[00:00] hi [00:00] hi [00:04] can you explain me the different between http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ and http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ === Torpedo_Skyline is now known as TorpedoSkyline [00:22] grmls: they are different websites? [00:23] *gg* [00:23] what are the different between the isos on these websites [00:24] cdimages.ubuntu.com has daily ISOs for testing, iso.qa.ubuntu.com has forms to fill in test reports from when you test those ISOs [00:27] hmm [00:35] how old are the ISOs from iso.qa.ubuntu.com? [02:14] gn8 === Torpedo_Skyline is now known as TorpedoSkyline === debfx_ is now known as debfx [10:33] apachelogger: "Phonon5: Port to GTK+ " ? [10:52] anyone else experiencing graphical glitches in 12.04 (likely caused by nvidia drivers)? [10:53] getting weird artifacts like line edits with backgrounds / flickering when opening yakuake / etc. [10:53] line edits with *black* backgrounds even :) [11:06] well, fixed by rebooting. === Torpedo_Skyline is now known as TorpedoSkyline [12:30] aww barry didn't upload a fix to telepathy-qt4, that'll be fiddly [12:33] what's wrong with it? [12:34] debfx: I turned on the tests and they didn't pass in a buildd chroot [12:34] debfx: so it needs some magic to add LD_LIBRARY_PATH or similar [12:34] but it's cdbs and I seem to have forgotten all about how to use cdbs [12:35] and I think the only way to test is uploading to a PPA which will take ages to get test results [12:35] seriously, cdbs?! [12:35] I was hoping we could get rid of cdbs in kubuntu packages ... [12:36] usually cmake manages to set rpath correctly during the build [12:36] it's not well maintained in debian [12:36] oh [12:37] it might be worth just changing it do dh9 [12:37] and debian might well pick it up from us when they get round to packaging telepathy-kde [12:37] unless cdbs thinks it's smart and disables rpath completely ... [12:37] dunno, it builds locally but not in a buildd chroot [12:38] but dh9 will have more of a chance to just do the right thing since it's more modern and maintained [12:38] yeah switching to dh has my full support :) [12:39] ok maybe I'll just do that, or feel free to take it yourself if you've spare time === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch [13:17] tsdgeos: why not? :) [13:18] KRF: glitches is not quite the right word, I cannot watch any prn because xv decided to cause crashes of X :( [13:18] apachelogger: reboot [13:20] new parental control drm in X [13:20] :) [13:23] outragous! [13:28] 'Morning All [13:28] haha, I'm reading the gettinginvolved section on development, and at the end is Career: 1. Ninja, 2. Legend, 3. apachelogger [13:29] hmm, no more DD or DTS passthru with pulseaudio [13:45] BluesKaj: since the 4.6 upgrade? [13:46] apachelogger: because Qt is muuuuch better? :D [13:48] mikecb_, no , since yesterday , and I've been on 4.8 for a while [13:50] weird [13:52] damn pulseaudio is like an addictive drug , the audio devs got lazy and became dependent on a halfbaked soundserver that works on most soundcards but with crappy audio that most pc audio masks anyway [13:52] that's my rant for the day [13:55] in order to avoid all the added distortion I use the digital passthru to feed the DAC in my amplifier , thereby avoiding pulseaudio's "effects",mbut now the passthru doesn't even do it's job...something is definitely amiss === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback [14:04] I don't think pulse can do passthrough [14:05] mikecb_, it does, [14:05] nm [14:05] reading an old thing [14:05] ask the guys at #pulseaudio [14:07] yeah, sorry, was reading an old setup guide [14:10] mikecb_, I've been using the passthru for 5mos or so . Previously I was using my onboard soundcard which didn't need pulse to play web/flashaudio . However, my new pci soundcard requires pulse to do so . [14:10] I hate when that happens [14:11] alsa used to be enough [14:11] what maudio card is it? [14:15] the audiophile 192 [14:16] anyway im just purged pulse..gonna reboot [14:18] ScottK: the only comments I've seen from other teams on splitting pyqt is "not much to gain because QtCore and QtGui are the largest modules" [14:18] which is accurate enough [14:18] hi yofel [14:19] hello Riddell [14:19] hi koolhead11 [14:19] so what should I put in this weeks Kubuntu release team report? [14:19] I might just point them towards my blog :) [14:31] Riddell: OK. [14:31] Thanks. === sikon_ is now known as lucidfox [14:40] riddell, good post. It'll get people excited. Maybe add what got in before the freeze? [14:40] mikecb_: post to ubuntu-release list? [14:41] or blog post? [14:41] blog post [14:41] that is mostly what got in before feature freeze, another update for one of the betas would be a good idea [14:41] re: "what shouldI put in this weeks kubuntu rt report?" [14:41] yeah [14:42] the new stuff in phonon was also cool [14:43] mikecb_: what's new in phonon (besides being 0.1 better)? [14:45] replacement of the whole pipeline, gapless playback, removal of 2k lines of code for the gstreamer backend, and vlc-2 support for the vlc backend [14:45] http://wm161.net/2011/08/01/mind-the-gap/ [14:46] oops, wrong one: http://wm161.net/2012/02/16/phonon-gstreamer-4-6/ [14:46] and the vlc supposedly got more stable [14:49] ooh gapless playback works! [14:49] nice [14:52] ooh, and digikam 2.6 right? [14:53] beta [14:53] 2.5 we're going for, 2.6 is in beta [14:54] those guys move fast [15:01] for those who do a lot of c++ kde stuff, do you prefer kdevelop or qtcreator? [15:03] mikecb_: emacs or kate :) [15:03] lol [15:03] nano or kate [15:04] don't know why, but I never learned out of nano ): [15:04] nano is where it's at [15:04] nano for programming? it's word wrap is way too limited [15:04] or ed [15:04] :D [15:05] Riddell: yeah, but that has never bitten me badly enough it seems [15:05] it's syntax hilight works well enough too [15:06] its too [15:06] nano has syntax hilighting? [15:06] yes? [15:06] wowzahs [15:10] http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.04.4-lts-release [15:24] friendly words in #kubuntu 15:13 < designbybeck> kudos all KDE/Kubuntu developers and contributers! Thank you all! === rdieter_laptop is now known as rdieter [15:47] tsdgeos: that is a myth a GTK+ dev told me :P [15:48] yofel: ping [15:48] mikecb_: pvlc is not only more stable but also faster [15:49] the amount of classes got reduced by 50% [15:49] as 50% were utterly pointless abstracton [15:49] woot [15:49] back from when the backend was for both vlc and mplayer [15:49] (which is a utterly bogus idea to begin with) [15:54] apachelogger: so mplayer backend is gone or just less functional than it could have been if it was well maintained? [15:55] well, it was never maintained by us, so I might not be the best person to comment [15:55] but I get the impression it is pretty non-functional [16:01] apachelogger: pong [16:01] yofel: did no one backport the krandr in startkde stuff to oneiric ppa? [16:02] hm? I believe I did [16:02] * yofel rechecks [16:02] Sput claims it is still there [16:03] mplayer seems ok here [16:03] apachelogger: wasn't there a distro that used the mplayer backend? like debian? [16:04] I dunno, there own fault then :P [16:04] the phonominals only support vlc and gstreamer [16:04] altho it's my last resort mplayer is working , just no digital passthryu other than pcm [16:04] which was announced many times since new management took over :P [16:05] apachelogger: oneiric with the KDE backport stuff [16:05] digital audio passthru that is [16:05] Sput: which kde-workspace version? [16:06] yofel: how do I figure that out? :) [16:06] 4:4.8.0b-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa2 doesn't have the broken patch [16:06] * Sput is an apt noob [16:06] Sput: apt-cache policy kde-workspace [16:06] kde-workspace-bin to be precise [16:06] Installed: 4:4.7.97-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1 [16:06] oh. [16:06] why don't I have 4.8 [16:06] you have the beta ppa enabled, not backports [16:07] sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports [16:07] and update [16:07] ok, thx :) [16:07] I thought I had backports enabled... mmh. [16:08] hmm. indeed I have [16:09] with the oneiric pocket? [16:09] possibly [16:10] I'll just copy the beta file in sources.list.d and patch that, as add-apt-repository fails miserably behind a proxy [16:10] so it does [16:10] as does python in general :S [16:12] ok, that looks good [16:12] thx :) [16:25] random e-mail du jour, launchpad help request http://paste.kde.org/424040/ [16:25] I don't even know the one lines answer on where to point him [16:25] launchpad help wiki? [16:28] Darkwing: happy birthday! === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | Happy birthday Darkwing! | Precise: Feature Freeze, time to squish beasties | http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-kubuntu.html TODOs! | Kubuntu is alive and weller than before!! Read:http://wp.me/pQ8xr-gr [16:29] happy birthday Darkwing [16:47] hi channel [16:53] valorie: Did I mention they released booktype? http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/02/16/141235/booktype-an-open-source-cross-platform-approach-to-e-book-publishing [16:53] what's that? [16:54] Riddell: the newer version of the platform that we wrote our KDE Guide on [16:54] *alot* smoother [16:54] Improvements by the bucketload [16:54] also, I'm on /. :P [16:55] * shadeslayer ponders what happened to his composting [16:55] shadeslayer: that's not what the thing nightrose is using is? [16:56] I don't think so, but I think it's a awesome platform [16:56] I'm not sure what Nightrose is using for her book tho [16:56] you might want to point her at it incase it's usefl [16:56] Good idea, I think she already knows about it [16:57] getting on slashdot is truely a sign you've made it in the geek world. alas it's sometimes a bad sign [16:58] bad sign? :O [16:58] * shadeslayer hopes not in this case [17:02] 3 gigs of ram required? [17:03] is that bc of the collaborative stuff? [17:05] huh> [17:06] s/>/?/ [17:06] shadeslayer meant: "huh?" [17:07] Riddell: is there a lightdm kcm module shipped with the greeter? [17:08] oh [17:08] derp, there it is [17:10] woo pgst 4.6 is packaged! <3 [17:35] hi guys I am trying on making package from source. If any one can help with som question plz write PM to me. [17:35] this application does is not in our repo. maybe good to mention that. [17:36] Ezim: Is it a package related to KDE? [17:36] if so, you can discuss it here ... [17:36] shadeslayer, yes . [17:36] I have created debian-folder [17:36] Ezim: you can just discuss the issue here [17:37] now on debian/control I need to write Build-Depends [17:37] there is already after creating debian-folder [17:37] debhelper (>= 8.0.0), cmake [17:38] right, and the problem is? [17:38] should I try to build and se if it ask for me build-depends in debian/control? [17:39] Ezim: those are the basic build depends for any KDE Package, you need to go through CMakeLists.txt to find out what else is required to build the package [17:39] shadeslayer, thx. that was what I was searching for. thx. [17:39] sure np :) [17:41] shadeslayer, it is not clear to me which is needed. [17:41] Ezim: pastebin the file somewhere :) [17:41] I can guide you through what is needed [17:42] shadeslayer, http://paste.kde.org/424106/ [17:43] http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Cantata?content=147733 (trying to build this one) [17:43] Ezim: lines 166 to 168, you need libqt4-dev [17:43] package from repo and build new one is easy (most times). [17:44] libqt4-dev <<--- that I know. also easyiso needed when i build it. [17:44] FIND_PACKAGE( KDE4 ) << kdelibs5-dev should do the trick there [17:44] line 199 : libtag1-dev [17:44] shadeslayer, say to me how you know which one to pick? [17:45] Ezim: it comes with practice :P [17:45] :( that does not really help me to understand [17:46] Ezim: okay, so do you want to know which dev headers to pick or how the variables are set? [17:46] shadeslayer, first one I suppose? [17:47] ah ok, so, lets take line 199 [17:47] find_package(Taglib) [17:47] that makes CMake search for Taglib, now in Ubuntu/Debian, most libraries are called libfooSOVERSION and development headers are libfoo-dev [17:48] if you do something like : apt-cache search libtaglib | grep dev , you get ... libtag1-dev [17:48] no wait : apt-cache search libtag | grep dev [17:48] :) [17:49] Ezim: so it's a bit of trial and error [17:49] Ezim: try line 246 for yourself [17:52] shadeslayer, okey lets take one thing first then jump to other. okey? this is to much for newbie me :). [17:52] :D [17:53] Ezim: sure, what's the problem? :) [17:53] from 166-168 how did you know it was libqt4-dev? [17:54] "SET( QT_USE_QTNETWORK TRUE )" <- Uses Qt headers [17:54] more specifically, the QtNetwork components [17:54] shadeslayer, I see. [17:54] sec [17:54] shadeslayer, is it okey I copy/paste all the things you write now? [17:54] sure [17:55] good to read afterwards [17:55] Ezim: http://qtnode.net/wiki/Qt4_with_cmake#cmake:_enable.2Fdisable_parts_of_the_qt_library [17:57] shadeslayer, sorry but what exactly supposed this link tell me? [17:58] Ezim: a brief explanation of the CMake vars that you can use to select certain parts of the Qt Library [18:00] shadeslayer, let me see if I understand correctly. "QT_USE_QTNETWORK TRUE" line 166 I now they want libqt4-dev. [18:00] correct? [18:00] Ezim: nope, that's just saying, Use the QtNetwork component of Qt [18:01] Ezim: line 171 says I need Qt to build [18:01] shadeslayer, now I see. [18:02] FIND_PACKAGE( KDE4 ) <<--- this always indicates on < kdelibs5-dev? [18:04] Ezim: yes, you can also specify the exact version of KDE you want like : FIND_PACKAGE(KDE4 4.6.90 REQUIRED) === Torpedo_Skyline is now known as TorpedoSkyline [18:04] where REQUIRED means you *have* to have KDE headers [18:04] shadeslayer, danke sire. [18:05] now let us see if I can find answer on find_package(Mtp) [18:05] sure no problem :) [18:05] I'm right here, feel free to ping [18:05] shadeslayer, :) I will bing do not worry. [18:08] shadeslayer, answer is: libmtp-dev ? [18:08] yep :) [18:09] shadeslayer, apt-cache search mtp | grep dev <<---- correct searching way or should I use muon? [18:10] Ezim: apt-cache offers more flexibility as compared to Muon, but then it's completely your choice [18:10] apt-cache allows me to pipe output to multiple grep's etc [18:10] shadeslayer, okey boss. [18:11] heh :P [18:11] Riddell: does yahoo work for you? [18:11] erm, on KDE Telepathy I mea [18:11] *mean [18:12] libqt4-dev, kdelibs5-dev, libtag1-dev and libmtp-dev are does that are needed? [18:12] beside the default ones [18:12] should do the trick [18:13] shadeslayer, danke sir. [18:17] shadeslayer, thx :) it worked. [18:17] \o/ [18:19] shadeslayer, is most of the kde/qt apps cmake or qmake? [18:19] mostly, yes [18:19] hey HakanS :). [18:19] Ezim: Hi. [18:20] HakanS, :) you know who I am? [18:20] changed my nick recently. [18:22] Ezim: Yes. Kurdistan. [18:49] HakanS, :) good. [18:49] shadeslayer, :) read my PM comment. [18:52] shadeslayer: is anyone from telepathy-qt4 upstream on irc? [18:53] debfx: yes, andrunko in #telepathy [18:54] thanks [18:55] np :) [18:59] shadeslayer, is there any good debian/(k)ubuntu way making patch with quilt? [18:59] document or so. [19:00] err ... maybe, lemme have a look [19:01] Ezim: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/QuiltMagic [19:03] shadeslayer, thx. [19:13] [kubuntu-default-settings] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20120217191346-m2f7hg05msiysixc * lib/plymouth/themes/kubuntu-logo/ (background.png kubuntu-logo.script) more wip [19:15] ohhhh the postal service [19:15] omnomnom [19:15] shadeslayer: yo [19:16] yo yo apachelogger [19:16] shadeslayer: how does one make ktp autoconnect on startup? [19:16] * apachelogger appears to be too stupid to make that happen [19:16] Good question, I can't seem to find such a option as well [19:17] uh, that is one big pita [19:17] I'm guessing you add the presence plasmoid and set your presence to online when you start :P [19:17] that is flawed [19:17] what if I forget :S [19:17] which I do all the time [19:17] shadeslayer: please be fixing :P [19:17] but what if you forget to go offline? [19:17] or tell someone [19:17] apachelogger: I'm not entirely sure if I want to be online as soon as I login [19:17] shadeslayer: no, there should be a tickbox 'always connect on login' [19:18] ah ok [19:18] although [19:18] * shadeslayer was debugging why yahoo stoppped working [19:18] -p [19:18] from a UX perspective restoring previous state woud be best :P [19:18] facebook is no worky for me [19:18] apachelogger: yeah, there's this weird fb xmpp bug where I have to login into facebook to send messages [19:18] happens on OS X for me as well [19:18] oh [19:18] now it works [19:18] curious [19:18] not sure why [19:19] yesterday it was failing claiming there was a network error [19:19] yeah, fb is weird [19:19] this is what happens when you use proprietary chat systems :P [19:20] and then release half baked wrapper interfaces around them [19:20] xmpp? [19:20] apachelogger: xmpp is just a wrapper around facebook's own implementation afaik [19:20] like what MSN did [19:20] "purple/yahoo-CRITICAL **: Authentication error: Account locked: Too many failed login attempts. Logging into the Yahoo! website may fix this.. Code 1213" [19:21] :/ [19:21] lp:~apachelogger/+junk/ksplash [19:21] even if they are now using xmpp, linux chat client will not be able to have webcam chat. [19:21] who uses that anyway? [19:22] from what I heared their webcam stuff is utter fail [19:22] apachelogger, :) people that uses msn? [19:22] even skype does better [19:22] i want to install android rom for my toshiba tg01 [19:22] curious question in a kubuntu channel ^^ [19:22] apachelogger, m$ is behind skype now. I think it will s-ck even more for us linux users. [19:23] whut [19:23] google hangouts are the only real thing anyway [19:23] touche [19:23] Riddell: telepathy-qt4 package is ready: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/telepathy-qt4_0.9.0+repack-0ubuntu3.debdiff [19:23] shadeslayer: microsof acquired skype like way back from ebay [19:23] 2 years ago I think [19:23] from ebay? are you sure? [19:23] seems skype is still largely independent though [19:23] I thought skype was independent from other orgs [19:23] shadeslayer: skype was acquired by ebay in like 2007 or so [19:24] hmm ... never heard of that, was still in school and sweating about how to get into a Uni [19:24] as long as amarok can eat my cpu everyone is happy [19:24] * apachelogger shoots amarok [19:25] wow, crash on exit [19:25] I love those [19:25] whee, yahoo working again [19:25] oh, akonadi also plays the cpu eating game? [19:25] do we have any software left that does not want to eat my cpu? [19:26] :) clementine is the sh-t. [19:27] * apachelogger needs to buy a PC [19:28] and a new laptop [19:28] and new speakers [19:28] * apachelogger doesn't have monies for either :( [19:29] apachelogger, :) there are kde user out there does not agree that akonadi eats cpu. [19:29] it usually doesn't [19:30] not sure what is wrong here [19:30] the system has been acting up all day [19:30] apachelogger, for me akonadi/virtuso likes eating cpu. [19:30] the trick is to not use nepomuk :P [19:30] apachelogger, exactly what I am doing now. [19:31] that bugger never worked for me, primarily because I have a gigantic home with all sorts of files [19:31] * apachelogger probably has a billion files in his home ^^ [19:31] apachelogger, I think there is lot of kde user that disables nepomuk. [19:32] apachelogger: try to exclude most of them for the indexing [19:32] bulldog98: nepomuk still has to do dir listing and whatnot [19:32] otherwise the exclusion wouldn't make sense [19:32] Ezim: I have it on [19:32] and doing that on my ~800 git repos + 300 bzr repos is a jolly bad idea [19:32] apachelogger: did you spend all your GSoC moniez on booze again? [19:33] sheytan: \o/ [19:33] sheytan: dude, we missed you [19:33] shadeslayer: yes :( [19:33] shadeslayer: and coke [19:33] apachelogger i hope so! :D [19:34] brb, let me eat my lunch first ;) [19:34] awww :( [19:34] apachelogger: more like cigarettes [19:34] sheytan: I hope you are feeling creative today, coz I has great things that need doing [19:34] first order of business: boot splash [19:34] alright, I'm off to bed [19:35] apachelogger, working on plymouth? [19:35] nini [19:35] bulldog98, not me. :) [19:35] sheytan: btw remember that asci mockup I made? [19:35] sheytan: muwhahaha : http://www.asciiflow.com/ [19:36] oh my I think I need to restart [19:36] it is all falling apart [19:36] sheytan: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/16/plasma-desktopT12928.png [19:36] I'd need a kubuntu logo for that [19:36] Ezim: I find it very usefull to search for content [19:37] sheytan: I was thinking about something sunken relief ... i.e. shadows going in as if kubuntu was carved into the wallpaper [19:37] * apachelogger is rebooting now [19:37] apachelogger, looks good but what is the difference from now? [19:37] apachelogger: Might I suggest just using the Kubuntu Icon and not the entire text? [19:37] bulldog98, oki. [19:37] shadeslayer: sure, if you tell me how in combo with aryia :P [19:37] you don't really need to use aryia ;) [19:38] just the logo, on a blue background [19:38] nah [19:38] keep it simple, really [19:38] blue doesn't work no more [19:38] it looks like crap going from blue to aryia grey [19:38] okay, something else, but just a simple gradient with the icon on it [19:38] screw gradients [19:38] this is not the 90s [19:38] :( [19:38] for all I care I'd all give you a 50mib initrd :P [19:39] like mine [19:39] just to ensure that it looks sexxi [19:39] not big fan of current ariya splash screen [19:39]