| mhall119 | wendar: are there any extras packages for Precise yet? | 00:32 |
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| mhall119 | "Independent" isn't showing in my USC | 00:32 |
| ajmitch | there aren't | 00:32 |
| mhall119 | so maybe mine will be first? cool | 00:32 |
| ajmitch | this did start off as the 'post-release apps' process | 00:33 |
| ajmitch | mhall119: are you trying to submit apps for precise now? | 00:34 |
| mhall119 | ajmitch: yeah | 00:35 |
| ajmitch | stgraber would know more than I would, but I don't know if that is open for uploads to be copied to it now or not | 00:36 |
| ajmitch | while there's a precise Sources.gz file on extras.ubuntu.com, there are a few things that happen behind the scenes | 00:37 |
| wendar | mhall119: we won't be accepting apps for precise until after the precise release | 00:50 |
| wendar | mhall119: but we can get it into Oneiric now, and then add to Precise as soon as it's launched | 00:51 |
| wendar | mhal119: or, does it depend on features of Precise? | 00:51 |
| ajmitch | bit hard to do that when the lense API is different | 00:51 |
| wendar | (I haven't tried compiling it yet) | 00:51 |
| ajmitch | I think that it'd make sense to accept apps for precise after feature freeze | 00:51 |
| wendar | ajmitch: current policy is only the "current release" of Ubuntu | 00:52 |
| ajmitch | like backports is meant to be opening up at FF, not sure if that's been done or not | 00:52 |
| wendar | I do know backports is opening at FF | 00:52 |
| wendar | yeah, I don't know if they've done it yet | 00:52 |
| wendar | but, if it's targeting Precise, why not just put it in using the standard process? | 00:52 |
| wendar | that avoids all the /opt stuff | 00:53 |
| ajmitch | wendar: right, at FF the platform should be viable for building & releasing apps on, but there could be changes | 00:53 |
| ajmitch | I'd certainly prefer it to just go in via the standard process | 00:53 |
| wendar | ajmitch: as in, the non-ARB process? | 00:54 |
| mhall119 | wendar: unfortunately the version of Singlet my lens depends on is only in Precise | 00:54 |
| ajmitch | wendar: right, the non-ARB process or even into backports if it's open | 00:55 |
| mhall119 | wendar: Can I propose my Singlet package (modified to run on Oneiric) to the ARB, and then submit the lens for Oneiric too? | 00:55 |
| wendar | ajmitch: backports only accepts packages once they've been approved for some release of Ubuntu, generally the current development release | 00:55 |
| wendar | mhall119: Extras doesn't accept libraries, only "leaf" applications | 00:56 |
| ajmitch | wendar: not necessarily true with the current proposal, which is meant to acecpt new packages which can then be copied into the next release as it opens | 00:56 |
| mhall119 | wendar: yeah, i know | 00:56 |
| ajmitch | the intention behind backports opening early is to have a way to upload new packages all through the 6-month cycle | 00:57 |
| wendar | mhall119: I'd say Singlet could be backported, but Extras can't automatically enable a backport, so that's problematic too | 00:57 |
| wendar | mhall119: since FF is upon us, I think the best option is getting it ready to go for Precise Extras | 00:57 |
| mhall119 | I'm okay with not getting this into Oneiric, I just want to get something through the ARB process, preferabbly before Precise is released, so I know how to help other devs | 00:57 |
| ajmitch | it might be a trial app to see if it can be put into precise extras pre-release | 00:58 |
| wendar | mhal119: I'd say it's not really a huge deal if we publish it a few weeks before the actual Precise launch date | 00:58 |
| wendar | (for testing) | 00:58 |
| mhall119 | wendar: there are a *lot* of lenses and scopes waiting to be packaged and send to the ARB, so unity-community-lens is going to be both a trial run and it's packaging files will serve as a template for others | 00:58 |
| wendar | but, we may have to have some policy conversations around that | 00:59 |
| mhall119 | wendar: that's okay | 00:59 |
| wendar | like, in general, unlike backports, Extras shouldn't be on a "open as soon as FF hits" policy | 00:59 |
| mhall119 | better now, while we still have some time | 00:59 |
| wendar | yup | 00:59 |
| wendar | and, if all the lenses depend on Precise features, it may be that we get them all lined up in the staging PPA | 01:00 |
| wendar | and, just ready to launch as soon as Precise hits | 01:00 |
| mhall119 | wendar: they don't all, currently, most will need to be upgraded to support Precise | 01:00 |
| wendar | (or, soon before Precise hits) | 01:00 |
| wendar | mhall119: okay, those are actually easier | 01:00 |
| * ajmitch still needs to hack up his lens for precise :) | 01:00 | |
| wendar | mhall119: we can launch them for Oneiric, and then start the upgrade for Precise | 01:00 |
| mhall119 | well, I can't guarantee that they're ready for Oneiric either :) | 01:01 |
| mhall119 | will packages in extras automatically be upgraded to Precise? | 01:01 |
| mhall119 | I thought devs had to resubmit | 01:01 |
| wendar | mhall119: the general idea is to give developers notice of each upcoming so they can transition | 01:01 |
| mhall119 | ok | 01:01 |
| ajmitch | I was going to update unity-lens-launchpad & push it through to test uploading for precise | 01:01 |
| ajmitch | something for the weekend | 01:01 |
| wendar | mhall119: aye, no automatic transition, just an opportunity for the dev to prepare to resubmit | 01:01 |
| mhall119 | wendar: ajmitch: do you think we should have some kind of naming convention for lenses and scopes? | 01:02 |
| wendar | mhall119: I was wondering about that | 01:02 |
| ajmitch | mhall119: yes, I'd follow what's in the main archive | 01:02 |
| mhall119 | I have unity-<project>-lens, ajmitch has unity-lens-<project> | 01:02 |
| wendar | mhall119: I noticed most are unity-lens-<project> | 01:02 |
| ajmitch | where they were originally unity-place-X, now unity-lens-X | 01:02 |
| wendar | mhall119: yeah, one of the comments in my notes is "should this be named unity-lens-community?" | 01:03 |
| mhall119 | ok, I should probably change mine then | 01:03 |
| wendar | I've seen "unity-scope-*" too | 01:03 |
| ajmitch | we renamed the askubuntu lens to match the others | 01:03 |
| mhall119 | yeah, that makes more sense that way | 01:03 |
| * ajmitch should probably remember to apply for UDS sponsorship before next week as well :) | 01:04 | |
| wendar | mhall119: if you want to do that renaming, I can hold off on my branch | 01:04 |
| wendar | mhall119: actually, I'll just send you my current changelog, that pretty much says everything | 01:05 |
| mhall119 | ajmitch: yeah, you should do that ;) | 01:05 |
| mhall119 | wendar: thanks | 01:05 |
| wendar | and, you can look at unity-lens-sshsearch for the details | 01:05 |
| mhall119 | ok | 01:05 |
| ajmitch | we should hopefully get some resolution on whether scopes can depend on lenses at the next TB meeting | 01:06 |
| mhall119 | ajmitch: is it on their agenda yet? | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | if you haven't added it, you should | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | actually | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | it says that a TB person should, so stgraber? :) | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | afaik people add items themselves & then turn up at the meeting | 01:07 |
| stgraber | just add it yourself, unless you want me to introduce the topic at the meeting but I doubt it's in mhall119 or jono's best interest of having me present it ;) | 01:08 |
| ajmitch | heh | 01:08 |
| mhall119 | stgraber: gah, I just sent an email to the TB about it | 01:09 |
| mhall119 | oh well, I'll just look impatient | 01:10 |
| ajmitch | they'll forgive you, I'm sure | 01:10 |
| * mhall119 is going to owe stgraber some edubuntu contributions for this | 01:12 | |
| ajmitch | bribery now? :) | 01:12 |
| mhall119 | what do you mean 'now'? | 01:12 |
| mhall119 | :) | 01:12 |
| mhall119 | wendar: I don't think there's any standard or convention for dbus names/paths on lenses or scopes, but I'll ask | 01:16 |
| mhall119 | for the /opt/ path, should it use /opt/extras.ubuntu.com/<project_name>-<version>/ ? | 01:20 |
| mhall119 | is the version number in there necessary? | 01:20 |
| wendar | mhall119: that's the standard approved by the TB | 01:21 |
| wendar | but, we haven't always followed it strictly | 01:21 |
| mhall119 | are we allowed to submit new versions for the same release? | 01:21 |
| wendar | (none of the other lenses do) | 01:21 |
| * ajmitch didn't follow that for tagplayer | 01:21 | |
| ajmitch | since you shouldn't be able to have multiple versions installed at once, it shouldn't matter | 01:22 |
| wendar | mhall119: yes, it still runs through an ARB review, but it's usually a quicker review since we only need to look at the diff | 01:22 |
| wendar | ajmitch: I'm not particularly attached to the version in the path | 01:23 |
| mhall119 | wendar: on the .service file rename you did, is that an ARB requirement? | 01:23 |
| wendar | ajmitch: it was in the original spec, so I copied it into the guidelines | 01:23 |
| wendar | mhall119: yes, prepending 'extras-' to the .service and .lens files is an ARB requirement | 01:23 |
| mhall119 | ok | 01:24 |
| wendar | mhall119: basically, any files that have to be installed in the "standard" locations | 01:24 |
| wendar | mhall119: it's the same for .desktop files | 01:24 |
| ajmitch | the reason for the naming to to avoid namespace conflicts | 01:25 |
| ajmitch | which is why I don't think the version is important in the filename or path | 01:25 |
| ajmitch | I'm sure the TB won't jump on us too harshly if we get it wrong | 01:25 |
| stgraber | yeah, I usually don't put the version in the path as it's not possible to have multiple version with the same package name installed anyway | 01:26 |
| ajmitch | right :) | 01:26 |
| mhall119 | are you guys working with anybody to incorporate these requirements into what Quickly produces? | 01:26 |
| stgraber | and it makes updating the package harder in most cases | 01:26 |
| wendar | ajmitch: stgraber: actually, I'm not finding the source for the <appname>-<version> requirement on the /opt path | 01:27 |
| ajmitch | wendar: great, we can ignore it then :) | 01:27 |
| stgraber | I think it's just how we did the first app and it stuck ;) | 01:27 |
| wendar | ajmitch: stgraber: and, it always struck me as a little silly, so I'll just drop it from the guidelines | 01:27 |
| ajmitch | mhall119: I think that bugs have been filed against quickly to make it produce apps using the right paths, etc, but I'm not sure what # | 01:28 |
| wendar | mhall119: so, you can stick with /opt/extras.ubuntu.com/unity-lens-community/... | 01:28 |
| mhall119 | ok, I'll look | 01:28 |
| mhall119 | wendar: alright | 01:28 |
| ajmitch | it would be great to reduce the patching that we have to do to 0 | 01:28 |
| mhall119 | yeah | 01:28 |
| mhall119 | I'm hoping to do that for singlet lenses/scopes at least | 01:29 |
| * ajmitch is having issues at the moment getting a simple patch to be applied, have to track down what's going on | 01:29 | |
| wendar | mhall119: yeah, I asked around and joined the Quickly talk mailing list to discuss changes with them | 01:34 |
| wendar | mhall119: Rick is happy to have folks propose changes in branches to be merged | 01:34 |
| mhall119 | wendar: Rick? | 01:34 |
| wendar | mhall119: mainly, I think Quickly just doesn't have much active development at the moment | 01:34 |
| wendar | mhall119: Spencer, creator of Quickly | 01:35 |
| mhall119 | oh, I don't think he's maintaining it anymore, TOny Bryne is I think, though didrocks has been helping me | 01:35 |
| mhall119 | I'm writing a singlet-lens template for it now | 01:35 |
| ajmitch | ah, nice | 01:35 |
| wendar | mhall119: ah, I haven't seen the name Tony Bryne at all yet | 01:36 |
| wendar | mhall119: it's mainly mvo who's made the changes I requested so far | 01:36 |
| wendar | mhall119: (as recently as a few weeks ago) | 01:36 |
| mhall119 | ah, it's Byrne, not Bryne | 01:36 |
| mhall119 | but still | 01:36 |
| ajmitch | I'm surprised that quickly is just in universe | 01:36 |
| wendar | ajmitch: it's not really core to Ubuntu | 01:36 |
| wendar | ajmitch: it's just the recent promotion on developer.ubuntu.com that made it appear so | 01:37 |
| ajmitch | wendar: no, but it's something that could be pushed more, along with other content creation | 01:37 |
| wendar | ajmitch: I'm actually happy to have it made more core, but definitely needs some work to get there | 01:37 |
| mhall119 | ajmitch: I think it needs more active and devoted maintenance before it gets there | 01:37 |
| wendar | ajmitch: particularly, it needs updating to GTK3 for Precise | 01:37 |
| ajmitch | is diveintopython still on the CD images? :) | 01:38 |
| ajmitch | wendar: it's still using pygtk? | 01:38 |
| wendar | ajmitch: yup pygtk | 01:38 |
| wendar | ajmitch: diveintopython was on the CD images last I checked, but that was Natty | 01:38 |
| ajmitch | does quickly use dh_python2 instead of python-support now? | 01:40 |
| wendar | ajmitch: it must have been removed now, the book is 8 years old | 01:40 |
| ajmitch | 8 years old but still in main | 01:40 |
| wendar | ajmitch: it doesn't, it still uses python-support | 01:40 |
| wendar | ajmitch: I have to manually update quickly packages | 01:40 |
| ajmitch | right, that's what I was doing with tagplayer as well | 01:40 |
| ajmitch | are there bugs filed about that? | 01:41 |
| wendar | ajmitch: though, mvo said he made some updates for Precise, I'll check trunk and see if he updated that | 01:41 |
| wendar | ajmitch: I didn't file bugs, yet, just emailed to ask if there were plans for the updates | 01:41 |
| wendar | ajmitch: we should start promoting http://diveintopython3.ep.io/ :) | 01:42 |
| * ajmitch likes the concept of 1 right way to write an app, make a package that can be approved with minimal work | 01:43 | |
| * wendar too | 01:45 | |
| ajmitch | maybe something to aim for for the next LTS? :) | 01:46 |
| wendar | ajmitch: seems sensible | 02:25 |
| mhall119 | wendar: quickly uses python-mkdebian, which builds debian package files from the setup.py, I think that's where we need to switch things to dh_python2 | 02:52 |
| wendar | mhall119: ah, that makes sense | 02:53 |
| wendar | mhall119: I wonder if that's a change to make all the way upstream in Debian? | 02:53 |
| ajmitch | is that the package name? | 02:53 |
| ajmitch | I can't find it on precise | 02:53 |
| wendar | mhall119: or, further upstream? is it a Python package? | 02:53 |
| ajmitch | the closest I know of is python-stdeb | 02:53 |
| mhall119 | wendar: it's from python-distutils-extra, by Martin Pitt | 02:54 |
| wendar | ah-ha, pitti beat us to it | 02:54 |
| wendar | https://code.launchpad.net/~python-distutils-extra-hackers/python-distutils-extra/debian | 02:54 |
| wendar | revision 274 | 02:54 |
| wendar | hopefully, that made it into Precise | 02:55 |
| ajmitch | right | 02:55 |
| mhall119 | I'll check with pitti tomorrow | 02:55 |
| ajmitch | that's the version in precise now | 02:55 |
| wendar | sweet! | 02:55 |
| ajmitch | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-distutils-extra/+bug/894582 should be fixed then | 02:57 |
| mhall119 | hmmm, I guess I need to update | 02:57 |
| ajmitch | so the bug was originally filed against quickly | 02:57 |
| wendar | ah, that's my bug | 02:57 |
| mhall119 | lol | 02:57 |
| ajmitch | wendar: yep :) | 02:57 |
| wendar | forgot I filed it :) | 02:57 |
| ajmitch | I knew I'd seen one filed from the ARB somewhere | 02:58 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:34 |
| dpm | good morning all | 07:45 |
| coolbhavi | mhall119, hi | 12:14 |
| mhall119 | hey coolbhavi | 12:49 |
| coolbhavi | hey mhall119 how you doing? | 12:49 |
| coolbhavi | saw your ubuntu community lenses on ARB queue | 12:49 |
| coolbhavi | and its a cool app | 12:50 |
| coolbhavi | :) | 12:50 |
| mhall119 | thanks coolbhavi | 12:51 |
| coolbhavi | Thanks to you for making a simple and cool app :D | 12:52 |
| mhall119 | I'm not sure it quite qualifies to be called an 'app' | 12:53 |
| mhall119 | but I hope people like it | 12:53 |
| coolbhavi | I liked it :D | 12:53 |
| coolbhavi | can you give me the ppa link btw m interested in digging more | 12:54 |
| mhall119 | coolbhavi: https://launchpad.net/~scopes-packagers/+archive/ppa | 12:55 |
| coolbhavi | mhall119, thanks! | 12:55 |
| coolbhavi | mhall119, only thing I found is in oneiric it fails to install Dependency is not satisfiable: gir1.2-unity-5.0 | 13:05 |
| coolbhavi | can you have a backport option for this? | 13:05 |
| mhall119 | coolbhavi: I'd have to get python-unity-singlet into backports, but extras packages can't enable the packports repo | 13:07 |
| mhall119 | so, not relaly | 13:07 |
| mhall119 | coolbhavi: this is targetting Precise only | 13:08 |
| mhall119 | I discussed with wendar and ajmitch yesterday, we'll work on getting this ready to land, and hold off until closer to Precise's release | 13:08 |
| coolbhavi | mhall119, yes but I meant backport as in a ppa build | 13:10 |
| mhall119 | coolbhavi: it would take some work | 13:10 |
| mhall119 | the Lens API is different between Oneiric and Precise | 13:10 |
| mhall119 | the parts of Singlet this one uses didn't even exist in the version of Singlet that supported Oneiric | 13:11 |
| coolbhavi | hmmm I wished to see support for different versions of ubuntu so I asked if its complicated then little sense in going through pains | 13:12 |
| mhall119 | actually that might be nice to have in Singlet, have it auto-detect the version of Unity and change how it works accordingly | 13:14 |
| mhall119 | though the issue with backports and extras still means it won't easily allow singlet lenses into Oneiric | 13:15 |
| coolbhavi | hmm yes I understand the complexity at this point of time | 13:16 |
| cwayne | hi, just wondering if my app accidentally went into the commercial queue again | 15:02 |
| ajmitch | what is your app? | 15:05 |
| cwayne | https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/513/ | 15:05 |
| ajmitch | quite likely, since I don't have access to see that | 15:06 |
| coolbhavi | ajmitch, me too | 15:06 |
| cwayne | ugh, who can i talk to to fix that? | 15:07 |
| cielak | dpm, are there still any chances of finding some work for me? | 15:09 |
| stgraber | looking | 15:12 |
| stgraber | fixed | 15:13 |
| stgraber | oh, actually, looking at the description this seems to be content only package (no actual app)? | 15:13 |
| stgraber | if so, commercial (with a $0 cost) would be the right place as the ARB only accepts actual apps | 15:14 |
| stgraber | (this comment is just based on a 5s read of the page, I may be completely wrong) | 15:14 |
| * ajmitch should really not be awake at this hour hacking on stuff | 15:16 | |
| ajmitch | right, LP lens shows stuff on precise now | 15:22 |
| ajmitch | not much useful stuff though :) | 15:22 |
| cwayne | stgraber: really? i was told it should still go through the ARB | 15:23 |
| ajmitch | told by who? the ARB has always had a fairly strict policy on what submissions can go through that process | 15:24 |
| cwayne | david pitkin | 15:25 |
| cwayne | maybe i misheard him? | 15:25 |
| stgraber | cwayne: whoever told you that didn't read the ARB guidelines ;) | 15:25 |
| stgraber | cwayne: "Submissions should be applications, not stand-alone documentation or media (image bundles, fonts, movies). " | 15:25 |
| stgraber | cwayne: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Review/Guidelines | 15:25 |
| ajmitch | could be that he doesn't know the policy as approved by the TB, he might be working solely off price & license | 15:25 |
| dpm | cielak, sure, I'd recommend talking to the other guys in this channel, I'm sure they'd be happy to get more contributors | 15:25 |
| stgraber | that sounds likely indeed. I'll mention it to David and bounce the app back to the commercial queue | 15:26 |
| ajmitch | as amusing as rage faces would be... | 15:26 |
| stgraber | done | 15:26 |
| cwayne | ajmitch: hah, yeah, it makes irc much more fun :P | 15:30 |
| cwayne | stgraber: ok, so what do I do now? is it in the right queue? | 15:33 |
| highvoltage | good morning | 15:35 |
| ajmitch | morning highvoltage | 15:35 |
| highvoltage | wow, still awake ajmitch? :) | 15:36 |
| stgraber | cwayne: yep, it's in the right queue now and should be handled by dpitkin's team | 15:36 |
| ajmitch | highvoltage: more that I went to bed really early & ended up waking up at ~3 :) | 15:36 |
| * ajmitch should probably have had dinner before crashing though, I wonder if it's too early to have it for breakfast | 15:38 | |
| highvoltage | my 2012 sleep policy is that if I'm inspired/excited/can't-sleep... then I should use the time instead of trying to sleep and just getting frustrated and waste the time | 15:41 |
| highvoltage | not sure how well that will work, but I guess it's worth a try :) | 15:41 |
| highvoltage | (moving 7 hours west does wonders for sleep though :) ) | 15:42 |
| ajmitch | going to bed at 7 & getting up at 3:30 might be pushing it a bit | 15:44 |
| highvoltage | yeah :) | 15:44 |
| ajmitch | but at least I got some code working, I just have to get the package updated for it now | 15:47 |
| cielak | ajmitch, you've mentioned some time ago that you are willing to review harmonyseq soon - are you in the middle of reviewing it? because if not, I might upload few updates to the packaging, according to recent changes in the Review/Guidelines (both to ARB queue and the PPA) | 15:48 |
| ajmitch | upload away, I was trying to finish off another app before moving onto yours again | 15:59 |
| ajmitch | which I should get done today | 15:59 |
| cielak | right - just wanted to ensure I won't interrupt your work | 16:02 |
| cielak | okay - done ;) | 16:05 |
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