RAOFArgh!  Why is compiz claiming <Alt>+<right>? for alt-tab?00:22
RAOF*Sometimes* ?00:23
TheMusoRAOF: I am having other funky keybinding issues in conjunction with Orca.00:30
TheMusoSo I think there may be keybinding issues with recent compizz.00:30
RAOFI think this might have to do with the recent keybindings rework. :)00:31
TheMusoRAOF: Indeed.00:31
TheMusoI've just filed a bug for my issue.00:31
RAOFHuh.  It seems that the *second* keypress works - <Alt><left> is swallowed, but <Alt><left>, <Alt><left> goes back a page in Chromium.00:51
RAOFHeh.  And if you <Alt><left>, <Alt><right> Tomboy actually gets the <Alt><right>!  Workaround!00:52
* RAOF kills compiz again to get his keyboard back.01:28
RAOF…and again.01:29
RAOF@pilot out02:25
pittiGood morning05:47
pittidobey: we don't have many languages any more; English, Simplified Chinese (for China), Spanish, Portugese05:48
pittiall others already became a victim of adding the 25th runtime/language on the CD05:49
DBORAOF, sorry, had to reject your branch06:00
RAOFDBO: The pointer-barrier thing?  Yeah, after using it for a while it turns out that having the barrier both ways *is* better ;)06:01
jasoncwarner_RAOF: are you running unity-team ppa for compiz?06:02
RAOFjasoncwarner_: Yes, I think so.06:02
RAOFOh, actually no.06:02
DBOjasoncwarner_, I am06:02
DBOif you are referencing evil things from the super key-presses, we know06:03
jasoncwarner_RAOF: thumper just told me that the compiz there has some serious key grabbing issues...so if you are, that could be a problem06:03
jasoncwarner_DBO: yeah, thumper just walked me through it...06:03
RAOFI *am* running unity-team PPA for unity, though.06:03
jasoncwarner_RAOF: I think you would have the compiz as well then, no?06:03
jasoncwarner_DBO: thanks, yo...sounds like that one is going to be a fun one to look into ;)06:04
RAOF1: is the version of compiz I have; it's from the main archive.06:04
RAOFI also have fun keygrabbing issues; is it possible that the compiz with that issue is in the main archive, rather than the PPA?06:04
jasoncwarner_RAOF: yeah, me too Installed: 1:
jasoncwarner_RAOF: I'm pretty sure that is unity-team ppa (didrocks can confirm, though)06:04
DBORAOF, what keygrabbing issues are you seeing?06:04
RAOFDBO: <Alt><right> brings up alt-tab switcher, <Alt><left> doesn't work, but <Alt><left><left> does.06:05
RAOFSimilarly, <Super><space> doesn't summon Do; <Super><space><space> does.06:05
RAOF<Alt><left><right> works for <Alt><right>06:06
DBOalt right?06:06
RAOFBasically, it seems that unity is eating the first keypress of any modifier-using chord.06:06
DBORAOF, how could we be doing that?06:07
RAOFDBO: For getting dot points in Tomboy, for example, or for forward in Chromium.06:07
DBOsuper space isn't even us06:07
pittidobey: oh, there's one other thing: if we can drop python3 from the default install again, we'd reclaim some 5 MB :)06:07
RAOFDBO: No, but you *could* be eating everything with a <Super> attached, again.  You've got a passive grab on both <Super> and <Alt> now, right?06:07
DBORAOF, also we got unity running in LLVM pipe06:07
RAOFExcept now you're only eating the first keypress rather than all of them :)06:08
DBORAOF, nothing in archive should have changed that06:08
DBORAOF, LLVMpipe unity is quite fast06:09
RAOFThere is no newer compiz in the unity-team PPA, at least as far as I can see.06:09
RAOFDBO: Yeah, LLVMpipe is pretty good.  I'd be interested to see how it fares on less-than-awesome CPUs; ARM would be a nice test :)06:09
DBORAOF, works fine on a mini-906:11
RAOFThat's pretty impressive.06:11
DBOits not *as* fast06:11
DBObut its livable06:11
RAOFSlowish when trying to render a blurred alt-tab over video, I'd wager, but otherwise fine?06:12
DBOllvm-pipe should disable blurs06:12
DBOotherwise it is plenty fast06:12
RAOFIt just required you to swapbuffers on each damage event?06:12
RAOFslash frame?06:12
DBOwhich we cna do from the unity plugin itself06:13
DBOso, as far as Unity is concerned06:13
DBOwe run on everything now06:13
RAOFNow to get didrocks to try that barrier stuff :)06:14
RAOFHey!  Why don't I have software-center installed?06:15
RAOFDBO: The patch for https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz-core/+bug/925293 was in 1:, which is in the archive.  Is that the thing causing modifiers to go mad?06:18
ubot2`Launchpad bug 925293 in compiz-core "Plugins can't tell the difference between a modifier key-tap, and a modifier key-release (after being used to modify other keys)" [High,Fix committed]06:18
didrocksgood morning06:19
RAOFYo didrocks!06:19
didrockshey RAOF06:19
DBORAOF, yeah thats the one06:19
didrocksmodifier going mad?06:19
pittihey didrocks06:20
didrocksguten morgen pitti06:20
RAOFdidrocks: Press <Alt><Right> :)06:20
pittiRAOF, DBO: oh, are you talking about the problem that I can't type "B" any more?06:20
didrocksRAOF: works here, weechat changes my channel06:20
RAOFAlternatively, try to go back a page in firefox by pressing <alt><left>06:20
pitti(I have a Ctrl+B keybinding assigned which is broken now, and then couldn't type B without modifier)06:20
didrocksworks too06:20
RAOFdidrocks: What's your compiz?06:21
didrocksRAOF: well, the latest I pushed to the archive06:21
RAOFHm, odd.06:21
didrocksRAOF: pitti: do you have other examples of broken keys?06:22
* didrocks already reverted one patch yesterday from -0ubuntu2, so I can revert another one :(06:22
RAOFdidrocks: Anything using <Alt> or <Super>.  The first keypress is ignored  (or does something weird), the second and subsequent has the normal effect.06:22
RAOFSo I *can* go back a page in Chromium by hitting <Alt><left><left>, but <Alt><left> does nothing.06:23
DBOpitti, yeah06:23
DBOpitti, seems to be the patch to compiz that got backported into distro06:23
RAOFAlso, <Super><space> no longer summons Do; <Super><space><space> does.06:23
didrocksgrrr, I don't understand, it works here…06:23
RAOFThe bane of the developer!06:23
didrocksok, anyway, if there is a patch causing that, it can only be this one from the current set06:24
didrocksno, there is maybe the keybinding one as well06:24
pittianyway, that patch doesn't seem to have helped here to repair broken key bindings, only made it worse :/06:25
didrockspitti: it's not that one06:25
pittior putting windows into the background is generally broken now06:25
didrockspitti: it's another one which repairs the keybinding06:25
didrockspitti: so, open ccsm06:25
didrockspitti: viewport06:25
didrocksswitch to viewport06:25
didrocksthen assign a keybinding06:25
didrocks-> this should work06:25
pittihm, my broken key is with window management06:26
pitti(which are in control-center)06:26
pittiI don't see a key for "put into background" in ccsm, but I'll keep lokoing06:27
didrockspitti: hum, I'm really not sure about this one though06:27
didrocksis the viewport keybinding working?06:27
pittithat is, switch between virtual desktops?06:27
pittiyes, that never broke06:27
didrocks(people were complaining about this one for keybindings06:27
didrocksit was broken06:28
pittiin fact, all of the Alt+F5, Alt+F10, Strg+Alt+Cursor etc. kept working all the time for me06:28
pittiexcept my Ctrl+B to put window into the background06:28
didrockspitti: directly switching to a viewport06:28
pittibut I guess I ought to file a bug about it06:28
pittididrocks: ah, let me try06:28
didrocksviewport switcher -> go to specific viewport06:28
didrockspeople were complaining about those06:28
didrocksand this is what was fixed by the patch06:28
pittidoesn't work when I set it in control-center06:29
didrocksalt + r just for testing and it works06:29
pittihm, how do I specify in ccsm?06:29
pitti<Ctrl><Alt>1 ? or a different syntax?06:30
pittioh, nevermind; it's a confusing UI, found it06:30
didrockspitti: you can ask for capturing your key combination06:30
pittidoesn't work there either06:30
* didrocks doesn't understand06:30
pittiit says <Primary><Alt>1  (and 2)06:30
didrocksdoesn't undertand at all06:30
pittibut it doesn't actually act06:30
didrockspitti: try anything without ctrll06:30
didrocksctrl is written as "primary", that doesn't seem right06:31
pittitried <alt>1 / 2, works06:31
didrockscan you try the same for switching windows in the backcgorund?06:31
pittithis also works in control-center06:31
didrocksnot using ctrl06:31
didrocksyeah, I ensured the g-c-c integration worked06:32
pittithat works06:32
pittinice, I have that key back!06:32
pittiso it's "just" control which is broken?06:32
didrocksok, so it's another issue06:32
didrocksyeah, control seems to be mapped as "primary"06:32
didrocksand no more "ctrl"06:32
* pitti goes back to configuring his screen layout the normal way, having good IRC again06:33
didrocksI'm puzzled, nothing changed in ccsm, and no big changes in ibcompizconfig06:33
pittinew GTK?06:33
didrocksyeah, possibly :/06:33
didrocksso, there is this bug06:33
didrocksnow, on the key tap not working06:33
DBOdidrocks, gtk changed control to primary...06:33
didrocksI would really like to reproduce them06:33
didrocksDBO: oh?06:33
didrocksso yeah, there is a mismatch somewhere now06:33
didrocksok, keybinding works - this primary that we should track06:34
didrockson the tapping now, you all have it?06:34
* didrocks ties alt + left in weechat, chromium, always work, even the first time06:34
didrocksRAOF: as you have the issue, can you do a build for me?06:35
RAOFdidrocks: Certainly.06:35
RAOFHah.  *Yet another* person confused by <Primary>06:35
didrocksRAOF: lp:compiz, comment fix_925293.patch in debian/patches/series06:36
RAOFpitti, didrocks: GTK (both 3 *and* 2) now map <Ctrl> to <Primary>.  For some reason that I've not bothered to explore fully, except to bitch about.06:36
didrocksRAOF: interesting, so compiz is still waiting for Ctrl, but ccsm, because of gtk is setting it to <Primary> fo you :/06:37
RAOFdidrocks: Yeah.  Compiz (like apparently everything else which deals with keybindings) needs to deal with that.  http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=7f5733b454e26c882d4e707b57cd03b104f57dd2 is how g-c-c handled it.06:39
didrocksRAOF: oh, thanks for the pointer!06:39
RAOFOr possibly ccsm.06:39
RAOFAlso, don't write a check like that :)06:39
didrockshum, there seem that there is a key control check06:40
didrocksIt doesn't like me to edit directly in ccsm06:40
* didrocks tries in gconf06:40
didrockspitti: ok, Martin06:41
didrockspitti: in gconf-editor06:41
didrockspitti: you can edit your keybindings06:41
didrocksfor intance06:41
didrocksthat works06:42
didrocksit's clearly due to ccsm + new gtk06:42
didrocksphew, so the keybinding fix works, just need a little bit help of ccsm side06:43
* didrocks started to think he will at the end revert all the patches we had06:43
pittididrocks: hm, is that really a ccsm problem? I only touched that in g-c-c06:46
pittididrocks: anyway, I'll keep Alt+B for now06:46
didrockspitti: yeah, I'm looking about this, it's weird06:46
pittididrocks: in fact, that's what I had for a very long time until the menus grabbed them06:46
pittibut now the window handling keybinding seems to trump a menu with 'B', so that's fine for me ;)06:47
didrocksso g-c-c06:50
didrocksstill uses the keybinding integration06:50
didrocksbut store <Primary>06:50
didrocksin gconf06:50
didrocksand show Control in the ui06:51
didrocksat least, it all make sense06:51
didrocksI think the easier way is in compiz making Primary == Control, otherwise, it's patching g-c-c, ccsm…06:51
pittiI still wonder if that is a Gtk bug06:52
pittithat seems like a rather pointless change06:52
didrocksyeah, maybe better to wait for desrt on that one06:52
didrocksRAOF: still building? :)06:53
* RAOF heads out to the movies; I'll test once I get back.06:56
didrocksok, thanks RAOF :)07:02
tkamppeterpitti, hi07:32
pittihey tkamppeter07:33
tkamppeterpitti, perhaps you know that Dwe have agreed on a printer driver packaging policy with Debian, where one part is to name the packages printer-driver-...07:34
pittitkamppeter: yes07:34
pittitkamppeter: and it seems we have most of that already07:34
pittiI updated the seeds along07:34
tkamppeterpitti, due to this, all the printer driver packages are renamed now and the ubuntu-meta seeds are pulling the transitional packages.07:35
tkamppeterpitti, there are two possibilities to correct this:07:35
pittitkamppeter: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+changelog :)07:35
pittitkamppeter: I might have missed some, but most are updated07:35
pittic2esp already got renamed easlier07:35
pittiin 1.25807:35
tkamppeterpitti, fine, but perhaps we can go a more Debian-conforming way to include Debian's meta package printing-metas (source)/printer--drivers-all(binary). This is a meta package not installing any files, so no problem to introduce after FF.07:37
pittitkamppeter: as long as it doesn't pull in a ton of extra packages, or universe ones, sure07:37
tkamppeterpitti, it pulls printer-driver-escpr and c2050 from Universe.07:43
tkamppeterpitti, we could MIR the two, use printing-metas with these two patched out, or not use printing-metas, WDYT?07:44
pittitkamppeter: they are both tiny, so if they work and are well maintained, a MIR seems fine07:46
tkamppeterpitti, is m2300w -> printer-driver-m2300w covered? I do not see this one.07:47
pittiwe don't currently install this at all by default07:47
tkamppeterpitti, printer-driver-escpr is well maintained and probably already widely used under Ubuntu because it is also available as OpenPrinting auto download.07:47
pittisupported-misc-servers: * m2300w  # Driver for the Minolta magicolor 2300W/24000W color laser printers07:47
pittiI'll update that07:48
tkamppeterpitti, does m2300w get installed with the standard installation, as all the others?07:49
tkamppeterpitti, can we install it? The printers covered by m2300w should get equally treated as printers supported by other drivers.07:51
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pittiit's quite big (0.5 MB)07:51
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pittiso, as long as our CDs are horribly oversized, I'd veto any new major additions07:51
pittitkamppeter: I wish we could install printer drivers on demand instead of having to ship them all by default07:52
pittisounds like a nice UDS topic07:52
pittiwe have a nice system using a PackageKit API for this now07:52
pittiso we could introduce this in an upstream friendly way07:52
pitti(i. e. not a pure jockey solution)07:52
tkamppeterpitti, printing-metas would pull this one, too.07:53
tkamppeterpitti, c2050 is for one very old Lexmark inkjet, discontinued ~10 years ago, driver for only 300 dpi color, probably made by a student to get his printer working and that's it. package continued to be maintained by Debian (only packaging and perhaps bug fixes) and auto-synced into Ubuntu ...07:57
pittiso that one doesn't seem very urgent then07:57
tkamppeterpitti, I would only promote this to main to be able to sync printing-metas from Debian. I by myself even did not work on this package because the expected user community is extremely small.07:58
pittiSweetshark: nice @ bug 900636; do you know whether the patches will be in the pending upload?08:03
ubot2`Launchpad bug 900636 in libreoffice "libreoffice ftbfs on armhf" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90063608:03
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tkamppeterpitti, so how should we treat the printer driver seeding then? Simply as before, via ubuntu-meta?08:21
pittitkamppeter: for now this works, so there's no urgency here08:38
tkamppeterpitti, OK, and the next one will perhaps download all drivers ...08:40
tkamppeterpitti, do you have any idea about bug 933973? Especially it seems to work under Debian but not under Ubuntu, though CUPS packages are identical under Debian and Ubuntu.08:44
ubot2`Launchpad bug 933973 in cups "Cups and related packages will not install without error in chroot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93397308:44
BigWIs there a way to reinstall all the ubuntu-desktop packages?08:59
rickspencer3chrisccoulson,  hey, did you see that t-bird is busted today?08:59
BigWI broke something08:59
pittibonjour seb12808:59
pittitkamppeter: the main difference is init.d vs. upstart08:59
seb128hey pitti, how are you?08:59
seb128rickspencer3, seems it's not? or only if you activate non standard extensions?09:00
pittiseb128: quite fine indeed; was quite happy to see this morning that precise_probs.html was beer-y and everything seems to be in good shape :)09:00
rickspencer3seb128, well, I don't have non-standard extensions09:00
davidcalleHi seb12809:00
rickspencer3it opens for me, but doesn't load any mailboxes or anything09:00
seb128rickspencer3, ok, dunno then, works for me ;-) dholbach and micahg just discussed known problem on #ubuntu-devel but that's due to extensions09:01
seb128hey davidcalle09:01
seb128pitti, great!09:01
pittitkamppeter: there are no logs there, but I suppose it falls over when upstart is not running in the chroot; not sure whether jhunt knows a general solution to this09:01
rickspencer3seb128, chrisccoulson I can still watch Taylor Swift videos, so we'll be okay for now09:03
seb128rickspencer3, it's only 9pm in the uk, wait for chrisccoulson to get coffee ;-)09:03
tkamppeterpitti, can you assign the bug to the right upstart-in-chroot expert? Thanks.09:03
rickspencer3hey chrisccoulson, I'm logging a bug now09:04
chrisccoulsonthe bug is a missing file in the package. it would have been trivial for somebody to fix before i signed on this morning, rather than spending efforts discussing workarounds :)09:04
davidcalleseb128, I would need a very tiny amount of cd space, for the video lens + scope.09:04
rickspencer3chrisccoulson, oh, someone discussed workaround?09:05
rickspencer3chrisccoulson, what should I do?09:05
rickspencer3just wait?09:05
chrisccoulsonrickspencer3, you can start it in safe mode (thunderbird -safe-mode)09:06
* rickspencer3 cancels bug report09:06
pittitkamppeter: it could also be that it fails in post-start, and it needs to be more resilient to cupsd not running09:07
rickspencer3chrisccoulson, thanks09:07
rickspencer3as always, you demonstrated awesomeness all around09:08
pittihey chrisccoulson09:08
chrisccoulsonhey pitti09:08
chrisccoulsonhow are you?09:08
seb128hey chrisccoulson09:08
pittichrisccoulson: quite fine, thanks!09:09
chrisccoulsonhi seb12809:09
seb128pitti, btw the compiz merge request you reopen, the update is sitting in the oneiric sru queue for a week so technically it's merged ;-)09:20
seb128(I was just waiting on the autoimporter, I didn't bother actually using the vcs)09:20
seb128pitti, I'm closing it again09:20
pittiseb128: oh, I see; sorry09:20
pittineed to find some time to process SRUs09:21
seb128pitti, no worry09:22
chrisccoulsonpitti - hmmm, any chance you could kill the thunderbird builds?09:27
chrisccoulsonit's not actually enough to automatically recover from the problem that people are seeing09:27
pittichrisccoulson: I can't09:28
pittichrisccoulson: best to ask in teh IS channel09:29
pittithere is no interface for that aside from ssh'ing in as root and rm -r'ing the build tree, then let it die09:29
ryehi chrisccoulson, is thunderbird issue you are discussing related to all panels turning blank with no content?09:29
ryeas in this - http://ubuntuone.com/2InpyFE2dUNV11zWijd7Ie ?09:30
micahgrye: bug 93395109:31
ubot2`Launchpad bug 933951 in thunderbird "Messaging menu extension interacts badly with lightning in precise making thunderbird unusable" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93395109:31
micahgnot fixed, but workaround in there09:31
chrisccoulsonit's trivially fixable. it would have been better to fix it earlier rather than talk about workarounds and assign it to me when i'm still asleep ;)09:32
ryemicahg, thank you! could not find the bug in lp, sorry09:32
micahgchrisccoulson: I had no idea what was causing it, if I did, I would've :)09:32
seb128pitti, thanks for the sru round!09:42
pittiyou're welcome09:42
BigWI figured how to reinstall ubuntu desktop09:46
seb128oops an error, wasted my bug description!10:03
BigWseb128, CTRL-A, CTRL-C before clicking submit ... I have this as a conditional reflex. :)10:05
pittiseb128: go back10:05
pittiin most of the cases going back a page keeps the contents10:05
pittifirefox is pretty good at that10:05
seb128pitti, not with launchpad ajax stuff10:05
seb128I got my title back10:05
seb128but not the description :-(10:06
pittiI was quite surprised that when appending a bug comment, the pending input text is still there even after closing and reopening firefox10:06
Sweetsharkpitti: bug 900636 patches will be in the next upload (although I think I will do a ppa upload without them first)10:15
ubot2`Launchpad bug 900636 in libreoffice "libreoffice ftbfs on armhf" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90063610:15
pittiSweetshark: cool, thanks10:15
pittiSweetshark: when do you plan to do this, BTW? we need to coordinate a bit with beta-110:15
pittiand armel takes very long these days10:16
pittialthough it should be faster now, the babbages are gone10:16
Sweetsharkppa upload today10:16
Sweetsharkmain upload, hmm, I would have prefered to put it on a clean debian version, but we could drop that and just go with the ppa-version plus armhf fix10:18
pittiPPA version is building out of the packaging git?10:18
pittiSweetshark: I'm asking because this currently fails all the automatic upgrade tests, so it hides the other upgrade issues we need to fix10:19
Sweetsharkwhere does it fail the automatic update tests? is that the unopkg issue again?10:20
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pittialso, it's one of the major blockers for moving armhf to our default arm flavour and dropping armel10:25
pittiSweetshark: sorry that you have the most important package in the archive :)10:26
Sweetsharkpitti: stop flattering me ;)10:29
* pitti sends a big ♥ to Sweetshark10:29
* Sweetshark hugs pitti10:30
pittiSweetshark: did you see http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lfcGEQRyaqI ?10:30
pitti(wrt. Valentine's day)10:31
Sweetsharkpitti: How about you becoming the german president? the position is vacant again since 25 minutes ...10:31
Sweetsharkpitti: yeah that guy is great.10:31
Sweetsharkpitti: http://blog.fefe.de/?ts=b1c3500810:32
pittiGauck FTW10:32
pittiWe still need Schaeuble, and the others just won't be good10:33
SweetsharkCDU -- achivement unlocked: two failed presidents in a row.10:34
chrisccoulsonoh, i thought you were joking when you said "the position is vacant again since 25 minutes", and then i just checked BBC News ;)10:35
pittihe had that coming10:36
pittihe didn't really do anything serious, it was just the sum of lots of small blunders10:37
pittiand it seems the media just wanted to see him go10:37
pittinot that I had ever liked him, but killing him like this was not really appropriate10:37
pittiit's just what you get when you make a politician president10:38
Sweetsharkpitti: although the timing is suspicous -- forcing him to retreat when the rhineland is drunk for a week ...10:40
RAOFdidrocks: Confirmed; dropping fix_925293.patch makes keybindings work as expected.10:47
pittiRAOF: enjoyed the movies?10:48
RAOFSaw _The Artist_10:48
didrocksRAOF: yeah, someone pointed me to another reproducer which indeed worked here, so I already dropped and upoaded a little bit ealier, thanks for confirming! :)10:48
RAOFIt's surprising how understandable a silent movie can be, even with so little text.10:49
chrisccoulsonhmmm, i'm pretty stuck with https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=694594 now. anyone got any bright ideas? :-)10:49
ubot2`Mozilla bug 694594 in JavaScript Engine "Crashes with gcc 4.4.3" [Critical,New: ]10:49
pittiseb128, didrocks: FYI, I'll be on vacation next Monday10:50
seb128pitti, ok10:51
seb128pitti, have fun! ;-)10:51
pittigoing to enjoy Berlin for a few days10:51
pittiwill hit the train in two hours, and work offline over the afternoon10:52
didrockspitti: oh enjoy :)10:52
pittiI'll have some time to continue on that power debugging script10:52
pittiseb128: I should be able to make the release meeting today10:52
seb128pitti, ok, great, I'm not sure I will be around to replace you today, I might call it a day earlier this afternoon10:57
seb128lol https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67026810:57
ubot2`Gnome bug 670268 in shell "The "all settings" view should have a calculated geometry" [Enhancement,Resolved: duplicate]10:57
pitti^ argh10:58
seb128go bastien go ;-)11:01
chrisccoulsonseb128, i was just reading the comments on the duplicate bug too11:16
chrisccoulsonthis is funny: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=657560#c4 ;)11:16
ubot2`Gnome bug 657560 in shell "Overview visual improvements" [Normal,Unconfirmed]11:16
seb128lol, yeah11:16
seb128comment #19...11:17
chrisccoulsonseb128, oh, i was just looking at comment #14 too11:17
seb128pitti, should report['Title'] be availabe in an apport hook?11:20
seb128it gives me a key not found, not sure why11:20
pittiseb128: depends; for a crash it should, for a bug report not11:21
pittias bug reports can't have default titles11:21
seb128pitti, it's a segfault11:21
seb128I run ubuntu-bug on the .crash11:21
pittiah, sorry, no11:21
pittihooks can set it11:21
pittiand if they don't, launchpad.py calls report.standard_title()11:22
pittiseb128: so if you want to know the default title, just call taht11:22
seb128pitti, can I call that myself? or hook after the call?11:22
seb128ok, thanks11:22
seb128pitti, I want to add [name_of_panel]: at the start of gnome-control-center bugs11:22
seb128like [dislay]: segfault in function()11:23
pittiseb128: so for future compatibility, probably best if you get it like11:24
pittititle = report.get('Title', report.standard_title())11:24
pittititle = [... mangle ...]11:24
pittireport['Title'] = title11:24
seb128pitti, thanks11:24
jibelseb128, do you know where unity-greeter read the names of  keyboard layouts to list in the indicator  ?11:34
seb128jibel, run d-feet in your user session11:35
jibelon the broken system the layout is "fr          oss" and on systems that work it is "fr oss"11:35
seb128jibel, connect to the system bus11:35
seb128go to org.freedesktop.Accounts11:36
seb128select your user on the right, unfold the first categories (.User) and find XKeyboardLayouts and double click on it11:36
seb128jibel, but I think it's basically "gsettings get org.gnome.libgnomekbd.keyboard layouts" as well11:37
seb128which gives me "['fr\toss']" here11:37
seb128pitti, I guess the apport summary dialog is being redesign with ev work? i.e I shouldn't bother sending a fix for the widget being like 15 pixel high?11:43
seb128pitti, thanks for the hint, my hook seems to work fine now!11:44
pittiseb128: nice!11:44
Sweetsharkwooohoo! 3.5.0-1ubuntu1~ppa1 seems to run and look good.11:57
* Sweetshark prepares for upload.11:57
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pittibye everyone, have a nice weekend! will get online later again for release meeting, but otherwise mostly work offline12:15
chrisccoulsonbug 934085 is a really useful and well written bug report12:57
ubot2`Launchpad bug 934085 in firefox "can't see video" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93408512:57
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dixoncxhey, i need help for empthy.. Is there any way for "google group chat" in empathy ? From where i will get "server" address for "google group chat" ?13:07
dixoncxanyone, pls help...13:09
dobeypitti: i was wondering about python3. it looks like lsb-release, lsb-languages, and lsb-core all depend on it though13:33
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dobeyi guess lsb-release is the problematic one there13:34
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seb128dobey, it was a decision to get pythion3 installed by default I think13:38
seb128dobey, it just happens that lsb uses it, but it's not there only because of it13:38
dobeyseb128: perhaps, but if lsb-release requires it, then dropping is a bit more difficult than just discussing whether or not to have it installed by default13:40
seb128dobey, well, porting lsb back to python2 is probably trivial13:40
seb128dobey, but again "we want to change toolkit for our ui which is working" is hardly a reason to drop python313:41
seb128we will like better to keep the gtk ui of control panel and python313:41
seb128rather than drop python3 so we can switch the control panel to a toolkit which is different from everything else we use13:41
dobeyregardless of whether we find space on the CD or not, i don't think "keep the gtk control panel" is going to happen13:43
dobeyand it's not up to me, so i do not want to argue on that point13:43
nessitaseb128: I know your feelings (and dobey's), but I think that an important reason is that we're no longer supporting the Gtk controlpanel, and perhaps that can be a reason to start a discussion (whatever that can be)13:43
nessitaseb128: right, the decision of dropping support for the Gtk panel is not ours (devs), so there isn't much we can do. If we don't fit in the CD with Qt, we'll remove the controlpanel altogether leaving the installer only :-/ (which is another thing to maintain for us)13:45
seb128dobey, nessita: the gkt control panel is on the CD if nothing happen it will stay here for the lts, so I'm not sure about  the "not going to happen"13:45
seb128dobey, nessita: you are an upstream like another, we can decide to stay on the non maintain gtk panel as we decide to stay on GNOME 3.2 for some GNOME components13:46
jbichaoh yay, the ubuntu one installer conversation again...13:46
seb128jbicha, hey ;-)13:46
jbichaseb128: hi13:46
dobeyseb128: the current gtk+ control panel is broken, and not getting fixed.13:47
dobeynessita: were you planning to drop the gtk package on the next release? or when?13:47
nessitaseb128: sure, I know that. But I also know that part of the Ubuntu One branding is removing the Gtk contropanel and going with the Qt one, so I guess some more conversation will have to happen13:48
nessitadobey: I was waiting to see if the issue of room in the CD was resolved...13:48
dobeynessita: i think it's resolved to "there is none"13:48
seb128nessita, dobey: well we told you at UDS that the toolkit change was going to be an issue, you choosed to ignore that... there we are13:48
dobeyseb128: i didn't ignore it. i knew it was going to be an issue. but it's not my call unfortunately :)13:49
nessitaseb128: hey, we did not ignore. We added that info to the decision making layers, and they used it.13:49
nessitaseb128: and they decided to go this route the same... there isn't much we /couldcan do13:49
seb128nessita, well your decision making layers knew there was a chance it would be an issue and decided to take it, there they are13:49
seb128nessita, dobey: it's nothing against you guys13:50
seb128we just knew there was a chance it would be problematic13:50
nessitaseb128: right, I know13:50
dobeyseb128: yes. i knew it was going to be problematic. though, with dropping mono as well, i wasn't expecting it to be *this* problematic :-/13:50
nessitadobey: regarding your question, since apparently we now have a definitive answer on the CD room, I guess we'll have to make that happen next release-week, no?13:51
dobeyseb128: anyway, now we are simply looking for possible solutions to it.13:51
seb128dobey, nessita: I guess the best you have to do now is to open a bug explaining why we can't keep the gtk one and need to go with the qt one13:51
seb128then we need to figure what we want to do13:51
seb128I would argue than we can fix the gtk one if it has issues13:52
seb128it seems to work fine for me btw, not sure how it's broken for you13:52
dobeyseb128: well one problem is that it suggests installing things we no longer support…13:53
nessitaseb128: among other things, is broken because it does not present the info as how out latest branding guidelines require13:53
dobeyseb128: and there are some bugs open that almost certainly won't be getting fixed13:53
seb128well, open a bug and state all the reasons we should change for13:54
seb128I still think it's stupid to switch from our default toolkit to a different one, it's going to be the only application looking different for no reason and it's making CD space issues13:55
dobeywe have 3 default toolkits13:55
seb128like I would like better to have tomboy on the CD than qt only to be able to switch toolkit in the u1 panel13:55
dobeyactually, no; more than 3, but 3 major ones :)13:55
dobeyqt is already on the CD. we just need some of the python bindings13:56
seb128dobey, we have no application using qt on the unity session so far13:56
dobeyseb128: unity-2d is qt.13:56
seb128no even if it's technically on the CD we don't have any look mismatch13:56
seb128dobey, it's not unity and it's not an application13:56
seb128dobey, i.e it doesn't show as an look mismatch under unity 3d13:56
chrisccoulsonright, i've got to pop out for a bit13:57
chrisccoulsongoing for our second scan :)13:57
seb128chrisccoulson, good luck!13:57
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didrockssee you chrisccoulson13:58
dobeyseb128: yes, well, technically our gtk control panel doesn't have a look consistent with the rest of the system, either.13:58
seb128dobey, let's stop that discussion, it's not very useful, as said I think the decision made there is stupid but it was neither yours or nessita's and not revelant to solving that issue13:59
seb128dobey, I just hate when obviously problematic decision are taken13:59
seb128and when it leads to the issue we said it would lead to13:59
seb128but shrug, it's the way it is13:59
seb128dobey, nessita: open a bug and dump into it all the reason why we need to switch14:00
seb128with an indication of the CD space you need14:00
seb128then we can work from there14:00
seb128we will have to make choices14:00
seb128we might need to drop something else if we feel the qt panel is more important14:00
nessitaseb128: makes sense, thanks14:00
nessitaI'll talk to the bosses so they can fill in all the reasoning14:01
dobeyi guess we'll probably ned about 8M :-/14:02
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pittidobey: yes, but lsb-release can be reverted in a matter of seconds; it was only switched to python3 to get py3 into the default install, hoping that more projects would pick it up14:40
pittibut yes, it's trading one more runtime against another14:41
pittiseb128: well, I'd not keep the gtk control panel in our LTS against the U1 team's will14:42
pittiit's one of the components which almost certainly needs updating throughout precise's lifetime, so we need upstream support14:42
seb128pitti, right, well pyqt is 8mb it seems14:42
pittiI do share your avesion against introducing the n+1st toolkit, of course14:43
pittiif anythin we need to drop more14:43
pittiseb128: right now it's 1314:43
seb128pitti, I was rather complaining about the decision to change toolkit to bring yet another set of binding where the toolkit used was working fine14:43
seb128but *shrug*14:43
pittiit can certainly be split, though, I think dobey mentioned that someone's working on that?14:43
pittiseb128: yes, +114:43
seb128pitti, well seems he said it was going to be about 8mb14:43
seb128which is better than 13mb14:43
seb128but still not small14:44
pittiright, and again just for one program14:44
pittiso, the installer option would make more sense than in oneiric14:44
pittithere it was working well, gtk was supported, and the gtk one was trivial in size14:44
dobeywell it's 8MB between pyqt itself, the couple of other libqt4-foo packages, and sso and control-panel qt packages14:45
pittiis the installer written in Qt? or python/gtk?14:46
pittiif it's pyqt, it would be no better, of course14:46
* pitti offline again until release meeting14:55
dobeypitti: installer is already on the CD. it's pygi for now and always has been :)15:05
seb128ok, I'm away for some hours, will be back later for a bit15:10
seb128have a good w.e if I don't see you15:10
didrockssee you seb12815:12
Davieyinfinity: You asked for a ping today, right? :)15:43
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pittididrocks: FYI, retrying unity armel build, previously failed due to libnux arch desync16:07
asacgnome-session conflicts unity-2d and vice-versa16:22
asacin precise16:22
asacguess thats because of a recent upload?16:22
asacdidrocks: ?16:26
asacwhats more important of those two?16:26
asacwhen will we get ubuntu-session :)?16:27
asacor unity-session16:27
kenvandineasac, looks like unity-2d FTBFS16:30
asackenvandine: who is on it? would like to complete my precise upgrade before rebooting :)16:31
kenvandinenot sure, i just noticed when you pointed it out :)16:31
kenvandinelooks like maybe nux wasn't published yet, /me looks closer16:32
asacguess having hte idea to upgrade during feature freeze rush wasnt the smartest :)16:32
kenvandineasac, ok, i restarted the builds16:35
kenvandinelooks like it just got caught in the middle of publishing16:36
kenvandineasac, the builds are succeeding now, but they are going to NEW16:39
kenvandineso will be a bit16:39
asackenvandine: rock on... is it unity-2d?16:45
asacor nbux?16:45
Riddellpitti: what is the language pack refresh and why does it make things smaller?16:48
pittiRiddell: so, there is language-pack-XX-base with the full set16:48
pittiRiddell: and language-pack-XX with updates since the last -base refresh16:48
pittiso these update packages keep growing until we refresh them16:49
pittiand during these times (new gnome/kde upstream releases etc.) they grow quickly16:49
Riddelloh that'll be nice to have16:50
Riddellkubuntu gained loads of space by splitting out amarok help docs in other languages so there's probably other cases where that can be done for us16:50
kenvandineis unity-greeter working for anyone with multiple monitors?16:50
dobeykenvandine: i've seen at least one report of it crashing today16:53
kenvandineit is crashing for me too16:54
dobeypitti: looks like the old ubuntu-sso-client is still on CD, probably because the new binaries got held back yesterday, due to an issue seb found16:54
kenvandinei think it was r294 from robert_ancell16:54
pittidobey: ah, I remember16:54
kenvandinebut it is  a big change, specifically for handling multiple monitors16:54
dobeynessita: did you get seb's issue fixed/uploaded btw?16:54
pittidobey: I binNEWed them this morning, probably after today's CD image cronjob16:54
dobeypitti: ah, ok16:55
pittidobey: so they should just fall off tomorrow16:55
nessitadobey: nopes, I'm finishing the tests16:55
kenvandineit would be nice if lightdm would fallback to another greeter if unity-greeter crashes16:55
nessitadobey: shall I hurry that?16:55
dobeynessita: please16:55
nessitadobey: shall I upload the patch without the tests? I have it working and IRL tested on a french VM16:55
dobeynessita: does it affect the tests that we install now?16:56
nessitadobey: it modifies it, yes, but does not change the class that is being used from the controlpanel test suite16:57
dobeynessita: i think it's probably safe to omit the test changes in the patch then, so we get it uploaded and it's not breaking for everyone.16:58
nessitaok, will do that16:58
dobeyespecially important since pitti did the binNEW this morning :)16:59
nessitaoh uh16:59
pittiwas I not supposed to?16:59
nessitano problem16:59
nessitawill that asap16:59
pittithere was a ton of stuff caught there, I wanted to catch up a little16:59
nessitapitti: well, seb found a problem with unicode that we had for ages but was masqueraded17:00
nessitapitti: I have the fix, will upload ASAP17:00
dobeypitti: it's ok. nessita will upload a fix shortly17:00
kenvandinebug 93404017:00
ubot2`Launchpad bug 934040 in unity-greeter "unity-greeter crashed with SIGSEGV in background_loader_load()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93404017:00
kenvandinei wonder where mterry is17:01
pittiat least that one won't be caught then17:01
dobeypitti: seb was holding them because of the unicode issue :)17:01
kenvandineit is crashing loading the background on multiple monitors17:01
didrockspitti: thanks (sorry was on a call). I'm looking at them17:16
didrocksasac: yeah, but once unity-2d will be published, it will be fine17:17
didrocksasac: needing a newing on unity-2d indeed17:17
didrockspitti: ^17:17
didrocksif around17:17
didrockssorry was on a meeting :)17:17
pittididrocks: meeting> me too, and then off17:18
pittididrocks: no worries, it was just a FYI that you can ignore the armel unity-2d failure (at least the first mail you get)17:18
didrocksyeah, I have the tab opened as I'm used to the arch mismatched :p17:19
didrockspitti: if you can just binNEW unity-2d, that would help everyone upgrading https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue17:19
didrocksjust a transition from (unity-2d-launcher, unity-2d-places) -> unity-2d-shell17:19
* pitti patiently waits for the LP page to load through his shoelace/yoghurt can 2G connection17:20
didrockspitti: urgh, you are on a 2G connexion?17:22
didrockspitti: sorry didn't want to bother you17:22
didrockspitti: I can annoy someone else, don't bother ;)17:22
pittididrocks: done17:22
pittididrocks: no worries17:23
didrockspitti: thanks a lot, sorry again, didn't realize :)17:23
pittididrocks: yes, on a train en route to Berlin17:23
pittirelease meeting happening now17:23
pittididrocks: de rien :) not your fault17:23
didrockspitti: I think you arrived at your destination already! still a long time remaining?17:23
pittididrocks: it's a 5:40 hour ride, ETA 1.5 hours17:24
pittimeeting finisheed, good night & happy weekend everyone!17:24
didrockssee you pitti! enjoy your week-end :)17:24
* pitti hugs everyone17:24
* didrocks hugs pitti back17:24
pittididrocks: great work this week!17:25
didrocksmerci pour le NEWing :)17:25
didrocksdanke ;)17:25
didrocksasac: so, now that unity-2d is available, you should have a matching gnome-session and unity-2d :)17:26
didrocksasac: the double Breaks: was needed to ensure people won't land in an empty session17:26
chrisccoulsonso, we're having another girl by the look of things17:33
chrisccoulsoni'm going to be seriously outnumbered in this house!17:33
czajkowskichrisccoulson: congrats17:34
chrisccoulsonthanks :)17:34
* czajkowski has no desktop or login on precise upgrades17:34
czajkowskiI had no issues till two days ago on preicise :(17:35
kenvandineczajkowski, ufh17:35
kenvandineczajkowski, mulitple monitors?17:35
czajkowskihave managed to tether phone and get to tty to ssh in so I can see if I can get this fixed17:35
czajkowskino go to login and it keeps saying I've no unity 2d see twitter.com/czajkowski for screen image17:35
chrisccoulsonnow time for me to get some last minute compiler debugging in before the weekend17:36
chrisccoulsonfun times :)17:36
kenvandineon, you got a partial upgrade17:36
kenvandineczajkowski, any other sessions you could use?17:36
czajkowskikenvandine: would seem that way but every time I try and fix it it keeps giving me an unity 2d erorr saying broken packages17:36
kenvandineczajkowski, yeah not all the packages are published17:37
czajkowskigoing to keep trying over the weeknd to pull updates and see if something makes a difference17:37
czajkowskiif not wiping and installing oneiric on sunday :(17:37
kenvandineyou'll be fine :)17:38
kenvandineunity-2d should be published soon17:38
didrockschrisccoulson: fight back, fight back! We trust you :)17:38
czajkowskikenvandine: hope so, it's been really good as I say till just this week and things just keep going a bit crazy,17:39
kenvandinedist-upgrade can cause problems :)17:39
didrockswell, basically, you can be blind on upgrade, and then take care on dist-upgrade :)17:39
* didrocks cracked the whip so many times on the french forum than now they don't do any more partial upgrades \o/17:40
czajkowskiyeah but I do try to run  non released releases to report bugs, the power indicator one got fixed this morning17:43
czajkowskijust habing no login working is a royal pita17:43
kenvandineczajkowski, need to look really close at what is going to happen on a dist-upgrade before confirming it17:45
czajkowskikenvandine: indeed clearled missed the goning_to_remove_login :)17:46
czajkowskimeh I've a terminal can at least be occupied on the train17:46
czajkowskinot the end of the world either17:46
didrockschrisccoulson: hum, it's your fault my upgrade it taking forever! thunderbird-dbg :p17:53
didrockschrisccoulson: btw, we need to discuss on Monday, I still have the long long "a script is running…" at startup17:53
didrocksand have to press continue to get an ui17:53
didrocks(thunderbird takes 1 min to start here)17:53
kenvandineczajkowski, unity-2d-shell is now published17:54
didrockskenvandine: can you tell me that everything is fine on upgrade ?17:55
didrockskenvandine: just the unity-2d package transition (I tested on a machine from the ppa, seems ine)17:55
didrocksas it's was quite epic ;)17:55
kenvandinei'd have to also downgrade unity-greeter manually :/17:55
didrockskenvandine: dpkg-hold FTW17:55
kenvandinecrashes on multi-monitor17:55
czajkowskikenvandine: can I just install that17:55
kenvandinedidn't know about that one :)17:55
czajkowskior should I wait for it to come down in the archive ?17:56
kenvandineczajkowski, dist-upgrade should get it17:56
didrockskenvandine: I learnt about it because of an issue with the nvidia driver for me :)17:56
kenvandinei am on nvidia too17:56
didrocksyeah, my nvidia card seems to not be supported anymore :/17:56
czajkowskikenvandine: cheers will give it a bit17:56
didrockskenvandine: so, you should be able to dpkg-hold17:56
kenvandinedidrocks, it crashes trying to resize the wallpaper :/17:56
czajkowskikenvandine: oh got a new laptop too no more old tosh with odd errors any more17:57
didrocksthen, apt-get upgrade17:57
didrockskenvandine: I didn't get any issue on unity-greeter, but I guesss I didn't login with the new version17:57
kenvandinebug 93404018:00
ubot2`Launchpad bug 934040 in unity-greeter "unity-greeter crashed with SIGSEGV in background_loader_load()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93404018:00
kenvandineincase you reboot and hit it18:00
* didrocks looks18:00
kenvandinedist-upgrade still wants to remove unity-2d18:01
didrockskenvandine: apt-cache policy unity-2d ?18:01
kenvandineapt-cache doesn't see it yet18:01
kenvandinermadison does though18:01
kenvandineso almost published :)18:01
didrocksnot on the main archive?18:01
didrocksnormally rmadison is _after_18:01
kenvandinemain archive18:02
didrocksbut I won't get against apt-cache policy :)18:02
kenvandinei'm not feeling well, taking a bit of a break18:05
didrockskenvandine: :( hope you will feel better soon!18:07
asacdidrocks: kk. will check out18:08
asacseems i can get ^ubuntu-desktop again. great18:11
chrisccoulsondidrocks, we should do a swap. i'll fix your thunderbird bug if you fix https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=694594 :-)18:11
ubot2`Mozilla bug 694594 in JavaScript Engine "Crashes with gcc 4.4.3" [Critical,New: ]18:11
didrockschrisccoulson: ahah :)18:12
didrocksasac: so, it updated gnome-session and unity-2d?18:12
chrisccoulsoni think this is a really excellent idea :)18:12
asacdidrocks: well. one of them was removed i think18:12
asacincluding unity full18:12
asacdid a dist-upgrade today and forced to continue18:13
didrocksah you forced :)18:13
asacbut ubuntu-desktop task installed properly now18:13
asacdoing autoremove --purge now and then rebootin18:13
asacok done18:13
asacrebooting ... see you later18:13
asacdidrocks: seems i am back alive :) ... unity-2d works. and unity works too18:15
asacdidrocks: i noticed that the lightdm settings icon (the wheel) has a black background18:15
asacso its a black box on the purple background with the silver setting wheel inside18:16
didrocksasac: yeah, noticed that as well this morning. we pinged robert about it18:16
asacdidrocks: cool. so the sidebar is not hiding anymore when i full screen it18:16
asacguess that definitelyu fixes the issues with that bar staying hidden :)18:17
didrocksasac: indeed :p18:17
didrocksasac: more seriously, design decision18:17
asacwonder if the old behaviour is still wanted18:17
asaci felt it should have been there from the beginning18:17
didrockswe miss you! :)18:17
asaci basically had this layout on windows 10 years ago :) ... good that folks settled here18:17
didrocksasac: it was there18:18
didrocksasac: but in ccsm :)18:18
asacmy innovations finally diffused into the brain of others18:18
asacdidrocks: guess this cannot be turned off again?18:18
nessitapitti, dobey: new ubuntu-sso-client_2.99.4-0ubuntu2 uploaded18:19
asacoh... alt-f10 is not avialable anymore to maximize :/18:19
didrocksasac: heh on the "innovations" ;)18:19
didrocksasac: it can be turned on18:19
didrocksbut it's "autohide"18:19
didrocksnot anymore intellihide18:19
asacoh :)18:19
didrocksin gnome-control-center -> background18:19
asacthat would be cool18:19
asacwell. let me use this not-hiding experience again18:19
asacsince i wanted this in te beginning i guess i will get used to it18:20
didrocksasac: it's new, it's fresh, buy it! :)18:20
czajkowskikenvandine: oh it did arrive and yes I can now login and not get an error, but it still doesnt bring me to the desktop it seems to just go black and have a muse pointer.18:20
didrocksasac: indeed, and don't tell now that you preferred intellihide after all :p18:20
asacdidrocks: i think... i think the bar could zoom out and become smaller and then when mousing over zoom in :)_18:20
asacbut not disappear completely18:20
asacdidrocks: do we have four finger swipe to go to other desktops yet?18:21
didrocksasac: do you want some woobling effect? :)18:21
didrockshum, not sure about one TBH, kind of too busy to test utouch :)18:21
asacdidrocks: would multi-touch work on a thinkpad touchpad?18:21
asaci have turned it off ... but would love to try18:21
didrocksI think I saw people using it18:22
didrocksso I assume…18:22
asacreally ... hmm.18:22
asacok i will enable it in bios and see whats hot in precise18:22
didrocks(latest rally)18:22
asaccu later :)18:22
asacdidrocks: ok... didnt spot a multitouch feature yet... maybe that is not installed by default with ubuntu-desktop?18:25
asacok i could install utouch it seems... if thats what i wnat18:26
asacis it?18:26
* asac just goes for it18:26
didrocksasac: calm down, it's Friday evening! :)18:26
didrocksasac: seems you are excited by precise so far ;)18:26
asacthats why i am on fire18:26
asacfriday fire18:26
asacso utouch-compiz doesnt install18:27
asac utouch-compiz : Depends: compiz-core-abiversion-20110703 but it is not installable18:27
asacguess thats old stuff18:27
didrocksnot sure who is taking care about utouch-compiz18:28
asacdo i need that?18:28
asacits in universe18:28
asacso i hope not18:28
didrocksasac: no, it's an empty placeholder IIRC18:28
didrocksso shouldn't be what you want18:28
asacok relogging and hoping18:28
mterryphew, I'm late, but I'm here!18:30
asacok at least the "disable touchpad while typing" setting now seems to do the right thing... so i can keep it enabled for now ... but cant disover multitouch... wonder if there is a test app that shows me my touchpoints to see if it recognizes anything at all18:31
asacfood etc.18:31
asacanyway... break18:31
asacbut happy with precise so far...18:31
pgranerdidrocks, I found what causes https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/932520 to happen19:04
ubot2`Launchpad bug 932520 in unity-distro-priority "Maximzed windows on start up don't show full window" [High,Fix committed]19:04
didrockspgraner: oh really?19:04
didrockswhat about it?19:04
pgranerdidrocks, if my launcher is set to "Smart" mode it happens19:05
pgranerdidrocks, any other mode it works normally19:05
didrockspgraner: interesting artefacts, can you comment on the bug? I'll reping the dx team about it19:06
didrocksso based on the STRUT you get it…19:06
pgranerdidrocks, already did, let me know if you need anything else19:06
didrockspgraner: will reping dx on monday on it, thanks for the notice :)19:07
pgranerdidrocks, ack19:07
czajkowskikenvandine: whoo it's back to nomrla now19:07
asacdidrocks: last support request for this weekend: can I change size of the displayed icons in the launcher bar? would really like to use "half of the size"19:12
asacon my 12"19:12
asacif its a secret you can /msg that me :)19:13
didrocksasac: yes you can!19:13
didrocksasac: even on the default install, without ccsm :p19:13
didrocksand with an ui19:13
didrockslucky you :)19:13
didrocksgnome-control-center background19:13
asacis there a "yes, i have good eyes" feature?19:13
didrockssee the beautiful scrollbar I made for you :p19:13
asacbackground is not really where i would put it though19:13
didrockstalk to design, it was called "user interface" in the ui :)19:14
asacdidrocks: its actually called look i think19:14
asacerr appearance19:14
asacand then look19:14
didrocksasac: appearance19:14
didrocksit's a distro patch :)19:14
asacah ... wow19:14
asacreally odd :)19:15
asacyou mean ux team did that? or gnome?19:15
asacmaybe we just reuse the gnome background settings dialog for this?19:15
didrocksasac: it's called background in gnome19:15
asacthen it makes sense19:15
asacso we did the right thing (once)19:15
didrocksdesign asked us to add those options19:15
asaci love the 36 icons :19:15
didrockshehe, we are "butchering" the ui as upstream says :)19:15
asacerr 32px19:16
asacwould prefer 24 though i guess19:16
asacbut *shrug* its good as it is now19:16
asaclet me check something19:16
didrocksasac: yeah, unity doesn't support less right now19:16
asacour dash can become better19:16
asacsearching for "launcher icon" doesnt bring hte appearence thing19:16
didrocksasac: ^ upstream comment :)19:17
didrocksyeah, we need to add keywords19:17
asaci would really love to add more keywords to various things19:17
asaci happened to use win 719:17
didrockswe need someone to track those19:17
asacand even though the UI is completely incomprehensive, searching for the natural language terms made me find stuff19:17
didrocks(with translation and such)19:17
pgranerlook like Nvidia broke after updating19:17
asaclike "how the hell can I change the launcher icon size" ... would work there19:18
asachere just "launcher" would be good :)19:18
asaccool. everybody agrees :) ... now lets find a victim to do it19:18
asacenjoy your weekend19:18
pgranerbryceh, are you seeing nvidia breakage today?19:19
didrocksasac: thanks, you too :)19:19
* didrocks waves good evening19:20
brycehpgraner, SIGSEGV in WriteToClient() ?19:21
pgranerbryceh, no looks like: "This server has an unsupported input driver ABI version (have 16.0, need < 14.0). The driver will load but may behave strangely.19:22
brycehinput ABI, huh19:23
pgranerbryceh, yea, I can't get X to run, it loops until it finally gives up and I'm at a console prompt19:24
brycehpgraner, mind pastebinning your /var/log/dpkg.log?19:25
brycehpastebinit /var/log/dpkg.log19:25
pgranerbryceh, http://paste.ubuntu.com/846249/19:26
pgranerbryceh, http://paste.ubuntu.com/846254/    Xorg.0.log19:27
Sarvattpgraner: multi monitor?19:28
Sarvattthere's some unity-greeter breakage19:28
pgranerSarvatt, yep two heads19:28
bryceharrandale iirc19:28
brycehupgrade  unity-greeter                  2012-02-17   13:45:02     0.2.1-0ubuntu1                 0.2.3-0ubuntu319:29
brycehupgrade  nvidia-common                  2012-02-15   21:17:28     1:0.2.37                       1:0.2.3819:29
Sarvattpgraner: downgrading to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/0.2.1-0ubuntu1/+build/3209641/+files/unity-greeter_0.2.1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb sshould fix it for now19:29
Sarvattpgraner: https://launchpad.net/bugs/93404019:30
ubot2`Launchpad bug 934040 in unity-greeter "unity-greeter crashed with SIGSEGV in background_loader_load()" [High,Confirmed]19:30
brycehpgraner, the input ABI warning is innocuous.  We'll be updating to nvidia 295.20 soonish, and it may go away at that point.19:31
brycehpgraner, and you're a brave man upgrading the day after feature freeze ;-)19:32
pgranerbryceh, yea, I went to nvidia right away when I saw that in the log19:33
pgranerSarvatt, that fixed it19:34
brycehpgraner, yeah, our 1.11 xserver has the input stack from xserver 1.12, but NVIDIA really shouldn't care much about the input side of things.  It's been a few weeks since we upped the X stack with that change.19:36
pgranerOk now gnome-settings-daemon keeps dieing19:36
pgranerbryceh, http://paste.ubuntu.com/846267/19:37
brycehok now that looks like us :-)19:37
brycehactually maybe not, that could just be g-s-d confusion19:38
pgranerbryceh, if I unplug my wacom tablet g-s-d works19:38
brycehyeah, interesting, it's not recognizing your tablet as a tablet19:39
pgranerbryceh, tell me I can blame cnd :)19:39
brycehpgraner, hmm, nothing changed on the X side that'd possibly lead to that.  I think cnd's innocent (unless something changed in the kernel).  Likely is this:19:42
brycehupgrade  gnome-settings-daemon          2012-02-15   09:48:23     3.2.2-0ubuntu17                3.3.5-0ubuntu119:42
bryceh upgrade  gnome-settings-daemon          2012-02-17   13:41:50     3.3.5-0ubuntu1                 3.3.5-0ubuntu319:42
pgranerbryceh, damn! lol19:42
brycehpgraner, lemme poke around a bit19:43
pgranerbryceh, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/93444519:45
ubot2`pgraner: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0xa5ae8cc> bug 934445 not found19:45
brycehpgraner, mind testing if downgrading to the earlier g-s-d makes it work?  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/3.2.2-0ubuntu1719:52
brycehyeah looks like this new version has some significant changes with wacom19:54
brycehinstall  libwacom                       2012-02-15   09:48:22     <none>                         0.3-0ubuntu319:54
pgranerbryceh, that one works just fine.... so I can blame cnd?19:56
brycehseb128, ^^ you will want to look into this; the new wacom code in g-s-d apparently carries some risks19:56
brycehpgraner, nope, this one's for seb128 - see lp #93165619:56
ubot2`Launchpad bug 931656 in gnome-settings-daemon "let's try to update gsd to the current unstable version" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93165619:57
pgranerbryceh, damn, I'm really wanting to blame cnd...19:57
* pgraner stomps feet19:57
brycehpgraner, basically the new g-s-d has some new wacom support, which evidently could use some additional polish.19:58
pgranerbryceh, eh, nice way to put it... polish19:59
brycehpgraner, think you need a clickpad to be able to blame anything on cnd currently ;-)19:59
pgranerbryceh, I have one on my lenovo but turn it off, I like the red stick pointer better19:59
seb128bryceh, pgraner: hey, what's the issue? wacom shouldn't be used at all if you don't have a wacom device20:07
pgranerseb128, I do have one20:07
seb128pgraner, what's the issue with it?20:08
pgranerseb128, if its plugged in gnome-settings-daemon crashes20:08
pgranerseb128, with it unplugged it works fine20:08
seb128pgraner, can you report an apport bug?20:08
brycehseb128, see 93444520:08
pgranerseb128, I did20:08
seb128pgraner, I will have a look but not today20:08
seb128it's friday 9pm and it has been a look week ;-)20:08
brycehseb128, thanks; I've assigned it to you and am adding notes from our debugging20:08
seb128bryceh, thanks20:08
pgranerseb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/93444520:08
ubot2`Launchpad bug 934445 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon 3.3.5 crashed with SIGABRT in g_assertion_message() when my Wacom Bamboo 2FG 4x5 is plugged in" [High,Triaged]20:09
seb128bryceh, pgraner: can that wait next week (I guess it can)? ;-)20:09
seb128seems the workaround is easy and not so many people have a wacom device20:10
seb128bryceh, pgraner: you can disable the wacom plugin in gsettings if needed, or just unplug the device20:10
pgranerseb128, yea I downgraded so I'm good for now20:10
brycehseb128, yeah I think it's not critical; not many people have wacoms, and if they do and they MUST use precise, they can downgrade g-s-d20:11
seb128ok, good, next week topic then ;-)20:11
kenvandinemterry, did you see bug 934040 yet?20:33
ubot2`Launchpad bug 934040 in unity-greeter "unity-greeter crashed with SIGSEGV in background_loader_load()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93404020:33
kenvandinenot sure how many people are hitting it, but i know i can reproduce it20:34
kenvandineseems to be multi-monitor related20:34
brycehkenvandine, yeah pgraner hit it earlier (see scrollback)20:34
brycehkenvandine, downgrade unity-greeter for the time being20:34
kenvandinethat is what i did this morning20:35
brycehkenvandine, which video driver?20:35
kenvandinei just wanted to make sure mterry saw it20:35
* bryceh nods20:35
kenvandineit has something to do with loading the background image, when it falls back to the default20:36
brycehkenvandine, robert ancell added multi-monitor support yesterday.  the Design team wants the login screen to be shown as extended rather than mirrored as the default, so he's investigating how to get that working.  Perhaps the bug should go his way?20:50
dobeyanyone knows what happens if two separate packages have gsettings overrides for the same key?20:54
kenvandinebryceh, probably, but i figured mterry was more likely to be around sooner :)20:59
kenvandinebryceh, looks like r294 was the commit, but it isn't simple to back out21:00
kenvandinedobey, no idea21:00
BigWhaledid someone recently upgrade python logger in Precise?21:02
BigWhaleit seems that basicConfig stopped working21:02
kenvandinehey BigWhale21:02
BigWhalehey ken21:02
kenvandineisn't logger builtin to python?21:02
BigWhaleI think so21:02
BigWhalebut suddenly I don't get any debug info in Precise21:03
BigWhalewhich is weird21:03
BigWhaleanyway, I'll bbl ... have to unpack... came from the office half an hour ago :/21:04
kenvandinepython=2.7.2-13ubuntu5 was uploaded yesterday21:04
BigWhaleok, thanks for the info.21:04
BigWhaleI'll look into it a bit later.21:04
dobeykenvandine: i guess it's probably a race, and whichever gets installed last, wins; if not installed at the same time. and if they are installed at the same time, then i am not sure. i guess whichever comes later in the dir() listing21:07
mterrykenvandine, back, and ACK21:38
kenvandinemterry, i re-assigned it to robert_ancell21:38
kenvandinebut if you can fix it, i am sure folks would appreciate it :)21:39
kenvandineit is a little painful to work around right now21:39
mterrykenvandine, so how do you reproduce?21:46
kenvandinemy nvidia desktop with two displays21:47
kenvandinecrashes everytime21:47
kenvandinei am not sure if it is nvidia specific or not21:48
kenvandinecould be that both of my displays are 1080p21:48
kenvandineso it is scaling the image pretty big21:48
Sarvattkenvandine: do you use twinview too?21:51
mterrykenvandine, seems to be because part of the code thinks there are *no* monitors...21:52
Sarvatteveryone i've talked to hitting it has been using twinview21:52
mterrykenvandine, can you pastebin me the output of "unity-greeter --test-mode" run in your user session?21:56
kenvandinemterry, http://paste.ubuntu.com/846474/21:59
kenvandinei hope it helps :)22:00
mterrykenvandine, oh duh.  sorry I need a real log.  /var/log/lightdm/x-0-greeter.log maybe?22:00
mterrykenvandine, thanks!22:02
kenvandinethat is from 0.2.1, not the crashing version22:02
kenvandinelightdm doesn't keep logs from previous sessions22:02
ricotzcyphermox, ping22:02
kenvandinei had to downgrade in order to login22:02
mterrykenvandine, right; that makes sense, though doesn't have the debug output I wanted.  /me looks elsewhere22:03
=== m_conley is now known as m_conley_away
ricotzcyphermox, hi, libnm-utils-dev is missing to install nm-utils-enum-types.h22:03
mterrykenvandine, can you run this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/846487/  (with valac --pkg=gtk+-3.0 monitors.vala; ./monitors)22:12
kenvandineScreen is 3840x1080 pixels22:16
kenvandineMonitor 0 is 1920x1080 pixels at 0,022:16
kenvandineMonitor 1 is 1920x1080 pixels at 1920,022:16
* mterry is confused then and digs deeper. kenvandine: thanks again!22:17
brycehmterry, what's the confusion?22:20
mterrybryceh, the code at first blush seems to do the right thing as long as it thinks there are monitors.  And the above indicates it's getting the right info about monitors.  I'm just missing something stupid the code must be doing22:20
kenvandinemterry, but the crash is in loading the background22:21
kenvandinelooks to me like it is really when it is trying to resize the background22:21
mterrykenvandine, yeah, in loading a background at the various sizes needed, we try to print which sizes we just loaded, and we do that per-monitor size.  So we end up trying to pull a value from a null monitor array22:22
ricotzhello, could someone sponsor this? http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/nm/network-manager_0.9.2.0+git201202161854.8572ecf-0ubuntu3.debdiff22:23
ricotzcyphermox, ^22:23
kenvandinein the trace on the bug report i saw something that listed 3840x108022:23
mterryI think I see it...22:23
cyphermoxricotz: I'll look soon22:24
cyphermoxalready working on it22:24
ricotzcyphermox, i already test-built it22:24
kenvandinemterry, i'd be happy to test a patch22:25
ricotzcyphermox, ok, thanks22:25
cyphermoxricotz: what do you need this for?22:29
cyphermoxjust curious, it's obviously needed22:29
ricotzbut it also breaks the internal header deps22:29
ricotz(meaning everything which is using nm-types.h breaks)22:30
mterrykenvandine, I was able to reproduce on my own actually, after adjusting test-mode to use two monitors of the same size.  That was the trigger.  So I'm confident I got it.  I'll distro-patch it22:30
cyphermoxricotz: yeah, I ran into that issue with nm-applet too22:36
kenvandinemterry, it would be good to add a multi-monitor option to test mode to test these things22:37
cyphermoxricotz: so I'll take my changelog and my changes, but I'll frankenstein in your name so you get the credits, since you were already done22:37
cyphermoxbrb; gotta run some errands22:37
mterrykenvandine, it has a multi-monitor option in trunk.  but the fake monitors are different sizes... so didn't catch this.  :)22:37
mterrykenvandine, thanks a bunch for your help!  confirming your monitor list was accurate was helpful22:39
kenvandinemterry, any time22:40
ricotzcyphermox, thanks!22:44

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