| inetpro | good mornings | 04:47 |
|---|---|---|
| * Kilos greets all of you guys | 08:00 | |
| Kerbero | dag | 08:55 |
| Kilos | hiya superfly and others | 17:38 |
| Kilos | hi psychicist | 17:39 |
| Kilos | inetpro, doesnt work copying them | 17:39 |
| Kilos | inetpro, look at apt-move. will that change the structure of archives | 17:44 |
| Kilos | and debarchiver | 17:47 |
| inetpro | Kilos: apt-move looks promising indeed | 18:07 |
| psychicist | hi Kilos | 18:07 |
| psychicist | hi inetpro | 18:07 |
| inetpro | psychicist: hi | 18:07 |
| Kilos | bad to not be able to give up hey? | 18:08 |
| inetpro | Kilos: no | 18:09 |
| inetpro | not bad at all | 18:09 |
| Kilos | im sure somewhere in the update command like after half way is the part that tells update to look what is available in archives | 18:10 |
| Kilos | who knows where the command update can be found for analysis | 18:12 |
| Kilos | psychicist, come on you into the he3avy stuff | 18:13 |
| psychicist | Kilos, I know some stuff but I'm not a Debian/Ubuntu expert | 18:14 |
| psychicist | I did have to use "apt-get -f install" and "apt-get check" during the last few days to fix some stuff, though | 18:14 |
| inetpro | Kilos: if you look at the details of a package, say for example the package 'abrowser' you can see where it is stored in the repository structures | 18:16 |
| inetpro | look at the line that starts with filename in the following command | 18:17 |
| inetpro | aptitude -v show abrowser | 18:17 |
| * Kilos goes to look | 18:18 | |
| inetpro | or rathe the line that starts with 'Filename:' | 18:18 |
| inetpro | this information is stored in the stuff that get's pulled when you do aptitude update | 18:19 |
| inetpro | eg, in my case /var/lib/apt/lists/za.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_oneiric_main_binary-i386_Packages | 18:19 |
| Kilos | you have it installed?? | 18:20 |
| Kilos | my filename says -Filename: pool/main/f/firefox/abrowser_3.6.10+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu3_all.deb | 18:21 |
| Kilos | MD5sum: c4643fb1b271549556bf85665e1ffe5f | 18:21 |
| Kilos | but its not installed | 18:21 |
| inetpro | Kilos: sure thing | 18:22 |
| inetpro | Kilos: but if you had the deb file in your /var/cache/archives it would not need to go fetch it again | 18:23 |
| inetpro | on the other hand if you had the complete mirror of the ubuntu repository that file would be somewhere in a folder starting with pool/main/f... | 18:25 |
| Kilos | ah | 18:25 |
| inetpro | in fact /some_base_folder/pool/main/f... | 18:25 |
| Kilos | that thread add repo just frustrated me | 18:26 |
| Kilos | it seems no one thinks maverick is a good place to stay | 18:26 |
| Kilos | i dont understand why would one need to go to more advanced software that isnt happy on an old machine | 18:27 |
| Kilos | there must be millions of peeps worldwide that cant upgrade their pc's | 18:28 |
| Kilos | wow apt-move is tiny | 18:30 |
| afrodeity | exit | 18:34 |
| afrodeity | uit | 18:34 |
| afrodeity | exit | 18:34 |
| Kilos | it has commands like getlocal and localupdate | 18:34 |
| Kilos | hehe | 18:34 |
| Kilos | been a year since he last ranted about ubuntu\ | 18:35 |
| Kilos | must be happy with unity | 18:35 |
| inetpro | Kilos: or he is no longer using it | 18:43 |
| Kilos | oh ya | 18:43 |
| Kilos | hehe | 18:43 |
| Kilos | i will ask him next time | 18:44 |
| Kilos | he has visited often recently | 18:44 |
| psychicist | can you use Xubuntu or Lubuntu or are there major downsides to those? | 18:47 |
| psychicist | I probably won't be able to use newer Ubuntu releases on my old laptop either | 18:47 |
| Kilos | i tried xubuntu psychicist but its not gnome and i am kinda brainwashed ggnomewise | 18:48 |
| Kilos | what you call old? | 18:48 |
| Kilos | i like top and bottom panels and 9 workspaces | 18:49 |
| psychicist | 10 years old, Pentium 3 1 GHz with 512 MB of memory | 18:49 |
| Kilos | also i have a working maverick and data limitations so using other releases is outa the question anyweay | 18:50 |
| Kilos | and what graphics? | 18:50 |
| psychicist | yeah, I want to have a reasonable user experience too even on older hardware | 18:50 |
| psychicist | 8 MB ATI Rage XL | 18:50 |
| Kilos | 8m? | 18:50 |
| Kilos | my card is 32m | 18:50 |
| Kilos | and thats whats blocking unity | 18:51 |
| Kilos | but your lappy is fast enough, might just need to get more ram | 18:51 |
| Kilos | ubuntu loves ram | 18:51 |
| Kilos | pity you so far i have a dd2 lappy ram here 512m | 18:56 |
| Kilos | ddr2 | 18:56 |
| psychicist | yes, I know it loves ram | 18:56 |
| psychicist | my desktop is a lot more powerful, though | 18:56 |
| psychicist | it has a quadcore processor and 6 gb of ram | 18:57 |
| Kilos | wow that must be wonderful | 18:57 |
| Kilos | like a rocket ship | 18:57 |
| psychicist | yeah, it is | 18:58 |
| psychicist | but you know, I bought it about three years ago and still don't feel much of a need to upgrade | 18:59 |
| Kilos | lol you shouldnt for a long while | 18:59 |
| Kilos | unless you using win 7 | 18:59 |
| Kilos | that seems kinda bloated or slow | 19:00 |
| inetpro | Kilos: perhaps you should try DSL | 19:00 |
| Kilos | what is that inetpro ? | 19:00 |
| inetpro | Damn Small Linux | 19:00 |
| inetpro | a very versatile 50MB mini desktop oriented Linux distribution | 19:00 |
| Kilos | no it needs to download apps everytime you start | 19:01 |
| inetpro | nee man | 19:02 |
| Kilos | ja | 19:02 |
| inetpro | http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/applications.html | 19:02 |
| inetpro | All these applications are part of the base distribution, through our MyDSL system it is possible to grab hundreds of other applications with a couple of clicks of the mouse, or make your own custom CD with exactly the applications you want | 19:02 |
| Kilos | you also advising me away from ubuntu? | 19:03 |
| inetpro | Kilos: nie rerig nie :-) | 19:03 |
| Kilos | is it gnome? | 19:03 |
| inetpro | no ways | 19:03 |
| Kilos | what destop ui | 19:04 |
| inetpro | DSL is meant to be fast and light on PCs with minimal resources | 19:04 |
| Kilos | ya that other guy used it onna p2 | 19:04 |
| Kilos | but i am sure he said you need to install apps everytime | 19:04 |
| inetpro | Minimum Requirements for DSL with X-Window: i486, 24 MB RAM | 19:05 |
| psychicist | I don't like this tendency to bloat simple window managers, gnome should stay relatively lightweight and all the other stuff optional | 19:06 |
| Kilos | so no top and bottom panels | 19:06 |
| psychicist | but maybe there is no way out and eventually you'll have to give in and buy a new computer, if you can afford it ... | 19:06 |
| inetpro | yep, I suggest you start saving | 19:07 |
| Kilos | na will work a way to keep maverick going | 19:07 |
| Kilos | sigh | 19:08 |
| Kilos | 50m is 2 weeks data | 19:11 |
| Kilos | you dont buy a new car because the tyres are smooth | 19:12 |
| Kilos | hey zeref zeref-Lap | 19:14 |
| Kilos | which one are you | 19:14 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee on | 19:14 |
| * Maaz starts grinding coffee | 19:14 | |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee for all | 19:15 |
| Maaz | Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already | 19:15 |
| Kilos | what does this mean in english | 19:17 |
| Kilos | This tool can create a potato like file structure that dselect, | 19:17 |
| Kilos | apt-get and similar tools can use for easier installation. | 19:17 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for Kilos! | 19:18 |
| Kilos | Maaz, ty | 19:20 |
| Maaz | You are welcome Kilos | 19:20 |
| Kilos | night guys , sleep tight | 19:25 |
| Tonberry | i have a question to anyone using vim for a long time | 19:42 |
| Tonberry | how do you type on a normal text editor? | 19:42 |
| inetpro | Tonberry: I don't get the question | 19:44 |
| Tonberry | im trying to change some code in visual c# | 19:45 |
| Tonberry | every thing ends up like jjj [esc] u | 19:45 |
| Tonberry | then i laugh at myself for a minute | 19:46 |
| Tonberry | not very productive | 19:46 |
| inetpro | ahh :-) | 19:46 |
| * inetpro wonders why apt-move is not doing what it's supposed to do on oneiric | 19:48 | |
| superfly | Tonberry: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/110477/anyone-know-of-any-free-open-source-vi-integration-for-visual-studio | 19:48 |
| Tonberry | ooh | 19:49 |
| inetpro | the following page seems a bit old but things should still work this way if you ask me https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptMoveHowto | 19:50 |
| inetpro | it creates my mirror file structure but doesn't copy the actual files | 19:50 |
| inetpro | ahh | 20:04 |
| inetpro | at the office on lucid apt-move still works perfectly | 20:05 |
| inetpro | Maaz: tell kilos I think apt-move can do the job perfectly for you. See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptMoveHowto | 20:05 |
| Maaz | inetpro: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode | 20:05 |
| inetpro | Maaz: tell kilos then again, apt-move won't take care of universe and multiverse packages. It is and interesting package nevertheless and it is surprising that no-one seems to have spent some tme to create something like this specific for Ubuntu. | 20:24 |
| Maaz | inetpro: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode | 20:24 |
| inetpro | Maaz: ask kilos Why are you not just using APTonCD ? | 20:37 |
| Maaz | inetpro: Sure, I'll ask Kilos on freenode | 20:37 |
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