[00:00] :p [00:01] i have a lenovo G550 with 15.6 inch for 2 years now, it`s mobile and i can also watch movies like a boss [00:02] zzecool: XBMC ? ;D [00:02] glosoli: yes its a media center that BLOWS [00:02] :D [00:02] Why would I need that ? :D [00:02] and there is quite good suport for linux too [00:03] i use it on my windows mahcine output to the TV with hdmi and controling it with a PS3 bluetooth remote lol [00:05] zzecool: aa, I don't use any windows machine, and don't own TV with HDMI ;D [00:05] too bad then :( [00:06] XBMC runs on ubuntu too [00:06] Yea i know ;D Seen that name in the past [00:06] ok, gotta go to sleep tomorrow to college [00:06] good night :) [00:06] glosoli: ill go sleep too [00:06] gn [00:07] ok, gn to you too [00:07] velcom: goodnigh [00:07] bbye :) thanks for help [00:07] np anytime i hope we will meet again [00:07] i usally trolling on omgubuntu comments lo [00:07] lol [00:20] I hate it when my crash reports are marked as duplicates of private bugs... === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [01:51] Installed updates today - looks like unity or X is now in an endless startup/fail loop. Any ideas what happend. [05:47] I updated my 12.04 alpha 2 yesterday and guess what my unity is uninstalled I am greeted with shady unity 2d well then I install unity again and its crappy as hell now my question is what are they trying to do make ubuntu stable and good or sink its name in sewers? [05:50] i there any place wherre I can give feedback on this cause I definitly like the ubuntu i had before my last update [05:55] aQute, your running a development did you make sure you did not upgrade a partial upgrade? === philipballew is now known as philipballew_ === philipballew_ is now known as philipballew === david is now known as davidcalle [08:26] hi there [08:26] I found out that when I log in the keyboard works as expected [08:27] (since some characters in my password re actiually in the numlock rea of the external USB keyboard [08:31] So the layout in lightdm isn't correct huayra ? [08:44] is there a channel or ppl here involved in ubuntu alternate installer [08:49] Fudge: I dont know, you can ask !alis, or ask the question here. [08:50] * MrChrisDruif isn't anyway [08:51] Stanley00 I am wondering from a blind persons perspective the best way to accessibly install ubuntu server [08:51] Fudge: well, there is a ubuntu-server image, did you try it? [08:54] Stanley00 not yet but plan to, I am gathering informatino after reading a long thread about people trying to do it, other blind folk [08:55] Stanley00 information is my friend, such as if a console is available outside of the installer to set volume, load espeakup software synthisizer etc [08:55] hm, thunderbird seems to not work at the moment (it starts but with a blank screen, only top menus visible) [08:56] Fudge: well, I think after installed, you just need irssi (IRC client) and links (www browser) and an internet connection, if something go wrong, you can get whatever you need from those two :D [08:57] vega-: bug 933951 [08:57] Launchpad bug 933951 in thunderbird (Ubuntu Precise) "Messaging menu extension interacts badly with lightning in precise making thunderbird unusable" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/933951 [08:57] micahg: thanks, will check that [08:58] Stanley00 I agree completely, it's the installing part which may be a problem, I shall try [08:59] Fudge: well, it's not so hard... I think :D [09:00] Stanley00 I appreciate the confidence, care for a challenge? turn your monitor and off and do an install then :p [09:03] Fudge: ah, now I know what you mean by "a blind persons perspective", your monitor doesn't work?? [09:24] micahg: thanks, that fixed it [09:26] Stanley00 it works great, my eyes dont though, accept for seteing boxes come up on the screen, that is aout it [09:26] seems the calendar/clock is missing from my top bar also [10:11] bah. Todays upgrade of Unity has loads of regressions. :( [10:12] and Thunderbird is completely defunct. :/ [10:15] The system works about five minutes at a time, then I have to log out and back in. Everything stops working. Not good. [10:19] jo-erlend - i see the thunderbird thing (or rather, don't see it :P). unity is fine though, what graphics card you have? [10:19] Radeon HD3100 [10:20] it works when I log in, but then it seems everything stops listening to my keyboard. I can switch to another console, but that's it. The Unity launcher responds to clicks, but nothing else. [10:21] and it doesn't hide. Menus react to clicks, but the menus doesn't appear. [10:23] it the apport dialog also made non-resizable now? I don't like all this scrolling. I don't understand why dialogs shouldn't be resizable. [10:23] horizontal scrolling is really annoying. [10:27] makes it extremely difficult to understand what the bug report contains. I hope that's just a bug and not a conscious decision. [10:45] jo-erlend: https://launchpad.net/bugs/933951 [10:45] Launchpad bug 933951 in lightning-extension (Ubuntu Precise) "Messaging menu extension interacts badly with lightning in precise making thunderbird unusable" [Undecided,Triaged] === arif-ali_ is now known as arif-ali|laptop [10:46] vega-, I don'ẗ have lightning installed though. [10:54] jo-erlend, me neither, and my thunderbird is unusable as well. [10:55] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/93154739/thunderbird-empty.png <-- looks like that, right? [10:56] Yep,. [10:56] mine was like that too [10:56] started with -safe-mode and checked "disable add-ons" and it worked [10:57] could be something similiar even though you don't have lightning? [11:02] does anyone else have a corrupt xsession on precise? Instead of unity a single xterm is launched after login, can't figure out what's going wrong [11:02] i had that [11:02] fixed by "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" [11:03] apt removed unity at some point, due to something having to do with i386/amd64 packages and/or multiarch [11:11] vega-: I did that too, but the session remains corrupted. Oh well, I can start gnome-settings-daemon and unity manual for now, maybe need to remove some user specific config files [11:14] On the Thunderbird matter, I could activate Global Menu Bar integration, but it won't work with Messaging Menu and Unity Launcher integration enabled [11:22] TeTeT: you could create a new, test user to verify if it's something in your home dir [11:22] vega-: good idea, will do so, thx [11:23] don't bother, a fix was uploaded to the archive already [11:24] micahg: awesome, thanks [11:24] thunderbird (11.0~b2+build2-0ubuntu3) [11:24] oh, bummer [12:00] on the non working unity session, 20x11-common_process-args from Xsession.d gets the arg '/usr/bin/xterm'. Not sure where this is specified. any advice on how this Xsession.d stuff is being handled? === Felde is now known as Feldegast [12:26] [ 63.337953] unity-greeter[7840]: segfault at 0 ip 000000000040abb8 sp 00007fff44f69b50 error 4 in unity-greeter[400000+26000] [12:26] Is anyone else experiencing thunderbird empty windows after today's updates? [12:26] my computer is stuck ^^ [12:31] alkisg, start it in command line with 'thunderbird -safe-mode', disable all addons, select to restart it. Then leave the unity messaging menu integration addon disabled. [12:31] The package is being rebuilt with a fix. [12:31] Thank you Daekdroom [12:33] Oh. The update is available already :D [12:34] Haha, ok, let me re-enable them and update instead... [12:35] anyone else is getting screen coruptions while logging in using proprietary drivers ? [12:36] glosoli: I get it with nvidia-common [12:36] glosoli: more like a collage of all the history of using my computer [12:38] webm0nk3y: Hmm but when it loggs in completely it dissappears yes ? [12:38] glosoli: yep [12:38] glosoli: the system worked fine [12:38] webm0nk3y: Is it reported in launchpad ? [12:39] :? [12:39] glosoli: i do not know, would not know how to even search for it on LP [12:40] ah [12:50] oh my... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/845730/ [12:50] i wish i could boot [13:19] can someone please confirm that the apport dialog to show what will be reported is not resizable? [13:20] it is not resizable. [13:20] that is an extreme regression. [13:20] it's nearly unusable. [13:23] jokerdino, is it supposed to be that way? [13:24] I can't verify that. [13:24] i haven't seen any bug reported regarding this behavior. [13:30] jo-erlend: i suggest you file a bug report regarding this [13:30] jokerdino, it's relatively far down the list of regressions from todays upgrade. [13:31] jo-erlend: i agree. i note that a lot of bugs have creeped in. [13:31] jo-erlend: bug 930562? [13:31] Launchpad bug 930562 in apport (Ubuntu) "Problem report window can not be resized" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/930562 [13:31] micahg: you could be right [13:32] jokerdino, my system became almost unusable after the upgrade today. To make things worse, I forgot to take a snapshot before upgrading. Beating myself up over that one. [13:33] hah, taking a snapshot might have been useful [13:34] yes, that's why I switched to btrfs in the first place. :) [13:35] i have another peculiar bug. open a terminal window, try to move it by clicking on the title bar and moving it around. and have fun with the bug. [13:36] jokerdino, that causes no issues here. What happens? [13:36] I had to switch to metacity with gnome-panel, though. Compiz is completely unusable now. [13:36] if i click on it and try to move it, it grabs my mouse and keeps moving the terminal around. i can't escape it in anyway possible. [13:37] hehe [13:37] press the windows key! [13:37] my numlock LED went insane earlier today. I think it thought it was the HDD LED or something. It's always fun when you get these amounts of regressions on a Friday afternoon. [13:37] i press alt + f4 and close the darn window [13:38] oh yeah, it keeps you occupied over the weekend. [13:39] Ian_Corne: pressing windows key does no difference. [13:40] if ubiquity supports btrfs now, I think I'll test it. [13:42] i think being able to revert to a previous version should be useful. if i remember, there is a system restore in windows that lets you do exactly that. [13:42] with version i mean a previous state. [13:42] ok jokerdino :p [13:47] jokerdino, with btrfs you don't even have to revert. You can just boot the system as it was at a specific point in time. [13:48] i wonder why it is not implemented. [13:53] why what is? [13:53] btrfs that is. [13:54] it is implemented. I'm using it now. [13:54] does your menus and buttons have icons now? [13:54] in gnome-panel they do. [13:54] i see, i never used btrfs [13:55] it's not particularly user friendly yet, though. [13:56] learning something new should be fun, [13:57] i can't disable menus with icons. :( [13:58] btrfs is certainly worth spending some time to learn. [14:01] also, the expo using mouse over is broken. [14:01] i had set compiz to show all applications when i mouse over to the top right. now it is no longer working :( [14:01] jokerdino: it's already reported [14:02] bug ##? [14:02] jo-erlend: it just shows applications from current workspace yes ? [14:02] jokerdino: '''''' this was meant for you [14:02] glosoli, what does? [14:02] oh. :) [14:02] nothing gets exposed. [14:02] jo-erlend: sorry [14:02] no worries. :) [14:02] jokerdino: even Super (Windows Key) +W doesn't work ? [14:03] and well, super + w only shows the apps in the current workspace. [14:03] super + w works. partly. [14:04] https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz-core/+bug/933776 << Affects you [14:04] Launchpad bug 933776 in compiz (Ubuntu) ""Super + W" Compiz Scale Addon "All Windows" not working" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:05] subscribed to it. [14:05] jokerdino: you might write in comments that screen edge also not orking for you [14:06] although screen edge works for me just fine, but only for current workspace in btw, have you done updates already ? [14:06] there was a couple of compiz updates in the morning [14:07] oh wait, it works now. [14:07] just updated. [14:07] jo-erlend: but still for current workspace yes ? [14:07] … [14:08] glosoli: yep [14:08] i am sorry jo-erlend [14:08] :) [14:09] ah :DD once again, that tab button fails me :( [14:09] jokerdino: press in that link that bu affects you too [14:10] yes i did :) [14:10] This bug affects you and 4 other people Edit [14:10] and i find it really hard to read the shortcut overlay [14:12] http://i.stack.imgur.com/9DSMn.png [14:12] jokerdino, it works fine here. [14:13] jrgifford: i can only see through the overlay [14:14] odd, http://i.imgur.com/s38oi.png [14:14] oh, did you get the *latest* compiz update? [14:14] that might fix it. [14:14] how latest? [14:15] i see that it is being chameleonic like the dash [14:15] um, hangon. lemme grab the version [14:17] compiz-core:amd64 (0.9.7.0~bzr2995-0ubuntu3, 0.9.7.0~bzr2995-0ubuntu4) [14:17] that was what I installed at 12:50 UTC [14:18] $ compiz --version [14:18] Compiz 0.9.7.0 [14:18] there is a unity update that just come up since then though, let me install that and see if i can replicate it. [14:18] i see, you are on PPA? [14:19] yes, but i haven't gotten anything from the PPA so far today, but the unity coming at me from the archive is 5.4 [14:20] not here though, still on 5.2 [14:20] Compiz 0.9.7 seems to be extremely slow compared to previous versions. Do others have the same experience? [14:20] jo-erlend, not for me. what graphics card? [14:21] for me everything is fine :) [14:21] Radeon HD3100 [14:21] no graphics card here. so no diff. [14:21] this is on my mobo. [14:22] I have ATI mobility Radeon HD57301GB [14:22] I had to take out my HD5850 in order to connect external disks. :) [14:22] you have laptop ? [14:24] I have a Radeon HD 6320, working fine here. [14:25] glosoli, this is a desktop. [14:25] jokerdino, brb. going to try the unity update that landed and see if i can replicate it. [14:25] sure. [14:25] is 5.4 available now? [14:25] it is from the staging ppa [14:25] jo-erlend, yes 5.4 is available in the main archive. [14:25] thats what I just updated to. [14:26] i am upgrading now then. [14:26] jo-erlend: what packages should i be installing for btrfs? [14:26] oh... It might not be Compiz that's slow after all. I just noticed that gnome-settings-daemon uses 100% CPU. [14:26] jokerdino, btrfs-progsa [14:26] jokerdino, btrfs-progs [14:27] uhm... That's not right [14:27] jokerdino, its working fine here. [14:27] can't replicate the bug you talked about [14:27] well, never mind then. [14:27] you know, i can't get lightdm to show my wallpaper either :/ [14:28] «apt-btrfs-snapshot - Automatically create snapshot on apt operations» <-- That's certainly interesting! :) [14:28] do you use the contest one or the individual wallpaper? [14:28] jokerdino, do you have an encrypted homedir? [14:28] no. [14:28] jokerdino, btrfs itself is in the kernel though. [14:29] oh i see. [14:29] let me change the wallpaper and have another look. [14:30] jokerdino, confirmed that the wallpaper doesn't change. [14:31] so, if i use the slideshow, it doesn't change. hmm === tomodach1 is now known as tomodachi [14:32] jokerdino, bug you're looking at looks like this - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/923481 [14:32] Launchpad bug 923481 in unity-greeter (Ubuntu) "Selected user wallpaper doesn't change for slideshow wallpaper" [Low,New] [14:33] confirmed it. [14:34] jo-erlend, thanks for the mention of apt-btrfs-snapshot, that'll come in handy for next cycle when we have all sorts of crazy things landing left and right. :P [14:35] i believe we should document it in the site when 12.04 is released. [14:35] ask ubuntu site yeah [14:35] jokerdino, what should we document? [14:36] the brtfs thingie [14:37] The btrfs wiki page could use some love in general, a bit too much fluff there currently... [14:37] I suspect that btrfs will be default in 12.10. === sikon_ is now known as lucidfox [14:37] what do you mean by default? [14:37] that if will be used instead of ext4 for clean installs. [14:37] I doubt that... But you never know [14:37] jokerdino, odd - when I run lightdm in --test-mode, wallpaper changes for me now. [14:37] arand, why do you doubt that? [14:38] jrgifford: i shall take a look later [14:38] jo-erlend: Because it's still marked as experimental. [14:38] btrfs isn't stable enough for right now, but thats what i use for / - i need ext3 for /home because of the lucid install I keep around. :P [14:39] well, if it's stable enough for use in enterprise Linux, I think it'll be stable enough for 12.10. [14:39] i will be back later [14:40] cya jokerdino === histo1 is now known as histo [14:46] jrgifford: cant you use ext4 anyway? i remember it being backward compatible with ext3, hence you can mount it as ext3 [14:46] in your older distribution [14:46] oh? Ok, i wish I had known that. [14:47] * jrgifford makes note to self about his next install [14:47] ok i am back [14:55] heh... Please don't install apt-btrfs-snapshots... [14:55] it completely breaks apt. [14:55] oops [14:56] err, i installed it and apt-get works here.. [14:56] it does? [14:56] ah, that's not so strange. It can't find a btrfs filesystem to take a snapshot of, so it'll probably just skip it. [14:57] oh i guess it is that way [14:57] in my case, the root filesystem is a btrfs, and it fails, so all apt-get operations are aborted – including the removal of apt-btrfs-snapshots. [14:57] wow that sucks [14:58] needs some help I am tring to install a i386 deb file in a 64 bit install. in ubuntu (gnome) the installer will down load the need i386 package and install the app. how do i do this kde [14:59] jokerdino, dpkg doesn't break that easily though. :) [15:00] you should be happy haha [15:00] wrong channel should I go to Kubuntu? [15:00] i guess that is a wiser move [15:01] Just tring to get up to speed in plasma when the sparkle come out :) [15:03] jrgifford, I'm upgrading now. Still unity 5.2 in main? [15:03] jrgifford, sure you're not using a PPA? [15:04] nevermind... [15:04] jo-erlend, yes. [15:04] be warned [15:04] i ended up killing my theme [15:04] and there is no known bugfix for that [15:04] heh... [15:04] that's the least of my worries. [15:05] heh, figured as much, just wanted to warn you. [15:05] everything hit the fan here today. If I can start using Unity again at all, that'll be an improvement. [15:07] what are the plans concerning Cinnamon inclusion (or any other Gnome 3.* forks)? [15:07] Isn't cinnamon an extension rather? [15:11] hope they don't include cinnamon :) [15:11] Hmm, I'm thinking of another thing... [15:12] in btw, hate seeing a lot of ubuntu forks growing up without future and asking people for donations while they do nothing just add different themes and icon sets [15:13] Well, Mint does quite a lot of good stuff, but the decision to fork gnome3 may not be one of them, though in that regard they're in the same seat as Ubuntu ;) [15:14] Yea. It's quite simple to add linux mint repo and istall cinnamon :) [15:15] oic, thanks [15:16] arand: yes, mint is different story, clem is doing lm as a full time job :) but I and many of my friends from now on, are really liking unity, and feeling it has a bright future :) [15:17] Unity - in the sense of WM environment? [15:17] or lack of forking? [15:17] WM [15:18] Cinnamon for me looks like a ship with its anchor holding to the past and making pause for evolution :D [15:19] glosoli, I tried Gnome 3.* on Fedora 15 and found it to be heavily mouse oriented, what about keyboard users (unless I miss somehting) [15:19] If cinnamon was included it would quite obviuosly be a universe package and non-default. And I guess it would enter via Debian rather than any Ubuntu-specific effort. [15:19] petrovv: Cinnamon is also gnome 3.x :DD [15:20] petrovv: I use G3 and finds it quite keyboard-friendly. [15:20] IMO, i have enough usage of keyboard in ubuntu with unity, quite like it from now on, was never a big keyboard shortcuts fan before [15:21] petrovv: Would you mind telling us, what you can't do with keyboard in Gnome 3 ? [15:22] glosoli, all the kb shortcuts I learned before do not work, I do not have the list handy, but if you compare the actual shortcuts assignments, Gnome Shell has something like 1/3rd of what Gnome 2.* provides [15:22] petrovv: you are making a big mistake telling about it lacks of keyboard shortcuts for gnome 3 :) Gnome-Shell is WM [15:22] Gnome 3 is DE which is also used by Cinnamon [15:22] glosoli, say, Ctrl-Alt-D for minimizind all the windows currently open [15:23] sorry [15:23] petrovv: me either don't like gnome shell :) That's why I love Unity [15:23] ok, need to try unity then (I'm on 10.04 currently and cannot be happier for a while) [15:23] petrovv: Wait for full version 12.04 :) [15:24] petrovv: Thats basically since minimise isn't really a concept in gnome-shell, I'd say you're meant to use a new WS for that... [15:24] 12.04 has the snappier version of unity thus far [15:24] jokerdino: what does word snappier mean ? [15:25] snappier meaning feeling nice to use and handle [15:25] jokerdino: ah, yes it is :) UNity 5.4 will soon be in repos [15:26] some of the libs already upgraded [15:26] i can't wait for 5.4 [15:26] arand, what's WS? [15:27] workspace [15:27] * petrovv thinks he need to read some FAQs like back in 1998 :-) [15:27] arand: tryed some weeks ago to use windows, was feeling crazy not having workspace, after that, just kicked the MS ass out of my computer and left only pangolin here ;D [15:29] how is workspace different from WM and from Desktop Environment? [15:29] glosoli: Hmm, I don't actually miss workspaces as much as the "scale" overview. [15:30] arand: yes, this one too, but now I have nothing to miss, coz being fully ubuntized [15:30] petrovv: Workspace is smth like the number of desktops [15:30] petrovv: one desktop 1 workspace , 2 desktops - 2 workspaces, talking by slang [15:31] glosoli, then how is it different from pager in older WMs? [15:31] just upgraded, and now things are _much_ better wrt Unity, Compiz and graphics in general. [15:32] jo-erlend: I can't do dist-upgrade because of dependencies for now, if I do ,i will get unity ant unity-2d removed :D [15:32] petrovv: hmm, probably not much, just in Gnome Shell it's much more easier to use, and it is focused on it [15:33] glosoli, right. I did a plain upgrade. I did a dist-upgrade this morning, which is when everything went pear shaped. [15:33] jo-erlend: with simple upgrade yiu probably don't have all unity parts 5.4 version [15:33] glosoli: ;p [15:33] zzecool: Hey ;D [15:33] :) [15:34] glosoli, perhaps offtopic, but if you are forced to use MS Win at work or elsewhere you may want to try the DexPot WS manager [15:34] glosoli, it gives you up to 20 workspaces and other things like rotating cube, for example [15:35] petrovv: hmm, seen this one some time before, but I felt like it was pretty slow [15:38] glosoli: do you have dependencies for unity and unity 2d? [15:38] glosoli: it seems i cant do a dist upgrade yet [15:38] it is going to rmeove unity - 2d [15:39] zzecool: same here, waiting ;D [15:39] :P [15:39] its beta freeze today [15:39] I believe unity-2d has to be rebuilt against lastest libunity [15:39] yeah, finally ;D [15:39] :) [15:39] Daekdroom: you're right [15:39] i hope dodge active window stay as it is or all take my gun lol ;p [15:40] dodge active window was removed already. [15:40] haha ;D [15:40] when ? [15:40] week ago :DD [15:40] im using it right now [15:40] you are wrong [15:40] its there [15:40] it won't be removed [15:40] Ah. That is because I'm using the unity-ppa [15:40] it just became unsuported [15:40] It WILL be removed. [15:40] I don't have it in CCSM anymore. [15:40] rly? [15:40] so what ? [15:41] you have it in system [15:41] :) [15:41] It's just that the ubuntu repos have a slightly older version of Unity. [15:41] It can be set by gsettings [15:41] And that 5.4 update will remove dodge (active) windows. [15:41] hmm [15:41] Can it? [15:41] I want to try [15:41] They are stupid enought to kill the best launcher feature [15:41] whata dorks [15:41] ........ [15:41] i hope you are wrong [15:41] I did like dodge active windows too. [15:41] Daekdroom: wait I will try toget command from my friend [15:42] glosoli: no need for a command [15:42] but he is using older version probably coz he is on main server too [15:42] aa :) [15:42] Daekdroom: do you have gconf installed? [15:42] Sure I do [15:42] ok wait [15:46] Daekdroom: open gconf and navigated to /apps/compiz-1/plugins/unityshell/screen0/options and then set launcher_hide_mode to 3 [15:46] and please tell me the results [15:47] Nothing happened. [15:47] the removed the code........... [15:47] they8 [15:47] If I set it to 1, it autohides. If I set it to 3, it stays as it was [15:48] 2? [15:48] is 2 working ? [15:48] gconftool -s -t int /apps/compiz-1/plugins/unityshell/screen0/options/ launcher_hide_mode 2 [15:48] glosoli: its the same think [15:48] Not working either [15:48] so they removed the code [15:48] ............ [15:48] we are doomed [15:49] until some nice guy patches the unity with the cade again [15:49] Dodge windows did poorly in the user testing. [15:49] code [15:49] Daekdroom: BULLSHITS [15:49] i dont wanna start this [15:49] zzecool: what is your issue here? [15:50] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/mark-shuttleworth-explains-dodge-ditch-decision-in-precise/ [15:50] jokerdino: nothing but its nice that if someone says a bad word activity appears [15:50]