[00:00] hi [00:04] during a "your system has updates" type update with the muon updates system, it ias stopped at "Running post-installation trigger libc-bin" What is the best practice to do here. in the past i have just killed it, rebooted then tried to fix whatever errors occurred. Is there another way of doing things? [00:05] Think i have found the answer: http://askubuntu.com/questions/89401/first-update-after-fresk-kubuntu-install-hangs-because-of-dpkg-now-what === Torpedo_Skyline is now known as TorpedoSkyline [00:42] So im a day one user of kubuntu, literally just completed install, and I need ventrilo [00:42] found a post of a guy who says he figured out how to install it [00:42] but i have no idea what any of it means [00:42] anyone care to help? [00:43] And thanks in advance if you do [00:45] Is anyone home? [00:48] Hi Knusper [00:49] Good morning! [00:49] Evening for me [00:49] got a dumb question [00:49] how do I add repositories... [00:49] this is day 1 for me with Kubuntu [00:50] 2 ways [00:50] HI Avihay [00:50] u can add them in the update manager under edit and then sources [00:50] hi Jarli [00:50] sorry, where is the update manager? [00:51] im totally new to linux [00:51] well, last time nepomuk managed to trick me, but this time I've disabled it for sure [00:51] Hi qw_Russian [00:51] mmm, well there's an update notifier [00:52] and it just runs the package manager for you [00:52] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu ( here is everything explained) @Jarli [00:52] I recommend the terminal way ...its way faster when u get used to it [00:53] terminal, sounds like dos [00:53] lol.... [00:53] sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports [00:53] I know this sounds horrible, but I don't want to read... lol [00:53] this command for example to add backports for kubuntu (KDE 4.8) [00:54] just copy and paste the line into your terminal [00:54] I'm guessing Jarli want's to update to 4.8 [00:54] wants* [00:54] then copy this line then [00:55] I actually want Ventrilo [00:55] sudo apt-get update [00:55] I saw a post of a guy that is using Vent, and kubuntu, and I need it for a clan im in [00:55] some games I play :) [00:56] Jarli: Ventrilo's linux client doesn't work with their latest server release [00:56] it hasnt for the past 4 major version numbers [00:56] well, linux's ventrilo client is called mangler [00:56] can i hit ventrilo servers? [00:56] ......ventrilo?.......Teamspeak 3 is much better and has a Linux Client.....Vent is kinda"behind with the linux client) [00:56] that's all that really matters I guess [00:57] Knusper: yeah, but they want Ventrilo so we have to discourage it ;P [00:57] I know, I know [00:57] although some clans ahve used Vent for a long time [00:57] thats the issue [00:57] my clan has been using Vent for over 8 years [00:57] * EvilResistance says to that: "Oh well, deal with it, go get TS." [00:57] how am I, a peon "not really" in the clan gonna change that [00:57] Jarli: i convinced a clan i used to be in to switch to TS3 when i pointed out there's a mobile client [00:58] * EvilResistance won that battle [00:58] Vent also has a mobile client [00:58] at least for my droid it does lol [00:58] so can mangler hit vent servers? [00:59] Jarli: there's no ventrilo for the rest of Android and iOS [00:59] not to mention the other thousand mobile OSes including Windows Mobile [00:59] also not to mention ventrilo's extraordinarily lacking in licensing [00:59] Evil, I'll bet you 100 bucks I can get an android to connect to a vent server [00:59] and be as clear as a normal computer using it [01:00] How do I get Amarok to "keep playing" the next track [01:00] i'll bet you nothing because your opinion and my opinion don't have to agree [01:00] :P [01:00] Jarli good news mangler is in ur software packet already! [01:00] just open Synaptik [01:00] type in mangler , mark it then isntall it finish [01:01] I dont know where Synaptik is lol... [01:01] I've been using linux for about 15 minutes [01:01] alt+f>System>synaptics [01:02] you could just do this: apt-get install mangler [01:02] with sudo [01:02] alt+f1 or go to the "start" button [01:02] Knusper: 11.10 doesnt come with Synaptic installed by default [01:02] ohhh...... [01:02] 11.10 and later dont ship with it [01:02] they replaced it with thet Ubuntu Software Center [01:02] (which I call a piece of crap and burned) [01:02] subsequently, Kubuntu doesn't come with Synaptic either [01:02] Yeah I have something called Muon Package Manager [01:03] since Synaptic is GNOME [01:03] Jarli: in a terminal: apt-get install mangler [01:03] if you're on 11.10 or later it should work [01:03] you might need sudo [01:03] Already did, it's downloadinhg [01:03] er downloaded* [01:04] and now u can run it it shoult be in ur menu (it adds automaticly) menu+"start" button [01:05] yep, just trying to figure out how to connect to the server now [01:08] Jarli: also do yourself a favor and sudo apt-get install synaptic . It's a good mature package manager [01:08] can I setup my gmail account into the mail client for free? [01:08] sure [01:09] Jarli: yes, gmail give that service for free with instructions for various mail clients [01:17] if I can only get my password right, then I might actually get signed into mangler === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [01:22] now, is it worth it to install win 7 pro, 64 in a virtual box under kubuntu? [01:26] stop [01:26] quit [01:26] /quit [01:27] #quit [01:30] how come a fresh install of kubuntu without kubuntu-restricted-extras can play youtubue videos but a fresh install of ubuntu without ubuntu-restricted-extras cannot. === jmichaelx is now known as TheNocturnalist [01:37] @jarli....if u wanna play NO, its not worth it....if u wanna use some software (special programms u cant find under linux) then yes [01:49] hai [01:50] I was just going to browse desktop widgets, but the Plasma Desktop Shell Add-On Installer is reporting an Unknown Open Collaboration Service API error (0) [01:50] i know it worked yesterday === XartaoX is now known as artao [01:52] in synaptic i just did a 'fix all broken' which found nothing, and am now doing an upgrade via 'mark all upgrades' [01:52] then i'll reboot i suppose [01:53] Im in a jam between two graphics cards for a rig I'm setting up. the GTX 550 Ti, or the AMD HD 7770/7750. I've done research to find which is the 'better' of the two cards, and this is(in essence) what I have found to be true: the HDs have faster core clocks, however, are limited to 128-bit. the GTX has a better effective memory clock(by almost 4 times as much), and a 192-bit memory interface. This meals the HDs are limited to [01:53] I asked in ##hardware, but they are pretty busy at the moment, anyone have an idea about the question I shall pose: [01:53] my question is, would the 110MHz core clock difference be noticeable, especially with the difference in memory bit between the two cards? [01:55] is it a bitcoin mining rig? [01:56] no, this is a rig Im buying with actual USD [01:56] motherboard, RAM, the whole nine yards [01:58] nope === XartaoX is now known as artao [01:58] no luck on reboot either [01:58] How can I change the right hand bottom aduio device [01:59] i've looked through the settings and set the one I want as the prefered device [02:17] anyone home? [02:19] yes ;) [02:19] oh thank god [02:19] got another question [02:20] I know how to increase the volume for my head set, but the default volume in the bottom right, is set to another device [02:20] how do I change it to use my prefered device [02:21] which I have checked the setting, at least as far as I can see [02:21] and thanks again for the help [02:21] i might frequent this channel :P [02:21] open the KDE mixer (click on the specker symbol in the panel) [02:21] yep [02:21] i hav eit open [02:21] have * [02:22] playback devices put them all on max [02:22] max would blow my ears out for the one [02:22] it's playing music lol [02:22] one second [02:22] let me kill th emusic [02:22] yes but u can change the Global volume then easy [02:23] ok, both maxed, I can hear electric static coming from the main sound card [02:23] (head set) [02:23] now close the mixer [02:23] ok [02:24] the window is closed [02:24] and make the volume smaller (overall) [02:24] dont open the mixer [02:24] should I quit Kmix? [02:24] the only device displayed is the HD48 [02:24] it doesn't say global [02:24] which is why I was confused [02:25] it is global [02:25] I have the HD48 and the Internal Audio [02:25] Jarli: does right click on volume icon -> select master channel do what you want? [02:25] I don't have a multi-output system but it seems like it should [02:25] when u make it small does ur headsetsound also goes down? [02:25] I want the Internal Audio Channel, which is set [02:25] but the mixer shows the HD48 [02:27] Is there other info I can some how get to help troubleshoot this? [02:27] When I reduce the volume from the mixer (bot right) the volume doesn't change [02:28] HD48x) audio Digitial Stereo (HDMI) and Internal Audio Analog Stereo are the two devices [02:28] HD48x0 ** [02:30] AH, found it [02:30] the prefered device doesn't update the mixer [02:31] the kmix needs to be closed and reopened with Ctrl Q === zero is now known as Guest42842 [02:48] I'm installing 11.10 and setting up an encrypted LVM. [02:48] Should I still encrypt my home directory? [02:49] im completely new to linux [02:49] it's an option when you install [02:49] so i dont see a reason not to [02:49] but dont ask me === Torpedo_Skyline is now known as TorpedoSkyline [05:19] Hey almoxarife [05:19] hey [05:20] As mangdood suggested, can you have a look at bootcharts to help me mix boot time? I don't find 60s boot time to be normal [05:20] s/mix/fix* [05:20] er [05:20] orated: pastebin the bootchart [05:21] http://imagebin.org/199347 [05:21] That's recent [05:22] orated: really need firestarter? [05:23] No. [05:23] purging that package. [05:24] orated: run blutooth apps? [05:24] only the one default [05:24] BlueDevil [05:25] Kubuntu 11.10 KDE 4.7 [05:28] almoxarife: Do you see vmware and java process before nmbd? I don't get how java is starting in boot time. Even fsck is checking fs too often [05:28] orated: does vmware need to be a boot process? [05:29] No [05:29] orated: it is right now, no? [05:30] the process 'kerneloops' can go to, my opinion [05:31] Well, the whole strip related to a process in the bootchart shows time its alive and the dark part of it shows how much boot time it taks. firestarter.sh and bluetoothd hardly take 1s. [05:31] Yes.. [05:34] almoxarife: I understand its a big chart to check but I'm not sure what exactly to remove and how, hence asked :) The service manager in system settings doesn't list all services. So apart from removing package or changing exports/fstab config startup, is there a file to edit services on boot? [05:35] kubuntu-low-fat-settings <-- i installed it, did see an improvement [05:37] Sure, I'll try that. Thanks. [05:38] i am installing boot chart, so i can give you a comparison, i run lean, so it mean very little [05:39] Yes, sure [05:39] O [05:39] be right back [05:44] orated: http://imagebin.org/199350 [05:44] Even yours is crossing 1min [05:45] Is 60s normal for Kubuntu? I thought its 20-30s [05:46] orated: i never counted the time, i dont boot often, neither should you, and i am no purist about re-boot [05:47] almoxarife: Yes, I'm not concerned about boot time usually but I felt 1 min is not normal [05:48] almoxarife: So, you simply put it on suspend to ram/disk when not required? BTW how to start kubuntu-low-fat-settings? [05:48] orated: is it installed/? low fat? [05:49] Yes, I installed kubuntu-low-fat-settings package [05:50] orated: i expect that the changes were auto managed, and i suspend, alot, thats what its for [05:50] orated: now that you brought it up i need to check that, the low fat may need input [05:52] /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50lowfat <-- looks like it is handled at boot time [05:53] Yes, even I saw that in installed files [05:53] i never looked, i assumed it, [05:55] orated: want something to fixate on??? pick a task, any task, use task-scheduler to set it up, it wont work, and i hear gnome does the same thing, thats something to fixate on [05:56] eh fixate [05:57] better yet, strip akonadi out without crippling the rest of the system, [05:58] <`Korvin> Hey, I just installed the most recent version of kubuntu, and cannot run shell files [05:59] almoxarife: remove akonadi-server ? BTW what does $KDEDIRS mean? [06:00] orated: cant remove it, it removes alot of system with it [06:01] Yes. And got $KDEDIRS to be kde dir.. [06:02] http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=61892 , orated [06:04] almoxarife: Yes, I'm on the same page. I'm not getting how you would strip akonadi w/o affecting remaining of the system [06:05] orated: that is my fixation [06:09] U alright [06:09] Alright* [06:10] Thanks almoxarife [06:11] orated: welcome [06:20] `Korvin: Are the script files executable? [06:21] <`Korvin> orated, the issue was that I had it on an ntfs formatted filesystem [06:23] Was? So its solved? My guess is that for ntfs/vfat they got text files as non executable where bash file or sh file helps [06:24] <`Korvin> yeah [06:24] <`Korvin> something like that === XartaoX is now known as artao === fofire is now known as Ceelo === zz_r3v0 is now known as r3v0 === Ceelo is now known as fofire === fofire is now known as Ceelo [07:39] m [07:58] notifications no longer pop up when they occur (in 4.8). The notification icon appears, and my notification pops up if i click it, but it does not pop up otherwise. Is this a recent change? [08:00] well, one just popped up... guess they just don't always. [09:41] update notification not working in kubuntu 11.10 - no yellow icon in tray, no popup. In muon notifications are enabled, anyone knows how to fix this? [09:42] i have 3 computers with kubuntu 11.10 and problem occurs only on one of them === peace is now known as Peac- === Peac- is now known as Peace- === administrator is now known as Guest69471 [11:12] Can anyone help me get my touchpad running again ?? I've googled enough but couldn't do it === Felde is now known as Feldegast === Torpedo_Skyline is now known as TorpedoSkyline === dbeuerlein is now known as Jarli [12:51] Morning all [13:28] 'Morning All [13:29] Morning BluesKaj [13:30] hi Jarli === ethif_ is now known as ethif [13:35] Anyone here use Qmail server? === hawk_ is now known as Guest83985 [14:00] Lol jarli is like a sponge xD she sucks all the knowledge out of us ;) [14:00] <- is a dude [14:00] But yes [14:00] then he xD [14:00] Yesterday I was at home, now im at work [14:01] im still at work too....10 pm....it sucks [14:01] Trying to figure out if there is a way to get an out of office feature into Thunderbird, so the end user doesn't have to login to the web interface to set out of office [14:02] We were sold a system, and the guy who sold it to us is really helpful, but he'd busy at the moment [14:02] so im trying to find something that might do this [14:03] That sucks, were you at work last night when I spoke to you? [14:03] it's been like 1 4hours [14:03] 14* hours [14:03] that was morning....yes....but they pay well so its ok and im lucky enough to love my work [14:05] cool cool [14:05] where are you based? [14:06] shenzhen china [14:06] Wow [14:07] other side of the world [14:07] New York, USA === ayush is now known as a_agarwal === a_agarwal is now known as ContraMundum === bigjools is now known as bigjools-afk [15:02] needs some help I am tring to install a i386 deb file in a 64 bit install. in ubuntu (gnome) the installer will down load the need i386 package and install the app. how do i do this kd [15:03] #ubuntu [15:03] sudo apt-get install :i386 ? [15:04] it is advised to use 'kdesudo' over just 'sudo' when doing any commands in the terminal? [15:05] no just gui programs [15:05] I'm writing some documentation for a training session we start tomorrow for kids. We had used Ubuntu [15:05] but now i'm trying to understand how some of these comamands should go in Kubuntu(KDE) [15:05] I know that :P it just give a a "wrong architecture i386" not what package or missing or needed [15:06] if its a gui program then you need to use kdesudo , if its a cli program then sudo should be fine [15:06] so if you are going to launch something gui you should use (kdesudo) is that correct sithlord48, other than that you can just use (sudo) [15:06] designbybeck: that [15:06] s what I understood too [15:07] so any 'sudo apt-get' is ok as is [15:07] designbybeck: kdesudo => for gui programs ; sudo for shell program [15:07] yes. [15:07] no need for 'kdesudo apt-get' [15:07] Ok thank you Peace- [15:07] are there any programs you "run" normally by going to the command line and luanching the gui with 'kdesudo' ? [15:07] !kdesudo [15:07] In KDE use « kdesudo » (or « kdesu » for Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! | See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to find out why [15:10] http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.04.4-lts-release 10.04.4 LTS update released [15:11] oh hi mr riddell . [15:12] thank you for all the great work you do on kubuntu ! [15:13] I second that sithlord48 [15:13] kudos all KDE/Kubuntu developers and contributers! Thank you all! [15:21] hi [15:24] you're welcome sithlord48, designbybeck [15:25] kde or gnome? [15:26] i would like to help i just don't know what to help with.. [15:27] okay [15:28] kde or gnome what tekton? [15:28] does kubu has widgets to show wallpapers from sites? [15:29] i hear that 4.8 has got DAY FOTO... what is that, i don't get it [15:29] ) [15:30] got a question, last night I was working on my system, and messing around with the audio controllers. I had two of them, well in order for me to change the default audio device (in the bottom right) I had to quit and reopen the Kmix app. But the app offers the option of " Select default device" [15:30] should it not change automatically? [15:34] it should, did u change it in system settings->mulitmedia? [15:58] @Aelingil I think you can install it from the repositories [16:03] sorry for the delay [16:04] well i ctrl q the app, and started it again, then the default device changed [16:04] but was just curious if it was a bug [16:05] so now, when I increase or decrease the volume using the kmix app in the bottom right, the volume changes accordingly === EyesIsServer is now known as Eyes|Infinite === ubuntu is now known as Unlce_Mike [16:53] Is Cononical really defunding the kubuntu project? [16:54] Scunizi: they're stopping me from working on it in work time [16:54] they'll still give it resources same as xubuntu does or oneiric when I wasn't working on it [16:55] So it will remain part of the ubuntu family but will need more outside devs to help it keep up? [16:55] volunteer devs? [16:57] Riddell_: I ask because I use it on my production machine and need to plan for the future. If it will remain and still get love that would be great. If not I may need to jump ship to a different distro or fork. Unity is fine for my laptop but my dual monitor desktop becomes less productive with unity. [16:58] Scunizi: I expect it to remain and get love but we're still sorting out how and who would be involved [16:58] I don't imagine the kde packages in ubuntu would just disappear though, too many users for that to happen [16:59] Riddell_: that's some comfort. Thanks for all your past help with the project. I'm not a coder but can appriciate those that can. [16:59] Kubuntu doesn't need coders usually, many other skills can contribute :) [17:00] Scunizi, you can help Kubuntu by reporting bug or just be here and help others. [17:00] Kubuntu have really nice team of people. [17:00] Riddell_: well I do file bugs.. the things that has always confused me is when kde release a new point update, how do we do that upgrade in kubuntu? Enable backports? use a ppa? [17:01] Scunizi, you add kubuntu backports ppa. [17:01] point releases are in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa [17:01] Sentynel, +1 [17:01] minor releases are in /backports [17:01] And is that wise on a production machine or do I risk breakage? [17:01] Scunizi: instructions are on kubuntu.org. for 0.0.1 releases it's a ppa then a bit later updates. for 0.1.0 releases it's the kubuntu/backports PPA [17:02] I've never had issues with the point releases from the ppa, personally [17:02] occasionally some oddities with the minor releases, but nothing critical [17:02] Scunizi, for me 4.8.0 on Kubuntu 11.10 have been more stable then 4.7.* [17:02] Used it from day one [17:02] Scunizi: 0.0.1 releases in PPAs are usually fine, 0.0.1 in updates almost always fine, 0.1.0 releases less so === vivek is now known as Guest37260 [17:03] I would think the 0.1.0 would be a higher release and thus a bit more stable.. not sure I understand the numerical sceme === Guest37260 is now known as pvivek [17:04] Scunizi: the standard for 3-digit release numbers is usually major.minor.point; point releases are bugfix only, minor releases add stuff [17:04] so stability should increase from point releases, but minor releases are more likely to introduce new bugs [17:05] Sentynel: ah ok.. How do I verify which desktop version I'm running currently? numerically speaking? [17:05] Scunizi: any kde software has it in the help > about kde menu [17:06] So I'm at 4.7.4 .. and the update looks like it would be worth it then. [17:07] If I have backports enabled in my repo's and add the ppa/backports will there be conflicts? [17:08] i want to start contributing to kubuntu [17:08] I have used linux from quite a sometime now. I am contributing for the first time. Would be very glad if someone can guide me how to get started. [17:09] have any one tested? Cantata? (kde application) [17:09] no , they aren't the same , one will upgrade packages , the other upgrades kde [17:09] BluesKaj: thanks.. adding and upgrading now :) [17:10] BBL [17:11] anyone know where I can get daisy plasma widget? [17:12] wow no anyone [17:14] jcook_5xdata: perhaps here.. http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=102077 [17:15] Scunizi: been there done that. if you click the download link it take you to a ppa and if you look in the packages it not there [17:17] anyone know of a good dock for KDE then [17:17] most the one I know are for gnome/gtk [17:18] jcook_5xdata: just a Jaunty/Karmic/Lucid/Maverick links.. once you're in the ppa you might send the owner an email and ask. [17:19] jcook_5xdata: unless the widget is buried in one of the other packages. [17:30] Scunizi: I guess I will build it from source unless you know of a good docy for KDE [17:30] s/docy/dock [17:31] jcook_5xdata: Though it's not specifically KDE, Cairo is a nice dock. [17:31] does that use QT or gtk? [17:32] Not sure, probably GTK. [17:32] cool I will check it out === bigjools-afk is now known as bigjools [17:43] hi all! My sysrem become super slow, the HD led is consatantly blinking, however only one strange thing inSystem activities: virtuoso-tuses 25% of CPU. Any ideas where to start? [17:43] *system [17:44] excognac: it's the file indexing service / nepokum thing [17:45] Avihay: Thank you! What my cause this issue? Ho do I detect it? [17:47] Anyone know how to disable the "title bar click to move" thing, I mean I still want to be able to move it, but I don't want mis clicks from Google Chrome moving my browser :P [17:47] excognac: It's all part of the KDE semantic desktop. You should have a small icon in your systray, looks like a handwritten uppercase "G". [17:48] excognac: Or you can disable it altogether in System Settings. [17:48] as far as I understand, the issue is that the file-watcher service (watches which files change = need indexing) is limited by default to less then the number of files you have, so it takes no chanses and reindexes your entire filesystem every time [17:48] DarthFrog: how? [17:48] Avihay: And so far I've not found any use for it whatsoever, other than to be a nuisance and get in the way. [17:49] Avihay: System Settings / Desktop Search [17:49] it has some nice features, especially if you tag your files, there are now even usefull scripts to take advantage of that [17:49] DarthFrog: tried that, didn't work (removed all the checkmarks) [17:50] excognac: opendesktop.org/content/show.php?content=148910 [17:52] clone1018: try going to System Settings > Window Behavior > click on window behavior on the left, then check the 'title bar' tab to see if anything there can help. [17:52] I have and none of them seem to effect it at all [17:52] then I do not know. Sorry. [17:53] someone might though :) [17:55] Avihay: Sorry, I don't quite get it... [17:57] there's software that uses the nepomuk infrastructure in a way that you may find usefull. it takes all the TV show on your HDD, and retrieves their chapter info and extra-data, and enable you to browse your collection === Torpedo_Skyline is now known as TorpedoSkyline === serserar is now known as Guest70776 [19:28] hi [19:28] what's new in kubuntu 12.04 lts? [19:30] Dani_TM: Wrong channel. You want #ubuntu+1 [19:30] Hi Dani and Darth === michael is now known as Guest18881 === Rovanion is now known as RovAway [20:15] Jarli: sorry for my super long delay, i noticed this behavor also, i switch between hdmi and optical for sound out and everytime i have to close amarok and restart before the device changes. === tommy_ is now known as Guest98027 [20:24] ya [20:24] this wasn't aramark though, this was the sound controller Kmix === c_ is now known as ECO19 [20:58] LinuxMint has a nice 50+page PDF manual. I found this site, but I can't find anything else like a downloadable offline manual for Kubuntu: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Kubuntu_Oneiric [20:58] Is there such manual [21:24] That manual is big though [21:25] Would be very nice if Kubuntu did have a manual like Mint does... [21:33] Jarli: is there one to download? [21:33] not that I know of [21:33] I was looking for one the other day [21:33] and didn't find anything [21:38] well shucks! [21:38] eh [21:38] I bet they hid it right inside of the operating system lol [21:38] should check there first [21:38] Jarli: i was hoping to have an offline component for documentation. We are donating computers to kids, and some will not have internet access [21:39] good point ;) [21:39] *looking at Kubuntu Help now* [21:40] this does seem to be pretty straight forward Jarli [21:40] Im at work at the moment, and only installed kubuntu on my personal computer last night [21:40] but things are pretty well planned [21:41] Im trying to get mint to run on an old P4 system... with 256k memory... [21:41] haha lets hope that it works [21:41] cool [21:41] i don't know about LinuxMint on something that old, have you looked at Xbuntu? [21:41] or Puppy Linux Jarli? [21:41] what's Puppy Linux? [21:42] Jarli: http://puppylinux.org/main/Overview%20and%20Getting%20Started.htm [21:42] It is very cute and cuddly and runs on old hardware [21:43] That would probably be better, as all I need on this machine is word processing. [21:43] and maybe, in the future internet [21:44] thanks for the tip [21:50] no prob Jarli, pay it forward [21:54] really?? Pay it Forward... totally stole that line from the movie "Pay it Forward" [21:54] :P [21:55] anyways im headed home [21:55] have a good night [21:58] ;) [21:58] good luck with it Jar === bardo is now known as ^Bardo^ === Uncle_Fester is now known as igor_ === igor_ is now known as Uncle_Fester [22:23] hello [22:23] i have a real problem with ubuntu\ [22:24] i have no sound [22:24] can anyone help [22:24] i'm using kde 4.8 through the backports ppa, for some reason i can't blacklist radeon(my graphics card) [22:24] i put the arguement "blacklist radeon" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf and then updated grub [22:24] that generally works [22:25] it was working for months, and just now it stopped [22:25] Uncle_Fester: dude can't you see i'm asking questions right now [22:25] jeez [22:25] i'm joking [22:26] oh, i wasn't aware that i was pm'ing someone. i thought this was an open chat [22:26] Uncle_Fester: it is an open chat [22:26] Uncle_Fester: nuse is just being silly [22:27] ok [22:27] well hopefully i can get some assistance on my sound issue [22:27] Uncle_Fester: have you by any chance rebooted since it stopped woring? [22:27] yeah, i was just joking [22:27] *working [22:27] yes [22:27] Uncle_Fester: did the breakage coincide with you doing updates? [22:28] tried a cold boot also [22:28] there was some updates after it happened [22:29] before is more what i was concerned about [22:29] i know my sound is good cause i can boot into windows and get sound [22:29] open up a terminal and type this uncle_fester [22:29] ps -A | grep pulse [22:29] ok' [22:30] Uncle_Fester: if you do "speaker-test -c 0" do you hear white noise? [22:30] should it start on its own [22:31] pulse or the white noise? [22:31] i put the commands you told me [22:31] no sound\ [22:32] its playing front left [22:32] and still i hear nothing [22:32] Uncle_Fester: what are your phonon settings? [22:33] what is that? [22:33] Uncle_Fester: using kubuntu? [22:33] no ubuntu [22:33] more importantly why can't i blacklist my graphics card [22:33] haha, i'm sorry, once again i'm joking [22:33] Uncle_Fester: and kubuntu is going to fix it? [22:34] i dont understand [22:34] Uncle_Fester: the channel you are on is for 'kubuntu' [22:35] well how do i get to ubuntu? [22:35] try #ubuntu [22:35] they might could be of more help [22:35] thanks [22:35] no problem [22:36] nuse, you want to blacklist? [22:36] yeah [22:36] i want a gui for cli [22:36] i've never had a problem blacklisting it before [22:36] where does the word Muon for the Software Center come from? [22:36] for some reason it won't work [22:36] i'm assuming its a grub issue maybe [22:36] nuse, what do you have for card? [22:36] My laptop screen is blank without a hook up to an external monitor...I keep trying to change the settings, and save them but it is not having an effect. how can I make kde show up on my monitor? Force it to show up on my laptop default monitor? [22:37] Because i see a Software company called Muon [22:37] ati radeon 6650 [22:37] nuse, kdesudo kate /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf [22:38] i put the proper arguements in there via nano [22:38] to no avail [22:38] !kdesudo [22:38] In KDE use « kdesudo » (or « kdesu » for Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! | See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to find out why [22:38] generally "blacklist radeon" [22:38] generally that works [22:39] nuse: cant you ignore the card at the bios? === artao is now known as artao|sasquatch [22:40] nuse, cat /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf [22:40] plz paste pastebin [22:40] almoxarife, if so i never noticed you could [22:41] aight give me a second [22:41] nuse: might look [22:42] inhttp://pastebin.com/F4gksMWK [22:42] yeah i will check into that [22:42] thanks [22:42] that last arguement generally works like a champ [22:43] nuse, it looks correct. [22:43] weird [22:43] yeah, i've updated grub as well [22:44] canis__: laptops usually have a key-combo to switch between screen output modes, in my laptop, it actually works, so you might aswell try in yours [22:44] any try the 3.2 kernel from x-orgers? [22:44] all they tell me in ubuntu is to unmute. [22:44] nuse, does this work instead: http://askubuntu.com/questions/36268/how-do-i-blacklist-the-gallium-ati-driver [22:44] hai: just installed KDE this week after using Ubuntu Studio with XFCE for a couple weeks .... none of the screensavers work properly anymore ... most disply nothing, others show wonky, blocky, screwed up graphics [22:44] i only installed the BASE KDE plasma desktop enviroment, and have been adding in bits and pieces as i need 'em [22:45] almoxarife: yeah, it kind of breaks my trackpad [22:45] openGL screensavers worked fine under XFCE ... also under Live distros with KDE [22:46] nuse, do you have hybrid card? [22:46] i imagine i'm only missing some component(s) but have no idea how to figure out which one(s) [22:46] what do you mean hybrid card? [22:47] i'll try the askubuntu method right now [22:47] nuse, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics [22:47] artao|sasquatch: is this package installed?? xscreensaver-gl [22:47] i'll check ... [22:47] nuse, lspci | grep VGA <<--- plz paste information you get. [22:48] oh, no i don't have switchable graphics [22:48] and that askubuntu method is irrevelant to me, thats not my model ati card [22:48] yes. also xscreensave-gl-extra [22:48] nuse, I see. [22:48] What would that key combo be, or where can I find it? [22:49] 0:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) [22:49] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc NI Seymour [AMD Radeon HD 6470M] [22:49] excuse me i have 6470 not the 6650 [22:49] nuse, :) it is a hybrid card. [22:49] Avihay: What would that key combo be, or where can I find it? [22:49] .... also xscreensaver, xscreensaver-data, xscreensaver-data-extra [22:49] Ezim: oh, i must have misunderstood the question, i honestly didn't read your link, heh [22:50] on my laptop, it's Fn + f2 , the fn button is blue, and there is a picture of a box (approximation of a screen) on F2 [22:50] i thought you meant did i have switchable graphics setup where i could switch between my card and intel's intergrated graphics [22:50] sometimes it's f5 or f7, but there is nothing preventing it from being anything else [22:50] nuse, read that link and also: http://linux-hybrid-graphics.blogspot.com/ [22:50] hmmm ...... mesa appears to not be installed [22:50] artao|sasquatch: is the option to use opengl screensavers checked? [22:51] nuse, you can also if you only want to use intel, try in bios disable ati. [22:51] ummmm [22:51] all those sites are how to setup switching when i just want to disable/blacklist my card [22:51] nuse: maybe the GFX card driver name changed? look up for an ATIish name in lsmod? [22:51] i'm gonna try that now [22:52] still radeon i think [22:52] almoxarife: i don't see that option in the screensavers settings panel [22:52] xorg updated so that might have something to do with it [22:52] nuse, some laptop have option to disable ati. [22:52] yeah, brb, gonna mess with bios [22:52] nuse, if you disable in bios :) xorg update does not do a thing [22:52] artao|sasquatch: the 'random' tab does not offer up option for 'use opengl'?? [22:53] hi guys [22:53] is anyone here? :) [22:53] no [22:53] ahhh ... yes, it does ... rather merely to "use OpenGL screensavers" ... not a "just" option tho [22:54] ah, i guess its pretty empty then [22:54] regardless, i've just been 'trying' them, and none of them display right [22:54] i'm wondering about this mesa thing now .... what would i install to simply 'get it all' in one go? [22:54] i do 3D cgi, so i imagine i'll be needing mesa at some point anyhow .. [22:54] artao|sasquatch: look at your xorg log [22:55] oh dear [22:55] artao|sasquatch: assuming you have intel graphics you want 'mesa' [22:56] Do you guys think you could help me something once you're done? [22:56] tony_: ask! [22:57] I installed KDE's plasma desktop over Unity and now when I restart I get the Kubuntu splash and login screen [22:57] hmmm ... don't see any errors ... i could !pastebinit ... console command would be?? um ..... [22:57] Personally, I liked the layout of Unity's login screen more, as well as its splash... [22:57] 'tony_thats correct [22:57] Do you have any idea on how to revert? [22:58] tony_: install 'lightdm' remove 'kdm' , and good luck with the issues that may cause [22:58] where would my x.org.log be? $HOME ?? [22:59] artao|sasquatch: /var/log/..... [22:59] cat $HOME/X.org.log [22:59] oops, this isn't the console .. heh .. sry [23:02] think i got it. here :: http://paste.ubuntu.com/846547/ [23:02] i didn't see a X.org.log .. just Xorg.0.log .. and that's it [23:03] i see it's pretty gorarm long there ... i have no clue what to look for [23:06] artao|sasquatch: your driver is not fglrx, what is it? [23:07] artao|sasquatch: Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0) [23:07] ummm .... ati x600 ... just whatever got installed, i changed nothing [23:07] my bios doesn't have a setting to disable my card [23:07] :( [23:07] i know i can't use the radeon drivers [23:08] i'll be replacing my gfx card within the next few weeks with an nvidia gtx 500 something .. prolly gtx 560 [23:08] also my desktop minimize effect is being weird, instead of minimizing to the task tab it scales out sometimes [23:08] artao|sasquatch: goram* [23:08] sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't [23:08] kde is really starting to piss me off [23:08] nuse: maybe the GFX card driver name changed? look up for an ATIish name in lsmod? [23:09] nuse: Kubuntu uses the KDE desktop. [23:09] i did, still says radeon to my knowledge [23:09] em: yeah i know [23:09] em: "KDE's Plasma Desktop" :) [23:09] I like it :) [23:10] nuse: pastebin it for me? [23:10] Avihay: http://pastebin.com/nd8nJTNh [23:10] artao|sasquatch: are are using radeon drivers [23:10] artao|sasquatch: you are using radeon drivers [23:12] i see [23:12] nuse: pastebin Xorg.0.log from /var/log/ [23:12] i was JUST NOW going to install the fglrx package ... Go?? [23:12] artao|sasquatch: go, [23:13] it looks like i can install EITHER fglrx OR fglrx-updates [23:13] hmm [23:13] mkey, then I'm clueless. you can go and remove the package, or locate radeon.ko and delete the stuff, that's how I was forced to deal with nepomuk [23:13] as my card is older, i assume i want just fglrx [23:13] this i will do [23:13] artao|sasquatch: both, or fgrlx first [23:13] http://pastebin.com/Gkpc6JF5 [23:14] oh snap! i didn't even think to just delete radeon.ko [23:14] interestingly, selecting fglrx-updates deselects fglrx [23:14] try the package manager first [23:14] i'm gonna let almoxarife check out my xorg log before i commit to that [23:15] but that sounds like whats gonna happen [23:16] installing ... [23:16] ... and how should i feel about mesa?? [23:17] ... i wonder if this 'fglrx' thing is why i seem to get no textures in Spring Engine games as well ... hmmmmmm [23:19] Jockey advertising FGLRX is like advertising sharp toys with lead paint [23:19] :) [23:19] some people can only learn by hurting themselves I think [23:20] rebooting [23:20] nuse: i dont see 'mesa' drivers [23:20] artao|sasquatch: 'mesa' is intel, you are ati, forget mesa [23:21] nuse: do you have the updated graphics ppa in sources? [23:22] no [23:22] i just want to blacklist it honestly [23:23] where can i find the ppa though? [23:23] nuse, did bios work for you? [23:23] nope [23:23] no option there, i was pretty sure but i figured i would check [23:24] nuse, http://linux-hybrid-graphics.blogspot.com/2012/01/improved-support-for-amd-hybrid.html [23:24] nuse: add this to your sources http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/ppa/ubuntu/ distribution 'oneiric' components 'main' [23:25] nuse: using synaptic? [23:25] nuse, really read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics [23:26] ok [23:26] that completely broke my settings [23:26] using muon mainly [23:26] reading now.... [23:26] now not only DON'T screensavers work, neither does my dual display ... it insists on cloning the display and won't let me set them side-by-side [23:26] grrrrr. [23:27] removing fglrx and rebooting [23:28] nuse: the same applies to muon, [23:28] yeah i know [23:29] muon has pretty much the same functionality as synaptic so i use muon mainly these days [23:32] nuse: the simple ppa add 'ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa' [23:34] yeah i've already added it [23:34] hello, someone recently mention that there was a keyboard shortcut to change monitor outputs? Does anyone know what it is? [23:34] nuse: i notices that once i was running the updated drivers i stopped crashing opengl, being a ppa you need to be aware of the down side [23:35] yeah, i'm gonna update right now and reboot and see if i can notice any differences [23:35] thanks for the info [23:35] bbl [23:35] fglrx removed .. system back to normal [23:36] trying installing mesa [23:36] muon doesn't have the feedback that synaptic has... [23:36] My systems settings monitor config will not save I guess. I keep changing the setup, and saving, but everytime I boot without an external monitor my screen goes blank. At least in KDE it does, in E17 it works fine. [23:36] XartaoX: mesa is intel [23:37] i stayed with synaptic , muon confuses me [23:39] muon has a retarded search [23:44] my desktop effects seem a little smoother, could be in my head though [23:44] system back up and normal ... still no screensavers [23:45] just looking at one of the fractal screensavers .. coral it was ... it LOOKS like it's setting the screen resolution ridiculously low ... like 320 x 240 or so [23:45] as i said ... screensavers worked FINE under XFCE and Live KDE distros [23:46] nuse: i guess it worked :) [23:50] just double checked and yep .. all the screensavers work fine under XFCE ... including the one's installed FOR kde [23:50] i must be missing some kde component, or there's some kde settings mishmash somewhere === XartaoX is now known as artao [23:58] well. i guess screensavers really aren't all that important to me ... and everything else appears to work fine [23:58] so i'll leave this issue for later and see if a new vic-card fixes it [23:58] =]