[00:22] <RAOF> Argh!  Why is compiz claiming <Alt>+<right>? for alt-tab?
[00:23] <RAOF> *Sometimes* ?
[00:30] <TheMuso> RAOF: I am having other funky keybinding issues in conjunction with Orca.
[00:30] <TheMuso> So I think there may be keybinding issues with recent compizz.
[00:31] <RAOF> I think this might have to do with the recent keybindings rework. :)
[00:31] <TheMuso> RAOF: Indeed.
[00:31] <TheMuso> I've just filed a bug for my issue.
[00:51] <RAOF> Huh.  It seems that the *second* keypress works - <Alt><left> is swallowed, but <Alt><left>, <Alt><left> goes back a page in Chromium.
[00:52] <RAOF> Heh.  And if you <Alt><left>, <Alt><right> Tomboy actually gets the <Alt><right>!  Workaround!
[01:28]  * RAOF kills compiz again to get his keyboard back.
[01:29] <RAOF> …and again.
[02:25] <RAOF> @pilot out
[05:47] <pitti> Good morning
[05:48] <pitti> dobey: we don't have many languages any more; English, Simplified Chinese (for China), Spanish, Portugese
[05:49] <pitti> all others already became a victim of adding the 25th runtime/language on the CD
[06:00] <DBO> RAOF, sorry, had to reject your branch
[06:01] <RAOF> DBO: The pointer-barrier thing?  Yeah, after using it for a while it turns out that having the barrier both ways *is* better ;)
[06:02] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: are you running unity-team ppa for compiz?
[06:02] <RAOF> jasoncwarner_: Yes, I think so.
[06:02] <RAOF> Oh, actually no.
[06:02] <DBO> jasoncwarner_, I am
[06:03] <DBO> if you are referencing evil things from the super key-presses, we know
[06:03] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: thumper just told me that the compiz there has some serious key grabbing issues...so if you are, that could be a problem
[06:03] <jasoncwarner_> DBO: yeah, thumper just walked me through it...
[06:03] <RAOF> I *am* running unity-team PPA for unity, though.
[06:03] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: I think you would have the compiz as well then, no?
[06:04] <jasoncwarner_> DBO: thanks, yo...sounds like that one is going to be a fun one to look into ;)
[06:04] <RAOF> 1:0.9.7.0~bzr2995-0ubuntu3 is the version of compiz I have; it's from the main archive.
[06:04] <RAOF> I also have fun keygrabbing issues; is it possible that the compiz with that issue is in the main archive, rather than the PPA?
[06:04] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: yeah, me too Installed: 1:0.9.7.0~bzr2995-0ubuntu3
[06:04] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: I'm pretty sure that is unity-team ppa (didrocks can confirm, though)
[06:04] <DBO> RAOF, what keygrabbing issues are you seeing?
[06:05] <RAOF> DBO: <Alt><right> brings up alt-tab switcher, <Alt><left> doesn't work, but <Alt><left><left> does.
[06:05] <RAOF> Similarly, <Super><space> doesn't summon Do; <Super><space><space> does.
 works for <Alt><right>
[06:06] <DBO> alt right?
[06:06] <RAOF> Basically, it seems that unity is eating the first keypress of any modifier-using chord.
[06:07] <DBO> RAOF, how could we be doing that?
[06:07] <RAOF> DBO: For getting dot points in Tomboy, for example, or for forward in Chromium.
[06:07] <DBO> super space isn't even us
[06:07] <pitti> dobey: oh, there's one other thing: if we can drop python3 from the default install again, we'd reclaim some 5 MB :)
[06:07] <RAOF> DBO: No, but you *could* be eating everything with a <Super> attached, again.  You've got a passive grab on both <Super> and <Alt> now, right?
[06:07] <DBO> RAOF, also we got unity running in LLVM pipe
[06:08] <RAOF> Except now you're only eating the first keypress rather than all of them :)
[06:08] <DBO> RAOF, nothing in archive should have changed that
[06:09] <DBO> RAOF, LLVMpipe unity is quite fast
[06:09] <RAOF> There is no newer compiz in the unity-team PPA, at least as far as I can see.
[06:09] <RAOF> DBO: Yeah, LLVMpipe is pretty good.  I'd be interested to see how it fares on less-than-awesome CPUs; ARM would be a nice test :)
[06:11] <DBO> RAOF, works fine on a mini-9
[06:11] <RAOF> That's pretty impressive.
[06:11] <DBO> yeah
[06:11] <DBO> its not *as* fast
[06:11] <DBO> but its livable
[06:12] <RAOF> Slowish when trying to render a blurred alt-tab over video, I'd wager, but otherwise fine?
[06:12] <DBO> yes
[06:12] <DBO> llvm-pipe should disable blurs
[06:12] <DBO> otherwise it is plenty fast
[06:12] <RAOF> It just required you to swapbuffers on each damage event?
[06:12] <DBO> yes
[06:12] <RAOF> slash frame?
[06:12] <DBO> yes
[06:13] <DBO> which we cna do from the unity plugin itself
[06:13] <DBO> so, as far as Unity is concerned
[06:13] <DBO> we run on everything now
[06:13] <RAOF> Props.
[06:14] <RAOF> Now to get didrocks to try that barrier stuff :)
[06:15] <RAOF> Hey!  Why don't I have software-center installed?
[06:18] <RAOF> DBO: The patch for https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz-core/+bug/925293 was in 1:0.9.7.0~bzr2995-0ubuntu2, which is in the archive.  Is that the thing causing modifiers to go mad?
[06:18] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 925293 in compiz-core "Plugins can't tell the difference between a modifier key-tap, and a modifier key-release (after being used to modify other keys)" [High,Fix committed]
[06:19] <didrocks> good morning
[06:19] <RAOF> Yo didrocks!
[06:19] <didrocks> hey RAOF
[06:19] <DBO> RAOF, yeah thats the one
[06:19] <DBO> okay
[06:19] <didrocks> modifier going mad?
[06:20] <pitti> hey didrocks
[06:20] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti
[06:20] <RAOF> didrocks: Press <Alt><Right> :)
[06:20] <pitti> RAOF, DBO: oh, are you talking about the problem that I can't type "B" any more?
[06:20] <didrocks> RAOF: works here, weechat changes my channel
[06:20] <RAOF> Alternatively, try to go back a page in firefox by pressing <alt><left>
[06:20] <pitti> (I have a Ctrl+B keybinding assigned which is broken now, and then couldn't type B without modifier)
[06:20] <didrocks> works too
[06:21] <RAOF> didrocks: What's your compiz?
[06:21] <didrocks> RAOF: well, the latest I pushed to the archive
[06:21] <didrocks> ubuntu3
[06:21] <RAOF> Hm, odd.
[06:22] <didrocks> RAOF: pitti: do you have other examples of broken keys?
[06:22]  * didrocks already reverted one patch yesterday from -0ubuntu2, so I can revert another one :(
[06:22] <RAOF> didrocks: Anything using <Alt> or <Super>.  The first keypress is ignored  (or does something weird), the second and subsequent has the normal effect.
[06:23] <RAOF> So I *can* go back a page in Chromium by hitting <Alt><left><left>, but <Alt><left> does nothing.
[06:23] <DBO> pitti, yeah
[06:23] <DBO> pitti, seems to be the patch to compiz that got backported into distro
[06:23] <RAOF> Also, <Super><space> no longer summons Do; <Super><space><space> does.
[06:23] <didrocks> grrr, I don't understand, it works here…
[06:23] <RAOF> The bane of the developer!
[06:24] <didrocks> ok, anyway, if there is a patch causing that, it can only be this one from the current set
[06:24] <didrocks> hum
[06:24] <didrocks> no, there is maybe the keybinding one as well
[06:25] <pitti> anyway, that patch doesn't seem to have helped here to repair broken key bindings, only made it worse :/
[06:25] <didrocks> pitti: it's not that one
[06:25] <pitti> or putting windows into the background is generally broken now
[06:25] <didrocks> pitti: it's another one which repairs the keybinding
[06:25] <didrocks> pitti: so, open ccsm
[06:25] <didrocks> pitti: viewport
[06:25] <didrocks> switch to viewport
[06:25] <didrocks> then assign a keybinding
[06:25] <didrocks> -> this should work
[06:26] <pitti> hm, my broken key is with window management
[06:26] <pitti> (which are in control-center)
[06:27] <pitti> I don't see a key for "put into background" in ccsm, but I'll keep lokoing
[06:27] <didrocks> pitti: hum, I'm really not sure about this one though
[06:27] <didrocks> is the viewport keybinding working?
[06:27] <pitti> that is, switch between virtual desktops?
[06:27] <pitti> yes, that never broke
[06:27] <didrocks> (people were complaining about this one for keybindings
[06:28] <didrocks> it was broken
[06:28] <pitti> in fact, all of the Alt+F5, Alt+F10, Strg+Alt+Cursor etc. kept working all the time for me
[06:28] <pitti> except my Ctrl+B to put window into the background
[06:28] <didrocks> pitti: directly switching to a viewport
[06:28] <pitti> but I guess I ought to file a bug about it
[06:28] <pitti> didrocks: ah, let me try
[06:28] <didrocks> viewport switcher -> go to specific viewport
[06:28] <didrocks> people were complaining about those
[06:28] <didrocks> and this is what was fixed by the patch
[06:29] <pitti> doesn't work when I set it in control-center
[06:29] <didrocks> alt + r just for testing and it works
[06:29] <pitti> hm, how do I specify in ccsm?
1 ? or a different syntax?
[06:30] <pitti> oh, nevermind; it's a confusing UI, found it
[06:30] <didrocks> pitti: you can ask for capturing your key combination
[06:30] <pitti> doesn't work there either
[06:30] <didrocks> ?
[06:30]  * didrocks doesn't understand
[06:30] <pitti> it says <Primary><Alt>1  (and 2)
[06:30] <didrocks> doesn't undertand at all
[06:30] <pitti> but it doesn't actually act
[06:30] <didrocks> pitti: try anything without ctrll
[06:31] <didrocks> ctrl is written as "primary", that doesn't seem right
[06:31] <pitti> tried <alt>1 / 2, works
[06:31] <didrocks> ah
[06:31] <didrocks> can you try the same for switching windows in the backcgorund?
[06:31] <pitti> this also works in control-center
[06:31] <didrocks> not using ctrl
[06:32] <didrocks> yeah, I ensured the g-c-c integration worked
[06:32] <pitti> ooh
[06:32] <pitti> that works
[06:32] <pitti> nice, I have that key back!
[06:32] <pitti> so it's "just" control which is broken?
[06:32] <didrocks> ok, so it's another issue
[06:32] <didrocks> yeah, control seems to be mapped as "primary"
[06:32] <didrocks> and no more "ctrl"
[06:33]  * pitti goes back to configuring his screen layout the normal way, having good IRC again
[06:33] <pitti> *happy*
[06:33] <didrocks> I'm puzzled, nothing changed in ccsm, and no big changes in ibcompizconfig
[06:33] <pitti> new GTK?
[06:33] <didrocks> yeah, possibly :/
[06:33] <didrocks> so, there is this bug
[06:33] <didrocks> now, on the key tap not working
[06:33] <DBO> didrocks, gtk changed control to primary...
[06:33] <didrocks> I would really like to reproduce them
[06:33] <didrocks> DBO: oh?
[06:33] <didrocks> so yeah, there is a mismatch somewhere now
[06:34] <didrocks> ok, keybinding works - this primary that we should track
[06:34] <didrocks> on the tapping now, you all have it?
[06:34]  * didrocks ties alt + left in weechat, chromium, always work, even the first time
[06:35] <didrocks> RAOF: as you have the issue, can you do a build for me?
[06:35] <RAOF> didrocks: Certainly.
[06:35] <RAOF> Hah.  *Yet another* person confused by <Primary>
[06:36] <didrocks> RAOF: lp:compiz, comment fix_925293.patch in debian/patches/series
[06:36] <RAOF> pitti, didrocks: GTK (both 3 *and* 2) now map <Ctrl> to <Primary>.  For some reason that I've not bothered to explore fully, except to bitch about.
[06:37] <didrocks> RAOF: interesting, so compiz is still waiting for Ctrl, but ccsm, because of gtk is setting it to <Primary> fo you :/
[06:39] <RAOF> didrocks: Yeah.  Compiz (like apparently everything else which deals with keybindings) needs to deal with that.  http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=7f5733b454e26c882d4e707b57cd03b104f57dd2 is how g-c-c handled it.
[06:39] <didrocks> RAOF: oh, thanks for the pointer!
[06:39] <RAOF> Or possibly ccsm.
[06:39] <didrocks> yeah
[06:39] <RAOF> Also, don't write a check like that :)
[06:40] <didrocks> hum, there seem that there is a key control check
[06:40] <didrocks> It doesn't like me to edit directly in ccsm
[06:40]  * didrocks tries in gconf
[06:41] <didrocks> pitti: ok, Martin
[06:41] <didrocks> pitti: in gconf-editor
[06:41] <didrocks> pitti: you can edit your keybindings
[06:41] <didrocks> for intance
1
[06:42] <didrocks> that works
[06:42] <didrocks> /apps/compiz-1/plugins/<pluging_name>/screen0/options
[06:42] <didrocks> it's clearly due to ccsm + new gtk
[06:43] <didrocks> phew, so the keybinding fix works, just need a little bit help of ccsm side
[06:43]  * didrocks started to think he will at the end revert all the patches we had
[06:46] <pitti> didrocks: hm, is that really a ccsm problem? I only touched that in g-c-c
[06:46] <pitti> didrocks: anyway, I'll keep Alt+B for now
[06:46] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, I'm looking about this, it's weird
[06:46] <pitti> didrocks: in fact, that's what I had for a very long time until the menus grabbed them
[06:47] <pitti> but now the window handling keybinding seems to trump a menu with 'B', so that's fine for me ;)
[06:50] <didrocks> ok
[06:50] <didrocks> so g-c-c
[06:50] <didrocks> still uses the keybinding integration
[06:50] <didrocks> but store <Primary>
[06:50] <didrocks> in gconf
[06:51] <didrocks> and show Control in the ui
[06:51] <didrocks> at least, it all make sense
[06:51] <didrocks> I think the easier way is in compiz making Primary == Control, otherwise, it's patching g-c-c, ccsm…
[06:52] <pitti> I still wonder if that is a Gtk bug
[06:52] <pitti> that seems like a rather pointless change
[06:52] <didrocks> yeah, maybe better to wait for desrt on that one
[06:53] <didrocks> RAOF: still building? :)
[06:54] <RAOF> Yes
[06:56]  * RAOF heads out to the movies; I'll test once I get back.
[07:02] <didrocks> ok, thanks RAOF :)
[07:32] <tkamppeter> pitti, hi
[07:33] <pitti> hey tkamppeter
[07:34] <tkamppeter> pitti, perhaps you know that Dwe have agreed on a printer driver packaging policy with Debian, where one part is to name the packages printer-driver-...
[07:34] <pitti> tkamppeter: yes
[07:34] <pitti> tkamppeter: and it seems we have most of that already
[07:34] <pitti> I updated the seeds along
[07:35] <tkamppeter> pitti, due to this, all the printer driver packages are renamed now and the ubuntu-meta seeds are pulling the transitional packages.
[07:35] <tkamppeter> pitti, there are two possibilities to correct this:
[07:35] <pitti> tkamppeter: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+changelog :)
[07:35] <pitti> tkamppeter: I might have missed some, but most are updated
[07:35] <pitti> c2esp already got renamed easlier
[07:35] <pitti> in 1.258
[07:37] <tkamppeter> pitti, fine, but perhaps we can go a more Debian-conforming way to include Debian's meta package printing-metas (source)/printer--drivers-all(binary). This is a meta package not installing any files, so no problem to introduce after FF.
[07:37] <pitti> tkamppeter: as long as it doesn't pull in a ton of extra packages, or universe ones, sure
[07:43] <tkamppeter> pitti, it pulls printer-driver-escpr and c2050 from Universe.
[07:44] <tkamppeter> pitti, we could MIR the two, use printing-metas with these two patched out, or not use printing-metas, WDYT?
[07:46] <pitti> tkamppeter: they are both tiny, so if they work and are well maintained, a MIR seems fine
[07:47] <tkamppeter> pitti, is m2300w -> printer-driver-m2300w covered? I do not see this one.
[07:47] <pitti> we don't currently install this at all by default
[07:47] <tkamppeter> pitti, printer-driver-escpr is well maintained and probably already widely used under Ubuntu because it is also available as OpenPrinting auto download.
[07:47] <pitti> supported-misc-servers: * m2300w  # Driver for the Minolta magicolor 2300W/24000W color laser printers
[07:48] <pitti> I'll update that
[07:48] <pitti> done
[07:49] <tkamppeter> pitti, does m2300w get installed with the standard installation, as all the others?
[07:49] <pitti> no
[07:51] <tkamppeter> pitti, can we install it? The printers covered by m2300w should get equally treated as printers supported by other drivers.
[07:51] <pitti> it's quite big (0.5 MB)
[07:51] <pitti> so, as long as our CDs are horribly oversized, I'd veto any new major additions
[07:52] <pitti> tkamppeter: I wish we could install printer drivers on demand instead of having to ship them all by default
[07:52] <pitti> sounds like a nice UDS topic
[07:52] <pitti> we have a nice system using a PackageKit API for this now
[07:52] <pitti> so we could introduce this in an upstream friendly way
[07:52] <pitti> (i. e. not a pure jockey solution)
[07:53] <tkamppeter> pitti, printing-metas would pull this one, too.
[07:57] <tkamppeter> pitti, c2050 is for one very old Lexmark inkjet, discontinued ~10 years ago, driver for only 300 dpi color, probably made by a student to get his printer working and that's it. package continued to be maintained by Debian (only packaging and perhaps bug fixes) and auto-synced into Ubuntu ...
[07:57] <pitti> so that one doesn't seem very urgent then
[07:58] <tkamppeter> pitti, I would only promote this to main to be able to sync printing-metas from Debian. I by myself even did not work on this package because the expected user community is extremely small.
[08:03] <pitti> Sweetshark: nice @ bug 900636; do you know whether the patches will be in the pending upload?
[08:03] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 900636 in libreoffice "libreoffice ftbfs on armhf" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/900636
[08:21] <tkamppeter> pitti, so how should we treat the printer driver seeding then? Simply as before, via ubuntu-meta?
[08:38] <pitti> tkamppeter: for now this works, so there's no urgency here
[08:40] <tkamppeter> pitti, OK, and the next one will perhaps download all drivers ...
[08:44] <tkamppeter> pitti, do you have any idea about bug 933973? Especially it seems to work under Debian but not under Ubuntu, though CUPS packages are identical under Debian and Ubuntu.
[08:44] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 933973 in cups "Cups and related packages will not install without error in chroot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/933973
[08:56] <seb128> hey
[08:58] <BigW> Greetings
[08:59] <BigW> Is there a way to reinstall all the ubuntu-desktop packages?
[08:59] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson,  hey, did you see that t-bird is busted today?
[08:59] <BigW> I broke something
[08:59] <BigW> :>
[08:59] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[08:59] <pitti> tkamppeter: the main difference is init.d vs. upstart
[08:59] <seb128> hey pitti, how are you?
[09:00] <seb128> rickspencer3, seems it's not? or only if you activate non standard extensions?
[09:00] <pitti> seb128: quite fine indeed; was quite happy to see this morning that precise_probs.html was beer-y and everything seems to be in good shape :)
[09:00] <rickspencer3> seb128, well, I don't have non-standard extensions
[09:00] <davidcalle> Hi seb128
[09:00] <rickspencer3> it opens for me, but doesn't load any mailboxes or anything
[09:01] <seb128> rickspencer3, ok, dunno then, works for me ;-) dholbach and micahg just discussed known problem on #ubuntu-devel but that's due to extensions
[09:01] <seb128> hey davidcalle
[09:01] <seb128> pitti, great!
[09:01] <pitti> tkamppeter: there are no logs there, but I suppose it falls over when upstart is not running in the chroot; not sure whether jhunt knows a general solution to this
[09:03] <rickspencer3> seb128, chrisccoulson I can still watch Taylor Swift videos, so we'll be okay for now
[09:03] <seb128> rickspencer3, it's only 9pm in the uk, wait for chrisccoulson to get coffee ;-)
[09:03] <chrisccoulson> hi!
[09:03] <tkamppeter> pitti, can you assign the bug to the right upstart-in-chroot expert? Thanks.
[09:03] <rickspencer3> lol
[09:04] <rickspencer3> hey chrisccoulson, I'm logging a bug now
[09:04] <chrisccoulson> the bug is a missing file in the package. it would have been trivial for somebody to fix before i signed on this morning, rather than spending efforts discussing workarounds :)
[09:04] <davidcalle> seb128, I would need a very tiny amount of cd space, for the video lens + scope.
[09:05] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, oh, someone discussed workaround?
[09:05] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, what should I do?
[09:05] <rickspencer3> just wait?
[09:06] <chrisccoulson> rickspencer3, you can start it in safe mode (thunderbird -safe-mode)
[09:06]  * rickspencer3 cancels bug report
[09:07] <pitti> tkamppeter: it could also be that it fails in post-start, and it needs to be more resilient to cupsd not running
[09:07] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, thanks
[09:08] <rickspencer3> as always, you demonstrated awesomeness all around
[09:08] <rickspencer3> :)
[09:08] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[09:08] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti
[09:08] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[09:08] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[09:09] <pitti> chrisccoulson: quite fine, thanks!
[09:09] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128
[09:20] <seb128> pitti, btw the compiz merge request you reopen, the update is sitting in the oneiric sru queue for a week so technically it's merged ;-)
[09:20] <seb128> (I was just waiting on the autoimporter, I didn't bother actually using the vcs)
[09:20] <seb128> pitti, I'm closing it again
[09:20] <pitti> seb128: oh, I see; sorry
[09:21] <pitti> need to find some time to process SRUs
[09:22] <seb128> pitti, no worry
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> pitti - hmmm, any chance you could kill the thunderbird builds?
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> it's not actually enough to automatically recover from the problem that people are seeing
[09:28] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I can't
[09:29] <pitti> chrisccoulson: best to ask in teh IS channel
[09:29] <pitti> there is no interface for that aside from ssh'ing in as root and rm -r'ing the build tree, then let it die
[09:29] <rye> hi chrisccoulson, is thunderbird issue you are discussing related to all panels turning blank with no content?
[09:30] <rye> as in this - http://ubuntuone.com/2InpyFE2dUNV11zWijd7Ie ?
[09:31] <micahg> rye: bug 933951
[09:31] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 933951 in thunderbird "Messaging menu extension interacts badly with lightning in precise making thunderbird unusable" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/933951
[09:31] <micahg> not fixed, but workaround in there
[09:32] <chrisccoulson> it's trivially fixable. it would have been better to fix it earlier rather than talk about workarounds and assign it to me when i'm still asleep ;)
[09:32] <rye> micahg, thank you! could not find the bug in lp, sorry
[09:32] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I had no idea what was causing it, if I did, I would've :)
[09:42] <seb128> pitti, thanks for the sru round!
[09:42] <pitti> you're welcome
[09:46] <BigW> I figured how to reinstall ubuntu desktop
[10:01] <seb128> grrrrr
[10:01] <seb128> launchpad!
[10:03] <seb128> oops an error, wasted my bug description!
[10:05] <BigW> seb128, CTRL-A, CTRL-C before clicking submit ... I have this as a conditional reflex. :)
[10:05] <seb128> yeah
[10:05] <pitti> seb128: go back
[10:05] <pitti> in most of the cases going back a page keeps the contents
[10:05] <pitti> firefox is pretty good at that
[10:05] <seb128> pitti, not with launchpad ajax stuff
[10:05] <seb128> I got my title back
[10:05] <pitti> oh
[10:06] <seb128> but not the description :-(
[10:06] <pitti> I was quite surprised that when appending a bug comment, the pending input text is still there even after closing and reopening firefox
[10:15] <Sweetshark> pitti: bug 900636 patches will be in the next upload (although I think I will do a ppa upload without them first)
[10:15] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 900636 in libreoffice "libreoffice ftbfs on armhf" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/900636
[10:15] <pitti> Sweetshark: cool, thanks
[10:15] <pitti> Sweetshark: when do you plan to do this, BTW? we need to coordinate a bit with beta-1
[10:16] <pitti> and armel takes very long these days
[10:16] <pitti> although it should be faster now, the babbages are gone
[10:16] <Sweetshark> ppa upload today
[10:18] <Sweetshark> main upload, hmm, I would have prefered to put it on a clean debian version, but we could drop that and just go with the ppa-version plus armhf fix
[10:18] <pitti> PPA version is building out of the packaging git?
[10:19] <pitti> Sweetshark: I'm asking because this currently fails all the automatic upgrade tests, so it hides the other upgrade issues we need to fix
[10:20] <Sweetshark> where does it fail the automatic update tests? is that the unopkg issue again?
[10:25] <pitti> right
[10:25] <pitti> also, it's one of the major blockers for moving armhf to our default arm flavour and dropping armel
[10:26] <pitti> Sweetshark: sorry that you have the most important package in the archive :)
[10:29] <Sweetshark> pitti: stop flattering me ;)
[10:29]  * pitti sends a big ♥ to Sweetshark
[10:30]  * Sweetshark hugs pitti
[10:30] <pitti> Sweetshark: did you see http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lfcGEQRyaqI ?
[10:31] <pitti> (wrt. Valentine's day)
[10:31] <Sweetshark> pitti: How about you becoming the german president? the position is vacant again since 25 minutes ...
[10:31] <pitti> !
[10:31] <pitti> http://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2012-02/bundespraesident-wulff-ruecktritt
[10:31] <pitti> indeed
[10:31] <Sweetshark> pitti: yeah that guy is great.
[10:32] <Sweetshark> pitti: http://blog.fefe.de/?ts=b1c35008
[10:32] <pitti> Gauck FTW
[10:33] <pitti> We still need Schaeuble, and the others just won't be good
[10:34] <Sweetshark> CDU -- achivement unlocked: two failed presidents in a row.
[10:35] <chrisccoulson> oh, i thought you were joking when you said "the position is vacant again since 25 minutes", and then i just checked BBC News ;)
[10:36] <pitti> he had that coming
[10:37] <pitti> he didn't really do anything serious, it was just the sum of lots of small blunders
[10:37] <pitti> and it seems the media just wanted to see him go
[10:37] <pitti> not that I had ever liked him, but killing him like this was not really appropriate
[10:38] <pitti> it's just what you get when you make a politician president
[10:40] <Sweetshark> pitti: although the timing is suspicous -- forcing him to retreat when the rhineland is drunk for a week ...
[10:47] <RAOF> didrocks: Confirmed; dropping fix_925293.patch makes keybindings work as expected.
[10:48] <pitti> RAOF: enjoyed the movies?
[10:48] <RAOF> Yeah.
[10:48] <RAOF> Saw _The Artist_
[10:48] <didrocks> RAOF: yeah, someone pointed me to another reproducer which indeed worked here, so I already dropped and upoaded a little bit ealier, thanks for confirming! :)
[10:49] <RAOF> It's surprising how understandable a silent movie can be, even with so little text.
[10:49] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i'm pretty stuck with https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=694594 now. anyone got any bright ideas? :-)
[10:49] <ubot2`> Mozilla bug 694594 in JavaScript Engine "Crashes with gcc 4.4.3" [Critical,New: ]
[10:50] <pitti> seb128, didrocks: FYI, I'll be on vacation next Monday
[10:51] <seb128> pitti, ok
[10:51] <seb128> pitti, have fun! ;-)
[10:51] <pitti> going to enjoy Berlin for a few days
[10:52] <seb128> nice
[10:52] <pitti> will hit the train in two hours, and work offline over the afternoon
[10:52] <didrocks> pitti: oh enjoy :)
[10:52] <pitti> I'll have some time to continue on that power debugging script
[10:52] <pitti> seb128: I should be able to make the release meeting today
[10:57] <seb128> pitti, ok, great, I'm not sure I will be around to replace you today, I might call it a day earlier this afternoon
[10:57] <seb128> lol https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=670268
[10:57] <ubot2`> Gnome bug 670268 in shell "The "all settings" view should have a calculated geometry" [Enhancement,Resolved: duplicate]
[10:58] <pitti> ^ argh
[11:01] <seb128> go bastien go ;-)
[11:16] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i was just reading the comments on the duplicate bug too
[11:16] <chrisccoulson> this is funny: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=657560#c4 ;)
[11:16] <ubot2`> Gnome bug 657560 in shell "Overview visual improvements" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[11:16] <seb128> lol, yeah
[11:17] <seb128> comment #19...
[11:17] <chrisccoulson> seb128, oh, i was just looking at comment #14 too
[11:20] <seb128> pitti, should report['Title'] be availabe in an apport hook?
[11:20] <seb128> it gives me a key not found, not sure why
[11:21] <pitti> seb128: depends; for a crash it should, for a bug report not
[11:21] <pitti> as bug reports can't have default titles
[11:21] <seb128> pitti, it's a segfault
[11:21] <seb128> I run ubuntu-bug on the .crash
[11:21] <pitti> ah, sorry, no
[11:21] <pitti> hooks can set it
[11:22] <pitti> and if they don't, launchpad.py calls report.standard_title()
[11:22] <pitti> seb128: so if you want to know the default title, just call taht
[11:22] <seb128> pitti, can I call that myself? or hook after the call?
[11:22] <seb128> ok, thanks
[11:22] <seb128> pitti, I want to add [name_of_panel]: at the start of gnome-control-center bugs
[11:23] <seb128> like [dislay]: segfault in function()
[11:24] <pitti> seb128: so for future compatibility, probably best if you get it like
[11:24] <pitti> title = report.get('Title', report.standard_title())
[11:24] <pitti> title = [... mangle ...]
[11:24] <pitti> report['Title'] = title
[11:24] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[11:34] <jibel> seb128, do you know where unity-greeter read the names of  keyboard layouts to list in the indicator  ?
[11:35] <seb128> jibel, run d-feet in your user session
[11:35] <jibel> on the broken system the layout is "fr          oss" and on systems that work it is "fr oss"
[11:35] <seb128> jibel, connect to the system bus
[11:36] <seb128> go to org.freedesktop.Accounts
[11:36] <seb128> select your user on the right, unfold the first categories (.User) and find XKeyboardLayouts and double click on it
[11:37] <seb128> jibel, but I think it's basically "gsettings get org.gnome.libgnomekbd.keyboard layouts" as well
[11:37] <seb128> which gives me "['fr\toss']" here
[11:43] <seb128> pitti, I guess the apport summary dialog is being redesign with ev work? i.e I shouldn't bother sending a fix for the widget being like 15 pixel high?
[11:44] <seb128> pitti, thanks for the hint, my hook seems to work fine now!
[11:44] <pitti> seb128: nice!
[11:57] <Sweetshark> wooohoo! 3.5.0-1ubuntu1~ppa1 seems to run and look good.
[11:57]  * Sweetshark prepares for upload.
[12:00] <pitti> \o/
[12:15] <pitti> bye everyone, have a nice weekend! will get online later again for release meeting, but otherwise mostly work offline
[12:57] <chrisccoulson> bug 934085 is a really useful and well written bug report
[12:57] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 934085 in firefox "can't see video" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/934085
[13:07] <dixoncx> hey, i need help for empthy.. Is there any way for "google group chat" in empathy ? From where i will get "server" address for "google group chat" ?
[13:09] <dixoncx> hey...
[13:09] <dixoncx> anyone, pls help...
[13:33] <dobey> pitti: i was wondering about python3. it looks like lsb-release, lsb-languages, and lsb-core all depend on it though
[13:34] <dobey> i guess lsb-release is the problematic one there
[13:38] <seb128> dobey, it was a decision to get pythion3 installed by default I think
[13:38] <seb128> python3
[13:38] <seb128> dobey, it just happens that lsb uses it, but it's not there only because of it
[13:40] <dobey> seb128: perhaps, but if lsb-release requires it, then dropping is a bit more difficult than just discussing whether or not to have it installed by default
[13:40] <seb128> dobey, well, porting lsb back to python2 is probably trivial
[13:41] <seb128> dobey, but again "we want to change toolkit for our ui which is working" is hardly a reason to drop python3
[13:41] <seb128> we will like better to keep the gtk ui of control panel and python3
[13:41] <seb128> rather than drop python3 so we can switch the control panel to a toolkit which is different from everything else we use
[13:43] <dobey> regardless of whether we find space on the CD or not, i don't think "keep the gtk control panel" is going to happen
[13:43] <dobey> and it's not up to me, so i do not want to argue on that point
[13:43] <nessita> seb128: I know your feelings (and dobey's), but I think that an important reason is that we're no longer supporting the Gtk controlpanel, and perhaps that can be a reason to start a discussion (whatever that can be)
[13:45] <nessita> seb128: right, the decision of dropping support for the Gtk panel is not ours (devs), so there isn't much we can do. If we don't fit in the CD with Qt, we'll remove the controlpanel altogether leaving the installer only :-/ (which is another thing to maintain for us)
[13:45] <seb128> dobey, nessita: the gkt control panel is on the CD if nothing happen it will stay here for the lts, so I'm not sure about  the "not going to happen"
[13:46] <seb128> dobey, nessita: you are an upstream like another, we can decide to stay on the non maintain gtk panel as we decide to stay on GNOME 3.2 for some GNOME components
[13:46] <jbicha> oh yay, the ubuntu one installer conversation again...
[13:46] <seb128> jbicha, hey ;-)
[13:46] <jbicha> seb128: hi
[13:47] <dobey> seb128: the current gtk+ control panel is broken, and not getting fixed.
[13:47] <dobey> nessita: were you planning to drop the gtk package on the next release? or when?
[13:48] <nessita> seb128: sure, I know that. But I also know that part of the Ubuntu One branding is removing the Gtk contropanel and going with the Qt one, so I guess some more conversation will have to happen
[13:48] <nessita> dobey: I was waiting to see if the issue of room in the CD was resolved...
[13:48] <dobey> nessita: i think it's resolved to "there is none"
[13:48] <seb128> nessita, dobey: well we told you at UDS that the toolkit change was going to be an issue, you choosed to ignore that... there we are
[13:49] <dobey> seb128: i didn't ignore it. i knew it was going to be an issue. but it's not my call unfortunately :)
[13:49] <nessita> seb128: hey, we did not ignore. We added that info to the decision making layers, and they used it.
[13:49] <nessita> seb128: and they decided to go this route the same... there isn't much we /couldcan do
[13:49] <seb128> nessita, well your decision making layers knew there was a chance it would be an issue and decided to take it, there they are
[13:50] <seb128> nessita, dobey: it's nothing against you guys
[13:50] <seb128> we just knew there was a chance it would be problematic
[13:50] <nessita> seb128: right, I know
[13:50] <dobey> seb128: yes. i knew it was going to be problematic. though, with dropping mono as well, i wasn't expecting it to be *this* problematic :-/
[13:51] <nessita> dobey: regarding your question, since apparently we now have a definitive answer on the CD room, I guess we'll have to make that happen next release-week, no?
[13:51] <dobey> seb128: anyway, now we are simply looking for possible solutions to it.
[13:51] <seb128> dobey, nessita: I guess the best you have to do now is to open a bug explaining why we can't keep the gtk one and need to go with the qt one
[13:51] <seb128> then we need to figure what we want to do
[13:52] <seb128> I would argue than we can fix the gtk one if it has issues
[13:52] <seb128> it seems to work fine for me btw, not sure how it's broken for you
[13:53] <dobey> seb128: well one problem is that it suggests installing things we no longer support…
[13:53] <nessita> seb128: among other things, is broken because it does not present the info as how out latest branding guidelines require
[13:53] <dobey> seb128: and there are some bugs open that almost certainly won't be getting fixed
[13:54] <seb128> well, open a bug and state all the reasons we should change for
[13:54] <nessita> ack
[13:55] <seb128> I still think it's stupid to switch from our default toolkit to a different one, it's going to be the only application looking different for no reason and it's making CD space issues
[13:55] <dobey> we have 3 default toolkits
[13:55] <seb128> like I would like better to have tomboy on the CD than qt only to be able to switch toolkit in the u1 panel
[13:55] <dobey> actually, no; more than 3, but 3 major ones :)
[13:56] <dobey> qt is already on the CD. we just need some of the python bindings
[13:56] <seb128> dobey, we have no application using qt on the unity session so far
[13:56] <dobey> seb128: unity-2d is qt.
[13:56] <seb128> no even if it's technically on the CD we don't have any look mismatch
[13:56] <seb128> dobey, it's not unity and it's not an application
[13:56] <seb128> dobey, i.e it doesn't show as an look mismatch under unity 3d
[13:57] <chrisccoulson> right, i've got to pop out for a bit
[13:57] <chrisccoulson> going for our second scan :)
[13:57] <seb128> chrisccoulson, good luck!
[13:57] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[13:58] <didrocks> see you chrisccoulson
[13:58] <dobey> seb128: yes, well, technically our gtk control panel doesn't have a look consistent with the rest of the system, either.
[13:59] <seb128> dobey, let's stop that discussion, it's not very useful, as said I think the decision made there is stupid but it was neither yours or nessita's and not revelant to solving that issue
[13:59] <seb128> dobey, I just hate when obviously problematic decision are taken
[13:59] <seb128> and when it leads to the issue we said it would lead to
[13:59] <seb128> but shrug, it's the way it is
[14:00] <seb128> dobey, nessita: open a bug and dump into it all the reason why we need to switch
[14:00] <seb128> with an indication of the CD space you need
[14:00] <seb128> then we can work from there
[14:00] <seb128> we will have to make choices
[14:00] <seb128> we might need to drop something else if we feel the qt panel is more important
[14:00] <nessita> seb128: makes sense, thanks
[14:01] <nessita> I'll talk to the bosses so they can fill in all the reasoning
[14:02] <dobey> i guess we'll probably ned about 8M :-/
[14:40] <pitti> dobey: yes, but lsb-release can be reverted in a matter of seconds; it was only switched to python3 to get py3 into the default install, hoping that more projects would pick it up
[14:41] <pitti> but yes, it's trading one more runtime against another
[14:42] <pitti> seb128: well, I'd not keep the gtk control panel in our LTS against the U1 team's will
[14:42] <pitti> it's one of the components which almost certainly needs updating throughout precise's lifetime, so we need upstream support
[14:42] <seb128> pitti, right, well pyqt is 8mb it seems
[14:43] <pitti> I do share your avesion against introducing the n+1st toolkit, of course
[14:43] <pitti> if anythin we need to drop more
[14:43] <pitti> seb128: right now it's 13
[14:43] <seb128> pitti, I was rather complaining about the decision to change toolkit to bring yet another set of binding where the toolkit used was working fine
[14:43] <seb128> but *shrug*
[14:43] <pitti> it can certainly be split, though, I think dobey mentioned that someone's working on that?
[14:43] <pitti> seb128: yes, +1
[14:43] <seb128> pitti, well seems he said it was going to be about 8mb
[14:43] <seb128> which is better than 13mb
[14:44] <seb128> but still not small
[14:44] <pitti> right, and again just for one program
[14:44] <pitti> so, the installer option would make more sense than in oneiric
[14:44] <pitti> there it was working well, gtk was supported, and the gtk one was trivial in size
[14:45] <dobey> well it's 8MB between pyqt itself, the couple of other libqt4-foo packages, and sso and control-panel qt packages
[14:46] <pitti> is the installer written in Qt? or python/gtk?
[14:46] <pitti> if it's pyqt, it would be no better, of course
[14:55]  * pitti offline again until release meeting
[15:05] <dobey> pitti: installer is already on the CD. it's pygi for now and always has been :)
[15:10] <seb128> ok, I'm away for some hours, will be back later for a bit
[15:10] <seb128> have a good w.e if I don't see you
[15:12] <didrocks> see you seb128
[15:43] <Daviey> infinity: You asked for a ping today, right? :)
[16:07] <pitti> didrocks: FYI, retrying unity armel build, previously failed due to libnux arch desync
[16:22] <asac> gnome-session conflicts unity-2d and vice-versa
[16:22] <asac> in precise
[16:22] <asac> guess thats because of a recent upload?
[16:23] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/846031/
[16:26] <asac> didrocks: ?
[16:26] <asac> whats more important of those two?
[16:27] <asac> when will we get ubuntu-session :)?
[16:27] <asac> or unity-session
[16:30] <kenvandine> asac, looks like unity-2d FTBFS
[16:31] <asac> kk
[16:31] <asac> kenvandine: who is on it? would like to complete my precise upgrade before rebooting :)
[16:31] <kenvandine> not sure, i just noticed when you pointed it out :)
[16:32] <kenvandine> looks like maybe nux wasn't published yet, /me looks closer
[16:32] <asac> cool.
[16:32] <asac> guess having hte idea to upgrade during feature freeze rush wasnt the smartest :)
[16:35] <kenvandine> asac, ok, i restarted the builds
[16:36] <kenvandine> looks like it just got caught in the middle of publishing
[16:39] <kenvandine> asac, the builds are succeeding now, but they are going to NEW
[16:39] <kenvandine> so will be a bit
[16:45] <asac> kenvandine: rock on... is it unity-2d?
[16:45] <asac> or nbux?
[16:45] <kenvandine> unity-2d
[16:48] <Riddell> pitti: what is the language pack refresh and why does it make things smaller?
[16:48] <pitti> Riddell: so, there is language-pack-XX-base with the full set
[16:48] <pitti> Riddell: and language-pack-XX with updates since the last -base refresh
[16:49] <pitti> so these update packages keep growing until we refresh them
[16:49] <pitti> and during these times (new gnome/kde upstream releases etc.) they grow quickly
[16:50] <Riddell> oh that'll be nice to have
[16:50] <Riddell> kubuntu gained loads of space by splitting out amarok help docs in other languages so there's probably other cases where that can be done for us
[16:50] <kenvandine> is unity-greeter working for anyone with multiple monitors?
[16:53] <dobey> kenvandine: i've seen at least one report of it crashing today
[16:54] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:54] <kenvandine> it is crashing for me too
[16:54] <dobey> pitti: looks like the old ubuntu-sso-client is still on CD, probably because the new binaries got held back yesterday, due to an issue seb found
[16:54] <kenvandine> i think it was r294 from robert_ancell
[16:54] <pitti> dobey: ah, I remember
[16:54] <kenvandine> but it is  a big change, specifically for handling multiple monitors
[16:54] <dobey> nessita: did you get seb's issue fixed/uploaded btw?
[16:54] <pitti> dobey: I binNEWed them this morning, probably after today's CD image cronjob
[16:55] <dobey> pitti: ah, ok
[16:55] <pitti> dobey: so they should just fall off tomorrow
[16:55] <nessita> dobey: nopes, I'm finishing the tests
[16:55] <kenvandine> it would be nice if lightdm would fallback to another greeter if unity-greeter crashes
[16:55] <nessita> dobey: shall I hurry that?
[16:55] <dobey> nessita: please
[16:55] <nessita> dobey: shall I upload the patch without the tests? I have it working and IRL tested on a french VM
[16:56] <dobey> nessita: does it affect the tests that we install now?
[16:57] <nessita> dobey: it modifies it, yes, but does not change the class that is being used from the controlpanel test suite
[16:58] <dobey> nessita: i think it's probably safe to omit the test changes in the patch then, so we get it uploaded and it's not breaking for everyone.
[16:58] <nessita> ok, will do that
[16:59] <dobey> thanks
[16:59] <dobey> especially important since pitti did the binNEW this morning :)
[16:59] <nessita> oh uh
[16:59] <pitti> was I not supposed to?
[16:59] <nessita> no problem
[16:59] <nessita> will that asap
[16:59] <pitti> there was a ton of stuff caught there, I wanted to catch up a little
[17:00] <nessita> pitti: well, seb found a problem with unicode that we had for ages but was masqueraded
[17:00] <nessita> pitti: I have the fix, will upload ASAP
[17:00] <dobey> pitti: it's ok. nessita will upload a fix shortly
[17:00] <kenvandine> bug 934040
[17:00] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 934040 in unity-greeter "unity-greeter crashed with SIGSEGV in background_loader_load()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/934040
[17:00] <pitti> thanks
[17:01] <kenvandine> i wonder where mterry is
[17:01] <pitti> at least that one won't be caught then
[17:01] <dobey> pitti: seb was holding them because of the unicode issue :)
[17:01] <kenvandine> it is crashing loading the background on multiple monitors
[17:16] <didrocks> pitti: thanks (sorry was on a call). I'm looking at them
[17:17] <didrocks> asac: yeah, but once unity-2d will be published, it will be fine
[17:17] <didrocks> asac: needing a newing on unity-2d indeed
[17:17] <didrocks> pitti: ^
[17:17] <didrocks> if around
[17:17] <didrocks> sorry was on a meeting :)
[17:18] <pitti> didrocks: meeting> me too, and then off
[17:18] <pitti> didrocks: no worries, it was just a FYI that you can ignore the armel unity-2d failure (at least the first mail you get)
[17:19] <didrocks> yeah, I have the tab opened as I'm used to the arch mismatched :p
[17:19] <didrocks> pitti: if you can just binNEW unity-2d, that would help everyone upgrading https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue
[17:19] <didrocks> just a transition from (unity-2d-launcher, unity-2d-places) -> unity-2d-shell
[17:20]  * pitti patiently waits for the LP page to load through his shoelace/yoghurt can 2G connection
[17:22] <didrocks> pitti: urgh, you are on a 2G connexion?
[17:22] <didrocks> pitti: sorry didn't want to bother you
[17:22] <didrocks> pitti: I can annoy someone else, don't bother ;)
[17:22] <pitti> didrocks: done
[17:23] <pitti> didrocks: no worries
[17:23] <didrocks> pitti: thanks a lot, sorry again, didn't realize :)
[17:23] <pitti> didrocks: yes, on a train en route to Berlin
[17:23] <pitti> release meeting happening now
[17:23] <pitti> didrocks: de rien :) not your fault
[17:23] <didrocks> pitti: I think you arrived at your destination already! still a long time remaining?
[17:23] <didrocks> thought*
[17:24] <pitti> didrocks: it's a 5:40 hour ride, ETA 1.5 hours
[17:24] <pitti> meeting finisheed, good night & happy weekend everyone!
[17:24] <didrocks> see you pitti! enjoy your week-end :)
[17:24]  * pitti hugs everyone
[17:24]  * didrocks hugs pitti back
[17:25] <pitti> didrocks: great work this week!
[17:25] <didrocks> merci pour le NEWing :)
[17:25] <didrocks> danke ;)
[17:26] <didrocks> asac: so, now that unity-2d is available, you should have a matching gnome-session and unity-2d :)
[17:26] <didrocks> asac: the double Breaks: was needed to ensure people won't land in an empty session
[17:33] <chrisccoulson> so, we're having another girl by the look of things
[17:33] <chrisccoulson> i'm going to be seriously outnumbered in this house!
[17:34] <kenvandine> haha
[17:34] <czajkowski> chrisccoulson: congrats
[17:34] <chrisccoulson> thanks :)
[17:34]  * czajkowski has no desktop or login on precise upgrades
[17:35] <czajkowski> I had no issues till two days ago on preicise :(
[17:35] <kenvandine> czajkowski, ufh
[17:35] <kenvandine> czajkowski, mulitple monitors?
[17:35] <czajkowski> have managed to tether phone and get to tty to ssh in so I can see if I can get this fixed
[17:35] <czajkowski> no go to login and it keeps saying I've no unity 2d see twitter.com/czajkowski for screen image
[17:36] <chrisccoulson> now time for me to get some last minute compiler debugging in before the weekend
[17:36] <chrisccoulson> fun times :)
[17:36] <kenvandine> on, you got a partial upgrade
[17:36] <kenvandine> czajkowski, any other sessions you could use?
[17:36] <czajkowski> kenvandine: would seem that way but every time I try and fix it it keeps giving me an unity 2d erorr saying broken packages
[17:37] <kenvandine> czajkowski, yeah not all the packages are published
[17:37] <czajkowski> going to keep trying over the weeknd to pull updates and see if something makes a difference
[17:37] <czajkowski> if not wiping and installing oneiric on sunday :(
[17:38] <kenvandine> nah
[17:38] <kenvandine> you'll be fine :)
[17:38] <kenvandine> unity-2d should be published soon
[17:38] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: fight back, fight back! We trust you :)
[17:38] <czajkowski> lol
[17:39] <czajkowski> kenvandine: hope so, it's been really good as I say till just this week and things just keep going a bit crazy,
[17:39] <czajkowski> :)
[17:39] <kenvandine> dist-upgrade can cause problems :)
[17:39] <didrocks> well, basically, you can be blind on upgrade, and then take care on dist-upgrade :)
[17:40]  * didrocks cracked the whip so many times on the french forum than now they don't do any more partial upgrades \o/
[17:43] <czajkowski> yeah but I do try to run  non released releases to report bugs, the power indicator one got fixed this morning
[17:43] <czajkowski> just habing no login working is a royal pita
[17:45] <kenvandine> yup
[17:45] <kenvandine> czajkowski, need to look really close at what is going to happen on a dist-upgrade before confirming it
[17:46] <czajkowski> kenvandine: indeed clearled missed the goning_to_remove_login :)
[17:46] <czajkowski> meh I've a terminal can at least be occupied on the train
[17:46] <czajkowski> not the end of the world either
[17:52] <didrocks> :)
[17:53] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: hum, it's your fault my upgrade it taking forever! thunderbird-dbg :p
[17:53] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: btw, we need to discuss on Monday, I still have the long long "a script is running…" at startup
[17:53] <didrocks> and have to press continue to get an ui
[17:53] <didrocks> (thunderbird takes 1 min to start here)
[17:54] <kenvandine> czajkowski, unity-2d-shell is now published
[17:55] <didrocks> kenvandine: can you tell me that everything is fine on upgrade ?
[17:55] <didrocks> kenvandine: just the unity-2d package transition (I tested on a machine from the ppa, seems ine)
[17:55] <kenvandine> maybe
[17:55] <didrocks> as it's was quite epic ;)
[17:55] <didrocks> it*
[17:55] <kenvandine> i'd have to also downgrade unity-greeter manually :/
[17:55] <didrocks> oh?
[17:55] <didrocks> kenvandine: dpkg-hold FTW
[17:55] <kenvandine> crashes on multi-monitor
[17:55] <kenvandine> oh
[17:55] <czajkowski> kenvandine: can I just install that
[17:55] <kenvandine> didn't know about that one :)
[17:56] <czajkowski> or should I wait for it to come down in the archive ?
[17:56] <kenvandine> czajkowski, dist-upgrade should get it
[17:56] <didrocks> kenvandine: I learnt about it because of an issue with the nvidia driver for me :)
[17:56] <kenvandine> i am on nvidia too
[17:56] <didrocks> yeah, my nvidia card seems to not be supported anymore :/
[17:56] <czajkowski> kenvandine: cheers will give it a bit
[17:56] <kenvandine> bummer
[17:56] <czajkowski> thanks
[17:56] <didrocks> kenvandine: so, you should be able to dpkg-hold
[17:56] <kenvandine> didrocks, it crashes trying to resize the wallpaper :/
[17:57] <czajkowski> kenvandine: oh got a new laptop too no more old tosh with odd errors any more
[17:57] <didrocks> then, apt-get upgrade
[17:57] <didrocks> kenvandine: I didn't get any issue on unity-greeter, but I guesss I didn't login with the new version
[18:00] <kenvandine> bug 934040
[18:00] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 934040 in unity-greeter "unity-greeter crashed with SIGSEGV in background_loader_load()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/934040
[18:00] <kenvandine> incase you reboot and hit it
[18:00]  * didrocks looks
[18:00] <kenvandine> humm
[18:01] <kenvandine> dist-upgrade still wants to remove unity-2d
[18:01] <didrocks> kenvandine: apt-cache policy unity-2d ?
[18:01] <kenvandine> apt-cache doesn't see it yet
[18:01] <kenvandine> rmadison does though
[18:01] <didrocks> oh?
[18:01] <kenvandine> so almost published :)
[18:01] <didrocks> not on the main archive?
[18:01] <didrocks> normally rmadison is _after_
[18:01] <kenvandine> yeah
[18:02] <kenvandine> main archive
[18:02] <didrocks> but I won't get against apt-cache policy :)
[18:05] <kenvandine> i'm not feeling well, taking a bit of a break
[18:05] <kenvandine> bbiab
[18:07] <didrocks> kenvandine: :( hope you will feel better soon!
[18:08] <asac> didrocks: kk. will check out
[18:11] <asac> seems i can get ^ubuntu-desktop again. great
[18:11] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, we should do a swap. i'll fix your thunderbird bug if you fix https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=694594 :-)
[18:11] <ubot2`> Mozilla bug 694594 in JavaScript Engine "Crashes with gcc 4.4.3" [Critical,New: ]
[18:12] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: ahah :)
[18:12] <didrocks> asac: so, it updated gnome-session and unity-2d?
[18:12] <chrisccoulson> i think this is a really excellent idea :)
[18:12] <asac> didrocks: well. one of them was removed i think
[18:12] <asac> including unity full
[18:13] <asac> did a dist-upgrade today and forced to continue
[18:13] <didrocks> ah you forced :)
[18:13] <asac> but ubuntu-desktop task installed properly now
[18:13] <asac> doing autoremove --purge now and then rebootin
[18:13] <asac> ok done
[18:13] <asac> rebooting ... see you later
[18:15] <asac> didrocks: seems i am back alive :) ... unity-2d works. and unity works too
[18:15] <asac> didrocks: i noticed that the lightdm settings icon (the wheel) has a black background
[18:16] <asac> so its a black box on the purple background with the silver setting wheel inside
[18:16] <didrocks> asac: yeah, noticed that as well this morning. we pinged robert about it
[18:16] <asac> didrocks: cool. so the sidebar is not hiding anymore when i full screen it
[18:17] <asac> guess that definitelyu fixes the issues with that bar staying hidden :)
[18:17] <didrocks> asac: indeed :p
[18:17] <didrocks> asac: more seriously, design decision
[18:17] <asac> wonder if the old behaviour is still wanted
[18:17] <asac> sure
[18:17] <asac> i felt it should have been there from the beginning
[18:17] <didrocks> we miss you! :)
[18:17] <asac> i basically had this layout on windows 10 years ago :) ... good that folks settled here
[18:18] <didrocks> heh
[18:18] <didrocks> asac: it was there
[18:18] <didrocks> asac: but in ccsm :)
[18:18] <asac> my innovations finally diffused into the brain of others
[18:18] <asac> great
[18:18] <asac> didrocks: guess this cannot be turned off again?
[18:19] <nessita> pitti, dobey: new ubuntu-sso-client_2.99.4-0ubuntu2 uploaded
[18:19] <asac> oh... alt-f10 is not avialable anymore to maximize :/
[18:19] <didrocks> asac: heh on the "innovations" ;)
[18:19] <didrocks> asac: it can be turned on
[18:19] <didrocks> but it's "autohide"
[18:19] <didrocks> not anymore intellihide
[18:19] <asac> oh :)
[18:19] <didrocks> in gnome-control-center -> background
[18:19] <asac> that would be cool
[18:19] <asac> well. let me use this not-hiding experience again
[18:20] <asac> since i wanted this in te beginning i guess i will get used to it
[18:20] <didrocks> asac: it's new, it's fresh, buy it! :)
[18:20] <czajkowski> kenvandine: oh it did arrive and yes I can now login and not get an error, but it still doesnt bring me to the desktop it seems to just go black and have a muse pointer.
[18:20] <didrocks> asac: indeed, and don't tell now that you preferred intellihide after all :p
[18:20] <asac> didrocks: i think... i think the bar could zoom out and become smaller and then when mousing over zoom in :)_
[18:20] <asac> but not disappear completely
[18:20] <asac> hehe
[18:21] <asac> didrocks: do we have four finger swipe to go to other desktops yet?
[18:21] <didrocks> asac: do you want some woobling effect? :)
[18:21] <didrocks> hum, not sure about one TBH, kind of too busy to test utouch :)
[18:21] <asac> kk
[18:21] <asac> didrocks: would multi-touch work on a thinkpad touchpad?
[18:21] <asac> x220?
[18:21] <asac> i have turned it off ... but would love to try
[18:22] <didrocks> I think I saw people using it
[18:22] <didrocks> so I assume…
[18:22] <asac> really ... hmm.
[18:22] <asac> ok i will enable it in bios and see whats hot in precise
[18:22] <didrocks> (latest rally)
[18:22] <asac> cu later :)
[18:25] <asac> didrocks: ok... didnt spot a multitouch feature yet... maybe that is not installed by default with ubuntu-desktop?
[18:26] <asac> ok i could install utouch it seems... if thats what i wnat
[18:26] <asac> is it?
[18:26]  * asac just goes for it
[18:26] <didrocks> asac: calm down, it's Friday evening! :)
[18:26] <asac> hehe
[18:26] <didrocks> asac: seems you are excited by precise so far ;)
[18:26] <asac> thats why i am on fire
[18:26] <asac> :)
[18:26] <asac> friday fire
[18:27] <didrocks> heh
[18:27] <asac> so utouch-compiz doesnt install
[18:27] <asac>  utouch-compiz : Depends: compiz-core-abiversion-20110703 but it is not installable
[18:27] <asac> guess thats old stuff
[18:27] <didrocks> oh
[18:28] <didrocks> not sure who is taking care about utouch-compiz
[18:28] <asac> do i need that?
[18:28] <asac> its in universe
[18:28] <asac> so i hope not
[18:28] <didrocks> asac: no, it's an empty placeholder IIRC
[18:28] <asac> good
[18:28] <didrocks> so shouldn't be what you want
[18:28] <asac> ok relogging and hoping
[18:30] <mterry> phew, I'm late, but I'm here!
[18:31] <asac> ok at least the "disable touchpad while typing" setting now seems to do the right thing... so i can keep it enabled for now ... but cant disover multitouch... wonder if there is a test app that shows me my touchpoints to see if it recognizes anything at all
[18:31] <asac> food etc.
[18:31] <asac> anyway... break
[18:31] <asac> but happy with precise so far...
[19:04] <pgraner> didrocks, I found what causes https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/932520 to happen
[19:04] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 932520 in unity-distro-priority "Maximzed windows on start up don't show full window" [High,Fix committed]
[19:04] <didrocks> pgraner: oh really?
[19:04] <didrocks> what about it?
[19:05] <pgraner> didrocks, if my launcher is set to "Smart" mode it happens
[19:05] <pgraner> didrocks, any other mode it works normally
[19:05] <pgraner> s/Smart/Hidden/
[19:05] <pgraner> sorry
[19:06] <didrocks> pgraner: interesting artefacts, can you comment on the bug? I'll reping the dx team about it
[19:06] <didrocks> so based on the STRUT you get it…
[19:06] <pgraner> didrocks, already did, let me know if you need anything else
[19:07] <didrocks> pgraner: will reping dx on monday on it, thanks for the notice :)
[19:07] <pgraner> didrocks, ack
[19:07] <czajkowski> kenvandine: whoo it's back to nomrla now
[19:12] <asac> didrocks: last support request for this weekend: can I change size of the displayed icons in the launcher bar? would really like to use "half of the size"
[19:12] <asac> on my 12"
[19:13] <asac> if its a secret you can /msg that me :)
[19:13] <didrocks> asac: yes you can!
[19:13] <didrocks> asac: even on the default install, without ccsm :p
[19:13] <didrocks> and with an ui
[19:13] <didrocks> lucky you :)
[19:13] <asac> awesome
[19:13] <asac> where?
[19:13] <didrocks> gnome-control-center background
[19:13] <asac> is there a "yes, i have good eyes" feature?
[19:13] <asac> nice
[19:13] <didrocks> heh
[19:13] <didrocks> see the beautiful scrollbar I made for you :p
[19:13] <asac> background is not really where i would put it though
[19:14] <didrocks> talk to design, it was called "user interface" in the ui :)
[19:14] <asac> didrocks: its actually called look i think
[19:14] <asac> err appearance
[19:14] <asac> and then look
[19:14] <didrocks> asac: appearance
[19:14] <didrocks> yeah
[19:14] <didrocks> it's a distro patch :)
[19:14] <asac> ah ... wow
[19:15] <asac> :)
[19:15] <asac> really odd :)
[19:15] <asac> you mean ux team did that? or gnome?
[19:15] <asac> maybe we just reuse the gnome background settings dialog for this?
[19:15] <didrocks> asac: it's called background in gnome
[19:15] <asac> yeah
[19:15] <didrocks> right
[19:15] <asac> then it makes sense
[19:15] <asac> so we did the right thing (once)
[19:15] <didrocks> design asked us to add those options
[19:15] <asac> i love the 36 icons :
[19:15] <asac> )\
[19:15] <didrocks> hehe, we are "butchering" the ui as upstream says :)
[19:16] <asac> err 32px
[19:16] <asac> would prefer 24 though i guess
[19:16] <asac> but *shrug* its good as it is now
[19:16] <asac> let me check something
[19:16] <didrocks> asac: yeah, unity doesn't support less right now
[19:16] <asac> ok
[19:16] <asac> our dash can become better
[19:16] <didrocks> http://blog.didrocks.fr/post/Some-unity-configuration-in-gnome-control-center.#c212
[19:16] <asac> searching for "launcher icon" doesnt bring hte appearence thing
[19:17] <didrocks> asac: ^ upstream comment :)
[19:17] <didrocks> yeah, we need to add keywords
[19:17] <asac> i would really love to add more keywords to various things
[19:17] <asac> i happened to use win 7
[19:17] <didrocks> we need someone to track those
[19:17] <asac> and even though the UI is completely incomprehensive, searching for the natural language terms made me find stuff
[19:17] <didrocks> (with translation and such)
[19:17] <pgraner> look like Nvidia broke after updating
[19:18] <asac> like "how the hell can I change the launcher icon size" ... would work there
[19:18] <didrocks> agreed
[19:18] <asac> here just "launcher" would be good :)
[19:18] <asac> cool. everybody agrees :) ... now lets find a victim to do it
[19:18] <asac> lol
[19:18] <asac> enjoy your weekend
[19:19] <pgraner> bryceh, are you seeing nvidia breakage today?
[19:19] <didrocks> asac: thanks, you too :)
[19:20]  * didrocks waves good evening
[19:21] <bryceh> pgraner, SIGSEGV in WriteToClient() ?
[19:22] <pgraner> bryceh, no looks like: "This server has an unsupported input driver ABI version (have 16.0, need < 14.0). The driver will load but may behave strangely.
[19:23] <bryceh> input ABI, huh
[19:24] <pgraner> bryceh, yea, I can't get X to run, it loops until it finally gives up and I'm at a console prompt
[19:25] <bryceh> pgraner, mind pastebinning your /var/log/dpkg.log?
[19:25] <pgraner> nope
[19:25] <bryceh> pastebinit /var/log/dpkg.log
[19:26] <pgraner> bryceh, http://paste.ubuntu.com/846249/
[19:26] <bryceh> thx
[19:27] <pgraner> bryceh, http://paste.ubuntu.com/846254/    Xorg.0.log
[19:28] <Sarvatt> pgraner: multi monitor?
[19:28] <Sarvatt> there's some unity-greeter breakage
[19:28] <pgraner> Sarvatt, yep two heads
[19:28] <bryceh> arrandale iirc
[19:29] <bryceh> upgrade  unity-greeter                  2012-02-17   13:45:02     0.2.1-0ubuntu1                 0.2.3-0ubuntu3
[19:29] <bryceh> upgrade  nvidia-common                  2012-02-15   21:17:28     1:0.2.37                       1:0.2.38
[19:29] <Sarvatt> pgraner: downgrading to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/0.2.1-0ubuntu1/+build/3209641/+files/unity-greeter_0.2.1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb sshould fix it for now
[19:30] <Sarvatt> pgraner: https://launchpad.net/bugs/934040
[19:30] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 934040 in unity-greeter "unity-greeter crashed with SIGSEGV in background_loader_load()" [High,Confirmed]
[19:31] <bryceh> pgraner, the input ABI warning is innocuous.  We'll be updating to nvidia 295.20 soonish, and it may go away at that point.
[19:32] <bryceh> pgraner, and you're a brave man upgrading the day after feature freeze ;-)
[19:33] <pgraner> bryceh, yea, I went to nvidia right away when I saw that in the log
[19:34] <pgraner> Sarvatt, that fixed it
[19:36] <bryceh> pgraner, yeah, our 1.11 xserver has the input stack from xserver 1.12, but NVIDIA really shouldn't care much about the input side of things.  It's been a few weeks since we upped the X stack with that change.
[19:36] <pgraner> Ok now gnome-settings-daemon keeps dieing
[19:37] <pgraner> bryceh, http://paste.ubuntu.com/846267/
[19:37] <bryceh> ok now that looks like us :-)
[19:38] <bryceh> actually maybe not, that could just be g-s-d confusion
[19:38] <pgraner> bryceh, if I unplug my wacom tablet g-s-d works
[19:39] <bryceh> yeah, interesting, it's not recognizing your tablet as a tablet
[19:39] <pgraner> bryceh, tell me I can blame cnd :)
[19:42] <bryceh> pgraner, hmm, nothing changed on the X side that'd possibly lead to that.  I think cnd's innocent (unless something changed in the kernel).  Likely is this:
[19:42] <bryceh> upgrade  gnome-settings-daemon          2012-02-15   09:48:23     3.2.2-0ubuntu17                3.3.5-0ubuntu1
[19:42] <bryceh>  upgrade  gnome-settings-daemon          2012-02-17   13:41:50     3.3.5-0ubuntu1                 3.3.5-0ubuntu3
[19:42] <pgraner> bryceh, damn! lol
[19:43] <bryceh> pgraner, lemme poke around a bit
[19:45] <pgraner> bryceh, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/934445
[19:45] <ubot2`> pgraner: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0xa5ae8cc> bug 934445 not found
[19:52] <bryceh> pgraner, mind testing if downgrading to the earlier g-s-d makes it work?  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/3.2.2-0ubuntu17
[19:54] <bryceh> yeah looks like this new version has some significant changes with wacom
[19:54] <bryceh> install  libwacom                       2012-02-15   09:48:22     <none>                         0.3-0ubuntu3
[19:56] <pgraner> bryceh, that one works just fine.... so I can blame cnd?
[19:56] <bryceh> seb128, ^^ you will want to look into this; the new wacom code in g-s-d apparently carries some risks
[19:56] <bryceh> pgraner, nope, this one's for seb128 - see lp #931656
[19:57] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 931656 in gnome-settings-daemon "let's try to update gsd to the current unstable version" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931656
[19:57] <pgraner> bryceh, damn, I'm really wanting to blame cnd...
[19:57]  * pgraner stomps feet
[19:58] <bryceh> pgraner, basically the new g-s-d has some new wacom support, which evidently could use some additional polish.
[19:59] <pgraner> bryceh, eh, nice way to put it... polish
[19:59] <bryceh> pgraner, think you need a clickpad to be able to blame anything on cnd currently ;-)
[19:59] <pgraner> bryceh, I have one on my lenovo but turn it off, I like the red stick pointer better
[20:07] <seb128> bryceh, pgraner: hey, what's the issue? wacom shouldn't be used at all if you don't have a wacom device
[20:07] <pgraner> seb128, I do have one
[20:08] <seb128> pgraner, what's the issue with it?
[20:08] <pgraner> seb128, if its plugged in gnome-settings-daemon crashes
[20:08] <pgraner> seb128, with it unplugged it works fine
[20:08] <seb128> pgraner, can you report an apport bug?
[20:08] <bryceh> seb128, see 934445
[20:08] <pgraner> seb128, I did
[20:08] <seb128> pgraner, I will have a look but not today
[20:08] <seb128> it's friday 9pm and it has been a look week ;-)
[20:08] <bryceh> seb128, thanks; I've assigned it to you and am adding notes from our debugging
[20:08] <seb128> bryceh, thanks
[20:08] <pgraner> seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/934445
[20:09] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 934445 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon 3.3.5 crashed with SIGABRT in g_assertion_message() when my Wacom Bamboo 2FG 4x5 is plugged in" [High,Triaged]
[20:09] <seb128> bryceh, pgraner: can that wait next week (I guess it can)? ;-)
[20:10] <seb128> seems the workaround is easy and not so many people have a wacom device
[20:10] <seb128> bryceh, pgraner: you can disable the wacom plugin in gsettings if needed, or just unplug the device
[20:10] <pgraner> seb128, yea I downgraded so I'm good for now
[20:11] <bryceh> seb128, yeah I think it's not critical; not many people have wacoms, and if they do and they MUST use precise, they can downgrade g-s-d
[20:11] <seb128> ok, good, next week topic then ;-)
[20:33] <kenvandine> mterry, did you see bug 934040 yet?
[20:33] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 934040 in unity-greeter "unity-greeter crashed with SIGSEGV in background_loader_load()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/934040
[20:34] <kenvandine> not sure how many people are hitting it, but i know i can reproduce it
[20:34] <kenvandine> seems to be multi-monitor related
[20:34] <bryceh> kenvandine, yeah pgraner hit it earlier (see scrollback)
[20:34] <bryceh> kenvandine, downgrade unity-greeter for the time being
[20:35] <kenvandine> that is what i did this morning
[20:35] <bryceh> kenvandine, which video driver?
[20:35] <kenvandine> i just wanted to make sure mterry saw it
[20:35] <kenvandine> nvidia
[20:35]  * bryceh nods
[20:36] <kenvandine> it has something to do with loading the background image, when it falls back to the default
[20:50] <bryceh> kenvandine, robert ancell added multi-monitor support yesterday.  the Design team wants the login screen to be shown as extended rather than mirrored as the default, so he's investigating how to get that working.  Perhaps the bug should go his way?
[20:53] <dobey> hrmm
[20:54] <dobey> anyone knows what happens if two separate packages have gsettings overrides for the same key?
[20:59] <kenvandine> bryceh, probably, but i figured mterry was more likely to be around sooner :)
[21:00] <kenvandine> bryceh, looks like r294 was the commit, but it isn't simple to back out
[21:00] <kenvandine> dobey, no idea
[21:02] <BigWhale> did someone recently upgrade python logger in Precise?
[21:02] <BigWhale> it seems that basicConfig stopped working
[21:02] <kenvandine> hey BigWhale
[21:02] <BigWhale> hey ken
[21:02] <kenvandine> isn't logger builtin to python?
[21:02] <BigWhale> I think so
[21:03] <BigWhale> but suddenly I don't get any debug info in Precise
[21:03] <BigWhale> which is weird
[21:04] <BigWhale> anyway, I'll bbl ... have to unpack... came from the office half an hour ago :/
[21:04] <kenvandine> python=2.7.2-13ubuntu5 was uploaded yesterday
[21:04] <BigWhale> ok, thanks for the info.
[21:04] <BigWhale> I'll look into it a bit later.
[21:07] <dobey> kenvandine: i guess it's probably a race, and whichever gets installed last, wins; if not installed at the same time. and if they are installed at the same time, then i am not sure. i guess whichever comes later in the dir() listing
[21:38] <mterry> kenvandine, back, and ACK
[21:38] <kenvandine> mterry, i re-assigned it to robert_ancell
[21:39] <kenvandine> but if you can fix it, i am sure folks would appreciate it :)
[21:39] <kenvandine> it is a little painful to work around right now
[21:46] <mterry> kenvandine, so how do you reproduce?
[21:47] <kenvandine> my nvidia desktop with two displays
[21:47] <kenvandine> crashes everytime
[21:48] <kenvandine> i am not sure if it is nvidia specific or not
[21:48] <kenvandine> could be that both of my displays are 1080p
[21:48] <kenvandine> so it is scaling the image pretty big
[21:51] <Sarvatt> kenvandine: do you use twinview too?
[21:52] <mterry> kenvandine, seems to be because part of the code thinks there are *no* monitors...
[21:52] <kenvandine> yes
[21:52] <Sarvatt> everyone i've talked to hitting it has been using twinview
[21:56] <mterry> kenvandine, can you pastebin me the output of "unity-greeter --test-mode" run in your user session?
[21:58] <kenvandine> sure
[21:59] <kenvandine> mterry, http://paste.ubuntu.com/846474/
[21:59] <mterry> thanks
[22:00] <kenvandine> i hope it helps :)
[22:00] <mterry> kenvandine, oh duh.  sorry I need a real log.  /var/log/lightdm/x-0-greeter.log maybe?
[22:01] <kenvandine> sure
[22:01] <kenvandine> http://paste.ubuntu.com/846478/
[22:02] <mterry> kenvandine, thanks!
[22:02] <kenvandine> that is from 0.2.1, not the crashing version
[22:02] <mterry> oh
[22:02] <kenvandine> lightdm doesn't keep logs from previous sessions
[22:02] <ricotz> cyphermox, ping
[22:02] <kenvandine> i had to downgrade in order to login
[22:03] <mterry> kenvandine, right; that makes sense, though doesn't have the debug output I wanted.  /me looks elsewhere
[22:03] <kenvandine> sorry
[22:03] <ricotz> cyphermox, hi, libnm-utils-dev is missing to install nm-utils-enum-types.h
[22:12] <mterry> kenvandine, can you run this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/846487/  (with valac --pkg=gtk+-3.0 monitors.vala; ./monitors)
[22:16] <kenvandine> sure
[22:16] <kenvandine> Screen is 3840x1080 pixels
[22:16] <kenvandine> Monitor 0 is 1920x1080 pixels at 0,0
[22:16] <kenvandine> Monitor 1 is 1920x1080 pixels at 1920,0
[22:17]  * mterry is confused then and digs deeper.  kenvandine: thanks again!
[22:20] <bryceh> mterry, what's the confusion?
[22:20] <mterry> bryceh, the code at first blush seems to do the right thing as long as it thinks there are monitors.  And the above indicates it's getting the right info about monitors.  I'm just missing something stupid the code must be doing
[22:21] <kenvandine> mterry, but the crash is in loading the background
[22:21] <kenvandine> looks to me like it is really when it is trying to resize the background
[22:22] <mterry> kenvandine, yeah, in loading a background at the various sizes needed, we try to print which sizes we just loaded, and we do that per-monitor size.  So we end up trying to pull a value from a null monitor array
[22:22] <kenvandine> oh
[22:23] <ricotz> hello, could someone sponsor this? http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/nm/network-manager_0.9.2.0+git201202161854.8572ecf-0ubuntu3.debdiff
[22:23] <ricotz> cyphermox, ^
[22:23] <kenvandine> in the trace on the bug report i saw something that listed 3840x1080
[22:23] <mterry> I think I see it...
[22:24] <cyphermox> ricotz: I'll look soon
[22:24] <cyphermox> already working on it
[22:24] <ricotz> cyphermox, i already test-built it
[22:25] <cyphermox> still
[22:25] <kenvandine> mterry, i'd be happy to test a patch
[22:25] <ricotz> cyphermox, ok, thanks
[22:29] <cyphermox> ricotz: what do you need this for?
[22:29] <cyphermox> just curious, it's obviously needed
[22:29] <ricotz> g-c-c
[22:29] <ricotz> but it also breaks the internal header deps
[22:30] <ricotz> (meaning everything which is using nm-types.h breaks)
[22:30] <mterry> kenvandine, I was able to reproduce on my own actually, after adjusting test-mode to use two monitors of the same size.  That was the trigger.  So I'm confident I got it.  I'll distro-patch it
[22:32] <kenvandine> woot
[22:36] <cyphermox> ricotz: yeah, I ran into that issue with nm-applet too
[22:37] <kenvandine> mterry, it would be good to add a multi-monitor option to test mode to test these things
[22:37] <cyphermox> ricotz: so I'll take my changelog and my changes, but I'll frankenstein in your name so you get the credits, since you were already done
[22:37] <cyphermox> brb; gotta run some errands
[22:37] <mterry> kenvandine, it has a multi-monitor option in trunk.  but the fake monitors are different sizes... so didn't catch this.  :)
[22:37] <kenvandine> ah
[22:39] <mterry> kenvandine, thanks a bunch for your help!  confirming your monitor list was accurate was helpful
[22:40] <kenvandine> mterry, any time
[22:44] <ricotz> cyphermox, thanks!