pleia2hi folks, just trying to round up one board member to get quorum, we'll start shortly :)00:00
chilicui1hi, ok, I'll stand by00:03
cyphermoxhopefully it shouldn't be too long00:04
cyphermoxhey lifeless00:04
pleia2ok great, let's go :)00:04
cyphermoxokie dokie!00:04
cyphermox#startmeeting Americas Regional Membership Board00:04
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cyphermoxHello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the Americas meeting for February 16, 2012. The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas00:05
cyphermoxyay, my date thing worked.00:05
cyphermoxWe will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.00:05
cyphermoxThe format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).00:05
cyphermoxEach applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.00:05
cyphermoxDuring this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.00:06
cyphermoxWhen the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)00:06
cyphermox#voters cyphermox Pendulum pleia2 beuno n0rman greg-g dinda nhandler00:06
meetingologyWarning: Nick not in channel: dinda00:06
meetingologyCurrent voters: Pendulum beuno cyphermox dinda greg-g n0rman nhandler pleia200:06
cyphermoxNow, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...00:06
cyphermoxis kdub here?00:06
cyphermoxapparently not, my completion failed00:06
cyphermoxwhat about caravena ?00:07
cyphermoxcontinuing throught the list...00:08
cyphermox#subtopic Membership application for Chris Wayne (cwayne)00:08
cyphermox#link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrisWayne00:08
cwayneOkay everyone, my name is Chris Wayne (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrisWayne)00:08
cwayneWhile I do quite a bit of work for Ubuntu within Canonical (QA'ing platforms that have gone on to ship in the millions around the world) I also contribute to the overall community on my own time00:09
pleia2that's great to see :)00:09
cwayneI frequent askubuntu answering questions that I'm able, as well as on reddit answering peoples questions, not only technical, but also questions about ubuntu in general00:09
cwaynesuch as (whats coming in the next unity, how is 12.04 alpha looking?, etc)00:10
lifelessI'm sorry about my adsl.00:10
cwaynei also always use the latest dev release and log bugs, have been logging bugs on unity since maverick00:10
cwayneand lastly, i act as sort of an unofficial liason to other communities, such as helping and advocating ubuntu to many in #webos (and am even working on an Ubuntu One webos app on my own time :))00:11
cwayneas well as convincing all my friends/acquantinces/family to switch to ubuntu (in fact many of them have :) )00:11
lifelessand back, sorry, adsl faaaaail00:12
lifelesstelecom seem to hate my house midday at the moment00:12
cwaynewell i guess that's enough about me, unless there's any questions00:12
pleia2thanks for having such a thorough wiki page00:12
lifelesslast I saw was 13:06 < meetingology> Current voters: Pendulum beuno cyphermox dinda greg-g n0rman nhandler pleia200:12
cyphermoxlifeless: just a second00:12
lifelesscatching up via irclogs.u.c00:13
lifelesswhich is out of date ><00:13
pleia2lifeless: yeah, it only updates on the hour00:13
pleia2cwayne: how do you feel about the current software developer to software center workflow? does it work positively for developers?00:14
cwaynepleia2: honestly, i feel it could be more efficient00:15
* pleia2 nods00:15
cwaynepleia2: i submitted an app (just a stupid pidgin emoticons theme type deal) and felt there was quite a delay before I heard anything (including whether or not the submission went through correctly)00:15
pleia2good to know00:15
cwaynepleia2: actually that reminds me, I've also reached out to developers (specifically of lenses) and tried to help them get their apps in the software center :)00:16
cyphermoxah, I'll let somebody know about this :)00:16
pleia2cwayne: yeah, I snagged that question via your wiki page, it's good to see people out there doing that00:16
cyphermoxstgraber: if this is still up your alley ^^00:16
* cwayne forgot that was on my page00:17
cyphermox#vote Chris Wayne to obtain Ubuntu Membership00:19
meetingologyPlease vote on: Chris Wayne to obtain Ubuntu Membership00:19
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)00:19
meetingology+1 received from pleia200:19
meetingology+1 received from cyphermox00:19
meetingology+1 received from Pendulum00:19
lifelessheh, I missed the paste before, sorry.00:20
lifelessso I'll +0 as an uniformed person, but that won't affect you :)00:20
pleia2lifeless: we can wait if you want to take a moment to read it00:20
lifelessparticularly if meetingology doesn't know I'm a voter yet00:20
cyphermox#voters cyphermox Pendulum pleia2 beuno n0rman greg-g dinda nhandler lifeless00:20
meetingologyCurrent voters: Pendulum beuno cyphermox dinda greg-g lifeless n0rman nhandler pleia200:20
lifelesswhats your askubuntu userid ?00:21
cwaynelifeless: http://askubuntu.com/users/21657/chris-wayne00:22
lifelesssure, +100:22
meetingology+1 received from lifeless00:22
meetingologyVoting ended on: Chris Wayne to obtain Ubuntu Membership00:23
meetingologyVotes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:000:23
meetingologyMotion carried00:23
pleia2congrats and welcome cwayne!00:23
cyphermoxcongrats cwayne!00:23
cwayne\o/ thank you pleia2!00:23
cwaynethanks cyphermox :)00:23
roadmrcongrats cwayne!00:23
Pendulumcwayne: congrats!00:23
chilicui1congrats cwayne =)00:23
cyphermox#subtopic Membership application for Daniel Manrique (roadmr)00:23
cwaynethanks roadmr lifeless and Pendulum :)00:23
cyphermox#link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielManrique00:23
roadmrI'm Daniel, a.k.a. roadmr (short for Roadmaster). My wiki page http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielManrique00:24
roadmrI'm a long-time Linux user, I started using (and got involved with) Ubuntu a few years ago. I've been working for Canonical for a bit over a year, so I get to tinker with Ubuntu on a daily basis.00:24
roadmrI try to help the project and community in various ways, such as answering questions, triaging and fixing bugs, translating, and anything I may be of assistance with. I'm also very involved with the Ubuntu Friendly community testing program and the related checkbox System Testing utility.00:24
pleia2how is Ubuntu Friendly going?00:25
roadmrpleia2: We see the most submissions right after release time, it's an asymptotic decrease00:26
roadmrpleia2: we are looking into ways of making testing more interesting/fun, which we hope will make more test submissions come in over time00:26
* pleia2 nods00:26
roadmrBack in the early days I was heavily into Linux evangelism; I scaled back over the years, but recently I started getting a bit more involved, which has been great, as I like to help a "new generation" of Ubuntu and Linux users get the most out of free software.00:26
pleia2it's a great project, I'm really glad we have it now00:26
roadmrSo that's me! I'll be glad to answer any questions you may have.00:27
roadmrpleia2: yes! there's still room for improvement, do expect some new things coming in 12.04 ;)00:27
pleia2thanks for such a thorough wiki page00:27
cyphermox#vote Daniel Manrique to obtain Ubuntu Membership00:28
meetingologyPlease vote on: Daniel Manrique to obtain Ubuntu Membership00:28
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)00:28
cyphermox+1  keep it up!00:28
meetingology+1  keep it up! received from cyphermox00:28
meetingology+1 received from Pendulum00:29
meetingology+1 received from pleia200:29
meetingology+1 received from lifeless00:29
meetingologyVoting ended on: Daniel Manrique to obtain Ubuntu Membership00:29
meetingologyVotes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:000:29
meetingologyMotion carried00:29
cyphermoxcongratulations roadmr!00:29
chilicui1yeeei roadmr =)00:29
Pendulumcongrats roadmr!00:29
roadmrAwesome :D thanks!00:29
cwaynehey congrats roadmr :)00:30
pleia2congrats and welcome roadmr :)00:30
roadmrthanks cwayne, pleia2, cyphermox, Pendulum! Gracias chilicui1 !00:30
cyphermox#subtopic Membership application for Javier Lopez (chilicui1)00:30
cyphermox#link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/~chilicuil00:30
chilicui1hi there, my name is Javier Lopez, aka chilicuil, I've been using ubuntu for 6 years now00:30
chilicui1I try to help when I can, notably when the average joe user (which in my opinion I'm part of it)00:31
chilicui1ehh, I work as a sysadmin in high school, where we've set up ubuntu as the main os00:32
chilicui1every 2 cicles I go crazy and give cd away to people in parks, zoo's or any public place00:32
pleia2always nice to see more folks deploying ubuntu in schools :)00:32
chilicui1I'm also organizating (not sure if it's the correct word) local UGJ00:33
* pleia2 is browsing the photos00:33
pleia2very nice!00:33
pleia2planning one this time too?00:33
cyphermoxindeed, this is great00:33
chilicui1pleia2: yep =)00:34
chilicui1u can find me in #ubuntu-es where I have a possition as op, I try to help as much as i can00:34
chilicui1u can see the rest in my blog and in the wiki00:35
pleia2nice to see your work with Dia del Usuario Ubuntu too :)00:35
pleia2hehe "Hug dholbach"00:36
chilicui1yep, that's my main target in ubuntu00:36
cyphermoxchilicui1: can be arranged :)00:36
pleia2hope you can make it up to a UDS soon (next one is in California)00:37
chilicui1jojojo, I'd prefer to take it by suprise, }=)00:37
chilicui1pleia2: I'd like for I guess I wont make it this time, maybe the next one00:37
* pleia2 nods00:38
cyphermox#vote chilicui1 to obtain Ubuntu Membership00:38
meetingologyPlease vote on: chilicui1 to obtain Ubuntu Membership00:38
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)00:38
meetingology+1 received from pleia200:38
meetingology+1 received from lifeless00:38
meetingology+1 received from cyphermox00:38
chilicui1T____T I'll record this day for a long time00:38
pleia2much deserved00:38
meetingology+1 received from Pendulum00:39
meetingologyVoting ended on: chilicui1 to obtain Ubuntu Membership00:39
meetingologyVotes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:000:39
meetingologyMotion carried00:39
pleia2congrats, chilicui1! welcome!00:39
chilicui1woowow, amaziiiiing!, thanks!00:39
Pendulumchilicui1: congrats!00:39
roadmrchilicui1: Congrats! Felicidades!00:39
chilicui1roadmr: gracias ;)00:39
cyphermox#subtopic Membership application for Paul Belanger (pabelanger)00:40
cyphermox#link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaulBelanger00:40
cyphermoxa fellow canadian00:40
pabelangerMy name is Paul Belanger, as the link says.  My wiki page is located at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaulBelanger00:40
pabelangerNo doubt about it00:40
pleia2so, how good are you at debugging digium card problems? ;)00:42
pabelangerI'm currently an open source developer for the Asterisk project.  My goal is to help maintain the asterisk packages within ubuntu.  I help out triaging issue and providing patches when I can.  Additionally I've been helping with 12.04 recently with nagios, dahdi, puppet and nsca00:42
pabelangerpleia2: good, my back ground is telecommunications.  So looking at a debug log for that is not an issue00:42
pleia2I don't actually know the status if asterisk in Ubuntu (I do use it in Debian)00:43
pabelangerAs from that, my next tasks are automation with puppet and openstack00:43
pabelangerpleia2: I actually help tzafrir on the pkg-voip team00:44
pabelangerPlus the obligatory helping people to start using Ubuntu for Desktop and Server environments00:45
pabelangerI'm happy to answer any questions too00:46
pleia2pabelanger: there don't happen to be any folks you've worked with in the Ubuntu community here, are there?00:46
pleia2it would be nice to see some testimonials from them00:46
pabelangerMostly people in ubuntu-motu that helped me upload the packages00:47
pabelangerGuess I should have linked http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2012/02/16/ubuntu-12-04-development-update-14/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ubuntu-12-04-development-update-14 to my wiki too, but only found that a few hours aog00:48
pabelangerUnder the 'First timers!' section00:49
cyphermoxoh, nice!00:49
pleia2pabelanger: you clearly do a lot of really great work with open source (I use asterisk and nagios, so it's appreciated!) but I'd really like to see you move forward with involved with the Ubuntu-VoIP team and get some testimonials from developers you're working with in the Ubuntu community00:52
pabelangerI'm not sure who else to get involved with, since I appear to be the only person that will triage the issues for asterisk / dahdi.00:54
broderhave you run into superm1 at all? i know he has a lot of blog posts about asterisk configuration; don't know whether he does any packaging maintenance00:54
pabelangerLike you mentioned, the Ubuntu-voip teams seems to be small / no active.  So, I'm just trying to help get it started00:54
cyphermoxI'd have to agree to that, your involvement seems very development centric / related to bug triaage and such; so I'd possibly suggest working some more on that aspect, do a few more uploads and apply for Per-package upload rights before the Developer Membership Board.00:55
pleia2(Developer Membership Board gets you Ubuntu Membership too)00:55
cyphermoxpabelanger: it doesn't have to be the Ubuntu-VoIP team, anyone can probably sponsor packages for you00:55
pabelangerbroder: sadly no.  Most of my currently business is providing asterisk solutions on Ubuntu so I would be interested in seeing his work00:55
cyphermoxso if you want to revive the ubuntu-voip team that's also great (we need good telephony)00:55
pabelangerSo, I should be applying to the Developer Membership Board first, before this board?00:56
pleia2if you apply to the dev membership board you don't need to apply here00:56
pleia2I'd suggest going that route, since we don't really have the capacity to properly judge your packaging contributions00:57
cyphermoxright. but they look for different things, but it seems like you've already well started involvement with teh Debian team, and some other uploads00:57
pabelangerI see, figured getting Ubuntu Membership first before applying to Developer Membership Board would be the preferred route00:58
cyphermoxpabelanger: right00:58
pleia2yeah, no need to do that, dev membership includes ubuntu membership so with that you're all good00:59
cyphermoxpabelanger: since we're in the same timezone feel free to ping me when you want if you have things to sponsor, I'll see how I can help (though that's normally not the kind of packages I focus on)00:59
pabelangerOkay then, feel free to -1 me and I'll do the Development Membership route01:00
pabelangercyphermox: will do01:00
cyphermoxOTOH, if you're interested in doing differently focused work in the community, I don't think there are still Ubuntu Hours in Ottawa, and we in Ubuntu-QC have been itching for a reason to visit for a while :)01:00
* pabelanger nods01:01
cyphermoxpabelanger: in this particular case we don't need to vote01:01
pabelangerI'm trying to review the asterisk user group, and start a openstack one too.  I'm sure we'll cross paths01:01
cyphermoxthere are no other applicants and we're out of time so I think we'll end this meeting now01:02
pangolinI +1 cyphermox' idea about visiting a ottawa UH01:02
cyphermoxpabelanger: awesome.01:02
cyphermoxpangolin: yeah, you'll clearly be coming with us to visit in the summer :)01:02
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pangolincyphermox: absolutely, plus there is a awesome waterpark on the way there :)01:03
pleia2thanks everyone01:03
roadmrthanks all!01:03
cyphermoxthanks all! :)01:03
cyphermoxand I'm off, my computer isn't allowing me to click anything anymore :)01:04
roadmrgnight all!01:06
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Riddelldoes the release team meeting start at 16:00 or 16:30?15:54
stgraberRiddell: 16:0015:57
* skaet waves at Riddell and stgraber.15:58
stgraberskaet: good morning15:58
jibelgood morning everyone15:59
skaetgood morning stgraber.  :)15:59
* pitti waves15:59
skaethello everyone,   looks like we have quorum emerging.  :)16:00
meetingologyMeeting started Fri Feb 17 16:00:05 2012 UTC.  The chair is skaet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.16:00
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* skaet just deleted her intro remarks...16:00
skaethi everyone,  sorry about this.  cut/paste error on my part.16:00
skaetI'll reconstruct them and paste at end.16:01
skaetAgenda is in usual place16:01
skaetThanks to everyone for getting the tested features in on time for feature freeze.16:02
skaetUpcoming Dates:16:02
skaet- 2012/06/23 - UserInterfaceFreeze16:02
skaet- 2012/06/23 - BetaFreeze at 2100 UTC16:02
skaet- 2012/02/02 - Beta 116:02
skaetIf time permits (ie. we end less than an hour), there will be a discussion at the end on some restructuring of this meeting,   possibly using an open forum for Q&A rather than explicit round table.   But for today,  we'll continue with round table.16:02
skaet[TOPIC] Hardware Certification team update - mlegris16:02
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mlegris1 second please :)16:03
mlegrisarg she beat me to it16:04
mlegrisso weekly testing hit a snag when we found a bug in bind916:04
mlegrisany questions?16:04
mlegrisseeing none16:05
skaetmlegris,  not seeing the bind9 on your blocking list.   what's the bug number?16:05
mlegrisskaet: it should be on the list I sent out, let me grab it16:05
mlegrisbug 923685 Installing resolvconf causes loss of manually entered nameserver  information in resolv.conf16:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 923685 in resolvconf (Ubuntu Precise) "Installing resolvconf causes loss of manually entered nameserver information in resolv.conf" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92368516:05
skaetThanks mlegris16:05
mlegrisnp :)16:06
skaet[TOPIC] QA team update -  jibel16:06
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jibel(I messed up the date again sorry)16:06
stgrabermlegris: the bind issue is actually https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bind9/+bug/933723 (as noted in the last comment of 923685)16:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 933723 in bind9 (Ubuntu) "resolvconf creating bogus resolv.conf file" [Low,New]16:07
skaetjibel,  np.  are all the images now working today after FF?16:07
cjwatsonthe boot speed testing issue is essentially fixed but needs a debian-installer upload to rebuild images16:07
cjwatsonthat one was my fault16:07
jibelskaet, yes16:07
skaetjibel,  :)16:08
* skaet sends big THANK YOU to the teams landing tested features!!16:08
skaet[TOPIC] Security team Q&A - mdeslaur16:09
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mdeslaurnothing further to report16:09
mdeslaurany questions?16:09
skaetThanks mdeslaur.16:09
skaetany FFes needed for AppArmor?16:10
skaet(or have all the features landed now,  and its just bugs)16:10
mdeslaurskaet: yes, we'll need a FFe for the kernel changes16:10
skaetmdeslaur, ack.    thanks16:11
skaet[TOPIC] Kernel team Q&A - ogasawara16:11
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ogasawara[LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000847.html16:11
ogasawaraI intend to upload our Beta-1 kernel today.  If there are any patches16:11
ogasawarawhich need to land, submit them immediately.16:11
ogasawaramdeslaur: jj pinged us to mention he hit a kitten killer with the apparmor patches so they'll be delayed.16:12
skaetThanks ogasawara!16:12
mdeslaurogasawara: ah, thanks16:12
mdeslaurpoor kitten :)16:12
skaetany impact from the compiler change?16:12
ogasawaraskaet: none that I'm aware.  but I'll be kicking off test builds shortly.16:12
skaet[TOPIC] Foundations team Q&A - cjwatson16:13
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cjwatsonDown pretty close to the trend line now.  We'll probably postpone quite a few Upstart-related work items, but aside from that the remaining items are either things that don't need to land in the archive or things that amount to bugs rather than feature work.16:13
skaetyay,  re trend line.  :)16:13
arosalescjwatson: lxc working better in your testing?16:14
cjwatsonarosales: you'd have to talk to stgraber about that, but I haven't heard complaints16:14
arosalesok, I saw your update on new LXC with console/tty16:14
skaetcjwatson,  any ETA on apport crash database FFE?16:15
arosalesgood to know you haven't heard any large complaints though. :-)16:15
stgraberarosales: working pretty well, uploading a new upstart now that'll unlock a udev upload fixing some more LXC issues, but after that, it should be really good16:15
stgraberarosales: (the issue the udev fixes is the flood of udev event reaching the host when a container starts)16:15
cjwatsonskaet: I don't have a specific ETA at the moment; https://code.launchpad.net/~ev/apport/whoopsie/+merge/92753 has been clearly getting there apace and I think they're mostly cleaning up test breakage now16:16
cjwatsonskaet: the impression I had from ev was that it was likely to be days over the deadline rather than weeks16:16
arosalesstgraber: thanks for the info. Server team is doing some more work with OpenStack juju related to LXC16:16
skaetthanks cjwatson.  :)  days is what I was hoping to hear.16:16
arosalescjwatson: stgraber: thanks16:17
skaet[TOPIC] Server team Q&A - arosales16:17
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pittiargh, got disconnected16:17
pittiright, I'm talkign to ev now16:17
pittistill working out some regressions16:17
pittithere are a few UI warts to shake out, but I'm ok with fixing them a bit later16:17
pittiETA mid next week16:17
arosalesApologies for the late post. Good amount of effort around Openstack, and automated testing. Also spent some time tracking down the use case for OpenMPI.16:18
arosalesAny questions?16:18
skaetThanks arosales.  :)  /me looking at it now.16:19
* arosales apologizes again for the late post16:19
DavieyYeah, you are rubbish arosales :P16:19
skaetre:  OpenMPI - ETA on FFE?16:19
arosalestotally :-/16:19
cjwatsonpitti: ah, thanks for the specifics16:20
arosalesskaet: Building right now. If not today (UK folks are working on it) then early next week.16:20
skaetarosales,  coolio.   Thanks.  :)   farther away from beta freeze,  happier I am.  :)16:20
DavieyThere is a significant rbuild-depends right... that is the concern?16:21
arosalesskaet: We are working to keep the linkage of OpenMPI 1.5 to 1.4 deps to lower the risk.16:21
arosalesDaviey: right, thus we are trying to keep the linkage against 1.416:21
skaetthanks arosales,  good to know.16:21
skaet[TOPIC] ARM team Q&A - ogra_16:22
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ogra_nothing to add to my mail report :)16:22
skaetogra_, congrats on making the switch to armhf!   good luck?16:23
ogra_btw :)16:23
pitti that means we should switch precise_probs and friends over to armhf now?16:23
pittiand move armel to testing_ports, etc16:23
ogra_thanks, we shouldnt need luck but vendors that rebuild their binary drivers ;)16:23
arosalesorga: on that note, since amrel is now community maintained are most significant packages ready for armhf (given PRV driver is still coming)?16:23
arosalesI guess that kind of answers it :-)16:23
ogra_arosales, PVR is coming and i think rsalveti talks to TI this week about PVR for omap3 too16:24
ogra_the only missing one is nvidia for the ac100 atm16:24
arosalesthats not a bad list at all16:24
skaetogra_,  :)  indeed.   any FFes looking likely (other than for the late drops from TI, etc.)?16:24
ogra_TI promised the panda PVR driver for next week (just in time)16:24
arosalesogra_: thanks for the info.16:25
ogra_skaet, the d-i bits for armadaxp ... not surte that needs an FFe16:25
ogra_NCommander promised to have them ready today, but i didnt see him around since he said that :)16:25
skaetdbarth,  pitti, - any update on when GLES will be supported in compiz?16:25
* pitti doesn't know, sorry16:26
dbarthskaet: i'm just talking with ogra16:26
ogra_skaet, we are waiting for a patch from linaro16:26
dbarthskaet: we're waiting for a linaro patch16:26
fabo2it didn't happen as expected this week16:26
ogra_iirc i saw it mentioned in fabo's report16:26
skaetogra_, re: armadaxp - ack.    GLES - okie.  :)16:26
skaetthanks ogra_16:27
ogra_linaro had their conference so they lag a bit ...16:27
skaetand on that note,  lets see if fabo's got some updates... ;)16:27
skaet[TOPIC] Linaro team Q&A - fabo16:27
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fabo2sorry for missing last meeting and the late post16:28
fabo2this monthly cycle is short due to Linaro Connect, ELC and ABS16:28
fabo2less work has been delivered than usual16:29
skaetthanks fabo2.   yeah, busy month for you.  :)16:29
fabo2Graphics team wasn't able to fid time to tackle Compiz GLES patch as expected16:29
skaetfabo2,  any compiler issues known around the ARMHF side that we may need to pick up fixes for?16:29
fabo2it's re-scheduled for next week16:29
* Riddell hears KDE has a great GLES compositor16:30
fabo2skaet: no issues in particular for armhf16:30
fabo2doko was at Connect and I believe he pushed latest release16:31
* skaet nods16:31
fabo2any questions?16:31
* skaet apologizes for asking questions before the .. :/16:32
skaetThanks fabo2!   I've asked mine.16:32
fabo2otherwise, we started to ask vendors for armhf builds, same boat as ogra_16:32
* skaet nods16:32
skaet[TOPIC] Ubuntu One Team Q&A -  joshuahoover or ralsina16:33
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ralsinaskaet: and dobey, just in case ;-)16:33
ralsinaI am not sure about procedure. Should I explain our case a bit?16:34
skaetyes,  ralsina,  please explain your question.  :)   end with .. when you're finished.16:35
ralsinabasically, we are moving to a Qt-based control panel, because we are now cross-platform (ubuntu and windows, mac is upcoming).16:36
ralsinaSo, to maximize usage ofour resources,we wanted to have the same codebase in all platforms. So, this cycle we are switchig to the Qt control panel on Ubuntu.16:36
ralsinaIn order to do that and still be on the CD, we did a certain amount of work to make space for ourselves and our dependencies16:37
pittiI assume you are aware of the problem that pyqt4 isn't on the ubuntu default install and it's not easy to add it?16:37
pitti(as it's huge)16:37
ralsinapitti: yes, I am aware, and it's not so huge anymore because dobey has split it16:37
Riddellhe has?16:38
ralsinapitti: and we don't need all of it16:38
dobeyit's still pretty big16:38
RiddellScottK: ^^16:38
ralsinaRiddell: he is, let's say16:38
pittiI thought s/has/meant to/16:38
dobeyRiddell: i did some work to split it up more16:38
dobeyRiddell: but it's not proposed yet16:38
Riddelldobey: ok please keep me and ScottK informed, ScottK is the guy who usually packages it and keeps it in sync with debian16:38
ralsinaAll things considered, I think we use about 8MB (right dobey?)16:38
dobeyRiddell: will do16:38
dobeyralsina: yes16:39
Cimidid you test the theming on it?16:39
ralsinaAnd that's about it, really. The question would be, what do we have to do, or has to be done, to stay in the CD.16:39
Ciminobody poke me during the cycle16:39
Riddellit'll need a FFe of course16:40
dobeyCimi: you can install it now and check it if you like. the style is u1 branding though, not necessarily same as ubuntu16:40
ralsinaCimi: we are still in the process of testing the theming, but we have our own branding guidelines for Ubuntu One16:40
Riddellbut generally I find it nice that the world is discovering Qt, only 15 years after I did :)16:40
ralsinaRiddell: same here ;-)16:40
Cimiso basically, we will have one of the default apps that won't look consistent in Ubuntu?16:40
dobeyCimi: we already have that.16:41
RiddellCimi: Qt should pick up the GTK theme16:41
dobeyCimi: for varying definitions of 'consistency'16:41
ralsinaIt does pick the GTK theme to some point16:41
Riddell(unlike the opposide where GTK doesn't bother so our side has to implement it)16:41
CimiRiddell, and next cycle?16:41
CimiRiddell, when gtk+2 theme will be a bit deprecated?16:41
Cimithere's no qgtkstyle for Gtk+ 316:41
RiddellCimi: you mean Qt 5 support?  no idea yet but like the rest of Qt it's actively maintained16:41
CimiI have my concerns, just saying16:41
RiddellCimi: I know they're aware of it upstream16:42
ralsinaCimi: then there will be a problem. But P is a LTS so it has 5 years of gtk2 theme left in it16:42
Cimithanks for clarifying16:42
Riddellworth pointing out your needs, Qt like hearing from Canonical, I can give you contacts if you want to16:42
CimiRiddell, I have the most solid contact in Qt regarding theming16:43
ralsinaHere is a bug about this problem and motivation for the changeto Qt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-control-panel/+bug/93427016:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 934270 in ubuntuone-control-panel (Ubuntu) "We need to drop the current GTK+ UI in favor of the Qt UI" [Undecided,New]16:43
CimiJens Bache Wiig, a friend of mine16:43
Cimihe's the author of qgtkstyle, indeed16:43
skaetdobey,  what is the actual space needs like after the split?16:43
RiddellCimi: yeah but it might benefit from the "key stakeholder companies liason" guy knowing too16:43
CimiRiddell, I heard from him that nobody is working on a qgtkstyle for gtk316:44
Cimithings might have changed though16:44
dobeyskaet: it will be somewhere between 7 and 8 M, but I am saying 8 to be safe. currently pyqt4 requires a lot more16:44
Cimibut in case they didn't, we need to be aware that we might need to hire someone to work on that, if we want to support u1 at its bests16:44
RiddellCimi: so worth us going to the stakeholder contact16:44
dobeyas it pulls in other qt libs which aren't currently on CD16:44
CimiRiddell, dobey, ralsina thx. Let's keep in touch pls16:46
skaetdobey,  thanks.   pitti,  will we be able to get close after the langpacks cleaned up?  or still going to be painful?16:46
ralsinaCimi: I will. We at OLS tend to work in our little bubble a bit.  ;-)16:46
pittiskaet: right now, with a langpack refresh, we should be just about in size16:46
skaetthanks pitti.16:47
pittiseems we are still bigger than we should be16:47
pittineed to check Tuesday16:47
pittiperhaps old webkit is still on that image16:47
* skaet keeping fingers crossed.16:47
dobey18M over is pretty big. and i doubt langpack refresh will give us back 26M :-/16:48
dobeypitti: looks like it still is16:48
nessitahello all! I'm also Ubuntu One. May I ask if is there any chance to consider dropping some other packages from the CD, such as games, for example? I think that Ubuntu One adds an important value to Ubuntu, and I think that having it installed by default on CD is a key point to reaching new users...16:49
skaetThanks ralsina for bringing the topic up, and opening the discussion off.  Suspect more will continue now offline.  :)16:49
ralsinaskaet: ok then, let's do that :-)16:49
pittidobey: ok, will check next Tuesday16:50
skaetnessita,  if we're over the size limit,  there's going to be some discussions next week.    Hang out in #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-release.16:50
nessitaskaet: sure I will, thanks16:50
pittiwe sitll have the option of dropping python316:50
pittibut I'm not sure how happy foundations would be about that16:50
skaetheh,  and on that note....16:51
skaet[TOPIC] Desktop Team Q&A  - pitti16:51
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CimiI'm not that happy either16:51
pittiit's treating one extra runtime against another one, both huge packages for one package (lsb-release vs. control-panel)16:51
pittiunity 5.4 landed today at last16:51
pittiand we are getting very close with the apport whoopsie changes16:51
pittinothing else to add16:51
pitti(any more, discussions already happened)16:52
skaetThanks pitti. :)   Tuesday should be interesting.16:52
skaet[TOPIC] Unity Framework Team Q&A - dbarth16:53
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dbarthReport at the usual address: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ReleaseStatus16:53
dbarthessentially unity 5.4 now in precise, that's the big news for the day16:53
dbarthand we're looking forward to next week for a set of last UI changes prior to the freeze16:54
dbarthsee the schedule page i added in the report16:54
* skaet looking at the schedule...16:54
skaetdbarth,   when are the FFe planned to land.   all next week?16:55
dbarthskaet: HUD & LIM next week yes16:56
skaetcoverflow view?16:56
dbarthas they were there but not quality ready16:56
dbarthcoverflow, i don't know16:56
dbarthit's not very invasive, and is an optional view16:56
dbarthbut i'd rather get test before it's merged16:56
* skaet nods16:56
dbarththe week after, otherwise it'll be too late in the cycle16:56
skaetwe'll be in beta freeze then,  so please coordinate that one landing carefully with the release team.16:57
skaetthanks dbarth!16:58
skaet[TOPIC] Unity Services and Settings Team  Q&A - Cimi16:58
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CimihI GUYS16:58
Cimi[LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000855.html16:58
Cimiso, lots of releases for indicators16:58
Cimisame releases and work on touch16:58
Cimibut I'd like to put your attention to the FFe16:59
CimiI added them at the bottom of the mail16:59
* skaet appreciates them all being listed like that. useful. thanks.16:59
Cimiso, questions from you?17:00
Cimiespecially, on those exceptions?17:00
skaetthanks Cimi - yes,  when are they looking to land?17:00
CimiLIM together with unity17:01
Cimithe two touch stuff next week as well17:01
Cimioverlay scrollbars for accessibility maybe the week after, so again, in betafreeze17:01
CimiI need to check for the other two requests for indicator/gmenumodel17:02
Cimithe UIFe at the bottom, is instead a really important feature17:02
CimiI could do it in time for the UIF, but I'd rather use my time to guide unity towards the UIF (as it's more risky), and spend some time the week afterwards to complete the required change for light-themes17:03
Cimiis that fine for you?17:03
skaetThanks Cimi,  I'll follow up with you off line on the timings of some (beta freeze),  and we'll need to let the docs team know about the proposed UIFe...17:03
Cimiskaet, sure, though that particular change won't affect docs17:04
Cimiskaet, as it's a change that will apply on unfocused windows, so nothing will be subject to screenshots17:04
Cimiok, I'm done17:04
Cimithanks you all and congrats to all the team for the work done for the FF17:04
skaetCimi,  :)  if its not going to affect the screen shots,  less of an issue.  :)17:05
Cimiskaet, definitely not17:05
Cimiyw, my pleasure17:05
skaet[TOPIC] Kubuntu Team Q&A - Riddell17:05
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Riddellalso digikam 2.5 got in17:06
Riddellkubuntu-active CDs yet to be made but I should get onto that next week, it's very much "tech preview" so nothing official17:06
RiddellI'm the tech driver for beta 117:07
Riddelland my poor brain means I get in grumpy moods easily so beware :)17:07
skaetThanks Riddell!  :)17:07
skaetany FFe's on the horizon for Kubuntu?   and will Kubuntu-active CD make the beta 1 release?17:07
RiddellI don't know of any FFe's we'll need but they usually turn up17:08
RiddellKubuntu-active CD depends if I can work out the changes to scripts needed but it's just adapting the old kubuntu-mobile bits so I expect so17:08
skaetThanks Riddell.17:09
skaet[TOPIC] Edubuntu Team Q&A - stgraber17:09
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* stgraber waves17:09
stgraberjust a quick note to say that Alkis has been doing a lot of bug triaging today, so all of ltsp/ldm bugs should now have been moved upstream when needed or otherwise updated17:10
skaetthanks stgraber!  :)   and thanks Alkis!17:10
skaetstgraber,  and Edubuntu FFe's anticipated?17:10
stgrabernope, though it's not impossible we may have to file some when refreshing epoptes or ltsp17:11
stgraberthough both should only get bugfix releases at this point17:11
skaetgoodness.   Thanks!17:11
skaet[TOPIC] Xubuntu Team Q&A - madnick17:12
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skaet[TOPIC] Ubuntu Studio Team Q&A - scott-work17:13
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skaet[TOPIC] Lubuntu Team Q&A - gilir17:13
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gilirhi :)17:13
skaetThanks gilir.17:14
* skaet not seeing any FFe's know in the report... earlier the better though. ;)17:15
skaet[TOPIC] MOTU Team Q&A - tumbleweed or Laney17:15
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tumbleweedhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000868.html (after the meeting started, sorry)17:16
tumbleweedI forgot https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ebox/+bug/928501 thought17:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 928501 in ebox (Ubuntu) "Precise will ship totally broken ebox packages" [Undecided,Confirmed]17:16
skaetThanks tumbleweed!   Nice to get the summary like that.  :D17:16
tumbleweedwell, there were >0 items to summarise :)17:17
skaetLooking forward to the jam being scheduled.  :)17:17
skaetso scott-work17:17
skaets/so/go/  :)17:17
skaetany questions for tumbleweed or scott-work ?17:18
scott-worki believe it is worth noting that the lowlatency kernel was uploaded to new queue17:18
scott-workother than that, nothing else critical17:18
skaetThanks scott-work :)   any FFEs on the horizon?17:19
scott-worki would expect so, maybe two17:20
skaetok,  will follow up with you offline about timings, etc.17:20
scott-workcopy that17:20
skaet[TOPIC] Any other business, comments,  questions?17:20
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arosalesskaet: Is beta-1 testing now open17:21
skaetThis meeting has run late,  so I'll take my missing bits to the mail list,  and start the discussion there.17:21
skaetarosales,  beta-1 testing will open when we hit beta freeze - right now use the daily images.17:21
arosalesroger that, thanks for moderating skaet17:21
skaetThanks mlegris, jibel, mdeslaur, ogaswara, cjwatson, arosales, ogra_, fabo2, pitti, dbarth, Cimi, gilir,  scott-work,  tumbleweed, Riddell, dobey, nessitta, ralsina17:23
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meetingologyMeeting ended Fri Feb 17 17:23:25 2012 UTC.17:23
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pittithanks everyone17:23
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