[01:32] Yo, is chc tonight? [01:33] yep [01:33] Where? [01:35] http://coffeehousecode.appspot.com/locations/detroit.html [01:35] Guess you moved it, cause no one is at carribou. [01:36] Sweet se us on a few. [01:36] dude, been here for nearly a year [02:33] yo [02:33] yo [02:33] email sent [02:41] sweet [02:42] I dont like replacing outdoor halogen lightbulbs [02:42] they scare me [02:42] always pop and break when I touch them [04:27] I like Canonical's application system [04:27] Very clean. Very quick. [11:26] morning [11:29] morning [11:39] good DOTD (maybe, haven't read it) today [12:25] morning [12:27] rick_h: Yeah, it's pretty good [12:28] and most of the reviews on the site are "doesn't measure with code complete", and "I don't like their commenting style" [12:28] (most of the bad reviews) [12:29] http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596802301.do#PowerReview [12:36] Wow. Thoughtful and insightful reviews. [12:37] Not used to seeing that. :-) [12:43] I wish magazine sampler CDs came with at least a multimedia section that told you (once you toss the flimsy disk jacket they package it in) what was on the disc. [13:49] Hello from the other side. :) [13:50] other side of what? [13:51] his house [13:51] ...or does he have a "real" job now? ;-) [13:51] Wolfger: I'm in an office now [13:52] and my other job was a "real" job [13:52] just didn't have me "really" doing much. :) [13:52] bah. Working from home isn't a real job. [13:52] It's having a benefactor. [13:52] :-) [13:52] (so says the voice of envy) [13:53] Wolfger: Heh [13:53] Letting it slide before I rip you open like a pinata and tear out the candy bits inside. ;) [14:02] no candy inside today. Only bagels [14:15] you know, if I'd never met snap-l in person, I'd think he was big, mean, and tough... [14:15] really? [14:15] i think he's a teddy bear who likes to headbang [14:16] yeah, pretty much [14:16] but he talks a mean game in IRC [14:17] ripping people open and whatnot [14:17] pinatas are not particularly hard to rip open [14:18] so his plan is to blindly tap you with a stick and hope you explode [14:25] Wolfger: I am big and mean. :) [14:25] But mostly I'm just into hyperbole. :) [14:27] snap-l: more like big and ill-humored [14:33] You haven't seen angry me [14:33] It's not pretty [14:33] I'm a laser-beam of destruction [14:39] * snap-l listens to music to soothe the savage beast: Revocation - Chaos of Forms [14:43] anyone know what the ab "time per request mean across all concurrent" is actually measuring? [14:47] jrwren: context? [14:48] ab the apache benchmark tool [14:49] jrwren: I can't say for 100% just read into the description [14:49] Ah [14:50] http://serverfault.com/questions/153480/how-to-interpret-ab-result [14:50] jrwren: ^^ [14:56] rick_h: how did you know that i joined goodreads? [14:57] brousch: I got an email notification [14:57] geekers [15:00] they wanted to spam all my FB friends, but i think i stopped it [15:01] ah, gotcha [15:01] well I wasn't on that list :) [15:02] i didn't realize it would email everyone in my contacts [15:03] going through these book ratings and lists makes me realize how little i've read [15:10] hm, going through children's books "neil gaiman: the graveyard book" [15:17] yeah, i googled and read adn found that serverault, but that didn't help. [15:18] jrwren: What's the specific question, then? [15:18] afaict its actually just time per request mean divided by concurrency number. [15:18] which is fine. [15:18] i am just not sure why that is a useful number. [15:18] snap-l: if you ever need to contact all of the lame-os on LP that are a part of Ubuntu Michigan, blog.launchpad.net/?p=3198 [15:19] greg_g: Oh, very handy. :) [15:19] (lame-os == those who aren't subscribed to the mailing list) === greg_g is now known as greg-g [15:19] <_stink_> oh, i thought you meant we are all lame-os. [15:20] _stink_: that's how I took it. :) [15:20] <_stink_> :P [15:20] Hey, I included myself in that set. :) [15:21] i don't use a lame os, i use kubuntu! [15:22] You're in denial. [15:22] It's OK. We're here to help. [15:23] screw you guys, i'm going back to #kubuntu-us-mi they're much more supportive [15:23] how would you type/spell "lame-os"? [15:23] "greg-g" :P [15:23] brousch: liar [15:24] /join #kubuntu-us-mi --> empty [15:37] hm, i think i just spammed twitter with about 100 books that i read [15:37] er, facebook [15:38] As long as it isn't twitter, I don't care. :) [15:39] right, but i do [16:05] brousch: I also got an email from you [16:05] From: Ben Rousch [16:06] I didn't get spammed by brousch [16:08] he doesn't love you as much as me [16:08] hah [16:11] snap-l: interesting. you're probably using an email address i don't have [16:12] craig@decafbad.net [16:13] If you used GMail to create an account, then I'm likely not in there. :) [16:14] heh. sylvain hellgarouch accepted the friend request [16:14] i feel 1337 [16:17] i tried to add jodee and got "Sorry, you have reached our daily limit for the number of friend requests. Please try again later." [16:26] Yeah, you need at least 3 to friend her. [16:26] She's 1337^2 [16:26] (1787569) [16:29] heh [16:45] good reads is suggesting i read "Pro Drupal Development" [16:48] Well, get to it! [16:50] * brousch tried to send Wolfger the 'pile of poo' symbol and fails [16:52] now you're stuck with your own poo [16:57] <_stink_> anyone know how to tell vim to use a different syntax file than the one it's trying by default for a particular file extension? [16:59] <_stink_> looks like "au BufNewFile,BufRead *.stupidoldextension set filetype=goodextension" [16:59] _stink_: permanent? or just once? [16:59] yea, set ft= [16:59] <_stink_> permanent. [17:00] <_stink_> awesome, thanks. [17:24] http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/projc/moving_to_python_from_perl_any_advice/ [17:26] heh, I'd been avoiding looking at that one [17:26] The higher-rated comments are pretty good [17:26] not relying on regexes because Python has good string handling [17:27] Seems pretty even keel [17:28] Not relying on regexes? Blasphemy! [17:29] that's one of the things I find appealing in the ruby camp [17:29] decent regex usage compared to python [17:29] rick_h: Well, it's there if you need it in Python [17:29] but most of the time with Perl I was using regexes to find out if something was in something [17:29] Wolfger: yea, some people (crazy though they are) find if str.endswidth('txt') easier to read then str./txt$/ or whatever [17:30] or better yet, if 'txt' in str: [17:30] vs whatever perl concoction you feel like today :) [17:31] if $str =~ m/.txt$/ [17:31] what's so hard about that? ;-p [17:32] endswidth? [17:32] shouldn't that be endswith? [17:32] Nah, it finds any three characters with endswidth. ;) [17:33] * Wolfger ponders how the width of an end is calculated [17:33] (cue "I like big butts" joke in 3..2..1..) [17:34] *sigh* [17:34] "It'll help for Python3, which unlike Perl6 actually is here, although you wouldn't really notice it." nice comment [17:35] It's the truth [17:35] Perl6 ended up stranded on some asteroid mining mission [17:35] that is actually true [17:35] and a good point. [17:35] in a tight loop the cost of the pcre for simple matching like that is going to get really expensive [17:36] same commenter: "To the folks hating on Perl, STOP IT. The Perl folks know their shit. Guido is an artist, he knows pretty. Larry Wall is a programmer, he knows performance, and other beardy shit like that. Perl may be one of the uglier languages out there, but it's got every modern paradigm, usually a decade before it gets popular. Feel free to hate on the Ruby folks, but the Perl folks are good. [17:36] We want them on our side." [17:37] ummm, I'm really not sold on the "but it's got every modern paradigm, usually a decade before it gets popular." [17:38] Yeah, well... [17:39] words like "every", "all", "always", "never" really shouldn't be used [17:39] but people like them [17:40] I'm having a hard time rewriting that in my head as "but it's got many modern paradigms, usually a decade before it gets popular" [17:40] :P [17:40] "It had many modern paradigms before they were popular" [17:41] that's my un-hyperbolized translation [17:41] Perl also has some paradigms that still haven't become popular. :-D [17:42] what does a perl list comprension look like? [17:43] http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/map.html [17:43] not the same [17:43] but nice try [17:43] Where does it fall down? [17:43] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1112444/perl-equivalent-of-python-list-comprehension [17:43] filter. [17:44] oh right, grep is filter. [17:44] my bad. [17:44] so nested map and grep... yes, i guess i recall that from perl, and i recall liking it. [17:45] It's not very pretty, though. [17:45] (pretty as in pleasent to look at) [17:46] It looks like Perl 6 tries to rectify that somewhat: [17:46] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_programming_languages_(list_comprehension)#Perl_6 [17:47] Jesus, Perl 6 started the design process in 2000 [17:47] yup. [17:47] amazing that py3k eclipsed it. [17:47] At this rate, it'll be the Chinese Democracy / Duke Nukem Forever of programming languages [17:47] and likely suck as hard. [17:48] Perl6 already is the Duke Nukem Forever of programming languages. [17:49] although supporters will tell you Perl 6 really exists and you can program in it.... [17:49] I think they are delusional [17:49] Much like anybody who thought KDE4 was usable when it got released. [17:49] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Democracy [18:10] is that the article on oxymorons? [18:12] greg-g: this is snap-l we're talking about... it's about heavy metal :-p [18:13] (is g'n'r considered metal?) [18:13] Wolfger: snap-l's link [18:13] and gnr metal? no. [18:15] Well, Metal is a tricky definition [18:15] Zeppelin is considered Heavy Metal [18:16] so G'nR is technically metal [18:16] Though I tend to put them in the less glam end of glam metal [18:18] we could spend all day with that definition [18:18] kinda like "what is sci fi?" [18:18] Exactly [18:19] And when is Sci Fi no longer Sci Fi, but Fantasy [18:19] most people would say Star Wars is definitive sci fi, but really it's much more high fantasy [18:20] the grammys have a hard rock/metal category [18:21] jrwren: The Grammys doesn't know the difference between Jethro Tull and Slayer [18:21] Tull!!!! \m/ [18:22] The fact that they still have a world music category means they're clueless. [18:23] No disrespect to Foo Fighters, but they shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as Lamb of God / Testament, etc. [18:23] you mean, like you just did right there? [18:24] Yep [18:24] snap-l is a paradox [18:24] * snap-l preps to head to the gallows. [18:24] right now I'm a paradockers and a sweater. [18:24] * Wolfger groans [18:25] I <3 that Sony got caught raising the price of Whitney Houston albums on iTunes after her death [18:25] 30 minutes afterward. [18:25] Sleazy. [18:27] very [18:27] Somebody died. PROFIT!!!!! [18:30] They are saying it was a mistake. [18:30] in unrelated news, they are also trying to sell the Brooklyn Bridge [18:34] snap-l: agreed. i LMAO when I saw foo fighters won that category. [18:35] i wouldn't have called foo fighters hard rock. [18:35] its pop rock. [18:35] its pretty easy to argue that it doesn't get any more pop rock and foo fighters [18:35] *than foo fighters [18:36] mmm.... Pop Rocks..... [18:36] do they still sell those? [18:36] ... i just realized how much the unity launcher bar looks like windowmaker's bar [18:36] yes, poprocks are still around. the react with coke almost a nicely as mentos [18:40] Wolfger: pop rocks, yes. my son just had his first hit a couple of weeks ago [18:40] LOL @ "first hit" [18:43] heh [18:46] ok, I just did my first all-on-github fork, change, send merge request thingy [18:46] it was a one-line patch, but that in-browser editor was cool [18:51] greg-g++ [19:00] greg-g: Yeah, it's pretty awesome. [19:32] greg-g: yea, it's perfect for that stuff. [19:33] <3 https://twitter.com/#!/palendae/status/170229013112033280 [19:37] rick_h: Isnt that the truth [19:38] Every time I've upgraded Tracks and they add something to it, I wonder "What'll break now" [20:01] Oh noes! The cancelled my Amazon order! (or so the e-mail in my spam folder tells me) [20:02] I guess if you send out enough of those, you'll get a fair number of people who actually are waiting for an order to be delivered. [20:03] Congress needs to pass a bi-partisan bill declaring "spam prevention" to be justification for homicide. [20:36] snap-l: do you still have your kobo? [20:36] yes [20:36] i have heard it's very hackable [20:36] It can be [20:37] you can install debian on it [20:37] Though there was one gent who was hacking it, and then abruptly stopped [20:38] For a while they seemed the most Linux friendly out of the eReader crek [20:38] crew [20:42] floating down the ereader creek [20:43] 'bout the size of it [20:51] http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/02/16/1733229/windowmaker-development-resumes-has-first-release-since-2006 [20:53] heh [20:53] i think i tried that back in 2006/2007 as a remote desktop for people on dial-up [20:53] using nx [21:15] snap-l: that is why I mentioned WM earlier. [21:41] gah, buildout is getting annoying [21:44] at least you have figured out how to use it [21:45] I don't think so...I can't figure out how the @#$@# to get this test runner working right [21:46] it builds a package, but wtf...grrrr too much magic in here [21:48] oh sweet, got it I think [23:29] rick_h: you'll be so proud. i just deleted my aptana pydev eclipse ide because vim is teh awesome [23:32] oh, didn't rick_h mention it? he's switched over to eclipse for his day-to-day python dev.