[04:47] good mornings [08:00] * Kilos greets all of you guys [08:55] dag [17:38] hiya superfly and others [17:39] hi psychicist [17:39] inetpro, doesnt work copying them [17:44] inetpro, look at apt-move. will that change the structure of archives [17:47] and debarchiver [18:07] Kilos: apt-move looks promising indeed [18:07] hi Kilos [18:07] hi inetpro [18:07] psychicist: hi [18:08] bad to not be able to give up hey? [18:09] Kilos: no [18:09] not bad at all [18:10] im sure somewhere in the update command like after half way is the part that tells update to look what is available in archives [18:12] who knows where the command update can be found for analysis [18:13] psychicist, come on you into the he3avy stuff [18:14] Kilos, I know some stuff but I'm not a Debian/Ubuntu expert [18:14] I did have to use "apt-get -f install" and "apt-get check" during the last few days to fix some stuff, though [18:16] Kilos: if you look at the details of a package, say for example the package 'abrowser' you can see where it is stored in the repository structures [18:17] look at the line that starts with filename in the following command [18:17] aptitude -v show abrowser [18:18] * Kilos goes to look [18:18] or rathe the line that starts with 'Filename:' [18:19] this information is stored in the stuff that get's pulled when you do aptitude update [18:19] eg, in my case /var/lib/apt/lists/za.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_oneiric_main_binary-i386_Packages [18:20] you have it installed?? [18:21] my filename says -Filename: pool/main/f/firefox/abrowser_3.6.10+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu3_all.deb [18:21] MD5sum: c4643fb1b271549556bf85665e1ffe5f [18:21] but its not installed [18:22] Kilos: sure thing [18:23] Kilos: but if you had the deb file in your /var/cache/archives it would not need to go fetch it again [18:25] on the other hand if you had the complete mirror of the ubuntu repository that file would be somewhere in a folder starting with pool/main/f... [18:25] ah [18:25] in fact /some_base_folder/pool/main/f... [18:26] that thread add repo just frustrated me [18:26] it seems no one thinks maverick is a good place to stay [18:27] i dont understand why would one need to go to more advanced software that isnt happy on an old machine [18:28] there must be millions of peeps worldwide that cant upgrade their pc's [18:30] wow apt-move is tiny [18:34] exit [18:34] uit [18:34] exit [18:34] it has commands like getlocal and localupdate [18:34] hehe [18:35] been a year since he last ranted about ubuntu\ [18:35] must be happy with unity [18:43] Kilos: or he is no longer using it [18:43] oh ya [18:43] hehe [18:44] i will ask him next time [18:44] he has visited often recently [18:47] can you use Xubuntu or Lubuntu or are there major downsides to those? [18:47] I probably won't be able to use newer Ubuntu releases on my old laptop either [18:48] i tried xubuntu psychicist but its not gnome and i am kinda brainwashed ggnomewise [18:48] what you call old? [18:49] i like top and bottom panels and 9 workspaces [18:49] 10 years old, Pentium 3 1 GHz with 512 MB of memory [18:50] also i have a working maverick and data limitations so using other releases is outa the question anyweay [18:50] and what graphics? [18:50] yeah, I want to have a reasonable user experience too even on older hardware [18:50] 8 MB ATI Rage XL [18:50] 8m? [18:50] my card is 32m [18:51] and thats whats blocking unity [18:51] but your lappy is fast enough, might just need to get more ram [18:51] ubuntu loves ram [18:56] pity you so far i have a dd2 lappy ram here 512m [18:56] ddr2 [18:56] yes, I know it loves ram [18:56] my desktop is a lot more powerful, though [18:57] it has a quadcore processor and 6 gb of ram [18:57] wow that must be wonderful [18:57] like a rocket ship [18:58] yeah, it is [18:59] but you know, I bought it about three years ago and still don't feel much of a need to upgrade [18:59] lol you shouldnt for a long while [18:59] unless you using win 7 [19:00] that seems kinda bloated or slow [19:00] Kilos: perhaps you should try DSL [19:00] what is that inetpro ? [19:00] Damn Small Linux [19:00] a very versatile 50MB mini desktop oriented Linux distribution [19:01] no it needs to download apps everytime you start [19:02] nee man [19:02] ja [19:02] http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/applications.html [19:02] All these applications are part of the base distribution, through our MyDSL system it is possible to grab hundreds of other applications with a couple of clicks of the mouse, or make your own custom CD with exactly the applications you want [19:03] you also advising me away from ubuntu? [19:03] Kilos: nie rerig nie :-) [19:03] is it gnome? [19:03] no ways [19:04] what destop ui [19:04] DSL is meant to be fast and light on PCs with minimal resources [19:04] ya that other guy used it onna p2 [19:04] but i am sure he said you need to install apps everytime [19:05] Minimum Requirements for DSL with X-Window: i486, 24 MB RAM [19:06] I don't like this tendency to bloat simple window managers, gnome should stay relatively lightweight and all the other stuff optional [19:06] so no top and bottom panels [19:06] but maybe there is no way out and eventually you'll have to give in and buy a new computer, if you can afford it ... [19:07] yep, I suggest you start saving [19:07] na will work a way to keep maverick going [19:08] sigh [19:11] 50m is 2 weeks data [19:12] you dont buy a new car because the tyres are smooth [19:14] hey zeref zeref-Lap [19:14] which one are you [19:14] Maaz, coffee on [19:14] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [19:15] Maaz, coffee for all [19:15] Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already [19:17] what does this mean in english [19:17] This tool can create a potato like file structure that dselect, [19:17] apt-get and similar tools can use for easier installation. [19:18] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [19:20] Maaz, ty [19:20] You are welcome Kilos [19:25] night guys , sleep tight [19:42] i have a question to anyone using vim for a long time [19:42] how do you type on a normal text editor? [19:44] Tonberry: I don't get the question [19:45] im trying to change some code in visual c# [19:45] every thing ends up like jjj [esc] u [19:46] then i laugh at myself for a minute [19:46] not very productive [19:46] ahh :-) [19:48] * inetpro wonders why apt-move is not doing what it's supposed to do on oneiric [19:48] Tonberry: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/110477/anyone-know-of-any-free-open-source-vi-integration-for-visual-studio [19:49] ooh [19:50] the following page seems a bit old but things should still work this way if you ask me https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptMoveHowto [19:50] it creates my mirror file structure but doesn't copy the actual files [20:04] ahh [20:05] at the office on lucid apt-move still works perfectly [20:05] Maaz: tell kilos I think apt-move can do the job perfectly for you. See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptMoveHowto [20:05] inetpro: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode [20:24] Maaz: tell kilos then again, apt-move won't take care of universe and multiverse packages. It is and interesting package nevertheless and it is surprising that no-one seems to have spent some tme to create something like this specific for Ubuntu. [20:24] inetpro: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode [20:37] Maaz: ask kilos Why are you not just using APTonCD ? [20:37] inetpro: Sure, I'll ask Kilos on freenode