[00:00] <grmls> hi
[00:04] <ussher_> during a "your system has updates" type update with the muon updates system, it ias stopped at "Running post-installation trigger libc-bin"  What is the best practice to do here.  in the past i have just killed it, rebooted then tried to fix whatever errors occurred.  Is there another way of doing things?
[00:05] <ussher_> Think i have found the answer: http://askubuntu.com/questions/89401/first-update-after-fresk-kubuntu-install-hangs-because-of-dpkg-now-what
[00:42] <Jarli> So im a day one user of kubuntu, literally just completed install, and I need ventrilo
[00:42] <Jarli> found a post of a guy who says he figured out how to install it
[00:42] <Jarli> but i have no idea what any of it means
[00:42] <Jarli> anyone care to help?
[00:43] <Jarli> And thanks in advance if you do
[00:45] <Jarli> Is anyone home?
[00:48] <Jarli> Hi Knusper
[00:49] <Knusper> Good morning!
[00:49] <Jarli> Evening for me
[00:49] <Jarli> got a dumb question
[00:49] <Jarli> how do I add repositories...
[00:49] <Jarli> this is day 1 for me with Kubuntu
[00:50] <Knusper> 2 ways
[00:50] <Jarli> HI Avihay
[00:50] <Knusper> u can add them in the update manager under edit and then sources
[00:50] <Avihay> hi Jarli
[00:50] <Jarli> sorry, where is the update manager?
[00:51] <Jarli> im totally new to linux
[00:51] <Avihay> well, last time nepomuk managed to trick me, but this time I've disabled it for sure
[00:51] <Jarli> Hi qw_Russian
[00:51] <Avihay> mmm, well there's an update notifier
[00:52] <Avihay> and it just runs the package manager for you
[00:52] <Knusper> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu ( here is everything explained) @Jarli
[00:52] <Knusper> I recommend the terminal way ...its way faster when u get used to it
[00:53] <Jarli> terminal, sounds like dos
[00:53] <Jarli> lol....
[00:53] <Knusper> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[00:53] <Jarli> I know this sounds horrible, but I don't want to read... lol
[00:53] <Knusper> this command for example to add backports for kubuntu (KDE 4.8)
[00:54] <Knusper> just copy and paste the line into your terminal
[00:54] <Avihay> I'm guessing Jarli want's to update to 4.8
[00:54] <Avihay> wants*
[00:54] <Knusper> then copy this line then
[00:55] <Jarli> I actually want Ventrilo
[00:55] <Knusper> sudo apt-get update
[00:55] <Jarli> I saw a post of a guy that is using Vent, and kubuntu, and I need it for a clan im in
[00:55] <Jarli> some games I play :)
[00:56] <EvilResistance> Jarli:  Ventrilo's linux client doesn't work with their latest server release
[00:56] <EvilResistance> it hasnt for the past 4 major version numbers
[00:56] <Avihay> well, linux's ventrilo client is called mangler
[00:56] <Jarli> can i hit ventrilo servers?
[00:56] <Knusper> ......ventrilo?.......Teamspeak 3 is much better and has a Linux Client.....Vent is kinda"behind with the linux client)
[00:56] <Jarli> that's all that really matters I guess
[00:57] <EvilResistance> Knusper:  yeah, but they want Ventrilo so we have to discourage it ;P
[00:57] <Jarli> I know, I know
[00:57] <EvilResistance> although some clans ahve used Vent for a long time
[00:57] <Jarli> thats the issue
[00:57] <Jarli> my clan has been using Vent for over 8 years
[00:57]  * EvilResistance says to that: "Oh well, deal with it, go get TS."
[00:57] <Jarli> how am I, a peon "not really" in the clan gonna change that
[00:57] <EvilResistance> Jarli:  i convinced a clan i used to be in to switch to TS3 when i pointed out there's a mobile client
[00:58]  * EvilResistance won that battle
[00:58] <Jarli> Vent also has a mobile client
[00:58] <Jarli> at least for my droid it does lol
[00:58] <Jarli> so can mangler hit vent servers?
[00:59] <EvilResistance> Jarli:  there's no ventrilo for the rest of Android and iOS
[00:59] <EvilResistance> not to mention the other thousand mobile OSes including Windows Mobile
[00:59] <EvilResistance> also not to mention ventrilo's extraordinarily lacking in licensing
[00:59] <Jarli> Evil, I'll bet you 100 bucks I can get an android to connect to a vent server
[00:59] <Jarli> and be as clear as a normal computer using it
[01:00] <Jarli> How do I get Amarok to "keep playing" the next track
[01:00] <EvilResistance> i'll bet you nothing because your opinion and my opinion don't have to agree
[01:00] <EvilResistance> :P
[01:00] <Knusper> Jarli good news mangler is in ur software packet already!
[01:00] <Knusper> just open Synaptik
[01:00] <Knusper> type in mangler , mark it then isntall it finish
[01:01] <Jarli> I dont know where Synaptik is lol...
[01:01] <Jarli> I've been using linux for about 15 minutes
[01:01] <Knusper> alt+f>System>synaptics
[01:02] <EvilResistance> you could just do this: apt-get install mangler
[01:02] <EvilResistance> with sudo
[01:02] <Knusper> alt+f1 or go to the "start" button
[01:02] <EvilResistance> Knusper:  11.10 doesnt come with Synaptic installed by default
[01:02] <Knusper> ohhh......
[01:02] <EvilResistance> 11.10 and later dont ship with it
[01:02] <EvilResistance> they replaced it with thet Ubuntu Software Center
[01:02] <EvilResistance> (which I call a piece of  crap and burned)
[01:02] <EvilResistance> subsequently, Kubuntu doesn't come with Synaptic either
[01:02] <Jarli> Yeah I have something called Muon Package Manager
[01:03] <EvilResistance> since Synaptic is GNOME
[01:03] <EvilResistance> Jarli:  in a terminal: apt-get install mangler
[01:03] <EvilResistance> if you're on 11.10 or later it should work
[01:03] <EvilResistance> you might need sudo
[01:03] <Jarli> Already did, it's downloadinhg
[01:03] <Jarli> er downloaded*
[01:04] <Knusper> and now u can run it it shoult be in ur menu (it adds automaticly) menu+"start" button
[01:05] <Jarli> yep, just trying to figure out how to connect to the server now
[01:08] <Avihay> Jarli: also do yourself a favor and sudo apt-get install synaptic     . It's a good mature package manager
[01:08] <Jarli> can I setup my gmail account into the mail client for free?
[01:08] <Knusper> sure
[01:09] <Avihay> Jarli: yes, gmail give that service for free with instructions for various mail clients
[01:17] <Jarli> if I can only get my password right, then I might actually get signed into mangler
[01:22] <Jarli> now, is it worth it to install win 7 pro, 64 in a virtual box under kubuntu?
[01:26] <rory> stop
[01:26] <rory> quit
[01:26] <Unit193> /quit
[01:27] <rory> #quit
[01:30] <em> how come a fresh install of kubuntu without kubuntu-restricted-extras can play youtubue videos but a fresh install of ubuntu without ubuntu-restricted-extras cannot.
[01:37] <Knusper> @jarli....if u wanna play NO, its not worth it....if u wanna use some software (special programms u cant find under linux) then yes
[01:49] <XartaoX> hai
[01:50] <XartaoX> I was just going to browse desktop widgets, but the Plasma Desktop Shell Add-On Installer is reporting an Unknown Open Collaboration Service API error (0)
[01:50] <XartaoX> i know it worked yesterday
[01:52] <artao> in synaptic i just did a 'fix all broken' which found nothing, and am now doing an upgrade via 'mark all upgrades'
[01:52] <artao> then i'll reboot i suppose
[01:53] <Linkmaster> Im in a jam between two graphics cards for a rig I'm setting up. the GTX 550 Ti, or the AMD HD 7770/7750. I've done research to find which is the 'better' of the two cards, and this is(in essence) what I have found to be true: the HDs have faster core clocks, however, are limited to 128-bit. the GTX has a better effective memory clock(by almost 4 times as much), and a 192-bit memory interface. This meals the HDs are limited to 
[01:53] <Linkmaster> I asked in ##hardware, but they are pretty busy at the moment, anyone have an idea about the question I shall pose:
[01:53] <Linkmaster> my question is, would the 110MHz core clock difference be noticeable, especially with the difference in memory bit between the two cards?
[01:55] <em> is it a bitcoin mining rig?
[01:56] <Linkmaster> no, this is a rig Im buying with actual USD
[01:56] <Linkmaster> motherboard, RAM, the whole nine yards
[01:58] <XartaoX> nope
[01:58] <artao> no luck on reboot either
[01:58] <Jarli> How can I change the right hand bottom aduio device
[01:59] <Jarli> i've looked through the settings and set the one I want as the prefered device
[02:17] <Jarli> anyone home?
[02:19] <Knusper> yes ;)
[02:19] <Jarli> oh thank god
[02:19] <Jarli> got another question
[02:20] <Jarli> I know how to increase the volume for my head set, but the default volume in the bottom right, is set to another device
[02:20] <Jarli> how do I change it to use my prefered device
[02:21] <Jarli> which I have checked the setting, at least as far as I can see
[02:21] <Jarli> and thanks again for the help
[02:21] <Jarli> i might frequent this channel :P
[02:21] <Knusper> open the KDE mixer (click on the specker symbol in the panel)
[02:21] <Jarli> yep
[02:21] <Jarli> i hav eit open
[02:21] <Jarli> have *
[02:22] <Knusper> playback devices put them all on max
[02:22] <Jarli> max would blow my ears out for the one
[02:22] <Jarli> it's playing music lol
[02:22] <Jarli> one second
[02:22] <Jarli> let me kill th emusic
[02:22] <Knusper> yes but u can change the Global volume then easy
[02:23] <Jarli> ok, both maxed, I can hear electric static coming from the main sound card
[02:23] <Jarli> (head set)
[02:23] <Knusper> now close the mixer
[02:23] <Jarli> ok
[02:24] <Jarli> the window is closed
[02:24] <Knusper> and make the volume smaller (overall)
[02:24] <Knusper> dont open the mixer
[02:24] <Jarli> should I quit Kmix?
[02:24] <Jarli> the only device displayed is the HD48
[02:24] <Jarli> it doesn't say global
[02:24] <Jarli> which is why I was confused
[02:25] <Knusper> it is global
[02:25] <Jarli> I have the HD48 and the Internal Audio
[02:25] <Sentynel> Jarli: does right click on volume icon -> select master channel do what you want?
[02:25] <Sentynel> I don't have a multi-output system but it seems like it should
[02:25] <Knusper> when u make it small does ur headsetsound also goes down?
[02:25] <Jarli> I want the Internal Audio Channel, which is set
[02:25] <Jarli> but the mixer shows the HD48
[02:27] <Jarli> Is there other info I can some how get to help troubleshoot this?
[02:27] <Jarli> When I reduce the volume from the mixer (bot right) the volume doesn't change
[02:28] <Jarli> HD48x) audio Digitial Stereo (HDMI) and Internal Audio Analog Stereo are the two devices
[02:28] <Jarli> HD48x0 **
[02:30] <Jarli> AH, found it
[02:30] <Jarli> the prefered device doesn't update the mixer
[02:31] <Jarli> the kmix needs to be closed and reopened with Ctrl Q
[02:48] <wallison> I'm installing 11.10 and setting up an encrypted LVM.
[02:48] <wallison> Should I still encrypt my home directory?
[02:49] <Jarli> im completely new to linux
[02:49] <Jarli> it's an option when you install
[02:49] <Jarli> so i dont see a reason not to
[02:49] <Jarli> but dont ask me
[05:19] <orated> Hey almoxarife
[05:19] <almoxarife> hey
[05:20] <orated> As mangdood suggested, can you have a look at bootcharts to help me mix boot time? I don't find 60s boot time to be normal
[05:20] <orated> s/mix/fix*
[05:20] <orated> er
[05:20] <almoxarife> orated: pastebin the bootchart
[05:21] <orated> http://imagebin.org/199347
[05:21] <orated> That's recent
[05:22] <almoxarife> orated: really need firestarter?
[05:23] <orated> No.
[05:23] <orated> purging that package.
[05:24] <almoxarife> orated: run blutooth apps?
[05:24] <orated> only the one default
[05:24] <orated> BlueDevil
[05:25] <orated> Kubuntu 11.10 KDE 4.7
[05:28] <orated> almoxarife:  Do you see vmware and java process before nmbd? I don't get how java is starting in boot time. Even fsck is checking fs too often
[05:28] <almoxarife> orated: does vmware need to be a boot process?
[05:29] <orated> No
[05:29] <almoxarife> orated: it is right now, no?
[05:30] <almoxarife> the process 'kerneloops' can go to, my opinion
[05:31] <orated> Well, the whole strip related to a process in the bootchart shows time its alive and the dark part of it shows how much boot time it taks. firestarter.sh and bluetoothd hardly take 1s.
[05:31] <orated> Yes..
[05:34] <orated> almoxarife:  I understand its a big chart to check but I'm not sure what exactly to remove and how, hence asked :) The service manager in system settings doesn't list all services. So apart from removing package or changing exports/fstab config startup, is there a file to edit services on boot?
[05:35] <almoxarife> kubuntu-low-fat-settings  <-- i installed it, did see an improvement
[05:37] <orated> Sure, I'll try that. Thanks.
[05:38] <almoxarife> i am installing boot chart, so i can give you a comparison, i run lean, so it mean very little
[05:39] <orated> Yes, sure
[05:39] <orated> O
[05:39] <almoxarife> be right back
[05:44] <almoxarife> orated: http://imagebin.org/199350
[05:44] <orated> Even yours is crossing 1min
[05:45] <orated> Is 60s normal for Kubuntu? I thought its 20-30s
[05:46] <almoxarife> orated: i never counted the time, i dont boot often, neither should you, and i am no purist about re-boot
[05:47] <orated> almoxarife: Yes, I'm not concerned about boot time usually but I felt 1 min is not normal
[05:48] <orated> almoxarife: So, you simply put it on suspend to ram/disk when not required? BTW how to start kubuntu-low-fat-settings?
[05:48] <almoxarife> orated: is it installed/? low fat?
[05:49] <orated> Yes, I installed kubuntu-low-fat-settings package
[05:50] <almoxarife> orated: i expect that the changes were auto managed, and i suspend, alot, thats what its for
[05:50] <almoxarife> orated: now that you brought it up i need to check that, the low fat may need input
[05:52] <almoxarife> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50lowfat <-- looks like it is handled at boot time
[05:53] <orated> Yes, even I saw that in installed files
[05:53] <almoxarife> i never looked, i assumed it,
[05:55] <almoxarife> orated: want something to fixate on??? pick a task, any task, use task-scheduler to set it up, it wont work, and i hear gnome does the same thing, thats something to fixate on
[05:56] <orated> eh fixate
[05:57] <almoxarife> better yet, strip akonadi out without crippling the rest of the system,
[05:58] <`Korvin> Hey, I just installed the most recent version of kubuntu, and cannot run shell files
[05:59] <orated> almoxarife: remove akonadi-server ? BTW what does $KDEDIRS mean?
[06:00] <almoxarife> orated: cant remove it, it removes alot of system with it
[06:01] <orated> Yes. And got $KDEDIRS to be kde dir..
[06:02] <almoxarife> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=61892 , orated
[06:04] <orated> almoxarife: Yes, I'm on the same page. I'm not getting how you would strip akonadi w/o affecting remaining of the system
[06:05] <almoxarife> orated: that is my fixation
[06:09] <orated> U alright
[06:09] <orated> Alright*
[06:10] <orated> Thanks almoxarife
[06:11] <almoxarife> orated: welcome
[06:20] <orated> `Korvin: Are the script files executable?
[06:21] <`Korvin> orated, the issue was that I had it on an ntfs formatted filesystem
[06:23] <orated> Was? So its solved? My guess is that for ntfs/vfat they got text files as non executable where bash file or sh file helps
[06:24] <`Korvin> yeah
[06:24] <`Korvin> something like that
[07:39] <alex____> m
[07:58] <jschall> notifications no longer pop up when they occur (in 4.8). The notification icon appears, and my notification pops up if i click it, but it does not pop up otherwise. Is this a recent change?
[08:00] <jschall> well, one just popped up... guess they just don't always.
[09:41] <Promethes> update notification not working in kubuntu 11.10 - no yellow icon in tray, no popup. In muon notifications are enabled, anyone knows how to fix this?
[09:42] <Promethes> i have 3 computers with kubuntu 11.10 and problem occurs only on one of them
[11:12] <tayfun> Can anyone help me get my touchpad running again ?? I've googled enough but couldn't do it
[12:51] <Jarli> Morning all
[13:28] <BluesKaj> 'Morning All
[13:29] <Jarli> Morning BluesKaj
[13:30] <BluesKaj> hi Jarli
[13:35] <Jarli> Anyone here use Qmail server?
[14:00] <Knusper> Lol jarli is like a sponge xD she sucks all the knowledge out of us ;)
[14:00] <Jarli> <- is a dude
[14:00] <Jarli> But yes
[14:00] <Knusper> then he xD
[14:00] <Jarli> Yesterday I was at home, now im at work
[14:01] <Knusper> im still at work too....10 pm....it sucks
[14:01] <Jarli> Trying to figure out if there is a way to get an out of office feature into Thunderbird, so the end user doesn't have to login to the web interface to set out of office
[14:02] <Jarli> We were sold a system, and the guy who sold it to us is really helpful, but he'd busy at the moment
[14:02] <Jarli> so im trying to find something that might do this
[14:03] <Jarli> That sucks, were you at work last night when I spoke to you?
[14:03] <Jarli> it's been like 1 4hours
[14:03] <Jarli> 14* hours
[14:03] <Knusper> that was morning....yes....but they pay well so its ok and im lucky enough to love my work
[14:05] <Jarli> cool cool
[14:05] <Jarli> where are you based?
[14:06] <Knusper> shenzhen china
[14:06] <Jarli> Wow
[14:07] <Jarli> other side of the world
[14:07] <Jarli> New York, USA
[15:02] <jcook_5xdata> needs some help I am tring to install a i386 deb file in a 64 bit install. in ubuntu (gnome) the installer will down load the need i386 package and install the app. how do i do this kd
[15:03] <Peace-> #ubuntu
[15:03] <sithlord48> sudo apt-get install <package>:i386 ?
[15:04] <designbybeck> it is advised to use 'kdesudo' over just 'sudo' when doing any commands in the terminal?
[15:05] <sithlord48> no just gui programs
[15:05] <designbybeck> I'm writing some documentation for a training session we start tomorrow for kids. We had used Ubuntu
[15:05] <designbybeck> but now i'm trying to understand how some of these comamands should go in Kubuntu(KDE)
[15:05] <jcook_5xdata> I know that :P it just give a a "wrong architecture i386" not what package or missing or needed
[15:06] <sithlord48> if its a gui program then you  need to use kdesudo , if its a cli program then sudo should be fine
[15:06] <designbybeck> so if you are going to launch something gui you should use (kdesudo) is that correct sithlord48, other than that you can just use (sudo)
[15:06] <Avihay> designbybeck: that
[15:06] <Avihay> s what I understood too
[15:07] <designbybeck> so any 'sudo apt-get' is ok as is
[15:07] <Peace-> designbybeck: kdesudo => for gui programs ; sudo for shell program
[15:07] <sithlord48> yes.
[15:07] <designbybeck> no need for 'kdesudo apt-get'
[15:07] <designbybeck> Ok thank you Peace-
[15:07] <designbybeck> are there any programs you "run" normally by going to the command line and luanching the gui with 'kdesudo' ?
[15:07] <Peace-> !kdesudo
[15:10] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.04.4-lts-release  10.04.4 LTS update released
[15:11] <sithlord48> oh hi mr riddell .
[15:12] <sithlord48> thank you for all the great work you do on kubuntu !
[15:13] <designbybeck> I second that sithlord48
[15:13] <designbybeck> kudos all KDE/Kubuntu developers and contributers! Thank you all!
[15:21] <Jarli> hi
[15:24] <Riddell> you're welcome sithlord48, designbybeck
[15:25] <tekton> kde or gnome?
[15:26] <sithlord48> i would like to help i just don't know what to help with..
[15:27] <tekton> okay
[15:28] <sithlord48> kde or gnome what tekton?
[15:28] <tekton> does kubu has widgets to show wallpapers from sites?
[15:29] <tekton> i hear that 4.8 has got DAY FOTO... what is that, i don't get it
[15:29] <tekton> )
[15:30] <Jarli> got a question, last night I was working on my system, and messing around with the audio controllers. I had two of them, well in order for me to change the default audio device (in the bottom right) I had to quit and reopen the Kmix app. But the app offers the option of " Select default device"
[15:30] <Jarli> should it not change automatically?
[15:34] <sithlord48> it should, did u change it in system settings->mulitmedia?
[15:58] <Dekalog> @Aelingil I think you can install it from the repositories
[16:03] <Jarli> sorry for the delay
[16:04] <Jarli> well i ctrl q the app, and started it again, then the default device changed
[16:04] <Jarli> but was just curious if it was a bug
[16:05] <Jarli> so now, when I increase or decrease the volume using the kmix app in the bottom right, the volume changes accordingly
[16:53] <Scunizi> Is Cononical really defunding the kubuntu project?
[16:54] <Riddell_> Scunizi: they're stopping me from working on it in work time
[16:54] <Riddell_> they'll still give it resources same as xubuntu does or oneiric when I wasn't working on it
[16:55] <Scunizi> So it will remain part of the ubuntu family but will need more outside devs to help it keep up?
[16:55] <Scunizi> volunteer devs?
[16:57] <Scunizi> Riddell_: I ask because I use it on my production machine and need to plan for the future.  If it will remain and still get love that would be great.  If not I may need to jump ship to a different distro or fork. Unity is fine for my laptop but my dual monitor desktop becomes less productive with unity.
[16:58] <Riddell_> Scunizi: I expect it to remain and get love but we're still sorting out how and who would be involved
[16:58] <Riddell_> I don't imagine the kde packages in ubuntu would just disappear though, too many users for that to happen
[16:59] <Scunizi> Riddell_: that's some comfort.  Thanks for all your past help with the project. I'm not a coder but can appriciate those that can.
[16:59] <Riddell_> Kubuntu doesn't need coders usually, many other skills can contribute :)
[17:00] <Ezim> Scunizi, you can help Kubuntu by reporting bug or just be here and help others.
[17:00] <Ezim> Kubuntu have really nice team of people.
[17:00] <Scunizi> Riddell_: well I do file bugs.. the things that has always confused me is when kde release a new point update, how do we do that upgrade in kubuntu?  Enable backports? use a ppa?
[17:01] <Ezim> Scunizi, you add kubuntu backports ppa.
[17:01] <Sentynel> point releases are in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[17:01] <Ezim> Sentynel, +1
[17:01] <Sentynel> minor releases are in /backports
[17:01] <Scunizi> And is that wise on a production machine or do I risk breakage?
[17:01] <Riddell_> Scunizi: instructions are on kubuntu.org.  for 0.0.1 releases it's a ppa then a bit later updates.  for 0.1.0 releases it's the kubuntu/backports PPA
[17:02] <Sentynel> I've never had issues with the point releases from the ppa, personally
[17:02] <Sentynel> occasionally some oddities with the minor releases, but nothing critical
[17:02] <Ezim> Scunizi, for me 4.8.0 on Kubuntu 11.10 have been more stable then 4.7.*
[17:02] <Ezim> Used it from day one
[17:02] <Riddell_> Scunizi: 0.0.1 releases in PPAs are usually fine, 0.0.1 in updates almost always fine, 0.1.0 releases less so
[17:03] <Scunizi> I would think the 0.1.0 would be a higher release and thus a bit more stable.. not sure I understand the numerical sceme
[17:04] <Sentynel> Scunizi: the standard for 3-digit release numbers is usually major.minor.point; point releases are bugfix only, minor releases add stuff
[17:04] <Sentynel> so stability should increase from point releases, but minor releases are more likely to introduce new bugs
[17:05] <Scunizi> Sentynel: ah ok.. How do I verify which desktop version I'm running currently? numerically speaking?
[17:05] <Sentynel> Scunizi: any kde software has it in the help > about kde menu
[17:06] <Scunizi> So I'm at 4.7.4 .. and the update looks like it would be worth it then.
[17:07] <Scunizi> If I have backports enabled in my repo's and add the ppa/backports will there be conflicts?
[17:08] <pvivek> i want to start contributing to kubuntu
[17:08] <pvivek> I have used linux from quite a sometime now. I am contributing for the first time. Would be very glad if someone can guide me how to get started.
[17:09] <Ezim> have any one tested? Cantata? (kde application)
[17:09] <BluesKaj> no , they aren't the same , one will upgrade packages , the other upgrades kde
[17:09] <Scunizi> BluesKaj: thanks.. adding and upgrading now :)
[17:10] <BluesKaj> BBL
[17:11] <jcook_5xdata> anyone know where I can get daisy plasma widget?
[17:12] <jcook_5xdata> wow no anyone
[17:14] <Scunizi> jcook_5xdata: perhaps here.. http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=102077
[17:15] <jcook_5xdata> Scunizi: been there done that. if you click the download link it take you to a ppa and if you look in the packages it not there
[17:17] <jcook_5xdata> anyone know of a good dock for KDE then
[17:17] <jcook_5xdata> most the one I know are for gnome/gtk
[17:18] <Scunizi> jcook_5xdata: just a Jaunty/Karmic/Lucid/Maverick links.. once you're in the ppa you might send the owner an email and ask.
[17:19] <Scunizi> jcook_5xdata: unless the widget is buried in one of the other packages.
[17:30] <jcook_5xdata> Scunizi: I guess I will build it from source unless you know of a good docy for KDE
[17:30] <jcook_5xdata> s/docy/dock
[17:31] <DarthFrog> jcook_5xdata:  Though it's not specifically KDE, Cairo is a nice dock.
[17:31] <jcook_5xdata> does that use QT or gtk?
[17:32] <DarthFrog> Not sure, probably GTK.
[17:32] <jcook_5xdata> cool I will check it out
[17:43] <excognac> hi all! My sysrem become super slow, the HD led is consatantly blinking, however only one strange thing inSystem activities: virtuoso-tuses 25% of CPU. Any ideas where to start?
[17:43] <excognac> *system
[17:44] <Avihay> excognac: it's the file indexing service / nepokum thing
[17:45] <excognac> Avihay: Thank you! What my cause this issue? Ho do I detect it?
[17:47] <clone1018> Anyone know how to disable the "title bar click to move" thing, I mean I still want to be able to move it, but I don't want mis clicks from Google Chrome moving my browser :P
[17:47] <DarthFrog> excognac: It's all part of the KDE semantic desktop.  You should have a small icon in your systray, looks like a handwritten  uppercase "G".
[17:48] <DarthFrog> excognac: Or you can disable it altogether in System Settings.
[17:48] <Avihay> as far as I understand, the issue is that the file-watcher service (watches which files change = need indexing) is limited by default to less then the number of files you have, so it takes no chanses and reindexes your entire filesystem every time
[17:48] <Avihay> DarthFrog: how?
[17:48] <DarthFrog> Avihay: And so far I've not found any use for it whatsoever, other than to be a nuisance and get in the way.
[17:49] <DarthFrog> Avihay:  System Settings / Desktop Search
[17:49] <Avihay> it has some nice features, especially if you tag your files, there are now even usefull scripts to take advantage of that
[17:49] <Avihay> DarthFrog: tried that, didn't work (removed all the checkmarks)
[17:50] <Avihay> excognac: opendesktop.org/content/show.php?content=148910
[17:52] <em> clone1018: try going to System Settings > Window Behavior > click on window behavior on the left, then check the 'title bar' tab to see if anything there can help.
[17:52] <clone1018> I have and none of them seem to effect it at all
[17:52] <em> then I do not know. Sorry.
[17:53] <em> someone might though :)
[17:55] <excognac> Avihay: Sorry, I don't quite get it...
[17:57] <Avihay> there's software that uses the nepomuk infrastructure in a way that you may find usefull. it takes all the TV show on your HDD, and retrieves their chapter info and extra-data, and enable you to browse your collection
[19:28] <Dani_TM> hi
[19:28] <Dani_TM> what's new in kubuntu 12.04 lts?
[19:30] <DarthFrog> Dani_TM: Wrong channel.  You want #ubuntu+1
[19:30] <Jarli> Hi Dani and Darth
[20:15] <sithlord48> Jarli: sorry for my super long delay, i noticed this behavor also, i switch between hdmi and optical for sound out and everytime i have to close amarok and restart before the device changes.
[20:24] <Jarli> ya
[20:24] <Jarli> this wasn't aramark though, this was the sound controller Kmix
[20:58] <designbybeck> LinuxMint has a nice 50+page PDF manual. I found this site, but I can't find anything else like a downloadable offline manual for Kubuntu: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Kubuntu_Oneiric
[20:58] <designbybeck> Is there such manual
[21:24] <Jarli> That manual is big though
[21:25] <Jarli> Would be very nice if Kubuntu did have a manual like Mint does...
[21:33] <designbybeck> Jarli: is there one to download?
[21:33] <Jarli> not that I know of
[21:33] <Jarli> I was looking for one the other day
[21:33] <Jarli> and didn't find anything
[21:38] <designbybeck> well shucks!
[21:38] <Jarli> eh
[21:38] <Jarli> I bet they hid it right inside of the operating system lol
[21:38] <Jarli> should check there first
[21:38] <designbybeck> Jarli: i was hoping to have an offline component for documentation. We are donating computers to kids, and some will not have internet access
[21:39] <designbybeck> good point ;)
[21:39] <designbybeck> *looking at Kubuntu Help now*
[21:40] <designbybeck> this does seem to be pretty straight forward Jarli
[21:40] <Jarli> Im at work at the moment, and only installed kubuntu on my personal computer last night
[21:40] <Jarli> but things are pretty well planned
[21:41] <Jarli> Im trying to get mint to run on an old P4 system... with 256k memory...
[21:41] <Jarli> haha lets hope that it works
[21:41] <designbybeck> cool
[21:41] <designbybeck> i don't know about LinuxMint on something that old, have you looked at Xbuntu?
[21:41] <designbybeck> or Puppy Linux Jarli?
[21:41] <Jarli> what's Puppy Linux?
[21:42] <designbybeck> Jarli: http://puppylinux.org/main/Overview%20and%20Getting%20Started.htm
[21:42] <designbybeck> It is very cute and cuddly and runs on old hardware
[21:43] <Jarli> That would probably be better, as all I need on this machine is word processing.
[21:43] <Jarli> and maybe, in the future internet
[21:44] <Jarli> thanks for the tip
[21:50] <designbybeck> no prob Jarli, pay it forward
[21:54] <Jarli> really?? Pay it Forward... totally stole that line from the movie "Pay it Forward"
[21:54] <Jarli> :P
[21:55] <Jarli> anyways im headed home
[21:55] <Jarli> have a good night
[21:58] <designbybeck> ;)
[21:58] <designbybeck> good luck with it Jar
[22:23] <Uncle_Fester> hello
[22:23] <Uncle_Fester> i have a real problem with ubuntu\
[22:24] <Uncle_Fester> i have no sound
[22:24] <Uncle_Fester> can anyone help
[22:24] <nuse> i'm using kde 4.8 through the backports ppa, for some reason i can't blacklist radeon(my graphics card)
[22:24] <nuse> i put the arguement "blacklist radeon" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf and then updated grub
[22:24] <nuse> that generally works
[22:25] <Uncle_Fester> it was working for months, and just now it stopped
[22:25] <nuse> Uncle_Fester: dude can't you see i'm asking questions right now
[22:25] <nuse> jeez
[22:25] <nuse> i'm joking
[22:26] <Uncle_Fester> oh, i wasn't aware that i was pm'ing someone.  i thought this was an open chat
[22:26] <maco> Uncle_Fester: it is an open chat
[22:26] <maco> Uncle_Fester: nuse is just being silly
[22:27] <Uncle_Fester> ok
[22:27] <Uncle_Fester> well hopefully i can get some assistance on my sound issue
[22:27] <maco> Uncle_Fester: have you by any chance rebooted since it stopped woring?
[22:27] <nuse> yeah, i was just joking
[22:27] <maco> *working
[22:27] <Uncle_Fester> yes
[22:27] <maco> Uncle_Fester: did the breakage coincide with you doing updates?
[22:28] <Uncle_Fester> tried a cold boot also
[22:28] <Uncle_Fester> there was some updates after it happened
[22:29] <maco> before is more what i was concerned about
[22:29] <Uncle_Fester> i know my sound is good cause i can boot into windows and get sound
[22:29] <nuse> open up a terminal and type this uncle_fester
[22:29] <nuse> ps -A | grep pulse
[22:29] <Uncle_Fester> ok'
[22:30] <maco> Uncle_Fester: if you do "speaker-test -c 0" do you hear white noise?
[22:30] <Uncle_Fester> should it start on its own
[22:31] <maco> pulse or the white noise?
[22:31] <Uncle_Fester> i put the commands you told me
[22:31] <Uncle_Fester> no sound\
[22:32] <Uncle_Fester> its playing front left
[22:32] <Uncle_Fester> and still i hear nothing
[22:32] <almoxarife> Uncle_Fester: what are your phonon settings?
[22:33] <Uncle_Fester> what is that?
[22:33] <almoxarife> Uncle_Fester: using kubuntu?
[22:33] <Uncle_Fester> no ubuntu
[22:33] <nuse> more importantly why can't i blacklist my graphics card
[22:33] <nuse> haha, i'm sorry, once again i'm joking
[22:33] <almoxarife> Uncle_Fester: and kubuntu is going to fix it?
[22:34] <Uncle_Fester> i dont understand
[22:34] <almoxarife> Uncle_Fester: the channel you are on is for 'kubuntu'
[22:35] <Uncle_Fester> well how do i get to ubuntu?
[22:35] <nuse> try #ubuntu
[22:35] <nuse> they might could be of more help
[22:35] <Uncle_Fester> thanks
[22:35] <nuse> no problem
[22:36] <Ezim> nuse, you want to blacklist?
[22:36] <nuse> yeah
[22:36] <almoxarife> i want a gui for cli
[22:36] <nuse> i've never had a problem blacklisting it before
[22:36] <designbybeck> where does the word Muon for the Software Center come from?
[22:36] <nuse> for some reason it won't work
[22:36] <nuse> i'm assuming its a grub issue maybe
[22:36] <Ezim> nuse, what do you have for card?
[22:36] <canis__> My laptop screen is blank without a hook up to an external monitor...I keep trying to change the settings, and save them but it is not having an effect.  how can I make kde show up on my monitor?  Force it to show up on my laptop default monitor?
[22:37] <designbybeck> Because i see a Software company called Muon
[22:37] <nuse> ati radeon 6650
[22:37] <Ezim> nuse, kdesudo kate /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[22:38] <nuse> i put the proper arguements in there via nano
[22:38] <nuse> to no avail
[22:38] <designbybeck> !kdesudo
[22:38] <nuse> generally "blacklist radeon"
[22:38] <nuse> generally that works
[22:39] <almoxarife> nuse: cant you ignore the card at the bios?
[22:40] <Ezim> nuse, cat /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[22:40] <Ezim> plz paste pastebin
[22:40] <nuse> almoxarife, if so i never noticed you could
[22:41] <nuse> aight give me a second
[22:41] <almoxarife> nuse: might look
[22:42] <nuse> inhttp://pastebin.com/F4gksMWK
[22:42] <nuse> yeah i will check into that
[22:42] <nuse> thanks
[22:42] <nuse> that last arguement generally works like a champ
[22:43] <Ezim> nuse, it looks correct.
[22:43] <Ezim> weird
[22:43] <nuse> yeah, i've updated grub as well
[22:44] <Avihay> canis__: laptops usually have a key-combo to switch between screen output modes, in my laptop, it actually works, so you might aswell try in yours
[22:44] <almoxarife> any try the 3.2 kernel from x-orgers?
[22:44] <Uncle_Fester> all they tell me in ubuntu is to unmute.
[22:44] <Ezim> nuse, does this work instead: http://askubuntu.com/questions/36268/how-do-i-blacklist-the-gallium-ati-driver
[22:44] <artao|sasquatch> hai:  just installed KDE this week after using Ubuntu Studio with XFCE for a couple weeks .... none of the screensavers work properly anymore ... most disply nothing, others show wonky, blocky, screwed up graphics
[22:44] <artao|sasquatch> i only installed the BASE KDE plasma desktop enviroment, and have been adding in bits and pieces as i need 'em
[22:45] <nuse> almoxarife: yeah, it kind of breaks my trackpad
[22:45] <artao|sasquatch> openGL screensavers worked fine under XFCE ... also under Live distros with KDE
[22:46] <Ezim> nuse, do you have hybrid card?
[22:46] <artao|sasquatch> i imagine i'm only missing some component(s) but have no idea how to figure out which one(s)
[22:46] <nuse> what do you mean hybrid card?
[22:47] <nuse> i'll try the askubuntu method right now
[22:47] <Ezim> nuse, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics
[22:47] <almoxarife> artao|sasquatch: is this package installed?? xscreensaver-gl
[22:47] <artao|sasquatch> i'll check ...
[22:47] <Ezim> nuse, lspci | grep VGA  <<--- plz paste information you get.
[22:48] <nuse> oh, no i don't have switchable graphics
[22:48] <nuse> and that askubuntu method is irrevelant to me, thats not my model ati card
[22:48] <artao|sasquatch> yes. also xscreensave-gl-extra
[22:48] <Ezim> nuse, I see.
[22:48] <canis__> What would that key combo be, or where can I find it?
[22:49] <nuse> 0:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[22:49] <nuse> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc NI Seymour [AMD Radeon HD 6470M]
[22:49] <nuse> excuse me i have 6470 not the 6650
[22:49] <Ezim> nuse, :) it is a hybrid card.
[22:49] <canis__> Avihay: <canis__> What would that key combo be, or where can I find it?
[22:49] <artao|sasquatch> .... also xscreensaver, xscreensaver-data, xscreensaver-data-extra
[22:49] <nuse> Ezim: oh, i must have misunderstood the question, i honestly didn't read your link, heh
[22:50] <Avihay> on my laptop, it's Fn + f2 , the fn button is blue, and there is a picture of a box (approximation of a screen) on F2
[22:50] <nuse> i thought you meant did i have switchable graphics setup where i could switch between my card and intel's intergrated graphics
[22:50] <Avihay> sometimes it's f5 or f7, but there is nothing preventing it from being anything else
[22:50] <Ezim> nuse, read that link and also: http://linux-hybrid-graphics.blogspot.com/
[22:50] <artao|sasquatch> hmmm ...... mesa appears to not be installed
[22:50] <almoxarife> artao|sasquatch: is the option to use opengl screensavers checked?
[22:51] <Ezim> nuse, you can also if you only want to use intel, try in bios disable ati.
[22:51] <artao|sasquatch> ummmm
[22:51] <nuse> all those sites are how to setup switching when i just want to disable/blacklist my card
[22:51] <Avihay> nuse: maybe the GFX card driver name changed? look up for an ATIish name in lsmod?
[22:51] <nuse> i'm gonna try that now
[22:52] <nuse> still radeon i think
[22:52] <artao|sasquatch> almoxarife: i don't see that option in the screensavers settings panel
[22:52] <nuse> xorg updated so that might have something to do with it
[22:52] <Ezim> nuse, some laptop have option to disable ati.
[22:52] <nuse> yeah, brb, gonna mess with bios
[22:52] <Ezim> nuse, if you disable in bios :) xorg update does not do a thing
[22:52] <almoxarife> artao|sasquatch: the 'random' tab does not offer up option for 'use opengl'??
[22:53] <tony_> hi guys
[22:53] <tony_> is anyone here? :)
[22:53] <almoxarife> no
[22:53] <artao|sasquatch> ahhh ... yes, it does ... rather merely to "use OpenGL screensavers" ... not a "just" option tho
[22:54] <tony_> ah, i guess its pretty empty then
[22:54] <artao|sasquatch> regardless, i've just been 'trying' them, and none of them display right
[22:54] <artao|sasquatch> i'm wondering about this mesa thing now .... what would i install to simply 'get it all' in one go?
[22:54] <artao|sasquatch> i do 3D cgi, so i imagine i'll be needing mesa at some point anyhow ..
[22:54] <almoxarife> artao|sasquatch: look at your xorg log
[22:55] <artao|sasquatch> oh dear
[22:55] <almoxarife> artao|sasquatch: assuming you have intel graphics you want 'mesa'
[22:56] <tony_> Do you guys think you could help me something once you're done?
[22:56] <almoxarife> tony_: ask!
[22:57] <tony_> I installed KDE's plasma desktop over Unity and now when I restart I get the Kubuntu splash and login screen
[22:57] <artao|sasquatch> hmmm ... don't see any errors ... i could !pastebinit ... console command would be?? um .....
[22:57] <tony_> Personally, I liked the layout of Unity's login screen more, as well as its splash...
[22:57] <almoxarife> 'tony_thats correct
[22:57] <tony_> Do you have any idea on how to revert?
[22:58] <almoxarife> tony_: install 'lightdm' remove 'kdm' , and good luck with the issues that may cause
[22:58] <artao|sasquatch> where would my x.org.log be? $HOME ??
[22:59] <almoxarife> artao|sasquatch: /var/log/.....
[22:59] <artao|sasquatch> cat $HOME/X.org.log
[22:59] <artao|sasquatch> oops, this isn't the console .. heh .. sry
[23:02] <artao|sasquatch> think i got it. here :: http://paste.ubuntu.com/846547/
[23:02] <artao|sasquatch> i didn't see a X.org.log .. just Xorg.0.log .. and that's it
[23:03] <artao|sasquatch> i see it's pretty gorarm long there ... i have no clue what to look for
[23:06] <almoxarife> artao|sasquatch: your driver is not fglrx, what is it?
[23:07] <almoxarife> artao|sasquatch: Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0)
[23:07] <artao|sasquatch> ummm .... ati x600 ... just whatever got installed, i changed nothing
[23:07] <nuse> my bios doesn't have a setting to disable my card
[23:07] <nuse> :(
[23:07] <artao|sasquatch> i know i can't use the radeon drivers
[23:08] <artao|sasquatch> i'll be replacing my gfx card within the next few weeks with an nvidia gtx 500 something .. prolly gtx 560
[23:08] <nuse> also my desktop minimize effect is being weird, instead of minimizing to the task tab it scales out sometimes
[23:08] <em> artao|sasquatch: goram*
[23:08] <nuse> sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't
[23:08] <nuse> kde is really starting to piss me off
 nuse: maybe the GFX card driver name changed? look up for an ATIish name in lsmod?
[23:09] <em> nuse: Kubuntu uses the KDE desktop.
[23:09] <nuse> i did, still says radeon to my knowledge
[23:09] <nuse> em: yeah i know
[23:09] <Riddell> em: "KDE's Plasma Desktop" :)
[23:09] <em> I like it :)
[23:10] <Avihay> nuse: pastebin it for me?
[23:10] <nuse> Avihay: http://pastebin.com/nd8nJTNh
[23:10] <almoxarife> artao|sasquatch: are are using radeon drivers
[23:10] <almoxarife> artao|sasquatch: you are using radeon drivers
[23:12] <artao|sasquatch> i see
[23:12] <almoxarife> nuse: pastebin Xorg.0.log from /var/log/
[23:12] <artao|sasquatch> i was JUST NOW going to install the fglrx package ... Go??
[23:12] <almoxarife> artao|sasquatch: go,
[23:13] <artao|sasquatch> it looks like i can install EITHER fglrx OR fglrx-updates
[23:13] <artao|sasquatch> hmm
[23:13] <Avihay> mkey, then I'm clueless. you can go and remove the package, or locate radeon.ko and delete the stuff, that's how I was forced to deal with nepomuk
[23:13] <artao|sasquatch> as my card is older, i assume i want just fglrx
[23:13] <artao|sasquatch> this i will do
[23:13] <almoxarife> artao|sasquatch: both, or fgrlx first
[23:13] <nuse> http://pastebin.com/Gkpc6JF5
[23:14] <nuse> oh snap! i didn't even think to just delete radeon.ko
[23:14] <artao|sasquatch> interestingly, selecting fglrx-updates deselects fglrx
[23:14] <Avihay> try the package manager first
[23:14] <nuse> i'm gonna let almoxarife check out my xorg log before i commit to that
[23:15] <nuse> but that sounds like whats gonna happen
[23:16] <artao|sasquatch> installing ...
[23:16] <artao|sasquatch> ... and how should i feel about mesa??
[23:17] <artao|sasquatch> ... i wonder if this 'fglrx' thing is why i seem to get no textures in Spring Engine games as well ... hmmmmmm
[23:19] <DaemonFC> Jockey advertising FGLRX is like advertising sharp toys with lead paint
[23:19] <DaemonFC> :)
[23:19] <DaemonFC> some people can only learn by hurting themselves I think
[23:20] <artao|sasquatch> rebooting
[23:20] <almoxarife> nuse: i dont see 'mesa' drivers
[23:20] <almoxarife> artao|sasquatch: 'mesa' is intel, you are ati, forget mesa
[23:21] <almoxarife> nuse: do you have the updated graphics ppa in sources?
[23:22] <nuse> no
[23:22] <nuse> i just want to blacklist it honestly
[23:23] <nuse> where can i find the ppa though?
[23:23] <Ezim> nuse, did bios work for you?
[23:23] <nuse> nope
[23:23] <nuse> no option there, i was pretty sure but i figured i would check
[23:24] <Ezim> nuse, http://linux-hybrid-graphics.blogspot.com/2012/01/improved-support-for-amd-hybrid.html
[23:24] <almoxarife> nuse: add this to your sources http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/ppa/ubuntu/           distribution 'oneiric'   components 'main'
[23:25] <almoxarife> nuse: using synaptic?
[23:25] <Ezim> nuse, really read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics
[23:26] <XartaoX> ok
[23:26] <XartaoX> that completely broke my settings
[23:26] <nuse> using muon mainly
[23:26] <nuse> reading now....
[23:26] <XartaoX> now not only DON'T screensavers work, neither does my dual display ... it insists on cloning the display and won't let me set them side-by-side
[23:26] <XartaoX> grrrrr.
[23:27] <XartaoX> removing fglrx and rebooting
[23:28] <almoxarife> nuse: the same applies to muon,
[23:28] <nuse> yeah i know
[23:29] <nuse> muon has pretty much the same functionality as synaptic so i use muon mainly these days
[23:32] <almoxarife> nuse: the simple ppa add 'ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa'
[23:34] <nuse> yeah i've already added it
[23:34] <canis__> hello, someone recently mention that there was a keyboard shortcut to change monitor outputs?  Does anyone know what it is?
[23:34] <almoxarife> nuse: i notices that once i was running the updated drivers i stopped crashing opengl, being a ppa you need to be aware of the down side
[23:35] <nuse> yeah, i'm gonna update right now and reboot and see if i can notice any differences
[23:35] <nuse> thanks for the info
[23:35] <nuse> bbl
[23:35] <XartaoX> fglrx removed .. system back to normal
[23:36] <XartaoX> trying installing mesa
[23:36] <Avihay> muon doesn't have the feedback that synaptic has...
[23:36] <canis__> My systems settings monitor config will not save I guess.  I keep changing the setup, and saving, but everytime I boot without an external monitor my screen goes blank.  At least in KDE it does, in E17 it works fine.
[23:36] <almoxarife> XartaoX: mesa is intel
[23:37] <almoxarife> i stayed with synaptic , muon confuses me
[23:39] <canis__> muon has a retarded search
[23:44] <nuse> my desktop effects seem a little smoother, could be in my head though
[23:44] <XartaoX> system back up and normal ... still no screensavers
[23:45] <XartaoX> just looking at one of the fractal screensavers .. coral it was ... it LOOKS like it's setting the screen resolution ridiculously low ... like 320 x 240 or so
[23:45] <XartaoX> as i said ... screensavers worked FINE under XFCE and Live KDE distros
[23:46] <almoxarife> nuse: i guess it worked :)
[23:50] <XartaoX> just double checked and yep .. all the screensavers work fine under XFCE ... including the one's installed FOR kde
[23:50] <XartaoX> i must be missing some kde component, or there's some kde settings mishmash somewhere
[23:58] <artao> well. i guess screensavers really aren't all that important to me ... and everything else appears to work fine
[23:58] <artao> so i'll leave this issue for later and see if a new vic-card fixes it
[23:58] <artao> =]