[04:47] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:00]  * Kilos greets all of you guys
[08:55] <Kerbero> dag
[17:38] <Kilos> hiya superfly and others
[17:39] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[17:39] <Kilos> inetpro, doesnt work copying them
[17:44] <Kilos> inetpro, look at apt-move. will  that change the structure of archives
[17:47] <Kilos> and debarchiver
[18:07] <inetpro> Kilos: apt-move looks promising indeed
[18:07] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[18:07] <psychicist> hi inetpro 
[18:07] <inetpro> psychicist: hi
[18:08] <Kilos> bad to not be able to give up hey?
[18:09] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[18:09] <inetpro> not bad at all
[18:10] <Kilos> im sure somewhere in the update command like after half way is the part that tells update to look what is available in archives
[18:12] <Kilos> who knows where the command update can be found for analysis
[18:13] <Kilos> psychicist, come on you into the he3avy stuff
[18:14] <psychicist> Kilos, I know some stuff but I'm not a Debian/Ubuntu expert
[18:14] <psychicist> I did have to use "apt-get -f install" and "apt-get check" during the last few days to fix some stuff, though
[18:16] <inetpro> Kilos: if you look at the details of a package, say for example the package 'abrowser' you can see where it is stored in the repository structures
[18:17] <inetpro> look at the line that starts with filename in the following command
[18:17] <inetpro> aptitude -v show abrowser
[18:18]  * Kilos goes to look
[18:18] <inetpro> or rathe the line that starts with 'Filename:'
[18:19] <inetpro> this information is stored in the stuff that get's pulled when you do aptitude update
[18:19] <inetpro> eg, in my case /var/lib/apt/lists/za.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_oneiric_main_binary-i386_Packages
[18:20] <Kilos> you have it installed??
[18:21] <Kilos> my filename says -Filename: pool/main/f/firefox/abrowser_3.6.10+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu3_all.deb
[18:21] <Kilos> MD5sum: c4643fb1b271549556bf85665e1ffe5f
[18:21] <Kilos> but its not installed
[18:22] <inetpro> Kilos: sure thing
[18:23] <inetpro> Kilos: but if you had the deb file in your /var/cache/archives it would not need to go fetch it again
[18:25] <inetpro> on the other hand if you had the complete mirror of the ubuntu repository that file would be somewhere in a folder starting with pool/main/f...
[18:25] <Kilos> ah
[18:25] <inetpro> in fact /some_base_folder/pool/main/f...
[18:26] <Kilos> that thread add repo just frustrated me
[18:26] <Kilos> it seems no one thinks maverick is a good place to stay
[18:27] <Kilos> i dont understand why would one need to go to more advanced software that isnt happy on an old machine
[18:28] <Kilos> there must be millions of peeps worldwide that cant upgrade their pc's
[18:30] <Kilos> wow apt-move is tiny
[18:34] <afrodeity> exit
[18:34] <afrodeity> uit
[18:34] <afrodeity> exit
[18:34] <Kilos> it has commands like getlocal and localupdate
[18:34] <Kilos> hehe
[18:35] <Kilos> been a year since he last ranted about ubuntu\
[18:35] <Kilos> must be happy with unity
[18:43] <inetpro> Kilos: or he is no longer using it
[18:43] <Kilos> oh ya
[18:43] <Kilos> hehe
[18:44] <Kilos> i will ask him next time
[18:44] <Kilos> he has visited often recently
[18:47] <psychicist> can you use Xubuntu or Lubuntu or are there major downsides to those?
[18:47] <psychicist> I probably won't be able to use newer Ubuntu releases on my old laptop either
[18:48] <Kilos> i tried xubuntu psychicist but its not gnome and i am kinda brainwashed ggnomewise
[18:48] <Kilos> what you call old?
[18:49] <Kilos> i like top and bottom panels and 9 workspaces
[18:49] <psychicist> 10 years old, Pentium 3 1 GHz with 512 MB of memory
[18:50] <Kilos> also i have a working maverick and data limitations so using other releases is outa the question anyweay
[18:50] <Kilos> and what graphics?
[18:50] <psychicist> yeah, I want to have a reasonable user experience too even on older hardware
[18:50] <psychicist> 8 MB ATI Rage XL
[18:50] <Kilos> 8m?
[18:50] <Kilos> my card is 32m
[18:51] <Kilos> and thats whats blocking unity
[18:51] <Kilos> but your lappy is fast enough, might just need to get more ram
[18:51] <Kilos> ubuntu loves ram
[18:56] <Kilos> pity you so far i have a dd2 lappy ram here 512m
[18:56] <Kilos> ddr2
[18:56] <psychicist> yes, I know it loves ram
[18:56] <psychicist> my desktop is a lot more powerful, though
[18:57] <psychicist> it has a quadcore processor and 6 gb of ram
[18:57] <Kilos> wow that must be wonderful
[18:57] <Kilos> like a rocket ship
[18:58] <psychicist> yeah, it is
[18:59] <psychicist> but you know, I bought it about three years ago and still don't feel much of a need to upgrade
[18:59] <Kilos> lol you shouldnt for a long while
[18:59] <Kilos> unless you using win 7
[19:00] <Kilos> that seems kinda bloated or slow
[19:00] <inetpro> Kilos: perhaps you should try DSL
[19:00] <Kilos> what is that inetpro ?
[19:00] <inetpro> Damn Small Linux
[19:00] <inetpro> a very versatile 50MB mini desktop oriented Linux distribution
[19:01] <Kilos> no it needs to download apps everytime you start
[19:02] <inetpro> nee man
[19:02] <Kilos> ja
[19:02] <inetpro> http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/applications.html
[19:02] <inetpro> All these applications are part of the base distribution, through our MyDSL system it is possible to grab hundreds of other applications with a couple of clicks of the mouse, or make your own custom CD with exactly the applications you want
[19:03] <Kilos> you also advising me away from ubuntu?
[19:03] <inetpro> Kilos: nie rerig nie :-)
[19:03] <Kilos> is it gnome?
[19:03] <inetpro> no ways
[19:04] <Kilos> what destop ui
[19:04] <inetpro> DSL is meant to be fast and light on PCs with minimal resources
[19:04] <Kilos> ya that other guy used it onna p2
[19:04] <Kilos> but i am sure he said you need to install apps everytime
[19:05] <inetpro> Minimum Requirements for DSL with X-Window:      i486,  24 MB RAM 
[19:06] <psychicist> I don't like this tendency to bloat simple window managers, gnome should stay relatively lightweight and all the other stuff optional
[19:06] <Kilos> so no top and bottom panels
[19:06] <psychicist> but maybe there is no way out and eventually you'll have to give in and buy a new computer, if you can afford it ...
[19:07] <inetpro> yep, I suggest you start saving
[19:07] <Kilos> na will work a way to keep maverick going
[19:08] <Kilos> sigh
[19:11] <Kilos> 50m is 2 weeks data
[19:12] <Kilos> you dont buy a new car because the tyres are smooth
[19:14] <Kilos> hey zeref zeref-Lap 
[19:14] <Kilos> which one are you
[19:14] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[19:14]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[19:15] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee for all
[19:15] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[19:17] <Kilos> what does this mean in english
[19:17] <Kilos> This tool can create a potato like file structure that dselect,
[19:17] <Kilos> apt-get and similar tools can use for easier installation.
[19:18] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[19:20] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[19:20] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[19:25] <Kilos> night guys , sleep tight
[19:42] <Tonberry> i have a question to anyone using vim for a long time
[19:42] <Tonberry> how do you type on a normal text editor?
[19:44] <inetpro> Tonberry: I don't get the question
[19:45] <Tonberry> im trying to change some code in visual c#
[19:45] <Tonberry> every thing ends up like jjj [esc] u
[19:46] <Tonberry> then i laugh at myself for a minute
[19:46] <Tonberry> not very productive
[19:46] <inetpro> ahh :-)
[19:48]  * inetpro wonders why apt-move is not doing what it's supposed to do on oneiric
[19:48] <superfly> Tonberry: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/110477/anyone-know-of-any-free-open-source-vi-integration-for-visual-studio
[19:49] <Tonberry> ooh
[19:50] <inetpro> the following page seems a bit old but things should still work this way if you ask me https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptMoveHowto
[19:50] <inetpro> it creates my mirror file structure but doesn't copy the actual files
[20:04] <inetpro> ahh
[20:05] <inetpro> at the office on lucid apt-move still works perfectly
[20:05] <inetpro> Maaz: tell kilos I think apt-move can do the job perfectly for you. See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptMoveHowto
[20:05] <Maaz> inetpro: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[20:24] <inetpro> Maaz: tell kilos then again, apt-move won't take care of universe and multiverse packages. It is and interesting package nevertheless and it is surprising that no-one seems to have spent some tme to create something like this specific for Ubuntu.
[20:24] <Maaz> inetpro: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[20:37] <inetpro> Maaz: ask kilos Why are you not just using APTonCD ?
[20:37] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure, I'll ask Kilos on freenode