[01:32] <PainBank> Yo, is chc tonight?
[01:33] <rick_h> yep
[01:33] <PainBank> Where?
[01:35] <rick_h> http://coffeehousecode.appspot.com/locations/detroit.html
[01:35] <PainBank> Guess you moved it, cause no one is at carribou.
[01:36] <PainBank> Sweet se us on a few.
[01:36] <rick_h> dude, been here for nearly a year
[02:33] <PainBank> yo
[02:33] <rick_h> yo
[02:33] <rick_h> email sent
[02:41] <PainBank> sweet
[02:42] <tjagoda> I dont like replacing outdoor halogen lightbulbs
[02:42] <tjagoda> they scare me
[02:42] <tjagoda> always pop and break when I touch them
[04:27] <tjagoda> I like Canonical's application system
[04:27] <tjagoda> Very clean.  Very quick.
[11:26] <mydogsnameisrudy> morning
[11:29] <rick_h> morning
[11:39] <rick_h> good DOTD (maybe, haven't read it) today
[12:25] <Wolfger> morning
[12:27] <snap-l> rick_h: Yeah, it's pretty good
[12:28] <snap-l> and most of the reviews on the site are "doesn't measure with code complete", and "I don't like their commenting style"
[12:28] <snap-l> (most of the bad reviews)
[12:29] <snap-l> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596802301.do#PowerReview
[12:36] <Wolfger> Wow. Thoughtful and insightful reviews.
[12:37] <Wolfger> Not used to seeing that. :-)
[12:43] <snap-l> I wish magazine sampler CDs came with at least a multimedia section that told you (once you toss the flimsy disk jacket they package it in) what was on the disc.
[13:49] <snap-l> Hello from the other side. :)
[13:50] <brousch> other side of what?
[13:51] <Wolfger> his house
[13:51] <Wolfger> ...or does he have a "real" job now? ;-)
[13:51] <snap-l> Wolfger: I'm in an office now
[13:52] <snap-l> and my other job was a "real" job
[13:52] <snap-l> just didn't have me "really" doing much. :)
[13:52] <Wolfger> bah. Working from home isn't a real job.
[13:52] <Wolfger> It's having a benefactor.
[13:52] <Wolfger> :-)
[13:52] <Wolfger> (so says the voice of envy)
[13:53] <snap-l> Wolfger: Heh
[13:53] <snap-l> Letting it slide before I rip you open like a pinata and tear out the candy bits inside. ;)
[14:02] <Wolfger> no candy inside today. Only bagels
[14:15] <Wolfger> you know, if I'd never met snap-l in person, I'd think he was big, mean, and tough...
[14:15] <brousch> really?
[14:15] <brousch> i think he's a teddy bear who likes to headbang
[14:16] <Wolfger> yeah, pretty much
[14:16] <Wolfger> but he talks a mean game in IRC
[14:17] <Wolfger> ripping people open and whatnot
[14:17] <brousch> pinatas are not particularly hard to rip open
[14:18] <brousch> so his plan is to blindly tap you with a stick and hope you explode
[14:25] <snap-l> Wolfger: I am big and mean. :)
[14:25] <snap-l> But mostly I'm just into hyperbole. :)
[14:27] <Wolfger> snap-l: more like big and ill-humored
[14:33] <snap-l> You haven't seen angry me
[14:33] <snap-l> It's not pretty
[14:33] <snap-l> I'm a laser-beam of destruction
[14:39]  * snap-l listens to music to soothe the savage beast: Revocation - Chaos of Forms
[14:43] <jrwren> anyone know what the ab "time per request mean across all concurrent" is actually measuring?
[14:47] <snap-l> jrwren: context?
[14:48] <rick_h> ab the apache benchmark tool
[14:49] <rick_h> jrwren: I can't say for 100% just read into the description
[14:49] <snap-l> Ah
[14:50] <snap-l> http://serverfault.com/questions/153480/how-to-interpret-ab-result
[14:50] <snap-l> jrwren: ^^
[14:56] <brousch> rick_h: how did you know that i joined goodreads?
[14:57] <rick_h> brousch: I got an email notification
[14:57] <brousch> geekers
[15:00] <brousch> they wanted to spam all my FB friends, but i think i stopped it
[15:01] <rick_h> ah, gotcha
[15:01] <rick_h> well I wasn't on that list :)
[15:02] <brousch> i didn't realize it would email everyone in my contacts
[15:03] <brousch> going through these book ratings and lists makes me realize how little i've read
[15:10] <brousch> hm, going through children's books "neil gaiman: the graveyard book"
[15:17] <jrwren> yeah, i googled and read adn found that serverault, but that didn't help.
[15:18] <snap-l> jrwren: What's the specific question, then?
[15:18] <jrwren> afaict its actually just time per request mean divided by concurrency number.
[15:18] <jrwren> which is fine.
[15:18] <jrwren> i am just not sure why that is a useful number.
[15:18] <greg_g> snap-l: if you ever need to contact all of the lame-os on LP that are a part of Ubuntu Michigan, blog.launchpad.net/?p=3198
[15:19] <snap-l> greg_g: Oh, very handy. :)
[15:19] <greg_g> (lame-os == those who aren't subscribed to the mailing list)
[15:19] <_stink_> oh, i thought you meant we are all lame-os.
[15:20] <snap-l> _stink_: that's how I took it. :)
[15:20] <_stink_> :P
[15:20] <snap-l> Hey, I included myself in that set. :)
[15:21] <brousch> i don't use a lame os, i use kubuntu!
[15:22] <snap-l> You're in denial.
[15:22] <snap-l> It's OK. We're here to help.
[15:23] <brousch> screw you guys, i'm going back to #kubuntu-us-mi they're much more supportive
[15:23] <greg-g> how would you type/spell "lame-os"?
[15:23] <brousch> "greg-g" :P
[15:23] <greg-g> brousch: liar
[15:24] <greg-g>  /join #kubuntu-us-mi  --> empty
[15:37] <brousch> hm, i think i just spammed twitter with about 100 books that i read
[15:37] <brousch> er, facebook
[15:38] <snap-l> As long as it isn't twitter, I don't care. :)
[15:39] <brousch> right, but i do
[16:05] <greg-g> brousch: I also got an email from you
[16:05] <greg-g> From: Ben Rousch <noreply@mail.goodreads.com>
[16:06] <snap-l> I didn't get spammed by brousch
[16:08] <greg-g> he doesn't love you as much as me
[16:08] <snap-l> hah
[16:11] <brousch> snap-l: interesting. you're probably using an email address i don't have
[16:12] <snap-l> craig@decafbad.net
[16:13] <snap-l> If you used GMail to create an account, then I'm likely not in there. :)
[16:14] <brousch> heh. sylvain hellgarouch accepted the friend request
[16:14] <brousch> i feel 1337
[16:17] <brousch> i tried to add jodee and got "Sorry, you have reached our daily limit for the number of friend requests. Please try again later."
[16:26] <snap-l> Yeah, you need at least 3 to friend her.
[16:26] <snap-l> She's 1337^2
[16:26] <snap-l> (1787569)
[16:29] <brousch> heh
[16:45] <brousch> good reads is suggesting i read "Pro Drupal Development"
[16:48] <Wolfger> Well, get to it!
[16:50]  * brousch tried to send Wolfger the 'pile of poo' symbol and fails
[16:52] <Wolfger> now you're stuck with your own poo
[16:57] <_stink_> anyone know how to tell vim to use a different syntax file than the one it's trying by default for a particular file extension?
[16:59] <_stink_> looks like "au BufNewFile,BufRead *.stupidoldextension set filetype=goodextension"
[16:59] <rick_h> _stink_: permanent? or just once?
[16:59] <rick_h> yea, set ft=
[16:59] <_stink_> permanent.
[17:00] <_stink_> awesome, thanks.
[17:24] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/projc/moving_to_python_from_perl_any_advice/
[17:26] <rick_h> heh, I'd been avoiding looking at that one
[17:26] <snap-l> The higher-rated comments are pretty good
[17:26] <snap-l> not relying on regexes because Python has good string handling
[17:27] <snap-l> Seems pretty even keel
[17:28] <Wolfger> Not relying on regexes? Blasphemy!
[17:29] <rick_h> that's one of the things I find appealing in the ruby camp
[17:29] <rick_h> decent regex usage compared to python
[17:29] <snap-l> rick_h: Well, it's there if you need it in Python
[17:29] <snap-l> but most of the time with Perl I was using regexes to find out if something was in something
[17:29] <rick_h> Wolfger: yea, some people (crazy though they are) find if str.endswidth('txt') easier to read then str./txt$/ or whatever
[17:30] <rick_h> or better yet, if 'txt' in str:
[17:30] <rick_h> vs whatever perl concoction you feel like today :)
[17:31] <Wolfger> if $str =~ m/.txt$/
[17:31] <Wolfger> what's so hard about that? ;-p
[17:32] <Wolfger> endswidth?
[17:32] <Wolfger> shouldn't that be endswith?
[17:32] <snap-l> Nah, it finds any three characters with endswidth. ;)
[17:33]  * Wolfger ponders how the width of an end is calculated
[17:33] <Wolfger> (cue "I like big butts" joke in 3..2..1..)
[17:34] <rick_h> *sigh*
[17:34] <Wolfger> "It'll help for Python3, which unlike Perl6 actually is here, although you wouldn't really notice it." nice comment
[17:35] <snap-l> It's the truth
[17:35] <snap-l> Perl6 ended up stranded on some asteroid mining mission
[17:35] <jrwren> that is actually true
[17:35] <jrwren> and a good point.
[17:35] <jrwren> in a tight loop the cost of the pcre for simple matching like that is going to get really expensive
[17:36] <Wolfger> same commenter: "To the folks hating on Perl, STOP IT. The Perl folks know their shit. Guido is an artist, he knows pretty. Larry Wall is a programmer, he knows performance, and other beardy shit like that. Perl may be one of the uglier languages out there, but it's got every modern paradigm, usually a decade before it gets popular. Feel free to hate on the Ruby folks, but the Perl folks are good.
[17:36] <Wolfger>  We want them on our side."
[17:37] <rick_h> ummm, I'm really not sold on the "but it's got every modern paradigm, usually a decade before it gets popular."
[17:38] <Wolfger> Yeah, well...
[17:39] <Wolfger> words like "every", "all", "always", "never" really shouldn't be used
[17:39] <Wolfger> but people like them
[17:40] <rick_h> I'm having a hard time rewriting that in my head as "but it's got many modern paradigms, usually a decade before it gets popular"
[17:40] <rick_h> :P
[17:40] <Wolfger> "It had many modern paradigms before they were popular"
[17:41] <Wolfger> that's my un-hyperbolized translation
[17:41] <Wolfger> Perl also has some paradigms that still haven't become popular. :-D
[17:42] <jrwren> what does a perl list comprension look like?
[17:43] <snap-l> http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/map.html
[17:43] <jrwren> not the same
[17:43] <jrwren> but nice try
[17:43] <snap-l> Where does it fall down?
[17:43] <Wolfger> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1112444/perl-equivalent-of-python-list-comprehension
[17:43] <jrwren> filter.
[17:44] <jrwren> oh right, grep is filter.
[17:44] <jrwren> my bad.
[17:44] <jrwren> so nested map and grep... yes, i guess i recall that from perl, and i recall liking it.
[17:45] <snap-l> It's not very pretty, though.
[17:45] <snap-l> (pretty as in pleasent to look at)
[17:46] <snap-l> It looks like Perl 6 tries to rectify that somewhat:
[17:46] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_programming_languages_(list_comprehension)#Perl_6
[17:47] <snap-l> Jesus, Perl 6 started the design process in 2000
[17:47] <jrwren> yup.
[17:47] <jrwren> amazing that py3k eclipsed it.
[17:47] <snap-l> At this rate, it'll be the Chinese Democracy / Duke Nukem Forever of programming languages
[17:47] <snap-l> and likely suck as hard.
[17:48] <Wolfger> Perl6 already is the Duke Nukem Forever of programming languages.
[17:49] <Wolfger> although supporters will tell you Perl 6 really exists and you can program in it....
[17:49] <Wolfger> I think they are delusional
[17:49] <Wolfger> Much like anybody who thought KDE4 was usable when it got released.
[17:49] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Democracy
[18:10] <greg-g> is that the article on oxymorons?
[18:12] <Wolfger> greg-g: this is snap-l we're talking about... it's about heavy metal :-p
[18:13] <Wolfger> (is g'n'r considered metal?)
[18:13] <greg-g> Wolfger: snap-l's link
[18:13] <greg-g> and gnr metal? no.
[18:15] <snap-l> Well, Metal is a tricky definition
[18:15] <snap-l> Zeppelin is considered Heavy Metal
[18:16] <snap-l> so G'nR is technically metal
[18:16] <snap-l> Though I tend to put them in the less glam end of glam metal
[18:18] <snap-l> we could spend all day with that definition
[18:18] <Wolfger> kinda like "what is sci fi?"
[18:18] <snap-l> Exactly
[18:19] <snap-l> And when is Sci Fi no longer Sci Fi, but Fantasy
[18:19] <Wolfger> most people would say Star Wars is definitive sci fi, but really it's much more high fantasy
[18:20] <jrwren> the grammys have a hard rock/metal category
[18:21] <snap-l> jrwren: The Grammys doesn't know the difference between Jethro Tull and Slayer
[18:21] <Wolfger> Tull!!!! \m/
[18:22] <snap-l> The fact that they still have a world music category means they're clueless.
[18:23] <snap-l> No disrespect to Foo Fighters, but they shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as Lamb of God / Testament, etc.
[18:23] <Wolfger> you mean, like you just did right there?
[18:24] <snap-l> Yep
[18:24] <Wolfger> snap-l is a paradox
[18:24]  * snap-l preps to head to the gallows.
[18:24] <snap-l> right now I'm a paradockers and a sweater.
[18:24]  * Wolfger groans
[18:25] <snap-l> I <3 that Sony got caught raising the price of Whitney Houston albums on iTunes after her death
[18:25] <snap-l> 30 minutes afterward.
[18:25] <snap-l> Sleazy.
[18:27] <Wolfger> very
[18:27] <Wolfger> Somebody died. PROFIT!!!!!
[18:30] <Wolfger> They are saying it was a mistake.
[18:30] <Wolfger> in unrelated news, they are also trying to sell the Brooklyn Bridge
[18:34] <jrwren> snap-l: agreed. i LMAO when I saw foo fighters won that category.
[18:35] <jrwren> i wouldn't have called foo fighters hard rock.
[18:35] <jrwren> its pop rock.
[18:35] <jrwren> its pretty easy to argue that it doesn't get any more pop rock and foo fighters
[18:35] <jrwren> *than foo fighters
[18:36] <Wolfger> mmm.... Pop Rocks.....
[18:36] <Wolfger> do they still sell those?
[18:36] <jrwren> ... i just realized how much the unity launcher bar looks like windowmaker's bar
[18:36] <jrwren> yes, poprocks are still around. the react with coke almost a nicely as mentos
[18:40] <brousch> Wolfger: pop rocks, yes. my son just had his first hit a couple of weeks ago
[18:40] <Wolfger> LOL @ "first hit"
[18:43] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[18:46] <greg-g> ok, I just did my first all-on-github fork, change, send merge request thingy
[18:46] <greg-g> it was a one-line patch, but that in-browser editor was cool
[18:51] <brousch> greg-g++
[19:00] <snap-l> greg-g: Yeah, it's pretty awesome.
[19:32] <rick_h> greg-g: yea, it's perfect for that stuff.
[19:33] <rick_h> <3 https://twitter.com/#!/palendae/status/170229013112033280
[19:37] <snap-l> rick_h: Isnt that the truth
[19:38] <snap-l> Every time I've upgraded Tracks and they add something to it, I wonder "What'll break now"
[20:01] <Wolfger> Oh noes! The cancelled my Amazon order! (or so the e-mail in my spam folder tells me)
[20:02] <Wolfger> I guess if you send out enough of those, you'll get a fair number of people who actually are waiting for an order to be delivered.
[20:03] <Wolfger> Congress needs to pass a bi-partisan bill declaring "spam prevention" to be justification for homicide.
[20:36] <brousch> snap-l: do you still have your kobo?
[20:36] <snap-l> yes
[20:36] <brousch> i have heard it's very hackable
[20:36] <snap-l> It can be
[20:37] <brousch> you can install debian on it
[20:37] <snap-l> Though there was one gent who was hacking it, and then abruptly stopped
[20:38] <snap-l> For a while they seemed the most Linux friendly out of the eReader crek
[20:38] <snap-l> crew
[20:42] <greg-g> floating down the ereader creek
[20:43] <snap-l> 'bout the size of it
[20:51] <snap-l> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/02/16/1733229/windowmaker-development-resumes-has-first-release-since-2006
[20:53] <brousch> heh
[20:53] <brousch> i think i tried that back in 2006/2007 as a remote desktop for people on dial-up
[20:53] <brousch> using nx
[21:15] <jrwren> snap-l: that is why I mentioned WM earlier.
[21:41] <rick_h> gah, buildout is getting annoying
[21:44] <brousch> at least you have figured out how to use it
[21:45] <rick_h> I don't think so...I can't figure out how the @#$@# to get this test runner working right
[21:46] <rick_h> it builds a package, but wtf...grrrr too much magic in here
[21:48] <rick_h> oh sweet, got it I think
[23:29] <brousch> rick_h: you'll be so proud. i just deleted my aptana pydev eclipse ide because vim is teh awesome
[23:32] <Blazeix> oh, didn't rick_h mention it? he's switched over to eclipse for his day-to-day python dev.