| PainBank | Yo, is chc tonight? | 01:32 |
|---|---|---|
| rick_h | yep | 01:33 |
| PainBank | Where? | 01:33 |
| rick_h | http://coffeehousecode.appspot.com/locations/detroit.html | 01:35 |
| PainBank | Guess you moved it, cause no one is at carribou. | 01:35 |
| PainBank | Sweet se us on a few. | 01:36 |
| rick_h | dude, been here for nearly a year | 01:36 |
| PainBank | yo | 02:33 |
| rick_h | yo | 02:33 |
| rick_h | email sent | 02:33 |
| PainBank | sweet | 02:41 |
| tjagoda | I dont like replacing outdoor halogen lightbulbs | 02:42 |
| tjagoda | they scare me | 02:42 |
| tjagoda | always pop and break when I touch them | 02:42 |
| tjagoda | I like Canonical's application system | 04:27 |
| tjagoda | Very clean. Very quick. | 04:27 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | morning | 11:26 |
| rick_h | morning | 11:29 |
| rick_h | good DOTD (maybe, haven't read it) today | 11:39 |
| Wolfger | morning | 12:25 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Yeah, it's pretty good | 12:27 |
| snap-l | and most of the reviews on the site are "doesn't measure with code complete", and "I don't like their commenting style" | 12:28 |
| snap-l | (most of the bad reviews) | 12:28 |
| snap-l | http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596802301.do#PowerReview | 12:29 |
| Wolfger | Wow. Thoughtful and insightful reviews. | 12:36 |
| Wolfger | Not used to seeing that. :-) | 12:37 |
| snap-l | I wish magazine sampler CDs came with at least a multimedia section that told you (once you toss the flimsy disk jacket they package it in) what was on the disc. | 12:43 |
| snap-l | Hello from the other side. :) | 13:49 |
| brousch | other side of what? | 13:50 |
| Wolfger | his house | 13:51 |
| Wolfger | ...or does he have a "real" job now? ;-) | 13:51 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: I'm in an office now | 13:51 |
| snap-l | and my other job was a "real" job | 13:52 |
| snap-l | just didn't have me "really" doing much. :) | 13:52 |
| Wolfger | bah. Working from home isn't a real job. | 13:52 |
| Wolfger | It's having a benefactor. | 13:52 |
| Wolfger | :-) | 13:52 |
| Wolfger | (so says the voice of envy) | 13:52 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: Heh | 13:53 |
| snap-l | Letting it slide before I rip you open like a pinata and tear out the candy bits inside. ;) | 13:53 |
| Wolfger | no candy inside today. Only bagels | 14:02 |
| Wolfger | you know, if I'd never met snap-l in person, I'd think he was big, mean, and tough... | 14:15 |
| brousch | really? | 14:15 |
| brousch | i think he's a teddy bear who likes to headbang | 14:15 |
| Wolfger | yeah, pretty much | 14:16 |
| Wolfger | but he talks a mean game in IRC | 14:16 |
| Wolfger | ripping people open and whatnot | 14:17 |
| brousch | pinatas are not particularly hard to rip open | 14:17 |
| brousch | so his plan is to blindly tap you with a stick and hope you explode | 14:18 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: I am big and mean. :) | 14:25 |
| snap-l | But mostly I'm just into hyperbole. :) | 14:25 |
| Wolfger | snap-l: more like big and ill-humored | 14:27 |
| snap-l | You haven't seen angry me | 14:33 |
| snap-l | It's not pretty | 14:33 |
| snap-l | I'm a laser-beam of destruction | 14:33 |
| * snap-l listens to music to soothe the savage beast: Revocation - Chaos of Forms | 14:39 | |
| jrwren | anyone know what the ab "time per request mean across all concurrent" is actually measuring? | 14:43 |
| snap-l | jrwren: context? | 14:47 |
| rick_h | ab the apache benchmark tool | 14:48 |
| rick_h | jrwren: I can't say for 100% just read into the description | 14:49 |
| snap-l | Ah | 14:49 |
| snap-l | http://serverfault.com/questions/153480/how-to-interpret-ab-result | 14:50 |
| snap-l | jrwren: ^^ | 14:50 |
| brousch | rick_h: how did you know that i joined goodreads? | 14:56 |
| rick_h | brousch: I got an email notification | 14:57 |
| brousch | geekers | 14:57 |
| brousch | they wanted to spam all my FB friends, but i think i stopped it | 15:00 |
| rick_h | ah, gotcha | 15:01 |
| rick_h | well I wasn't on that list :) | 15:01 |
| brousch | i didn't realize it would email everyone in my contacts | 15:02 |
| brousch | going through these book ratings and lists makes me realize how little i've read | 15:03 |
| brousch | hm, going through children's books "neil gaiman: the graveyard book" | 15:10 |
| jrwren | yeah, i googled and read adn found that serverault, but that didn't help. | 15:17 |
| snap-l | jrwren: What's the specific question, then? | 15:18 |
| jrwren | afaict its actually just time per request mean divided by concurrency number. | 15:18 |
| jrwren | which is fine. | 15:18 |
| jrwren | i am just not sure why that is a useful number. | 15:18 |
| greg_g | snap-l: if you ever need to contact all of the lame-os on LP that are a part of Ubuntu Michigan, blog.launchpad.net/?p=3198 | 15:18 |
| snap-l | greg_g: Oh, very handy. :) | 15:19 |
| greg_g | (lame-os == those who aren't subscribed to the mailing list) | 15:19 |
| === greg_g is now known as greg-g | ||
| _stink_ | oh, i thought you meant we are all lame-os. | 15:19 |
| snap-l | _stink_: that's how I took it. :) | 15:20 |
| _stink_ | :P | 15:20 |
| snap-l | Hey, I included myself in that set. :) | 15:20 |
| brousch | i don't use a lame os, i use kubuntu! | 15:21 |
| snap-l | You're in denial. | 15:22 |
| snap-l | It's OK. We're here to help. | 15:22 |
| brousch | screw you guys, i'm going back to #kubuntu-us-mi they're much more supportive | 15:23 |
| greg-g | how would you type/spell "lame-os"? | 15:23 |
| brousch | "greg-g" :P | 15:23 |
| greg-g | brousch: liar | 15:23 |
| greg-g | /join #kubuntu-us-mi --> empty | 15:24 |
| brousch | hm, i think i just spammed twitter with about 100 books that i read | 15:37 |
| brousch | er, facebook | 15:37 |
| snap-l | As long as it isn't twitter, I don't care. :) | 15:38 |
| brousch | right, but i do | 15:39 |
| greg-g | brousch: I also got an email from you | 16:05 |
| greg-g | From: Ben Rousch <noreply@mail.goodreads.com> | 16:05 |
| snap-l | I didn't get spammed by brousch | 16:06 |
| greg-g | he doesn't love you as much as me | 16:08 |
| snap-l | hah | 16:08 |
| brousch | snap-l: interesting. you're probably using an email address i don't have | 16:11 |
| snap-l | craig@decafbad.net | 16:12 |
| snap-l | If you used GMail to create an account, then I'm likely not in there. :) | 16:13 |
| brousch | heh. sylvain hellgarouch accepted the friend request | 16:14 |
| brousch | i feel 1337 | 16:14 |
| brousch | i tried to add jodee and got "Sorry, you have reached our daily limit for the number of friend requests. Please try again later." | 16:17 |
| snap-l | Yeah, you need at least 3 to friend her. | 16:26 |
| snap-l | She's 1337^2 | 16:26 |
| snap-l | (1787569) | 16:26 |
| brousch | heh | 16:29 |
| brousch | good reads is suggesting i read "Pro Drupal Development" | 16:45 |
| Wolfger | Well, get to it! | 16:48 |
| * brousch tried to send Wolfger the 'pile of poo' symbol and fails | 16:50 | |
| Wolfger | now you're stuck with your own poo | 16:52 |
| _stink_ | anyone know how to tell vim to use a different syntax file than the one it's trying by default for a particular file extension? | 16:57 |
| _stink_ | looks like "au BufNewFile,BufRead *.stupidoldextension set filetype=goodextension" | 16:59 |
| rick_h | _stink_: permanent? or just once? | 16:59 |
| rick_h | yea, set ft= | 16:59 |
| _stink_ | permanent. | 16:59 |
| _stink_ | awesome, thanks. | 17:00 |
| snap-l | http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/projc/moving_to_python_from_perl_any_advice/ | 17:24 |
| rick_h | heh, I'd been avoiding looking at that one | 17:26 |
| snap-l | The higher-rated comments are pretty good | 17:26 |
| snap-l | not relying on regexes because Python has good string handling | 17:26 |
| snap-l | Seems pretty even keel | 17:27 |
| Wolfger | Not relying on regexes? Blasphemy! | 17:28 |
| rick_h | that's one of the things I find appealing in the ruby camp | 17:29 |
| rick_h | decent regex usage compared to python | 17:29 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Well, it's there if you need it in Python | 17:29 |
| snap-l | but most of the time with Perl I was using regexes to find out if something was in something | 17:29 |
| rick_h | Wolfger: yea, some people (crazy though they are) find if str.endswidth('txt') easier to read then str./txt$/ or whatever | 17:29 |
| rick_h | or better yet, if 'txt' in str: | 17:30 |
| rick_h | vs whatever perl concoction you feel like today :) | 17:30 |
| Wolfger | if $str =~ m/.txt$/ | 17:31 |
| Wolfger | what's so hard about that? ;-p | 17:31 |
| Wolfger | endswidth? | 17:32 |
| Wolfger | shouldn't that be endswith? | 17:32 |
| snap-l | Nah, it finds any three characters with endswidth. ;) | 17:32 |
| * Wolfger ponders how the width of an end is calculated | 17:33 | |
| Wolfger | (cue "I like big butts" joke in 3..2..1..) | 17:33 |
| rick_h | *sigh* | 17:34 |
| Wolfger | "It'll help for Python3, which unlike Perl6 actually is here, although you wouldn't really notice it." nice comment | 17:34 |
| snap-l | It's the truth | 17:35 |
| snap-l | Perl6 ended up stranded on some asteroid mining mission | 17:35 |
| jrwren | that is actually true | 17:35 |
| jrwren | and a good point. | 17:35 |
| jrwren | in a tight loop the cost of the pcre for simple matching like that is going to get really expensive | 17:35 |
| Wolfger | same commenter: "To the folks hating on Perl, STOP IT. The Perl folks know their shit. Guido is an artist, he knows pretty. Larry Wall is a programmer, he knows performance, and other beardy shit like that. Perl may be one of the uglier languages out there, but it's got every modern paradigm, usually a decade before it gets popular. Feel free to hate on the Ruby folks, but the Perl folks are good. | 17:36 |
| Wolfger | We want them on our side." | 17:36 |
| rick_h | ummm, I'm really not sold on the "but it's got every modern paradigm, usually a decade before it gets popular." | 17:37 |
| Wolfger | Yeah, well... | 17:38 |
| Wolfger | words like "every", "all", "always", "never" really shouldn't be used | 17:39 |
| Wolfger | but people like them | 17:39 |
| rick_h | I'm having a hard time rewriting that in my head as "but it's got many modern paradigms, usually a decade before it gets popular" | 17:40 |
| rick_h | :P | 17:40 |
| Wolfger | "It had many modern paradigms before they were popular" | 17:40 |
| Wolfger | that's my un-hyperbolized translation | 17:41 |
| Wolfger | Perl also has some paradigms that still haven't become popular. :-D | 17:41 |
| jrwren | what does a perl list comprension look like? | 17:42 |
| snap-l | http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/map.html | 17:43 |
| jrwren | not the same | 17:43 |
| jrwren | but nice try | 17:43 |
| snap-l | Where does it fall down? | 17:43 |
| Wolfger | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1112444/perl-equivalent-of-python-list-comprehension | 17:43 |
| jrwren | filter. | 17:43 |
| jrwren | oh right, grep is filter. | 17:44 |
| jrwren | my bad. | 17:44 |
| jrwren | so nested map and grep... yes, i guess i recall that from perl, and i recall liking it. | 17:44 |
| snap-l | It's not very pretty, though. | 17:45 |
| snap-l | (pretty as in pleasent to look at) | 17:45 |
| snap-l | It looks like Perl 6 tries to rectify that somewhat: | 17:46 |
| snap-l | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_programming_languages_(list_comprehension)#Perl_6 | 17:46 |
| snap-l | Jesus, Perl 6 started the design process in 2000 | 17:47 |
| jrwren | yup. | 17:47 |
| jrwren | amazing that py3k eclipsed it. | 17:47 |
| snap-l | At this rate, it'll be the Chinese Democracy / Duke Nukem Forever of programming languages | 17:47 |
| snap-l | and likely suck as hard. | 17:47 |
| Wolfger | Perl6 already is the Duke Nukem Forever of programming languages. | 17:48 |
| Wolfger | although supporters will tell you Perl 6 really exists and you can program in it.... | 17:49 |
| Wolfger | I think they are delusional | 17:49 |
| Wolfger | Much like anybody who thought KDE4 was usable when it got released. | 17:49 |
| snap-l | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Democracy | 17:49 |
| greg-g | is that the article on oxymorons? | 18:10 |
| Wolfger | greg-g: this is snap-l we're talking about... it's about heavy metal :-p | 18:12 |
| Wolfger | (is g'n'r considered metal?) | 18:13 |
| greg-g | Wolfger: snap-l's link | 18:13 |
| greg-g | and gnr metal? no. | 18:13 |
| snap-l | Well, Metal is a tricky definition | 18:15 |
| snap-l | Zeppelin is considered Heavy Metal | 18:15 |
| snap-l | so G'nR is technically metal | 18:16 |
| snap-l | Though I tend to put them in the less glam end of glam metal | 18:16 |
| snap-l | we could spend all day with that definition | 18:18 |
| Wolfger | kinda like "what is sci fi?" | 18:18 |
| snap-l | Exactly | 18:18 |
| snap-l | And when is Sci Fi no longer Sci Fi, but Fantasy | 18:19 |
| Wolfger | most people would say Star Wars is definitive sci fi, but really it's much more high fantasy | 18:19 |
| jrwren | the grammys have a hard rock/metal category | 18:20 |
| snap-l | jrwren: The Grammys doesn't know the difference between Jethro Tull and Slayer | 18:21 |
| Wolfger | Tull!!!! \m/ | 18:21 |
| snap-l | The fact that they still have a world music category means they're clueless. | 18:22 |
| snap-l | No disrespect to Foo Fighters, but they shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as Lamb of God / Testament, etc. | 18:23 |
| Wolfger | you mean, like you just did right there? | 18:23 |
| snap-l | Yep | 18:24 |
| Wolfger | snap-l is a paradox | 18:24 |
| * snap-l preps to head to the gallows. | 18:24 | |
| snap-l | right now I'm a paradockers and a sweater. | 18:24 |
| * Wolfger groans | 18:24 | |
| snap-l | I <3 that Sony got caught raising the price of Whitney Houston albums on iTunes after her death | 18:25 |
| snap-l | 30 minutes afterward. | 18:25 |
| snap-l | Sleazy. | 18:25 |
| Wolfger | very | 18:27 |
| Wolfger | Somebody died. PROFIT!!!!! | 18:27 |
| Wolfger | They are saying it was a mistake. | 18:30 |
| Wolfger | in unrelated news, they are also trying to sell the Brooklyn Bridge | 18:30 |
| jrwren | snap-l: agreed. i LMAO when I saw foo fighters won that category. | 18:34 |
| jrwren | i wouldn't have called foo fighters hard rock. | 18:35 |
| jrwren | its pop rock. | 18:35 |
| jrwren | its pretty easy to argue that it doesn't get any more pop rock and foo fighters | 18:35 |
| jrwren | *than foo fighters | 18:35 |
| Wolfger | mmm.... Pop Rocks..... | 18:36 |
| Wolfger | do they still sell those? | 18:36 |
| jrwren | ... i just realized how much the unity launcher bar looks like windowmaker's bar | 18:36 |
| jrwren | yes, poprocks are still around. the react with coke almost a nicely as mentos | 18:36 |
| brousch | Wolfger: pop rocks, yes. my son just had his first hit a couple of weeks ago | 18:40 |
| Wolfger | LOL @ "first hit" | 18:40 |
| ColonelPanic001 | heh | 18:43 |
| greg-g | ok, I just did my first all-on-github fork, change, send merge request thingy | 18:46 |
| greg-g | it was a one-line patch, but that in-browser editor was cool | 18:46 |
| brousch | greg-g++ | 18:51 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Yeah, it's pretty awesome. | 19:00 |
| rick_h | greg-g: yea, it's perfect for that stuff. | 19:32 |
| rick_h | <3 https://twitter.com/#!/palendae/status/170229013112033280 | 19:33 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Isnt that the truth | 19:37 |
| snap-l | Every time I've upgraded Tracks and they add something to it, I wonder "What'll break now" | 19:38 |
| Wolfger | Oh noes! The cancelled my Amazon order! (or so the e-mail in my spam folder tells me) | 20:01 |
| Wolfger | I guess if you send out enough of those, you'll get a fair number of people who actually are waiting for an order to be delivered. | 20:02 |
| Wolfger | Congress needs to pass a bi-partisan bill declaring "spam prevention" to be justification for homicide. | 20:03 |
| brousch | snap-l: do you still have your kobo? | 20:36 |
| snap-l | yes | 20:36 |
| brousch | i have heard it's very hackable | 20:36 |
| snap-l | It can be | 20:36 |
| brousch | you can install debian on it | 20:37 |
| snap-l | Though there was one gent who was hacking it, and then abruptly stopped | 20:37 |
| snap-l | For a while they seemed the most Linux friendly out of the eReader crek | 20:38 |
| snap-l | crew | 20:38 |
| greg-g | floating down the ereader creek | 20:42 |
| snap-l | 'bout the size of it | 20:43 |
| snap-l | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/02/16/1733229/windowmaker-development-resumes-has-first-release-since-2006 | 20:51 |
| brousch | heh | 20:53 |
| brousch | i think i tried that back in 2006/2007 as a remote desktop for people on dial-up | 20:53 |
| brousch | using nx | 20:53 |
| jrwren | snap-l: that is why I mentioned WM earlier. | 21:15 |
| rick_h | gah, buildout is getting annoying | 21:41 |
| brousch | at least you have figured out how to use it | 21:44 |
| rick_h | I don't think so...I can't figure out how the @#$@# to get this test runner working right | 21:45 |
| rick_h | it builds a package, but wtf...grrrr too much magic in here | 21:46 |
| rick_h | oh sweet, got it I think | 21:48 |
| brousch | rick_h: you'll be so proud. i just deleted my aptana pydev eclipse ide because vim is teh awesome | 23:29 |
| Blazeix | oh, didn't rick_h mention it? he's switched over to eclipse for his day-to-day python dev. | 23:32 |
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