119: but the menus not painting correctly is something else [01:53] ok [01:53] mhall119: sam just proposed a fix that we think may fix this issue [01:56] \o/ [04:17] Does anyone know what language myunity is written in? [04:33] thomi, hey [04:33] hi [04:33] ...I thought you were asleep :-/ [04:33] thomi, so I can't find this python test in that branch [04:33] only 8:30 pm here haha [04:33] hmm... [04:34] I searched for ibus and abc [04:34] through the entire branch [04:34] I forgot to 'bzr add' it :( [04:34] I see, and also the problem might be that you hide the dash before you press ctrl + space [04:35] OK, new revision is up now [04:35] sweet [04:37] ok, so to run these test do I need to build anything? [04:38] as I was thinking I could just "python ibus.py" [04:40] thomi, also nice looking code :), better then my python haha [04:41] bschaefer: sorry - I didn't see your test [04:41] *text [04:41] easiest way to run them, is: [04:41] forgot to ping you! [04:41] cd tests/autopilot [04:42] python -m testtools.run autopilot.tests.test_ibus [04:42] if you want to run the entire suite you can type 'make' from that same directory... [04:42] when I make I get this [04:42] it's cool to watch, but takes a while and gets boring fast [04:42] ImportError: Start directory is not importable: 'autopilot.tests' [04:42] and a stack trace [04:43] hmm I wonder what im missing [04:43] hmm, I had that earlier today, but I fixed it... [04:43] try launching the python interpreter and typing "import autopilot.tests" [04:43] dynamic typed languages give a lot better error messages haha [04:43] had an issue with recursive imports this mornign [04:44] ImportError: No module named Xlib [04:44] ahh, you need python-xlib installed [04:44] testtools should give better error messages :) [04:45] sweet, I was going to look through sudo apt-get install python- but to many! [04:45] now I get this error.. [04:45] AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'test_ibus' [04:46] this is a fresh install I must be missing a lot of stuff haha [04:47] umm... [04:47] http://paste.ubuntu.com/843962/ [04:47] actual stack [04:48] trace [04:48] hmmmm [04:48] the command you're running is correct [04:49] what do you get if you do: [04:49] python -c "import autopilot.tests.test_ibus" [04:50] ImportError: No module named compizconfig [04:50] sweet [04:50] python-compizconfig [04:50] yup :) [04:50] you're probably missing a few other bits and pieces as well [04:51] it ran this time! [04:51] cool [04:51] o yeah im running a hacked version of IMTextEntry...which isn't working correctly haha [04:52] umm, its putting abc1 out now I have to look through the ibus test [04:52] yup. [04:52] if it was working that should come up as: [04:52] 阿布从 [04:53] I have no idea what that says - it's possibly offensive ;) [04:53] yeah I have no clue either! [04:53] yeah it would, I just have to change 2 lines of code or recompile, one sec [04:55] but it does put the abc1! haha [04:56] thomi, does the autopilot wait for the dash to open? or is it on a timer to start input? (out of curiosity) [04:56] there's no intelligent waiting - we just sleep for a bit [04:57] it's hacky I know, but it works [04:57] ...most of the time [04:57] yeah, since I run a VM it is slower and was wondering [04:57] if it was waiting, it started just in time though! [04:58] I think is waits for a second [04:58] yeah I just saw the code! [04:59] so what Im hoping the problem is when you close the dash and THEN hit ctrl+space it doesn't register that for the dash [04:59] so ill move the ctrl+space right after you enter the abc1, and that should exit the ibus [05:00] also when you set_global_engine it automatically activates the ibus [05:00] I think I tried that... maybe not though [05:00] so you dont need the initial ctrl+space [05:00] ahhhh.. [05:00] doh! [05:00] but! [05:01] that is weird that the initial ctrl+space isn't exiting the ibus [05:01] probably nux is grabbing the keystroke [05:01] since it activates it then ctrl+space (should exit it) then type abc1 should be just abc1 [05:01] OK. I'm past EOD, so I'll fix that up tomorrow morning [05:01] yeah [05:01] sweet [05:02] now we just need some better test data than 'abc1'... I'll leave that to someone else though [05:02] Ill play around with it while code compiles from time to time to see how it works [05:02] cheers [05:02] ALSO, ill test it with the new TextEntryIM [05:02] which could fix that [05:02] as your using IMTextEntry atm [05:03] thomi, and agreed about getting better testing later haha (like using arrows, tab key and stuff to navigate through possible entrys) [05:04] yeah [05:04] but sweet none the less, also have a nice nux version as well now :) [05:04] jaytaoko put together a nice automated TextEntry [05:09] thomi, yeah putting this line "kb.press_and_release('Ctrl+Space')" above "dash.ensure_hidden()" seems to work for me [05:10] sweet - thanks. I'll fix it up now... [05:11] cool! hopefully that works for you, as im using nux::TextEntryIM [05:11] (what the search bar is using) [05:12] bschaefer: I don't think that's in trunk yet [05:13] no it is what im working on ;) [05:13] should be soon [05:13] ok [05:13] but thanks for the test, will use it to test it! [07:50] andyrock, hey, would you be willing to test a crash out for me? [07:59] bschaefer, hey [07:59] shoot [07:59] morning [08:00] could me say a python programmer, why this is not working? http://paste.ubuntu.com/844075/ [08:01] andyrock, could you open the dash type "abcd" then Ctrl + a then Ctrl + c then Ctrl + v [08:01] im making sure im not going crazy, as I don't see how that wasn't caught [08:03] bschaefer, crash [08:03] wow [08:03] ok, well good thing im working on this chuck of code [08:03] andyrock, I thought I was causing that with some new changes to text entry haha [08:04] andyrock, thanks! [08:04] also sorry for the inconvenience of a crash! [08:05] welcome :) [08:09] bschaefer: lol :D I want crash, too ^^ [08:10] gotwig, go for it! It will be fixed soon :) [08:11] I have problems with dependencies, you also? [08:11] umm, while compiling unity? [08:13] no [08:13] with normal upgrading [08:13] haven't ran into any, sorry [08:14] bschaefer: I have also many problems with focus [08:14] bschaefer: text gets autoselected from my mouse touchpad === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [08:50] mhall119: I already have all the data I need, now I only have to filter it, for my recipefy scope in one output, http://paste.ubuntu.com/844105/ [09:48] Somebody of the unity team there? [09:57] Ok even if not, maybe someone will read this: I'm again a user who will switch his pcs to Linux Mint, since i find Unity is unusable for productive work and even my girlfriend (casual user) HATES it. I would give it a try if there would be some possibility to customize anything. But even with the compiz tools there is almost nothing. Why do you throw all conventions which have grown over decades into the trahs by changing everyt [09:57] and i simply can't understand that ... [09:59] * gotwig laughs [10:05] its called unity cos its meant to work the same way for everyone ;) [10:05] my issue isnt the change in mentality [10:06] thats actually fine, i personally dont notice any functionality regressions [10:07] its the bugs that piss me off, but its still relatively early days yet.. its showing signs of maturity, and as far as using something with its defaults.. unity has gnome-shell beat [10:12] greyback, hey, do you have anything in particular off of the list you'd like me to take care of? [10:12] Saviq: I was just about to ask you :) [10:14] Could you please figure out a way to get the active application tile? [10:14] My attempt was using a Filter on the LauncherApplications model, but I failed to get it to work [10:15] ok I'll take a look [10:17] thank you [10:26] mhall119: problem solved :D! [10:59] greyback, I just noticed one more thing with the hud [11:00] Saviq: just one? :) [11:00] greyback, in Unity, the first entry is preselected whenever there're any results [11:00] and the tile respects that, too [11:00] Saviq: ah I hadn't noticed that [11:00] but interestingly in Uity's code, it asks bamf for the active application icon [11:01] greyback, yes [11:01] that's because in Unity focus remains with the window [11:01] in our case we get the focus [11:01] ahh of course [11:02] we need to ask for the previously active window [11:02] the obvious difference will be that with Unity the window decorations don't change [11:02] with us - they will [11:02] s/will/are/ [11:03] yeah. I don't see how we can avoid that [11:03] not without tweaking the WM [11:03] indeed [11:04] I'll get the initial tile done, then, and the preselection should be trivial [11:05] Great, thanks [11:11] Kaleo, greyback, since I'm going to use LauncherApplication outside of the Launcher, do you want me to rename it to... Application? UnityApplication? [11:12] Saviq: Application sounds good [11:12] agreed [11:14] I'll have that as a separate MR against lp:unity-2d then === chaoticuk_ is now known as chaoticuk === _salem is now known as salem_ [11:39] hey [11:39] mhall119: there? [12:15] do you know how I can read out the language ? [12:15] gotwig: of an user === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch [12:53] gotwig: os.environ['LANG'] [12:55] didrocks: ping [12:55] hey mhall119 [12:56] didrocks: hey, I started a quickly template last night [12:56] http://mhall119.com/2012/02/singlet-quickly-better-faster-simpler/ [12:57] mhall119: I saw the blog post, it's a pity that I lost some time yesterday to start one as well :/ [12:57] didrocks: I'm going to need to package it, is there anything specific I need to do? [12:57] now that I have this one, the others I need should be easy to copy/paste [12:58] mhall119: hum, is it already fully working? I think we should review the import list [12:58] didrocks: it's not 'fully working' yet, but create and package work [12:58] mhall119: I can review it tomorrow if needed and package the template [12:58] then, we can push it to universe [12:59] that would be awesome, I still have some work to do on this one (quickly run doesn't work) [12:59] then I'll need to copy/paste/tweak it to make 2 other templates [12:59] mhall119: ok, just push to your trunk today, and I'll review tomorrow, hopefully all the rush will be behind me :) [12:59] cool, thanks [12:59] mhall119: let's get the first one right, and then, it's easier for you to copy/paste [13:00] mhall119: I saw though that you removed the "search" method [13:00] mhall119: and finally, don't generate the .lens and .service file [13:00] mhall119: I would then suggest to put the metadata in the config file [13:00] so that it's clear people shouldn't change them [13:00] (I had a quick look this morning) [13:05] didrocks: the search method on my Lens sub-class? [13:06] mhall119: right [13:06] right, because the base Lens class doesn't do it's own searching [13:06] when I copy/paste that template for SingleScopeLens, I'll add the search stub back [13:07] same for when I copy/paste it for a base Scope template [13:07] mhall119: ah ok [13:07] mhall119: my parser finaly works [13:07] gotwig: yay! [13:07] the guys from #python helped me [13:07] mhall119: but so a "lens" template isn't a lens + one scope, it's the global one? [13:08] mhall119: I think the main one should be SingleScopeLens, we need to take that into account [13:08] so that it's clear on the template name :) [13:09] didrocks: a "lens" template, as I have now, is an empty lens [13:09] mhall119: but than I get just the UTF 8 thing [13:09] I'll make a singlet-singlescopelens template too [13:09] gotwig: from os.environ? [13:10] from the $LANG variable [13:10] I get en_US.UTF-8 [13:10] mhall119: I mean, people will want to create a "lens", and they expect getting a lens + scope [13:10] mhall119: yes, that I mean [13:10] mhall119: how can I cut that, till the en? [13:10] mhall119: I think we should make it clear that what people want is the lens + scope choosing a right template name [13:10] didrocks: well they shouldn't [13:11] mhall119: the opportunistic programmer won't focus on undestand the difference between lenses and scope IMHO [13:11] didrocks: people may want an empty Lens and then separate Scopes [13:11] yeah, people "may" [13:11] but most won't [13:11] ok, I can see your point [13:11] I'm fine with the 3 templates [13:11] I just think we should guide to the right template by default, the easy one [13:12] like calling the lens template "lensonly" [13:12] ok [13:12] or something like that [13:12] mhall119: how can I use the first dot as a seperator, so I only get en in the variable, e.g? [13:12] we will discuss that tommorrow, back on compiz :) [13:12] mhall119: sry, I mean _ [13:12] gotwig: one second [13:15] gotwig: os.environ['LANG'][:os.environ['LANG'].index('_')] [13:22] didrocks: do you think I should give "placeholder" categories and search results, so that the user has a technically working lens after quickly create? [13:23] or leave them commented out like I have [13:23] mhr3: ping [13:23] mhall119: yeah, basically, we had that kind of stuff in the ubuntu-application template [13:23] mhall119: then, we added the "add" command [13:23] mhall119, sup [13:23] which try to uncomment [13:23] like [13:23] quickly add scope [13:23] mhr3: hey, does Unity 5.2 or 5.4 support hot reloading of Lenses yet? [13:24] and quickly add search [13:24] didrocks: ok, I'll look at those scripts [13:24] mhall119, no [13:24] mhall119: yeah, look at the add from ubuntu-application (like adding the indicator support IIRC) [13:24] mhr3: please, please, please tell me that feature is coming [13:25] unity --replace as part of the development cycle is a horrible thing [13:25] mhall119, sorry, i can just tell you i'm not working on it === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:26] mhr3: do you happen to know off hand if it would be really difficult to implement a unity --reload that does that? [13:26] mhall119: thanks for all [13:26] the fish ;P [13:26] you're welcome [13:28] gord, do you know of any special reasons we don't monitor the lens directory to support new lenses on the fly? [13:30] mhr3, uh, i know me and njpatel discussed it at some point like a year ago now and we definitely had reasons why we couldn't do it at that moment in time - i'm willing to add it to my list of things to do if you'd like :) - i can't see any blockers right now anyway [13:30] no, I think it's perfectly possible now [13:30] mhr3, I didn't have time last cycle, is all [13:31] it would make writing and installing lenses significant better [13:31] from a user experience point of view [13:31] just FilesystemLenses needs to be updated, the rest will react accordingly [13:31] in an ideal world :) [13:31] njpatel: second request, would it be difficult for Unity to also look in ~/.local/share/unity/lenses/ ? [13:32] so people testing locally don't need to install system-wide [13:32] mhall119, the rest is async, so they wouldn't be expecting things to be only done at runtime, it wasn't the case before, but it has been since 11.10 [13:32] mhall119, yes, because lenses are dbus-activated, you can't do that from home dir [13:32] mhr3, , i mean ^ [13:32] mhall119, right, what mhr3 said [13:32] we could do Exec activation, but that's future stuff [13:33] njpatel: the .lens is dbus-activates? or just the .service? [13:33] mhall119, .lens tells us which service to start, so at the very least you'd still need the .service file in /usr/* [13:34] however the .service file could happily point to an executable in ~ [13:35] njpatel: the .service file isn't necessary if I'm going to run the lens daemon process manually from a terminal (again, local testing) [13:35] Sure [13:35] that's less important than hot reloading of lenses though === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback [13:43] JohnLea: ping [13:46] mhall119: why dont you recommended me lxml sooner :P? [13:46] it is perfect for parsing & etc. [13:48] gotwig: I've never heard of lxml before [13:48] mhall119; pong [13:48] JohnLea: hey, could you get me 4 or 5 areas where the Ubuntu community can be involved in the design aspects of Unity? [13:48] mhall119: its realy a mighty thing [13:48] I already have running the prototypes (launcher, multi-monitor lightdm) [13:49] JohnLea: and while we're on the subject, will there be any design prototypes or anything that users could try during the upcoming Global Jam? [13:49] mhall119; I've just written an article about how to participate in Unity design that which hopefully I'll be able to publish in a day or two ;-) [13:50] JohnLea: perfect, will you send me a link when it goes up? (or email me an advanced copy?) [13:50] mhall119; it's quite a long article [13:50] * mhall119 enjoys reading [13:50] :) [13:50] mhall119; do you subscribe to the design blog? I'll be posting it there [13:50] JohnLea: I think so [13:54] mhall119; cool, I'll try to get it posted very soon [14:05] JohnLea I found a post yesterday [14:05] hyia huayra [14:05] (actually on Tuesday) which gave me a very concrete idea of how to help you, and so I did the unity test (did skip some of the 171 tests, but still...) [14:06] it was on a pink website [14:06] let me check if I can find the link [14:07] huayra: pink or orange? [14:07] I believe it was pink [14:07] *checking* [14:08] huayra: http://www.theorangenotebook.com/ ? [14:08] Pink with orange in the URl: http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/02/unity-54-whats-new-and-call-for-testing.html [14:08] ;) [14:08] yes mhall119 :D [14:08] great, simple and inspiring post [14:09] balloons: ^^ :) [14:14] is HUD ready for testing for orca users yet? === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [14:19] tedg: good morning [14:21] AlanBell: do you think you could put together a list of steps for people to do accessibility testing on the various Unity components during the Global Jam? Something simple enough for people not familiar with accessibility to follow [14:23] yeah, we discussed doing that last night [14:24] basically running orca and doing the unity testing script would be great [14:24] I need some help packaging up a speech dispatcher plugin that takes the orca output and gives you a transcript in a file [14:25] AlanBell: if you can blog about those two, with steps for testing with orca, and links to the speech dispatcher that needs packaging, I'll put it on our list [14:25] ok [14:26] Howdy mhall119 [14:26] When is global jam? [14:28] tedg: March 2nd to the 4th. http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1443/detail/ [14:28] http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/file.conf goes in /etc/speechdispatcher/modules and a line needs to be added to /etc/speechdispatcher/speechd.conf [14:28] AddModule "file" "sd_generic" "file.conf" [14:28] mhall119, So that puts it after UI Freeze... [14:28] and then it generates output in /tmp/orca.out, thats about it [14:28] AlanBell: I'm making a list of "targets" for global jam, so if you have that somewhere I can link to it would be more helpful [14:29] mhall119, One thing that'd be good is making sure all appindicators set their title's, but those should really be translated. [14:29] tedg: are you talking about in HUD? [14:29] mhall119: yeah, I will blog it, but thought I would state it here as well [14:29] AlanBell: send me the link when you blog it please [14:30] tedg: the things that are all called "image" [14:30] mhall119, So for app indicators we use the title in the HUD. So if the title was "Tomboy" the entry would be "Tomboy > Create New Note" [14:30] tedg: ok [14:30] AlanBell, ? [14:30] tedg: if you could blog about HUD testing, with steps for what to do, what to look for, and where to report problems, I'll link to it [14:30] mhall119, The way it will be without a title is "Untitled Indicator (tomboy-notes) > Create New Note" [14:31] Okay [14:31] the indicators in the top panel, there is "messages image" and the rest are just called "image" to orca users [14:31] Also another good thing there would be checking for a11y strings. [14:32] AlanBell, Hmm, that's odd. We're setting some a11y information on them, or at least we're passing it up the stack. [14:32] that might have changed recently I was going to do a full test of 5.4 [14:32] AlanBell, You should talk to Luke, he did that work, not sure if it's a regression. [14:32] how do you test the a11y strings? [14:32] AlanBell, Luke tells me when they're broken :-) [14:32] Or for App Indicators? [14:33]