[00:00] <grmls> hi
[00:00] <Riddell> hi
[00:04] <grmls> can you explain me the different between http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ and http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[00:22] <Riddell> grmls: they are different websites?
[00:23] <grmls> *gg* 
[00:23] <grmls> what are the different between the isos on these websites
[00:24] <Riddell> cdimages.ubuntu.com has daily ISOs for testing, iso.qa.ubuntu.com has forms to fill in test reports from when you test those ISOs
[00:27] <grmls> hmm
[00:35] <grmls> how old are the ISOs from iso.qa.ubuntu.com?
[02:14] <grmls> gn8
[10:33] <tsdgeos> apachelogger: "Phonon5: Port to GTK+ " ?
[10:52] <KRF> anyone else experiencing graphical glitches in 12.04 (likely caused by nvidia drivers)?
[10:53] <KRF> getting weird artifacts like line edits with backgrounds / flickering when opening yakuake / etc.
[10:53] <KRF> line edits with *black* backgrounds even :)
[11:06] <KRF> well, fixed by rebooting.
[12:30] <Riddell> aww barry didn't upload a fix to telepathy-qt4, that'll be fiddly
[12:33] <debfx> what's wrong with it?
[12:34] <Riddell> debfx: I turned on the tests and they didn't pass in a buildd chroot
[12:34] <Riddell> debfx: so it needs some magic to add LD_LIBRARY_PATH or similar
[12:34] <Riddell> but it's cdbs and I seem to have forgotten all about how to use cdbs
[12:35] <Riddell> and I think the only way to test is uploading to a PPA which will take ages to get test results
[12:35] <debfx> seriously, cdbs?!
[12:35] <debfx> I was hoping we could get rid of cdbs in kubuntu packages ...
[12:36] <debfx> usually cmake manages to set rpath correctly during the build
[12:36] <Riddell> it's not well maintained in debian
[12:36] <debfx> oh
[12:37] <Riddell> it might be worth just changing it do dh9
[12:37] <Riddell> and debian might well pick it up from us when they get round to packaging telepathy-kde
[12:37] <debfx> unless cdbs thinks it's smart and disables rpath completely ...
[12:37] <Riddell> dunno, it builds locally but not in a buildd chroot
[12:38] <Riddell> but dh9 will have more of a chance to just do the right thing since it's more modern and maintained
[12:38] <debfx> yeah switching to dh has my full support :)
[12:39] <Riddell> ok maybe I'll just do that, or feel free to take it yourself if you've spare time
[13:17] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: why not? :)
[13:18] <apachelogger> KRF: glitches is not quite the right word, I cannot watch any prn because xv decided to cause crashes of X :(
[13:18] <KRF> apachelogger: reboot
[13:20] <mikecb_> new parental control drm in X
[13:20] <mikecb_> :)
[13:23] <apachelogger> outragous!
[13:28] <BluesKaj> 'Morning All
[13:28] <mikecb_> haha, I'm reading the gettinginvolved section on development, and at the end is Career:  1. Ninja, 2. Legend, 3. apachelogger
[13:29] <BluesKaj> hmm, no more DD or DTS passthru with pulseaudio 
[13:45] <mikecb_> BluesKaj: since the 4.6 upgrade?
[13:46] <tsdgeos> apachelogger: because Qt is muuuuch better? :D
[13:48] <BluesKaj> mikecb_,  no , since yesterday , and I've been on 4.8 for a while
[13:50] <mikecb_> weird
[13:52] <BluesKaj> damn pulseaudio is like an addictive drug , the audio devs got lazy and became dependent on a halfbaked soundserver that works on most soundcards but with crappy audio that most pc audio masks anyway
[13:52] <BluesKaj> that's my rant for the day
[13:55] <BluesKaj> in order to avoid all the added distortion I use the digital passthru to feed the DAC in my amplifier , thereby avoiding pulseaudio's "effects",mbut now the passthru doesn't even do it's job...something is definitely amiss 
[14:04] <mikecb_> I don't think pulse can do passthrough
[14:05] <BluesKaj> mikecb_,  it does,
[14:05] <mikecb_> nm
[14:05] <mikecb_> reading an old thing
[14:05] <BluesKaj> ask the guys at #pulseaudio
[14:07] <mikecb_> yeah, sorry, was reading an old setup guide
[14:10] <BluesKaj> mikecb_,  I've been using the passthru for 5mos or so . Previously I was using my onboard soundcard which didn't need pulse to play web/flashaudio . However, my new pci soundcard requires pulse to do so .
[14:10] <mikecb_> I hate when that happens
[14:11] <BluesKaj> alsa used to be enough
[14:11] <mikecb_> what maudio card is it?
[14:15] <BluesKaj> the audiophile 192
[14:16] <BluesKaj> anyway im just purged pulse..gonna reboot
[14:18] <Riddell> ScottK: the only comments I've seen from other teams on splitting pyqt is "not much to gain because QtCore and QtGui are the largest modules"
[14:18] <Riddell> which is accurate enough
[14:18] <koolhead11> hi yofel 
[14:19] <koolhead11> hello Riddell 
[14:19] <Riddell> hi koolhead11 
[14:19] <Riddell> so what should I put in this weeks Kubuntu release team report?
[14:19] <Riddell> I might just point them towards my blog :)
[14:31] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.
[14:31] <ScottK> Thanks.
[14:40] <mikecb_> riddell, good post.  It'll get people excited.  Maybe add what got in before the freeze?
[14:40] <Riddell> mikecb_: post to ubuntu-release list?
[14:41] <Riddell> or blog post?
[14:41] <mikecb_> blog post
[14:41] <Riddell> that is mostly what got in before feature freeze, another update for one of the betas would be a good idea
[14:41] <mikecb_> re: "what shouldI put in this weeks kubuntu rt report?"
[14:41] <mikecb_> yeah
[14:42] <mikecb_> the new stuff in phonon was also cool
[14:43] <Riddell> mikecb_: what's new in phonon (besides being 0.1 better)?
[14:45] <mikecb_> replacement of the whole pipeline, gapless playback, removal of 2k lines of code for the gstreamer backend, and vlc-2 support for the vlc backend
[14:45] <mikecb_> http://wm161.net/2011/08/01/mind-the-gap/
[14:46] <mikecb_> oops, wrong one: http://wm161.net/2012/02/16/phonon-gstreamer-4-6/
[14:46] <mikecb_> and the vlc supposedly got more stable
[14:49] <Riddell> ooh gapless playback works!
[14:49] <Riddell> nice
[14:52] <mikecb_> ooh, and digikam 2.6 right?
[14:53] <mikecb_> beta
[14:53] <Riddell> 2.5 we're going for, 2.6 is in beta
[14:54] <mikecb_> those guys move fast
[15:01] <mikecb_> for those who do a lot of c++ kde stuff, do you prefer kdevelop or qtcreator?
[15:03] <Riddell> mikecb_: emacs or kate :)
[15:03] <mikecb_> lol
[15:03] <Tm_T> nano or kate
[15:04] <Tm_T> don't know why, but I never learned out of nano ):
[15:04] <mikecb_> nano is where it's at
[15:04] <Riddell> nano for programming?  it's word wrap is way too limited
[15:04] <mikecb_> or ed
[15:04] <mikecb_> :D
[15:05] <Tm_T> Riddell: yeah, but that has never bitten me badly enough it seems
[15:05] <Tm_T> it's syntax hilight works well enough too
[15:06] <Tm_T> its too
[15:06] <mikecb_> nano has syntax hilighting?
[15:06] <Tm_T> yes?
[15:06] <mikecb_> wowzahs
[15:10] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.04.4-lts-release
[15:24] <Riddell> friendly words in #kubuntu 15:13 < designbybeck> kudos all KDE/Kubuntu developers and contributers! Thank you all!
[15:47] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: that is a myth a GTK+ dev told me :P
[15:48] <apachelogger> yofel: ping
[15:48] <apachelogger> mikecb_: pvlc  is not only more stable but also faster
[15:49] <apachelogger> the amount of classes got reduced by 50%
[15:49] <apachelogger> as 50% were utterly pointless abstracton
[15:49] <mikecb_> woot
[15:49] <apachelogger> back from when the backend was for both vlc and mplayer
[15:49] <apachelogger> (which is a utterly bogus idea to begin with)
[15:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: so mplayer backend is gone or just less functional than it could have been if it was well maintained?
[15:55] <apachelogger> well, it was never maintained by us, so I might not be the best person to comment
[15:55] <apachelogger> but I get the impression it is pretty non-functional
[16:01] <yofel> apachelogger: pong
[16:01] <apachelogger> yofel: did no one backport the krandr in startkde stuff to oneiric ppa?
[16:02] <yofel> hm? I believe I did
[16:02]  * yofel rechecks
[16:02] <apachelogger> Sput claims it is still there
[16:03] <BluesKaj>  mplayer seems ok here 
[16:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: wasn't there a distro that used the mplayer backend?  like debian?
[16:04] <apachelogger> I dunno, there own fault then :P
[16:04] <apachelogger> the phonominals only support vlc and gstreamer
[16:04] <BluesKaj> altho it's my last resort mplayer is working , just no digital passthryu other than pcm
[16:04] <apachelogger> which was announced many times since new management took over :P
[16:05] <Sput> apachelogger: oneiric with the KDE backport stuff
[16:05] <BluesKaj> digital audio passthru that is 
[16:05] <yofel> Sput: which kde-workspace version?
[16:06] <Sput> yofel: how do I figure that out? :)
[16:06] <yofel> 4:4.8.0b-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa2 doesn't have the broken patch
[16:06]  * Sput is an apt noob
[16:06] <yofel> Sput: apt-cache policy kde-workspace
[16:06] <yofel> kde-workspace-bin to be precise
[16:06] <Sput> Installed: 4:4.7.97-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1
[16:06] <Sput> oh.
[16:06] <Sput> why don't I have 4.8
[16:06] <yofel> you have the beta ppa enabled, not backports
[16:07] <yofel> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[16:07] <yofel> and update
[16:07] <Sput> ok, thx :)
[16:07] <Sput> I thought I had backports enabled... mmh.
[16:08] <Sput> hmm. indeed I have
[16:09] <apachelogger> with the oneiric pocket?
[16:09] <Sput> possibly
[16:10] <Sput> I'll just copy the beta file in sources.list.d and patch that, as add-apt-repository fails miserably behind a proxy
[16:10] <apachelogger> so it does
[16:10] <apachelogger> as does python in general :S
[16:12] <Sput> ok, that looks good
[16:12] <Sput> thx :)
[16:25] <Riddell> random e-mail du jour, launchpad help request http://paste.kde.org/424040/
[16:25] <Riddell> I don't even know the one lines answer on where to point him
[16:25] <Riddell> launchpad help wiki?
[16:28] <Riddell> Darkwing: happy birthday!
[16:29] <yofel> happy birthday Darkwing
[16:47] <Ezim> hi channel
[16:53] <shadeslayer> valorie: Did I mention they released booktype? http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/02/16/141235/booktype-an-open-source-cross-platform-approach-to-e-book-publishing
[16:53] <Riddell> what's that?
[16:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the newer version of the platform that we wrote our KDE Guide on
[16:54] <shadeslayer> *alot* smoother
[16:54] <shadeslayer> Improvements by the bucketload
[16:54] <shadeslayer> also, I'm on /. :P
[16:55]  * shadeslayer ponders what happened to his composting
[16:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that's not what the thing nightrose is using is?
[16:56] <shadeslayer> I don't think so, but I think it's a awesome platform
[16:56] <shadeslayer> I'm not sure what Nightrose is using for her book tho
[16:56] <Riddell> you might want to point her at it incase it's usefl
[16:56] <shadeslayer> Good idea, I think she already knows about it
[16:57] <Riddell> getting on slashdot is truely a sign you've made it in the geek world.  alas it's sometimes a bad sign
[16:58] <shadeslayer> bad sign? :O
[16:58]  * shadeslayer hopes not in this case
[17:02] <mikecb_> 3 gigs of ram required?
[17:03] <mikecb_> is that bc of the collaborative stuff?
[17:05] <shadeslayer> huh>
[17:06] <shadeslayer> s/>/?/
[17:06] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "huh?"
[17:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: is there a lightdm kcm module shipped with the greeter?
[17:08] <shadeslayer> oh
[17:08] <shadeslayer> derp, there it is
[17:10] <bambee_> woo pgst 4.6 is packaged! <3
[17:35] <Ezim> hi guys I am trying on making package from source. If any one can help with som question plz write PM to me.
[17:35] <Ezim> this application does is not in our repo. maybe good to mention that.
[17:36] <shadeslayer> Ezim: Is it a package related to KDE?
[17:36] <shadeslayer> if so, you can discuss it here ...
[17:36] <Ezim> shadeslayer, yes .
[17:36] <Ezim> I have created debian-folder
[17:36] <shadeslayer> Ezim: you can just discuss the issue here
[17:37] <Ezim> now on debian/control I need to write Build-Depends
[17:37] <Ezim> there is already after creating debian-folder
[17:37] <Ezim> debhelper (>= 8.0.0), cmake
[17:38] <shadeslayer> right, and the problem is?
[17:38] <Ezim> should I try to build and se if it ask for me build-depends in debian/control?
[17:39] <shadeslayer> Ezim: those are the basic build depends for any KDE Package, you need to go through CMakeLists.txt to find out what else is required to build the package
[17:39] <Ezim> shadeslayer, thx. that was what I was searching for. thx.
[17:39] <shadeslayer> sure np :)
[17:41] <Ezim> shadeslayer, it is not clear to me which is needed.
[17:41] <shadeslayer> Ezim: pastebin the file somewhere :)
[17:41] <shadeslayer> I can guide you through what is needed
[17:42] <Ezim> shadeslayer, http://paste.kde.org/424106/
[17:43] <Ezim> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Cantata?content=147733  (trying to build this one)
[17:43] <shadeslayer> Ezim: lines 166 to 168, you need libqt4-dev
[17:43] <Ezim> package from repo and build new one is easy (most times).
[17:44] <Ezim> libqt4-dev <<--- that I know. also easyiso needed when i build it.
[17:44] <shadeslayer> FIND_PACKAGE( KDE4 ) << kdelibs5-dev should do the trick there
[17:44] <shadeslayer> line 199 : libtag1-dev
[17:44] <Ezim> shadeslayer, say to me how you know which one to pick?
[17:45] <shadeslayer> Ezim: it comes with practice :P
[17:45] <Ezim> :( that does not really help me to understand
[17:46] <shadeslayer> Ezim: okay, so do you want to know which dev headers to pick or how the variables are set?
[17:46] <Ezim> shadeslayer, first one I suppose?
[17:47] <shadeslayer> ah ok, so, lets take line 199
[17:47] <shadeslayer>     find_package(Taglib)
[17:47] <shadeslayer> that makes CMake search for Taglib, now in Ubuntu/Debian, most libraries are called libfooSOVERSION and development headers are libfoo-dev
[17:48] <shadeslayer> if you  do something like : apt-cache search libtaglib | grep dev , you get ... libtag1-dev
[17:48] <shadeslayer> no wait : apt-cache search libtag | grep dev
[17:48] <Ezim> :)
[17:49] <shadeslayer> Ezim: so it's a bit of trial and error
[17:49] <shadeslayer> Ezim: try line 246 for yourself
[17:52] <Ezim> shadeslayer, okey lets take one thing first then jump to other. okey? this is to much for newbie me :).
[17:52] <shadeslayer> :D
[17:53] <shadeslayer> Ezim: sure, what's the problem? :)
[17:53] <Ezim> from 166-168 how did you know it was libqt4-dev?
[17:54] <shadeslayer> "SET( QT_USE_QTNETWORK TRUE )" <- Uses Qt headers
[17:54] <shadeslayer> more specifically, the QtNetwork components
[17:54] <Ezim> shadeslayer, I see. 
[17:54] <shadeslayer> sec
[17:54] <Ezim> shadeslayer, is it okey I copy/paste all the things you write now?
[17:54] <shadeslayer> sure
[17:55] <Ezim> good to read afterwards
[17:55] <shadeslayer> Ezim: http://qtnode.net/wiki/Qt4_with_cmake#cmake:_enable.2Fdisable_parts_of_the_qt_library
[17:57] <Ezim> shadeslayer, sorry but what exactly supposed this link tell me?
[17:58] <shadeslayer> Ezim: a brief explanation of the CMake vars that you can use to select certain parts of the Qt Library
[18:00] <Ezim> shadeslayer, let me see if I understand correctly. "QT_USE_QTNETWORK TRUE" line 166 I now they want libqt4-dev.
[18:00] <Ezim> correct?
[18:00] <shadeslayer> Ezim: nope, that's just saying, Use the QtNetwork component of Qt
[18:01] <shadeslayer> Ezim: line 171 says I need Qt to build
[18:01] <Ezim> shadeslayer, now I see.
[18:02] <Ezim> FIND_PACKAGE( KDE4 ) <<--- this always indicates on < kdelibs5-dev?
[18:04] <shadeslayer> Ezim: yes, you can also specify the exact version of KDE you want like : FIND_PACKAGE(KDE4 4.6.90 REQUIRED)
[18:04] <shadeslayer> where REQUIRED means you *have* to have KDE headers
[18:04] <Ezim> shadeslayer, danke sire.
[18:05] <Ezim> now let us see if I can find answer on find_package(Mtp)
[18:05] <shadeslayer> sure no problem :)
[18:05] <shadeslayer> I'm right here, feel free to ping
[18:05] <Ezim> shadeslayer, :) I will bing do not worry.
[18:08] <Ezim> shadeslayer, answer is: libmtp-dev  ?
[18:08] <shadeslayer> yep :)
[18:09] <Ezim> shadeslayer, apt-cache search mtp | grep dev  <<---- correct searching way or should I use muon?
[18:10] <shadeslayer> Ezim: apt-cache offers more flexibility as compared to Muon, but then it's completely your choice
[18:10] <shadeslayer> apt-cache allows me to pipe output to multiple grep's etc
[18:10] <Ezim> shadeslayer, okey boss.
[18:11] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[18:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: does yahoo work for you?
[18:11] <shadeslayer> erm, on KDE Telepathy I mea
[18:11] <shadeslayer> *mean
[18:12] <Ezim> libqt4-dev,  kdelibs5-dev, libtag1-dev and libmtp-dev are does that are needed?
[18:12] <Ezim> beside the default ones
[18:12] <shadeslayer> should do the trick
[18:13] <Ezim> shadeslayer, danke sir. 
[18:17] <Ezim> shadeslayer, thx :) it worked.
[18:17] <shadeslayer> \o/
[18:19] <Ezim> shadeslayer, is most of the kde/qt apps cmake or qmake?
[18:19] <shadeslayer> mostly, yes
[18:19] <Ezim> hey HakanS :).
[18:19] <HakanS> Ezim: Hi.
[18:20] <Ezim> HakanS, :) you know who I am? 
[18:20] <Ezim> changed my nick recently. 
[18:22] <HakanS> Ezim: Yes. Kurdistan.
[18:49] <Ezim> HakanS, :) good.
[18:49] <Ezim> shadeslayer, :) read my PM comment. 
[18:52] <debfx> shadeslayer: is anyone from telepathy-qt4 upstream on irc?
[18:53] <shadeslayer> debfx: yes, andrunko in #telepathy
[18:54] <debfx> thanks
[18:55] <shadeslayer> np :)
[18:59] <Ezim> shadeslayer, is there any good debian/(k)ubuntu way making patch with quilt?
[18:59] <Ezim> document or so.
[19:00] <shadeslayer> err ... maybe, lemme have a look
[19:01] <shadeslayer> Ezim: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/QuiltMagic
[19:03] <Ezim> shadeslayer, thx.
[19:13] <CIA-42> [kubuntu-default-settings] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20120217191346-m2f7hg05msiysixc * lib/plymouth/themes/kubuntu-logo/ (background.png kubuntu-logo.script) more wip
[19:15] <apachelogger> ohhhh the postal service
[19:15] <apachelogger> omnomnom
[19:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yo
[19:16] <shadeslayer> yo yo apachelogger
[19:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how does one make ktp autoconnect on startup?
[19:16]  * apachelogger appears to be too stupid to make that happen
[19:16] <shadeslayer> Good question, I can't seem to find such a option as well
[19:17] <apachelogger> uh, that is one big pita 
[19:17] <shadeslayer> I'm guessing you add the presence plasmoid and set your presence to online when you start :P
[19:17] <apachelogger> that is flawed
[19:17] <apachelogger> what if I forget :S
[19:17] <apachelogger> which I do all the time
[19:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: please be fixing :P
[19:17] <shadeslayer> but what if you forget to go offline?
[19:17] <apachelogger> or tell someone
[19:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I'm not entirely sure if I want to be online as soon as I login
[19:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no, there should be a tickbox 'always connect on login'
[19:18] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[19:18] <apachelogger> although
[19:18]  * shadeslayer was debugging why yahoo stoppped working
[19:18] <shadeslayer> -p
[19:18] <apachelogger> from a UX perspective restoring previous state woud be best :P
[19:18] <apachelogger> facebook is no worky for me
[19:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah, there's this weird fb xmpp bug where I have to login into facebook to send messages
[19:18] <shadeslayer> happens on OS X for me as well
[19:18] <apachelogger> oh
[19:18] <apachelogger> now it works
[19:18] <apachelogger> curious
[19:18] <shadeslayer> not sure why
[19:19] <apachelogger> yesterday it was failing claiming there was a network error
[19:19] <shadeslayer> yeah, fb is weird 
[19:19] <shadeslayer> this is what happens when you use proprietary chat systems :P
[19:20] <shadeslayer> and then release half baked wrapper interfaces around them 
[19:20] <apachelogger> xmpp?
[19:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: xmpp is just a wrapper around facebook's own implementation afaik
[19:20] <shadeslayer> like what MSN did
[19:20] <shadeslayer> "purple/yahoo-CRITICAL **: Authentication error: Account locked: Too many failed login attempts.  Logging into the Yahoo! website may fix this.. Code 1213"
[19:21] <shadeslayer> :/
[19:21] <apachelogger> lp:~apachelogger/+junk/ksplash
[19:21] <Ezim> even if they are now using xmpp, linux chat client will not be able to have webcam chat.
[19:21] <apachelogger> who uses that anyway?
[19:22] <apachelogger> from what I heared their webcam stuff is utter fail
[19:22] <Ezim> apachelogger, :) people that uses msn?
[19:22] <apachelogger> even skype does better
 i want to install android rom for my toshiba tg01
[19:22] <apachelogger> curious question in a kubuntu channel ^^
[19:22] <Ezim> apachelogger, m$ is behind skype now. I think it will s-ck even more for us linux users.
[19:23] <shadeslayer> whut
[19:23] <apachelogger> google hangouts are the only real thing anyway
[19:23] <shadeslayer> touche
[19:23] <debfx> Riddell: telepathy-qt4 package is ready: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/telepathy-qt4_0.9.0+repack-0ubuntu3.debdiff
[19:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: microsof acquired skype like way back from ebay
[19:23] <apachelogger> 2 years ago I think
[19:23] <shadeslayer> from ebay? are you sure?
[19:23] <apachelogger> seems skype is still largely independent though
[19:23] <shadeslayer> I thought skype was independent from other orgs
[19:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: skype was acquired by ebay in like 2007 or so
[19:24] <shadeslayer> hmm ... never heard of that, was still in school and sweating about how to get into a Uni
[19:24] <apachelogger> as long as amarok can eat my cpu everyone is happy
[19:24]  * apachelogger shoots amarok
[19:25] <apachelogger> wow, crash on exit
[19:25] <apachelogger> I love those
[19:25] <shadeslayer> whee, yahoo working again
[19:25] <apachelogger> oh, akonadi also plays the cpu eating game?
[19:25] <apachelogger> do we have any software left that does not want to eat my cpu?
[19:26] <Ezim> :) clementine is the sh-t. 
[19:27]  * apachelogger needs to buy a PC
[19:28] <apachelogger> and a new laptop
[19:28] <apachelogger> and new speakers
[19:28]  * apachelogger doesn't have monies for either :(
[19:29] <Ezim> apachelogger, :) there are kde user out there does not agree that akonadi eats cpu. 
[19:29] <apachelogger> it usually doesn't 
[19:30] <apachelogger> not sure what is wrong here
[19:30] <apachelogger> the system has been acting up all day
[19:30] <Ezim> apachelogger, for me akonadi/virtuso likes eating cpu.
[19:30] <apachelogger> the trick is to not use nepomuk :P
[19:30] <Ezim> apachelogger, exactly what I am doing now.
[19:31] <apachelogger> that bugger never worked for me, primarily because I have a gigantic home with all sorts of files
[19:31]  * apachelogger probably has a billion files in his home ^^
[19:31] <Ezim> apachelogger, I think there is lot of kde user that disables nepomuk.
[19:32] <bulldog98> apachelogger: try to exclude most of them for the indexing
[19:32] <apachelogger> bulldog98: nepomuk still has to do dir listing and whatnot
[19:32] <apachelogger> otherwise the exclusion wouldn't make sense
[19:32] <bulldog98> Ezim: I have it on
[19:32] <apachelogger> and doing that on my ~800 git repos + 300 bzr repos is a jolly bad idea
[19:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: did you spend all your GSoC moniez on booze again?
[19:33] <apachelogger> sheytan: \o/
[19:33] <apachelogger> sheytan: dude, we missed you
[19:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes :(
[19:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and coke
[19:33] <sheytan> apachelogger i hope so! :D
[19:34] <sheytan> brb, let me eat my lunch first ;)
[19:34] <apachelogger> awww :(
[19:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: more like cigarettes
[19:34] <apachelogger> sheytan: I hope you are feeling creative today, coz I has great things that need doing
[19:34] <apachelogger> first order of business: boot splash
[19:34] <shadeslayer> alright, I'm off to bed
[19:35] <Ezim> apachelogger, working on plymouth?
[19:35] <shadeslayer> nini
[19:35] <Ezim> bulldog98, not me. :)
[19:35] <shadeslayer> sheytan: btw remember that asci mockup I made?
[19:35] <shadeslayer> sheytan: muwhahaha : http://www.asciiflow.com/
[19:36] <apachelogger> oh my I think I need to restart
[19:36] <apachelogger> it is all falling apart
[19:36] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/16/plasma-desktopT12928.png
[19:36] <apachelogger> I'd need a kubuntu logo for that
[19:36] <bulldog98> Ezim: I find it very usefull to search for content
[19:37] <apachelogger> sheytan: I was thinking about something sunken relief ... i.e. shadows going in as if kubuntu was carved into the wallpaper
[19:37]  * apachelogger is rebooting now
[19:37] <Ezim> apachelogger, looks good but what is the difference from now?
[19:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Might I suggest just using the Kubuntu Icon and not the entire text?
[19:37] <Ezim> bulldog98, oki.
[19:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: sure, if you tell me how in combo with aryia :P
[19:37] <shadeslayer> you don't really need to use aryia ;)
[19:38] <shadeslayer> just the logo, on a blue background
[19:38] <apachelogger> nah
[19:38] <shadeslayer> keep it simple, really
[19:38] <apachelogger> blue doesn't work no more
[19:38] <apachelogger> it looks like crap going from blue to aryia grey
[19:38] <shadeslayer> okay, something else, but just a simple gradient with the icon on it
[19:38] <apachelogger> screw gradients
[19:38] <apachelogger> this is not the 90s
[19:38] <shadeslayer> :(
[19:38] <apachelogger> for all I care I'd all give you a 50mib initrd :P
[19:39] <apachelogger> like mine
[19:39] <apachelogger> just to ensure that it looks sexxi
[19:39] <Ezim> not big fan of current ariya splash screen
[19:39] <apachelogger> now really reboot
[19:39] <shadeslayer> think of the CD Size!
[19:40] <yofel> if you use a gradient, then you'll need to throw ariya out of kdm
[19:40] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:40] <shadeslayer> get it-s and sheytan to design something awesome then :)
[19:40] <yofel> as it would be: gradient -> ariya -> fuzzy grey (ksplash) -> ariay
[19:40] <yofel> *ariya
[19:40] <yofel> that's horribly inconsistent
[19:41]  * yofel doesn't get why ksplash doesn't use ariya
[19:41] <Ezim> hi yofel :).
[19:41] <yofel> hi Ezim
[19:41] <shadeslayer> yofel: exams over? :D
[19:41] <yofel> yup :D
[19:42] <shadeslayer> Lets hash out some specs for the automation script tomorrow
[19:42] <yofel> ok
[19:43]  * shadeslayer goes off to sleep
[19:43] <shadeslayer> nini
[19:43] <shadeslayer> for real this time
[19:43] <yofel> gn
[19:44] <apachelogger> yofel: yeah, that is a bit curious
[19:45] <apachelogger> ... the ksplash not using ariya
[19:46] <apachelogger> also lp:~apachelogger/+junk/ksplash
[19:53] <bulldog98> apachelogger: as far as I see it is supposed to use it
[19:54] <apachelogger> maybe someone messed up then :P
[19:54] <yofel> likely me as I did the wallpaper and splash stuff back then
[20:00] <apachelogger> everything is possible
[20:03] <apachelogger> I think I am stupid or something
[20:03]  * apachelogger fails to find the theme in kde git
[20:03] <yofel> hm, everything is properly installed
[20:04] <yofel> apachelogger: git clone kde-workspace?
[20:04] <yofel> hm, has no ariya though o.O
[20:04] <apachelogger> that's what I am saying
[20:04] <yofel> oh 
[20:04] <yofel> wait
[20:05] <yofel> apachelogger: for some reason it's in svn trunk/KDE/kde-base-artwork
[20:05] <apachelogger> ah
[20:05] <apachelogger> right
[20:06] <apachelogger> they forgot to take graphics into account when moving to git :P
[20:06] <apachelogger> yofel: does it have ariya though?
[20:07] <yofel> not particulary
[20:07] <yofel> at least it's a different background
[20:09] <yofel> hm, currently the splash is using ariya for me - I guess they switched that
[20:10]  * yofel was using that minimalistic qml one for a while
[20:11]  * apachelogger encodes video
[20:16] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/bootriya.ogv
[20:16] <apachelogger> opionon!!@#
[20:16] <apachelogger> now
[20:19] <mikecb> I like it
[20:19]  * yofel pummles kconfig
[20:20] <yofel> lovely
[20:21] <sheytan> apachelogger: i have a vision of  a clean screen, without gradiented background for plymouth
[20:21] <sheytan> i had a mockup somwhere even
[20:21] <sheytan> i will not do it today, have to do a baner for my work
[20:22] <apachelogger> sheytan: also didn't you have a new ubiquity design?
[20:22] <sheytan> but tomorrow is a good date i guess :)
[20:22] <sheytan> apachelogger: not really
[20:22] <apachelogger> sheytan: next week is ui freeze, if you get me something by then it is fine
[20:22] <yofel> apachelogger: did you adjust the colors for the text splash too?
[20:22] <apachelogger> yofel: yes, unless the update overwrote it
[20:22] <sheytan> apachelogger: i should get it done till sunday :)
[20:22] <apachelogger> perfect
[20:22] <yofel> awesomeness then :D
[20:22]  * apachelogger hugs sheytan
[20:23] <apachelogger> yofel: the plymouth code of our splash is still shady :P
[20:23] <apachelogger> really messy beast
[20:24] <sheytan> apachelogger: i can't find that mock, but as I said. I will do it tomorrow :)
[20:25] <apachelogger> okeydokey
[20:25] <apachelogger> ah
[20:25] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2011/03/instalator-kubuntu-pokaz-slajdow-mockup.html
[20:26] <sheytan> apachelogger: it's only for slideshow, not a ubiquity UI mockup :)_
[20:26] <apachelogger> yeah
[20:26] <apachelogger> also I am not sure how to implement that
[20:26] <sheytan> but if you want to push this to next release would be grat :)
[20:26] <apachelogger> we might just want to redo the installer partially in qml
[20:26] <apachelogger> so that be better done for precise+1
[20:27] <apachelogger> or at least the slideshow
[20:27] <apachelogger> as that is a completely separate part anyway
[20:27] <apachelogger> so potential for regression is minimal
[20:27] <sheytan> technical side belongs to you 
[20:28] <apachelogger> yeah
[20:28] <sheytan> i know how to make the UI, you - the code :)
[20:28] <apachelogger> but also from the design side that is not very useful :P
[20:28] <apachelogger> i.e. what does the stage before the slideshow look like
[20:28] <mikecb> anyone worried that that statement isn't technically correct?  codec installation still isn't perfect
[20:28] <sheytan> as is now
[20:28] <apachelogger> sheytan: then the mockup does not match, does it?
[20:29] <apachelogger> http://www.linoob.com/wp-content/flagallery/kubuntu-installation/22-ubiquity-office.png
[20:29] <apachelogger> where would the slideshow go?
[20:29] <apachelogger> where it is now?
[20:30] <sheytan> apachelogger: first you see the ubiquity installer as is now, you set all the stuff. In the end you type your user name, pass etc. Then you click "next" or something. After that, every thing disappears and you see the slideshow with a progres bar, information about kubuntu, the icons, etc
[20:30]  * apachelogger fears then the carousel at the bottom would look a bit strange
[20:30] <sheytan> i will not :)
[20:30] <apachelogger> sheytan: but the progress bar is there beforehand :)
[20:31] <apachelogger> installation also starts before the slideshow
[20:31] <sheytan> that correct
[20:31] <apachelogger> so exchanging the entire ui at this point seems a bit weird to me
[20:31] <sheytan> stuff i made isin't to be putted into that small window (where the slideshow is now)
[20:31] <apachelogger> perhaps with some snazzy animation or something
[20:31] <apachelogger> sheytan: yeah, I understand
[20:31] <sheytan> so trust me :D
[20:31] <apachelogger> so we have x and we have y
[20:32] <apachelogger> and I have no idea how to get from x to y without looking weird ^^
[20:32] <apachelogger> oh, actually I have an idea
[20:32] <apachelogger> but that involves rewriting the entire installer in QML :P
[20:32] <apachelogger> also quite excessive animations
[20:33] <apachelogger> ... the entire x ui (installer) falling apart, only the parts we need remain (progress bar) and move to a new position whilist the slideshow appears
[20:33] <sheytan> can't you just get rid of that ubiquity window and go to full screen stuff instead?
[20:33] <apachelogger> that is quite a lot of work TBH 
[20:33] <apachelogger> sheytan: get rid?
[20:33] <apachelogger> sheytan: ubiquity is full screen
[20:34] <apachelogger> the fake window frame is there for design reasons
[20:34] <sheytan> so the small window with all the information dissapears
[20:34] <apachelogger> like on a website you usually do not want full width etc
[20:34] <apachelogger> ... hard to read and theme 
[20:34] <apachelogger> sheytan: well yes, but that looks crappy
[20:34] <apachelogger> sheytan: 'simply disappearing' involves creating a new window or simply swapping the ui
[20:35] <apachelogger> which will look like crap, I can tell you that much :)
[20:35] <sheytan> you can put invisible margins, i mean witout any fake windows
[20:35] <sheytan> well, so we left with rewriting everything in QML :D
[20:35] <apachelogger> that is what I Am saying
[20:36] <apachelogger> but even so we need some sane transition animation for that
[20:37]  * apachelogger wonders how youbuntoo does it
[20:37] <apachelogger> to the youtube
[20:37] <sheytan> i need to think bout that, but tomorrow :)
[20:38] <apachelogger> ubuntus ui is different to begin with
[20:39] <apachelogger> more page-like ... i.e. you work your way through the installer left to right
[20:39] <apachelogger> then you get a slideshow
[20:39] <apachelogger> which can also be navigated left to right
[20:39] <apachelogger> well
[20:40] <apachelogger> sheytan: I think this is definitely +1 material, also since we'd need to redo most of the stuff in qml anyway I guess we might as well redo the UI concept as a whole
[20:40] <apachelogger> man that will be a drag -.-
[20:40] <sheytan> challange accepted ;d
[20:41] <apachelogger> sheytan: meanwhile, perhaps you have a cool idea how to make the slideshow look less crappy http://www.linoob.com/wp-content/flagallery/kubuntu-installation/22-ubiquity-office.png
[20:41] <apachelogger> perhaps some frame around it and some shadow or something
[20:41] <apachelogger> again sunken-relief style, so it appears more integrated into the present fake-window
[20:42] <sheytan> remove the background
[20:42] <sheytan> please! :D
[20:42] <sheytan> no borders no shadows :)
[20:42] <sheytan> reflection to icons - ok
[20:42] <sheytan> no "blue arrows"
[20:42] <sheytan> use dots
[20:43] <sheytan> in listing
[20:44] <apachelogger> no background at all?
[20:44] <mikecb> how about slightly more contrasting shades of blue?
[20:44] <apachelogger> sheytan: we need some sort of background -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=snapshot17.png
[20:44] <apachelogger> otherwise it will look weird again
[20:45] <apachelogger> mikecb: where?
[20:45] <apachelogger> mikecb: font color?
[20:46] <sheytan> apachelogger: sure, use tha same background as you just showed me here, aling it in the top too
[20:46] <mikecb> the blues of the background, typewriter, icons, reflections, all very very close
[20:46] <mikecb> make things pop a little if they had a little more range
[20:46] <mikecb> just a thought
[20:47] <apachelogger> mikecb: that typewriter is ugly anyway IMHO ^^
[20:47] <apachelogger> colorwise
[20:47] <apachelogger> sheytan: that might work
[20:47] <mikecb> just a bit lol
[20:47] <sheytan> apachelogger: it has to ;d
[20:47] <apachelogger> not sure how trivial to do though
[20:48] <apachelogger> as I said, the slideshow is a separate component
[20:48] <apachelogger> oh well
[20:48] <apachelogger> I'll digg into it
[20:48] <apachelogger> sheytan: also I totally agree on getting rid of the arrows
[20:48] <apachelogger> they look really silly
[20:48]  * sheytan thinks he pointed that out already some time ago :)
[20:48] <apachelogger> oh mind me
[20:48] <apachelogger> I cannot actually write the code  I think ^^
[20:49] <apachelogger> ubiquity is under canonical copyright assignment shit
[20:50] <sheytan> lets fork it ;d
[20:50] <apachelogger> yeah ^^
[20:51] <mikecb> when in doubt
[20:51] <debfx> apachelogger: canonical doesn't require copyright assignment anymore
[20:52] <apachelogger> oh
[20:52] <apachelogger> cool
[20:52] <apachelogger> I can code freely again
[20:52] <apachelogger> <3
[20:56] <JackyAlcine> Where do I go to help out with the KDE Games suite on IRC?
[20:56]  * JackyAlcine wants to make a word search game.
[20:56] <JackyAlcine> Where do I go to help out with the KDE Games suite on IRC?
[21:01] <Ezim> debfx, what does that mean?
[21:03] <apachelogger> JackyAlcine: #kde-games
[21:03] <apachelogger> I guess
[21:03] <JackyAlcine> I took a wild guess :)
[21:07] <yofel> Ezim: see http://producingoss.com/en/copyright-assignment.html
[21:07] <Ezim> yofel, will read later. thx again. 
[21:44]  * sheytan goes to  charge his batteris for tomorrow.
[21:44] <sheytan> night all :)
[23:06] <Ezim> shadeslayer, http://paste.kde.org/424334/ take look. I will soon give you dep. for it. see if I understand it :).
[23:14] <Ezim> kdelibs5-dev, libx11-dev, libkwinglesutils1, freeglut3-dev  correct?
[23:31] <Ezim> :) any one else can look if I have write.