inetprogood mornings04:47
* Kilos greets all of you guys08:00
Kiloshiya superfly and others17:38
Kiloshi psychicist 17:39
Kilosinetpro, doesnt work copying them17:39
Kilosinetpro, look at apt-move. will  that change the structure of archives17:44
Kilosand debarchiver17:47
inetproKilos: apt-move looks promising indeed18:07
psychicisthi Kilos 18:07
psychicisthi inetpro 18:07
inetpropsychicist: hi18:07
Kilosbad to not be able to give up hey?18:08
inetproKilos: no18:09
inetpronot bad at all18:09
Kilosim sure somewhere in the update command like after half way is the part that tells update to look what is available in archives18:10
Kiloswho knows where the command update can be found for analysis18:12
Kilospsychicist, come on you into the he3avy stuff18:13
psychicistKilos, I know some stuff but I'm not a Debian/Ubuntu expert18:14
psychicistI did have to use "apt-get -f install" and "apt-get check" during the last few days to fix some stuff, though18:14
inetproKilos: if you look at the details of a package, say for example the package 'abrowser' you can see where it is stored in the repository structures18:16
inetprolook at the line that starts with filename in the following command18:17
inetproaptitude -v show abrowser18:17
* Kilos goes to look18:18
inetproor rathe the line that starts with 'Filename:'18:18
inetprothis information is stored in the stuff that get's pulled when you do aptitude update18:19
inetproeg, in my case /var/lib/apt/lists/za.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_oneiric_main_binary-i386_Packages18:19
Kilosyou have it installed??18:20
Kilosmy filename says -Filename: pool/main/f/firefox/abrowser_3.6.10+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu3_all.deb18:21
KilosMD5sum: c4643fb1b271549556bf85665e1ffe5f18:21
Kilosbut its not installed18:21
inetproKilos: sure thing18:22
inetproKilos: but if you had the deb file in your /var/cache/archives it would not need to go fetch it again18:23
inetproon the other hand if you had the complete mirror of the ubuntu repository that file would be somewhere in a folder starting with pool/main/f...18:25
inetproin fact /some_base_folder/pool/main/f...18:25
Kilosthat thread add repo just frustrated me18:26
Kilosit seems no one thinks maverick is a good place to stay18:26
Kilosi dont understand why would one need to go to more advanced software that isnt happy on an old machine18:27
Kilosthere must be millions of peeps worldwide that cant upgrade their pc's18:28
Kiloswow apt-move is tiny18:30
Kilosit has commands like getlocal and localupdate18:34
Kilosbeen a year since he last ranted about ubuntu\18:35
Kilosmust be happy with unity18:35
inetproKilos: or he is no longer using it18:43
Kilosoh ya18:43
Kilosi will ask him next time18:44
Kiloshe has visited often recently18:44
psychicistcan you use Xubuntu or Lubuntu or are there major downsides to those?18:47
psychicistI probably won't be able to use newer Ubuntu releases on my old laptop either18:47
Kilosi tried xubuntu psychicist but its not gnome and i am kinda brainwashed ggnomewise18:48
Kiloswhat you call old?18:48
Kilosi like top and bottom panels and 9 workspaces18:49
psychicist10 years old, Pentium 3 1 GHz with 512 MB of memory18:49
Kilosalso i have a working maverick and data limitations so using other releases is outa the question anyweay18:50
Kilosand what graphics?18:50
psychicistyeah, I want to have a reasonable user experience too even on older hardware18:50
psychicist8 MB ATI Rage XL18:50
Kilosmy card is 32m18:50
Kilosand thats whats blocking unity18:51
Kilosbut your lappy is fast enough, might just need to get more ram18:51
Kilosubuntu loves ram18:51
Kilospity you so far i have a dd2 lappy ram here 512m18:56
psychicistyes, I know it loves ram18:56
psychicistmy desktop is a lot more powerful, though18:56
psychicistit has a quadcore processor and 6 gb of ram18:57
Kiloswow that must be wonderful18:57
Kiloslike a rocket ship18:57
psychicistyeah, it is18:58
psychicistbut you know, I bought it about three years ago and still don't feel much of a need to upgrade18:59
Kiloslol you shouldnt for a long while18:59
Kilosunless you using win 718:59
Kilosthat seems kinda bloated or slow19:00
inetproKilos: perhaps you should try DSL19:00
Kiloswhat is that inetpro ?19:00
inetproDamn Small Linux19:00
inetproa very versatile 50MB mini desktop oriented Linux distribution19:00
Kilosno it needs to download apps everytime you start19:01
inetpronee man19:02
inetproAll these applications are part of the base distribution, through our MyDSL system it is possible to grab hundreds of other applications with a couple of clicks of the mouse, or make your own custom CD with exactly the applications you want19:02
Kilosyou also advising me away from ubuntu?19:03
inetproKilos: nie rerig nie :-)19:03
Kilosis it gnome?19:03
inetprono ways19:03
Kiloswhat destop ui19:04
inetproDSL is meant to be fast and light on PCs with minimal resources19:04
Kilosya that other guy used it onna p219:04
Kilosbut i am sure he said you need to install apps everytime19:04
inetproMinimum Requirements for DSL with X-Window:      i486,  24 MB RAM 19:05
psychicistI don't like this tendency to bloat simple window managers, gnome should stay relatively lightweight and all the other stuff optional19:06
Kilosso no top and bottom panels19:06
psychicistbut maybe there is no way out and eventually you'll have to give in and buy a new computer, if you can afford it ...19:06
inetproyep, I suggest you start saving19:07
Kilosna will work a way to keep maverick going19:07
Kilos50m is 2 weeks data19:11
Kilosyou dont buy a new car because the tyres are smooth19:12
Kiloshey zeref zeref-Lap 19:14
Kiloswhich one are you19:14
KilosMaaz, coffee on19:14
* Maaz starts grinding coffee19:14
KilosMaaz, coffee for all19:15
MaazCome on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already19:15
Kiloswhat does this mean in english19:17
KilosThis tool can create a potato like file structure that dselect,19:17
Kilosapt-get and similar tools can use for easier installation.19:17
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos!19:18
KilosMaaz, ty19:20
MaazYou are welcome Kilos19:20
Kilosnight guys , sleep tight19:25
Tonberryi have a question to anyone using vim for a long time19:42
Tonberryhow do you type on a normal text editor?19:42
inetproTonberry: I don't get the question19:44
Tonberryim trying to change some code in visual c#19:45
Tonberryevery thing ends up like jjj [esc] u19:45
Tonberrythen i laugh at myself for a minute19:46
Tonberrynot very productive19:46
inetproahh :-)19:46
* inetpro wonders why apt-move is not doing what it's supposed to do on oneiric19:48
superflyTonberry: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/110477/anyone-know-of-any-free-open-source-vi-integration-for-visual-studio19:48
inetprothe following page seems a bit old but things should still work this way if you ask me https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptMoveHowto19:50
inetproit creates my mirror file structure but doesn't copy the actual files19:50
inetproat the office on lucid apt-move still works perfectly20:05
inetproMaaz: tell kilos I think apt-move can do the job perfectly for you. See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptMoveHowto20:05
Maazinetpro: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode20:05
inetproMaaz: tell kilos then again, apt-move won't take care of universe and multiverse packages. It is and interesting package nevertheless and it is surprising that no-one seems to have spent some tme to create something like this specific for Ubuntu.20:24
Maazinetpro: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode20:24
inetproMaaz: ask kilos Why are you not just using APTonCD ?20:37
Maazinetpro: Sure, I'll ask Kilos on freenode20:37

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