[00:00] <pleia2> hi folks, just trying to round up one board member to get quorum, we'll start shortly :)
[00:03] <chilicui1> hi, ok, I'll stand by
[00:04] <cyphermox> hopefully it shouldn't be too long
[00:04] <lifeless> o/
[00:04] <cyphermox> hey lifeless
[00:04] <pleia2> ok great, let's go :)
[00:04] <cyphermox> okie dokie!
[00:04] <cyphermox> #startmeeting Americas Regional Membership Board
[00:04] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Feb 17 00:04:56 2012 UTC.  The chair is cyphermox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[00:05] <cyphermox> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the Americas meeting for February 16, 2012. The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas
[00:05] <cyphermox> yay, my date thing worked.
[00:05] <pleia2> :D
[00:05] <cyphermox> We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.
[00:05] <cyphermox> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[00:05] <cyphermox> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[00:06] <cyphermox> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[00:06] <cyphermox> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[00:06] <cyphermox> #voters cyphermox Pendulum pleia2 beuno n0rman greg-g dinda nhandler
[00:06] <meetingology> Warning: Nick not in channel: dinda
[00:06] <meetingology> Current voters: Pendulum beuno cyphermox dinda greg-g n0rman nhandler pleia2
[00:06] <cyphermox> Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...
[00:06] <cyphermox> is kdub here?
[00:06] <cyphermox> apparently not, my completion failed
[00:07] <cyphermox> what about caravena ?
[00:08] <cyphermox> continuing throught the list...
[00:08] <cyphermox> #subtopic Membership application for Chris Wayne (cwayne)
[00:08] <cwayne> hi!
[00:08] <cyphermox> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrisWayne
[00:08] <cwayne> Okay everyone, my name is Chris Wayne (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrisWayne)
[00:09] <cwayne> While I do quite a bit of work for Ubuntu within Canonical (QA'ing platforms that have gone on to ship in the millions around the world) I also contribute to the overall community on my own time
[00:09] <pleia2> that's great to see :)
[00:09] <cwayne> I frequent askubuntu answering questions that I'm able, as well as on reddit answering peoples questions, not only technical, but also questions about ubuntu in general
[00:10] <cwayne> such as (whats coming in the next unity, how is 12.04 alpha looking?, etc)
[00:10] <lifeless> I'm sorry about my adsl.
[00:10] <cwayne> i also always use the latest dev release and log bugs, have been logging bugs on unity since maverick
[00:11] <pleia2> nice
[00:11] <cwayne> and lastly, i act as sort of an unofficial liason to other communities, such as helping and advocating ubuntu to many in #webos (and am even working on an Ubuntu One webos app on my own time :))
[00:11] <cwayne> as well as convincing all my friends/acquantinces/family to switch to ubuntu (in fact many of them have :) )
[00:12] <lifeless> and back, sorry, adsl faaaaail
[00:12] <lifeless> telecom seem to hate my house midday at the moment
[00:12] <cwayne> well i guess that's enough about me, unless there's any questions
[00:12] <pleia2> thanks for having such a thorough wiki page
[00:12] <lifeless> last I saw was 13:06 < meetingology> Current voters: Pendulum beuno cyphermox dinda greg-g n0rman nhandler pleia2
[00:12] <cyphermox> lifeless: just a second
[00:13] <lifeless> catching up via irclogs.u.c
[00:13] <lifeless> which is out of date ><
[00:13] <cyphermox> http://paste.ubuntu.com/845187/
[00:13] <pleia2> lifeless: yeah, it only updates on the hour
[00:14] <pleia2> cwayne: how do you feel about the current software developer to software center workflow? does it work positively for developers?
[00:15] <cwayne> pleia2: honestly, i feel it could be more efficient
[00:15]  * pleia2 nods
[00:15] <cwayne> pleia2: i submitted an app (just a stupid pidgin emoticons theme type deal) and felt there was quite a delay before I heard anything (including whether or not the submission went through correctly)
[00:15] <pleia2> good to know
[00:16] <cwayne> pleia2: actually that reminds me, I've also reached out to developers (specifically of lenses) and tried to help them get their apps in the software center :)
[00:16] <cyphermox> ah, I'll let somebody know about this :)
[00:16] <pleia2> cwayne: yeah, I snagged that question via your wiki page, it's good to see people out there doing that
[00:16] <cyphermox> stgraber: if this is still up your alley ^^
[00:17]  * cwayne forgot that was on my page
[00:19] <cyphermox> #vote Chris Wayne to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[00:19] <meetingology> Please vote on: Chris Wayne to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[00:19] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[00:19] <pleia2> +1
[00:19] <meetingology> +1 received from pleia2
[00:19] <cyphermox> +1
[00:19] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[00:19] <Pendulum> +1
[00:19] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[00:20] <lifeless> heh, I missed the paste before, sorry.
[00:20] <lifeless> so I'll +0 as an uniformed person, but that won't affect you :)
[00:20] <lifeless> +0
[00:20] <pleia2> lifeless: we can wait if you want to take a moment to read it
[00:20] <lifeless> particularly if meetingology doesn't know I'm a voter yet
[00:20] <lifeless> ^^
[00:20] <cyphermox> #voters cyphermox Pendulum pleia2 beuno n0rman greg-g dinda nhandler lifeless
[00:20] <meetingology> Current voters: Pendulum beuno cyphermox dinda greg-g lifeless n0rman nhandler pleia2
[00:21] <lifeless> whats your askubuntu userid ?
[00:22] <cwayne> lifeless: http://askubuntu.com/users/21657/chris-wayne
[00:22] <lifeless> sure, +1
[00:22] <lifeless> +1
[00:22] <meetingology> +1 received from lifeless
[00:23] <cyphermox> yay
[00:23] <cyphermox> #endvote
[00:23] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Chris Wayne to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[00:23] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[00:23] <meetingology> Motion carried
[00:23] <pleia2> congrats and welcome cwayne!
[00:23] <cyphermox> congrats cwayne!
[00:23] <cwayne> \o/ thank you pleia2!
[00:23] <cwayne> thanks cyphermox :)
[00:23] <roadmr> congrats cwayne!
[00:23] <Pendulum> cwayne: congrats!
[00:23] <chilicui1> congrats cwayne =)
[00:23] <cyphermox> #subtopic Membership application for Daniel Manrique (roadmr)
[00:23] <cwayne> thanks roadmr lifeless and Pendulum :)
[00:23] <cyphermox> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielManrique
[00:24] <roadmr> Hello!
[00:24] <roadmr> I'm Daniel, a.k.a. roadmr (short for Roadmaster). My wiki page http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielManrique
[00:24] <roadmr> I'm a long-time Linux user, I started using (and got involved with) Ubuntu a few years ago. I've been working for Canonical for a bit over a year, so I get to tinker with Ubuntu on a daily basis.
[00:24] <roadmr> I try to help the project and community in various ways, such as answering questions, triaging and fixing bugs, translating, and anything I may be of assistance with. I'm also very involved with the Ubuntu Friendly community testing program and the related checkbox System Testing utility.
[00:25] <pleia2> how is Ubuntu Friendly going?
[00:26] <roadmr> pleia2: We see the most submissions right after release time, it's an asymptotic decrease
[00:26] <roadmr> pleia2: we are looking into ways of making testing more interesting/fun, which we hope will make more test submissions come in over time
[00:26]  * pleia2 nods
[00:26] <roadmr> Back in the early days I was heavily into Linux evangelism; I scaled back over the years, but recently I started getting a bit more involved, which has been great, as I like to help a "new generation" of Ubuntu and Linux users get the most out of free software.
[00:26] <pleia2> it's a great project, I'm really glad we have it now
[00:27] <roadmr> So that's me! I'll be glad to answer any questions you may have.
[00:27] <roadmr> pleia2: yes! there's still room for improvement, do expect some new things coming in 12.04 ;)
[00:27] <pleia2> thanks for such a thorough wiki page
[00:28] <cyphermox> #vote Daniel Manrique to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[00:28] <meetingology> Please vote on: Daniel Manrique to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[00:28] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[00:28] <cyphermox> +1  keep it up!
[00:28] <meetingology> +1  keep it up! received from cyphermox
[00:29] <Pendulum> +1
[00:29] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[00:29] <pleia2> +1
[00:29] <meetingology> +1 received from pleia2
[00:29] <lifeless> +1
[00:29] <meetingology> +1 received from lifeless
[00:29] <cyphermox> #endvote
[00:29] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Daniel Manrique to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[00:29] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[00:29] <meetingology> Motion carried
[00:29] <cyphermox> congratulations roadmr!
[00:29] <chilicui1> yeeei roadmr =)
[00:29] <Pendulum> congrats roadmr!
[00:29] <roadmr> Awesome :D thanks!
[00:30] <cwayne> hey congrats roadmr :)
[00:30] <pleia2> congrats and welcome roadmr :)
[00:30] <roadmr> thanks cwayne, pleia2, cyphermox, Pendulum! Gracias chilicui1 !
[00:30] <cyphermox> #subtopic Membership application for Javier Lopez (chilicui1)
[00:30] <cyphermox> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/~chilicuil
[00:30] <chilicui1> hi there, my name is Javier Lopez, aka chilicuil, I've been using ubuntu for 6 years now
[00:31] <chilicui1> I try to help when I can, notably when the average joe user (which in my opinion I'm part of it)
[00:32] <chilicui1> ehh, I work as a sysadmin in high school, where we've set up ubuntu as the main os
[00:32] <chilicui1> every 2 cicles I go crazy and give cd away to people in parks, zoo's or any public place
[00:32] <pleia2> always nice to see more folks deploying ubuntu in schools :)
[00:33] <chilicui1> I'm also organizating (not sure if it's the correct word) local UGJ
[00:33]  * pleia2 is browsing the photos
[00:33] <pleia2> very nice!
[00:33] <pleia2> planning one this time too?
[00:33] <cyphermox> indeed, this is great
[00:34] <chilicui1> pleia2: yep =)
[00:34] <pleia2> great!
[00:34] <chilicui1> u can find me in #ubuntu-es where I have a possition as op, I try to help as much as i can
[00:35] <chilicui1> u can see the rest in my blog and in the wiki
[00:35] <pleia2> nice to see your work with Dia del Usuario Ubuntu too :)
[00:36] <pleia2> hehe "Hug dholbach"
[00:36] <chilicui1> yep, that's my main target in ubuntu
[00:36] <cyphermox> chilicui1: can be arranged :)
[00:37] <pleia2> hope you can make it up to a UDS soon (next one is in California)
[00:37] <chilicui1> jojojo, I'd prefer to take it by suprise, }=)
[00:37] <pleia2> lol
[00:37] <chilicui1> pleia2: I'd like for I guess I wont make it this time, maybe the next one
[00:37] <chilicui1> but*
[00:38]  * pleia2 nods
[00:38] <cyphermox> #vote chilicui1 to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[00:38] <meetingology> Please vote on: chilicui1 to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[00:38] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[00:38] <pleia2> +1
[00:38] <lifeless> +1
[00:38] <meetingology> +1 received from pleia2
[00:38] <meetingology> +1 received from lifeless
[00:38] <cyphermox> +1
[00:38] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[00:38] <chilicui1> oWo
[00:38] <chilicui1> T____T I'll record this day for a long time
[00:38] <pleia2> :)
[00:38] <pleia2> much deserved
[00:39] <pleia2> Pendulum?
[00:39] <Pendulum> +1
[00:39] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[00:39] <cyphermox> #endvote
[00:39] <meetingology> Voting ended on: chilicui1 to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[00:39] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[00:39] <meetingology> Motion carried
[00:39] <pleia2> congrats, chilicui1! welcome!
[00:39] <chilicui1> woowow, amaziiiiing!, thanks!
[00:39] <Pendulum> chilicui1: congrats!
[00:39] <roadmr> chilicui1: Congrats! Felicidades!
[00:39] <chilicui1> roadmr: gracias ;)
[00:40] <cyphermox> #subtopic Membership application for Paul Belanger (pabelanger)
[00:40] <cyphermox> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaulBelanger
[00:40] <pabelanger> ohai!
[00:40] <cyphermox> hey!
[00:40] <cyphermox> a fellow canadian
[00:40] <pabelanger> My name is Paul Belanger, as the link says.  My wiki page is located at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaulBelanger
[00:40] <pabelanger> No doubt about it
[00:42] <pleia2> so, how good are you at debugging digium card problems? ;)
[00:42] <pabelanger> I'm currently an open source developer for the Asterisk project.  My goal is to help maintain the asterisk packages within ubuntu.  I help out triaging issue and providing patches when I can.  Additionally I've been helping with 12.04 recently with nagios, dahdi, puppet and nsca
[00:42] <pabelanger> pleia2: good, my back ground is telecommunications.  So looking at a debug log for that is not an issue
[00:43] <pleia2> I don't actually know the status if asterisk in Ubuntu (I do use it in Debian)
[00:43] <pabelanger> As from that, my next tasks are automation with puppet and openstack
[00:44] <pabelanger> pleia2: I actually help tzafrir on the pkg-voip team
[00:45] <pabelanger> Plus the obligatory helping people to start using Ubuntu for Desktop and Server environments
[00:46] <pabelanger> I'm happy to answer any questions too
[00:46] <pleia2> pabelanger: there don't happen to be any folks you've worked with in the Ubuntu community here, are there?
[00:46] <pleia2> it would be nice to see some testimonials from them
[00:47] <pabelanger> Mostly people in ubuntu-motu that helped me upload the packages
[00:47] <pabelanger> sponsorship
[00:48] <pabelanger> Guess I should have linked http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2012/02/16/ubuntu-12-04-development-update-14/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ubuntu-12-04-development-update-14 to my wiki too, but only found that a few hours aog
[00:48] <pabelanger> ago*
[00:49] <pabelanger> Under the 'First timers!' section
[00:49] <pleia2> cool
[00:49] <cyphermox> oh, nice!
[00:52] <pleia2> pabelanger: you clearly do a lot of really great work with open source (I use asterisk and nagios, so it's appreciated!) but I'd really like to see you move forward with involved with the Ubuntu-VoIP team and get some testimonials from developers you're working with in the Ubuntu community
[00:54] <pabelanger> I'm not sure who else to get involved with, since I appear to be the only person that will triage the issues for asterisk / dahdi.
[00:54] <broder> have you run into superm1 at all? i know he has a lot of blog posts about asterisk configuration; don't know whether he does any packaging maintenance
[00:54] <pabelanger> Like you mentioned, the Ubuntu-voip teams seems to be small / no active.  So, I'm just trying to help get it started
[00:55] <cyphermox> I'd have to agree to that, your involvement seems very development centric / related to bug triaage and such; so I'd possibly suggest working some more on that aspect, do a few more uploads and apply for Per-package upload rights before the Developer Membership Board.
[00:55] <pleia2> (Developer Membership Board gets you Ubuntu Membership too)
[00:55] <cyphermox> pabelanger: it doesn't have to be the Ubuntu-VoIP team, anyone can probably sponsor packages for you
[00:55] <pabelanger> broder: sadly no.  Most of my currently business is providing asterisk solutions on Ubuntu so I would be interested in seeing his work
[00:55] <cyphermox> so if you want to revive the ubuntu-voip team that's also great (we need good telephony)
[00:56] <pabelanger> So, I should be applying to the Developer Membership Board first, before this board?
[00:56] <pleia2> if you apply to the dev membership board you don't need to apply here
[00:57] <pleia2> I'd suggest going that route, since we don't really have the capacity to properly judge your packaging contributions
[00:57] <cyphermox> right. but they look for different things, but it seems like you've already well started involvement with teh Debian team, and some other uploads
[00:58] <pabelanger> I see, figured getting Ubuntu Membership first before applying to Developer Membership Board would be the preferred route
[00:58] <cyphermox> pabelanger: right
[00:59] <pleia2> yeah, no need to do that, dev membership includes ubuntu membership so with that you're all good
[00:59] <cyphermox> pabelanger: since we're in the same timezone feel free to ping me when you want if you have things to sponsor, I'll see how I can help (though that's normally not the kind of packages I focus on)
[01:00] <pabelanger> Okay then, feel free to -1 me and I'll do the Development Membership route
[01:00] <pabelanger> cyphermox: will do
[01:00] <cyphermox> OTOH, if you're interested in doing differently focused work in the community, I don't think there are still Ubuntu Hours in Ottawa, and we in Ubuntu-QC have been itching for a reason to visit for a while :)
[01:01]  * pabelanger nods
[01:01] <cyphermox> pabelanger: in this particular case we don't need to vote
[01:01] <pabelanger> I'm trying to review the asterisk user group, and start a openstack one too.  I'm sure we'll cross paths
[01:02] <cyphermox> there are no other applicants and we're out of time so I think we'll end this meeting now
[01:02] <pangolin> I +1 cyphermox' idea about visiting a ottawa UH
[01:02] <cyphermox> pabelanger: awesome.
[01:02] <cyphermox> pangolin: yeah, you'll clearly be coming with us to visit in the summer :)
[01:02] <cyphermox> #endmeeting
[01:02] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Feb 17 01:02:44 2012 UTC.
[01:02] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-17-00.04.moin.txt
[01:02] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-17-00.04.html
[01:03] <pangolin> cyphermox: absolutely, plus there is a awesome waterpark on the way there :)
[01:03] <pleia2> thanks everyone
[01:03] <roadmr> thanks all!
[01:03] <cyphermox> thanks all! :)
[01:03] <cwayne> thanks!
[01:03] <chilicuil> =)
[01:04] <cyphermox> and I'm off, my computer isn't allowing me to click anything anymore :)
[01:06] <roadmr> gnight all!
[15:54] <Riddell> does the release team meeting start at 16:00 or 16:30?
[15:57] <stgraber> Riddell: 16:00
[15:58]  * skaet waves at Riddell and stgraber.
[15:58] <stgraber> skaet: good morning
[15:59] <jibel> good morning everyone
[15:59] <skaet> good morning stgraber.  :)
[15:59] <arosales> Hello
[15:59]  * pitti waves
[16:00] <skaet> hello everyone,   looks like we have quorum emerging.  :)
[16:00] <skaet> #startmeeting
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Feb 17 16:00:05 2012 UTC.  The chair is skaet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:00]  * skaet just deleted her intro remarks...
[16:00] <skaet> hi everyone,  sorry about this.  cut/paste error on my part.
[16:01] <skaet> I'll reconstruct them and paste at end.
[16:01] <skaet> Agenda is in usual place
[16:02] <skaet> Thanks to everyone for getting the tested features in on time for feature freeze.
[16:02] <skaet> Upcoming Dates:
[16:02] <skaet> - 2012/06/23 - UserInterfaceFreeze
[16:02] <skaet> - 2012/06/23 - BetaFreeze at 2100 UTC
[16:02] <skaet> - 2012/02/02 - Beta 1
[16:02] <skaet> .
[16:02] <skaet> If time permits (ie. we end less than an hour), there will be a discussion at the end on some restructuring of this meeting,   possibly using an open forum for Q&A rather than explicit round table.   But for today,  we'll continue with round table.
[16:02] <skaet> ..
[16:02] <skaet> [TOPIC] Hardware Certification team update - mlegris
[16:03] <mlegris> 1 second please :)
[16:03] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000861.html
[16:04] <mlegris> arg she beat me to it
[16:04] <mlegris> so weekly testing hit a snag when we found a bug in bind9
[16:04] <mlegris> any questions?
[16:05] <mlegris> seeing none
[16:05] <mlegris> ..
[16:05] <skaet> mlegris,  not seeing the bind9 on your blocking list.   what's the bug number?
[16:05] <mlegris> skaet: it should be on the list I sent out, let me grab it
[16:05] <mlegris> bug 923685 Installing resolvconf causes loss of manually entered nameserver  information in resolv.conf
[16:05] <skaet> Thanks mlegris
[16:06] <mlegris> np :)
[16:06] <skaet> [TOPIC] QA team update -  jibel
[16:06] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000858.html
[16:06] <jibel> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000858.html
[16:06] <jibel> thanks
[16:06] <skaet> :)
[16:06] <jibel> (I messed up the date again sorry)
[16:07] <stgraber> mlegris: the bind issue is actually https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bind9/+bug/933723 (as noted in the last comment of 923685)
[16:07] <skaet> jibel,  np.  are all the images now working today after FF?
[16:07] <cjwatson> the boot speed testing issue is essentially fixed but needs a debian-installer upload to rebuild images
[16:07] <cjwatson> that one was my fault
[16:07] <jibel> skaet, yes
[16:08] <skaet> jibel,  :)
[16:08]  * skaet sends big THANK YOU to the teams landing tested features!!
[16:09] <skaet> [TOPIC] Security team Q&A - mdeslaur
[16:09] <mdeslaur> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000846.html
[16:09] <mdeslaur> nothing further to report
[16:09] <mdeslaur> any questions?
[16:09] <mdeslaur> ..
[16:09] <skaet> Thanks mdeslaur.
[16:09] <skaet> :)
[16:09] <mdeslaur> :)
[16:10] <skaet> any FFes needed for AppArmor?
[16:10] <skaet> (or have all the features landed now,  and its just bugs)
[16:10] <mdeslaur> skaet: yes, we'll need a FFe for the kernel changes
[16:11] <skaet> mdeslaur, ack.    thanks
[16:11] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kernel team Q&A - ogasawara
[16:11] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000847.html
[16:11] <ogasawara> I intend to upload our Beta-1 kernel today.  If there are any patches
[16:11] <ogasawara> which need to land, submit them immediately.
[16:11] <ogasawara> Questions?
[16:11] <ogasawara> ..
[16:12] <ogasawara> mdeslaur: jj pinged us to mention he hit a kitten killer with the apparmor patches so they'll be delayed.
[16:12] <skaet> Thanks ogasawara!
[16:12] <mdeslaur> ogasawara: ah, thanks
[16:12] <mdeslaur> poor kitten :)
[16:12] <skaet> any impact from the compiler change?
[16:12] <ogasawara> skaet: none that I'm aware.  but I'll be kicking off test builds shortly.
[16:12] <skaet> thanks
[16:13] <skaet> [TOPIC] Foundations team Q&A - cjwatson
[16:13] <cjwatson> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/canonical-foundations.html
[16:13] <cjwatson> Down pretty close to the trend line now.  We'll probably postpone quite a few Upstart-related work items, but aside from that the remaining items are either things that don't need to land in the archive or things that amount to bugs rather than feature work.
[16:13] <cjwatson> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000865.html
[16:13] <cjwatson> Questions?
[16:13] <cjwatson> ..
[16:13] <arosales> o/
[16:13] <skaet> yay,  re trend line.  :)
[16:13] <cjwatson> arosales:
[16:14] <arosales> cjwatson: lxc working better in your testing?
[16:14] <cjwatson> arosales: you'd have to talk to stgraber about that, but I haven't heard complaints
[16:14] <arosales> ok, I saw your update on new LXC with console/tty
[16:15] <skaet> cjwatson,  any ETA on apport crash database FFE?
[16:15] <arosales> good to know you haven't heard any large complaints though. :-)
[16:15] <stgraber> arosales: working pretty well, uploading a new upstart now that'll unlock a udev upload fixing some more LXC issues, but after that, it should be really good
[16:15] <stgraber> arosales: (the issue the udev fixes is the flood of udev event reaching the host when a container starts)
[16:16] <cjwatson> skaet: I don't have a specific ETA at the moment; https://code.launchpad.net/~ev/apport/whoopsie/+merge/92753 has been clearly getting there apace and I think they're mostly cleaning up test breakage now
[16:16] <cjwatson> skaet: the impression I had from ev was that it was likely to be days over the deadline rather than weeks
[16:16] <arosales> stgraber: thanks for the info. Server team is doing some more work with OpenStack juju related to LXC
[16:16] <skaet> thanks cjwatson.  :)  days is what I was hoping to hear.
[16:17] <arosales> cjwatson: stgraber: thanks
[16:17] <skaet> [TOPIC] Server team Q&A - arosales
[16:17] <pitti> argh, got disconnected
[16:17] <pitti> right, I'm talkign to ev now
[16:17] <arosales> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000867.html
[16:17] <pitti> still working out some regressions
[16:17] <pitti> there are a few UI warts to shake out, but I'm ok with fixing them a bit later
[16:17] <pitti> ETA mid next week
[16:18] <arosales> Apologies for the late post. Good amount of effort around Openstack, and automated testing. Also spent some time tracking down the use case for OpenMPI.
[16:18] <arosales> Any questions?
[16:18] <arosales> ..
[16:19] <skaet> Thanks arosales.  :)  /me looking at it now.
[16:19]  * arosales apologizes again for the late post
[16:19] <Daviey> Yeah, you are rubbish arosales :P
[16:19] <skaet> re:  OpenMPI - ETA on FFE?
[16:19] <arosales> totally :-/
[16:20] <cjwatson> pitti: ah, thanks for the specifics
[16:20] <arosales> skaet: Building right now. If not today (UK folks are working on it) then early next week.
[16:20] <skaet> arosales,  coolio.   Thanks.  :)   farther away from beta freeze,  happier I am.  :)
[16:21] <Daviey> There is a significant rbuild-depends right... that is the concern?
[16:21] <arosales> skaet: We are working to keep the linkage of OpenMPI 1.5 to 1.4 deps to lower the risk.
[16:21] <arosales> Daviey: right, thus we are trying to keep the linkage against 1.4
[16:21] <skaet> thanks arosales,  good to know.
[16:22] <skaet> [TOPIC] ARM team Q&A - ogra_
[16:22] <ogra_> nothing to add to my mail report :)
[16:23] <skaet> ogra_, congrats on making the switch to armhf!   good luck?
[16:23] <ogra_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000863.html
[16:23] <ogra_> btw :)
[16:23] <skaet> :)
[16:23] <pitti>  that means we should switch precise_probs and friends over to armhf now?
[16:23] <pitti> and move armel to testing_ports, etc
[16:23] <ogra_> thanks, we shouldnt need luck but vendors that rebuild their binary drivers ;)
[16:23] <arosales> orga: on that note, since amrel is now community maintained are most significant packages ready for armhf (given PRV driver is still coming)?
[16:23] <arosales> I guess that kind of answers it :-)
[16:24] <ogra_> arosales, PVR is coming and i think rsalveti talks to TI this week about PVR for omap3 too
[16:24] <ogra_> the only missing one is nvidia for the ac100 atm
[16:24] <arosales> thats not a bad list at all
[16:24] <skaet> ogra_,  :)  indeed.   any FFes looking likely (other than for the late drops from TI, etc.)?
[16:24] <ogra_> TI promised the panda PVR driver for next week (just in time)
[16:25] <skaet> :)
[16:25] <arosales> ogra_: thanks for the info.
[16:25] <ogra_> skaet, the d-i bits for armadaxp ... not surte that needs an FFe
[16:25] <ogra_> NCommander promised to have them ready today, but i didnt see him around since he said that :)
[16:25] <skaet> dbarth,  pitti, - any update on when GLES will be supported in compiz?
[16:26]  * pitti doesn't know, sorry
[16:26] <dbarth> skaet: i'm just talking with ogra
[16:26] <ogra_> skaet, we are waiting for a patch from linaro
[16:26] <dbarth> skaet: we're waiting for a linaro patch
[16:26] <dbarth> right
[16:26] <fabo2> it didn't happen as expected this week
[16:26] <ogra_> iirc i saw it mentioned in fabo's report
[16:26] <skaet> ogra_, re: armadaxp - ack.    GLES - okie.  :)
[16:27] <skaet> thanks ogra_
[16:27] <ogra_> linaro had their conference so they lag a bit ...
[16:27] <ogra_> ..
[16:27] <skaet> and on that note,  lets see if fabo's got some updates... ;)
[16:27] <skaet> [TOPIC] Linaro team Q&A - fabo
[16:27] <fabo2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000866.html
[16:28] <fabo2> sorry for missing last meeting and the late post
[16:28] <fabo2> this monthly cycle is short due to Linaro Connect, ELC and ABS
[16:29] <fabo2> less work has been delivered than usual
[16:29] <skaet> thanks fabo2.   yeah, busy month for you.  :)
[16:29] <fabo2> Graphics team wasn't able to fid time to tackle Compiz GLES patch as expected
[16:29] <skaet> fabo2,  any compiler issues known around the ARMHF side that we may need to pick up fixes for?
[16:29] <fabo2> it's re-scheduled for next week
[16:30]  * Riddell hears KDE has a great GLES compositor
[16:30] <fabo2> skaet: no issues in particular for armhf
[16:31] <fabo2> doko was at Connect and I believe he pushed latest release
[16:31]  * skaet nods
[16:31] <fabo2> any questions?
[16:31] <fabo2> ..
[16:32]  * skaet apologizes for asking questions before the ..  :/
[16:32] <skaet> Thanks fabo2!   I've asked mine.
[16:32] <fabo2> otherwise, we started to ask vendors for armhf builds, same boat as ogra_
[16:32] <fabo2> ..
[16:32]  * skaet nods
[16:33] <skaet> [TOPIC] Ubuntu One Team Q&A -  joshuahoover or ralsina
[16:33] <ralsina> skaet: and dobey, just in case ;-)
[16:34] <ralsina> I am not sure about procedure. Should I explain our case a bit?
[16:35] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000851.html
[16:35] <skaet> yes,  ralsina,  please explain your question.  :)   end with .. when you're finished.
[16:35] <ralsina> ok.
[16:35] <skaet> :)
[16:36] <ralsina> basically, we are moving to a Qt-based control panel, because we are now cross-platform (ubuntu and windows, mac is upcoming).
[16:36] <ralsina> So, to maximize usage ofour resources,we wanted to have the same codebase in all platforms. So, this cycle we are switchig to the Qt control panel on Ubuntu.
[16:37] <ralsina> In order to do that and still be on the CD, we did a certain amount of work to make space for ourselves and our dependencies
[16:37] <pitti> I assume you are aware of the problem that pyqt4 isn't on the ubuntu default install and it's not easy to add it?
[16:37] <pitti> (as it's huge)
[16:37] <ralsina> pitti: yes, I am aware, and it's not so huge anymore because dobey has split it
[16:38] <Riddell> he has?
[16:38] <ralsina> pitti: and we don't need all of it
[16:38] <dobey> it's still pretty big
[16:38] <Riddell> ScottK: ^^
[16:38] <ralsina> Riddell: he is, let's say
[16:38] <pitti> I thought s/has/meant to/
[16:38] <dobey> Riddell: i did some work to split it up more
[16:38] <dobey> Riddell: but it's not proposed yet
[16:38] <Riddell> dobey: ok please keep me and ScottK informed, ScottK is the guy who usually packages it and keeps it in sync with debian
[16:38] <ralsina> All things considered, I think we use about 8MB (right dobey?)
[16:38] <dobey> Riddell: will do
[16:39] <dobey> ralsina: yes
[16:39] <Cimi> did you test the theming on it?
[16:39] <ralsina> And that's about it, really. The question would be, what do we have to do, or has to be done, to stay in the CD.
[16:39] <ralsina> ..
[16:39] <Cimi> nobody poke me during the cycle
[16:40] <Riddell> it'll need a FFe of course
[16:40] <dobey> Cimi: you can install it now and check it if you like. the style is u1 branding though, not necessarily same as ubuntu
[16:40] <ralsina> Cimi: we are still in the process of testing the theming, but we have our own branding guidelines for Ubuntu One
[16:40] <Riddell> but generally I find it nice that the world is discovering Qt, only 15 years after I did :)
[16:40] <ralsina> Riddell: same here ;-)
[16:40] <Cimi> so basically, we will have one of the default apps that won't look consistent in Ubuntu?
[16:41] <dobey> Cimi: we already have that.
[16:41] <Riddell> Cimi: Qt should pick up the GTK theme
[16:41] <dobey> Cimi: for varying definitions of 'consistency'
[16:41] <ralsina> It does pick the GTK theme to some point
[16:41] <Riddell> (unlike the opposide where GTK doesn't bother so our side has to implement it)
[16:41] <Cimi> Riddell, and next cycle?
[16:41] <Cimi> Riddell, when gtk+2 theme will be a bit deprecated?
[16:41] <Cimi> there's no qgtkstyle for Gtk+ 3
[16:41] <Riddell> Cimi: you mean Qt 5 support?  no idea yet but like the rest of Qt it's actively maintained
[16:41] <Cimi> I have my concerns, just saying
[16:42] <Riddell> Cimi: I know they're aware of it upstream
[16:42] <ralsina> Cimi: then there will be a problem. But P is a LTS so it has 5 years of gtk2 theme left in it
[16:42] <Cimi> ok
[16:42] <Cimi> thanks for clarifying
[16:42] <Riddell> worth pointing out your needs, Qt like hearing from Canonical, I can give you contacts if you want to
[16:43] <Cimi> Riddell, I have the most solid contact in Qt regarding theming
[16:43] <ralsina> Here is a bug about this problem and motivation for the changeto Qt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-control-panel/+bug/934270
[16:43] <Cimi> Jens Bache Wiig, a friend of mine
[16:43] <Cimi> he's the author of qgtkstyle, indeed
[16:43] <skaet> dobey,  what is the actual space needs like after the split?
[16:43] <Riddell> Cimi: yeah but it might benefit from the "key stakeholder companies liason" guy knowing too
[16:44] <Cimi> Riddell, I heard from him that nobody is working on a qgtkstyle for gtk3
[16:44] <Cimi> things might have changed though
[16:44] <dobey> skaet: it will be somewhere between 7 and 8 M, but I am saying 8 to be safe. currently pyqt4 requires a lot more
[16:44] <Cimi> but in case they didn't, we need to be aware that we might need to hire someone to work on that, if we want to support u1 at its bests
[16:44] <Riddell> Cimi: so worth us going to the stakeholder contact
[16:44] <dobey> as it pulls in other qt libs which aren't currently on CD
[16:46] <Cimi> Riddell, dobey, ralsina thx. Let's keep in touch pls
[16:46] <skaet> dobey,  thanks.   pitti,  will we be able to get close after the langpacks cleaned up?  or still going to be painful?
[16:46] <ralsina> Cimi: I will. We at OLS tend to work in our little bubble a bit.  ;-)
[16:46] <pitti> skaet: right now, with a langpack refresh, we should be just about in size
[16:47] <skaet> thanks pitti.
[16:47] <pitti> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20120217/
[16:47] <pitti> hmm
[16:47] <pitti> seems we are still bigger than we should be
[16:47] <pitti> need to check Tuesday
[16:47] <pitti> perhaps old webkit is still on that image
[16:47]  * skaet keeping fingers crossed.
[16:48] <dobey> 18M over is pretty big. and i doubt langpack refresh will give us back 26M :-/
[16:48] <dobey> pitti: looks like it still is
[16:49] <nessita> hello all! I'm also Ubuntu One. May I ask if is there any chance to consider dropping some other packages from the CD, such as games, for example? I think that Ubuntu One adds an important value to Ubuntu, and I think that having it installed by default on CD is a key point to reaching new users...
[16:49] <skaet> Thanks ralsina for bringing the topic up, and opening the discussion off.  Suspect more will continue now offline.  :)
[16:49] <ralsina> skaet: ok then, let's do that :-)
[16:49] <ralsina> ..
[16:50] <pitti> dobey: ok, will check next Tuesday
[16:50] <dobey> ok
[16:50] <skaet> nessita,  if we're over the size limit,  there's going to be some discussions next week.    Hang out in #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-release.
[16:50] <nessita> skaet: sure I will, thanks
[16:50] <pitti> we sitll have the option of dropping python3
[16:50] <pitti> but I'm not sure how happy foundations would be about that
[16:51] <skaet> heh,  and on that note....
[16:51] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Team Q&A  - pitti
[16:51] <Cimi> I'm not that happy either
[16:51] <pitti> it's treating one extra runtime against another one, both huge packages for one package (lsb-release vs. control-panel)
[16:51] <pitti> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000853.html
[16:51] <pitti> unity 5.4 landed today at last
[16:51] <skaet> :)
[16:51] <pitti> and we are getting very close with the apport whoopsie changes
[16:51] <pitti> nothing else to add
[16:52] <pitti> (any more, discussions already happened)
[16:52] <pitti> ..
[16:52] <skaet> Thanks pitti. :)   Tuesday should be interesting.
[16:53] <skaet> [TOPIC] Unity Framework Team Q&A - dbarth
[16:53] <dbarth> Report at the usual address: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:53] <dbarth> essentially unity 5.4 now in precise, that's the big news for the day
[16:54] <dbarth> and we're looking forward to next week for a set of last UI changes prior to the freeze
[16:54] <dbarth> see the schedule page i added in the report
[16:54] <dbarth> ..
[16:54]  * skaet looking at the schedule...
[16:55] <skaet> dbarth,   when are the FFe planned to land.   all next week?
[16:56] <dbarth> skaet: HUD & LIM next week yes
[16:56] <skaet> coverflow view?
[16:56] <dbarth> as they were there but not quality ready
[16:56] <dbarth> coverflow, i don't know
[16:56] <dbarth> it's not very invasive, and is an optional view
[16:56] <dbarth> but i'd rather get test before it's merged
[16:56]  * skaet nods
[16:56] <dbarth> the week after, otherwise it'll be too late in the cycle
[16:57] <skaet> we'll be in beta freeze then,  so please coordinate that one landing carefully with the release team.
[16:57] <dbarth> yup
[16:58] <skaet> thanks dbarth!
[16:58] <skaet> [TOPIC] Unity Services and Settings Team  Q&A - Cimi
[16:58] <Cimi> hI GUYS
[16:58] <Cimi> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000855.html
[16:58] <Cimi> so, lots of releases for indicators
[16:58] <Cimi> same releases and work on touch
[16:59] <Cimi> but I'd like to put your attention to the FFe
[16:59] <Cimi> I added them at the bottom of the mail
[16:59]  * skaet appreciates them all being listed like that.   useful.  thanks.
[17:00] <Cimi> :-)
[17:00] <Cimi> so, questions from you?
[17:00] <Cimi> especially, on those exceptions?
[17:00] <skaet> thanks Cimi - yes,  when are they looking to land?
[17:00] <skaet> :)
[17:01] <Cimi> LIM together with unity
[17:01] <Cimi> the two touch stuff next week as well
[17:01] <Cimi> overlay scrollbars for accessibility maybe the week after, so again, in betafreeze
[17:02] <Cimi> I need to check for the other two requests for indicator/gmenumodel
[17:02] <Cimi> the UIFe at the bottom, is instead a really important feature
[17:03] <Cimi> I could do it in time for the UIF, but I'd rather use my time to guide unity towards the UIF (as it's more risky), and spend some time the week afterwards to complete the required change for light-themes
[17:03] <Cimi> is that fine for you?
[17:03] <skaet> Thanks Cimi,  I'll follow up with you off line on the timings of some (beta freeze),  and we'll need to let the docs team know about the proposed UIFe...
[17:04] <Cimi> skaet, sure, though that particular change won't affect docs
[17:04] <Cimi> skaet, as it's a change that will apply on unfocused windows, so nothing will be subject to screenshots
[17:04] <Cimi> ok, I'm done
[17:04] <Cimi> thanks you all and congrats to all the team for the work done for the FF
[17:04] <Cimi> ..
[17:05] <Cimi> *teams
[17:05] <skaet> Cimi,  :)  if its not going to affect the screen shots,  less of an issue.  :)
[17:05] <skaet> thanks!
[17:05] <Cimi> skaet, definitely not
[17:05] <Cimi> yw, my pleasure
[17:05] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kubuntu Team Q&A - Riddell
[17:06] <Riddell> hi
[17:06] <Riddell> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000860.html
[17:06] <Riddell> also digikam 2.5 got in
[17:06] <Riddell> kubuntu-active CDs yet to be made but I should get onto that next week, it's very much "tech preview" so nothing official
[17:07] <Riddell> I'm the tech driver for beta 1
[17:07] <Riddell> and my poor brain means I get in grumpy moods easily so beware :)
[17:07] <Riddell> ..
[17:07] <skaet> Thanks Riddell!  :)
[17:07] <skaet> any FFe's on the horizon for Kubuntu?   and will Kubuntu-active CD make the beta 1 release?
[17:08] <Riddell> I don't know of any FFe's we'll need but they usually turn up
[17:08] <Riddell> Kubuntu-active CD depends if I can work out the changes to scripts needed but it's just adapting the old kubuntu-mobile bits so I expect so
[17:09] <skaet> Thanks Riddell.
[17:09] <skaet> [TOPIC] Edubuntu Team Q&A - stgraber
[17:09]  * stgraber waves
[17:09] <stgraber> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000849.html
[17:10] <stgraber> just a quick note to say that Alkis has been doing a lot of bug triaging today, so all of ltsp/ldm bugs should now have been moved upstream when needed or otherwise updated
[17:10] <stgraber> ..
[17:10] <skaet> thanks stgraber!  :)   and thanks Alkis!
[17:10] <skaet> stgraber,  and Edubuntu FFe's anticipated?
[17:11] <skaet> *any
[17:11] <stgraber> nope, though it's not impossible we may have to file some when refreshing epoptes or ltsp
[17:11] <stgraber> though both should only get bugfix releases at this point
[17:11] <skaet> goodness.   Thanks!
[17:12] <stgraber> np
[17:12] <stgraber> ..
[17:12] <skaet> [TOPIC] Xubuntu Team Q&A - madnick
[17:13] <skaet> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Studio Team Q&A - scott-work
[17:13] <skaet> [TOPIC] Lubuntu Team Q&A - gilir
[17:13] <gilir> hi :)
[17:14] <skaet> :)
[17:14] <gilir> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000862.html
[17:14] <gilir> ..
[17:14] <skaet> Thanks gilir.
[17:15]  * skaet not seeing any FFe's know in the report... earlier the better though.  ;)
[17:15] <skaet> [TOPIC] MOTU Team Q&A - tumbleweed or Laney
[17:15] <tumbleweed> hi
[17:16] <skaet> :)
[17:16] <tumbleweed> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000868.html (after the meeting started, sorry)
[17:16] <tumbleweed> I forgot https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ebox/+bug/928501 thought
[17:16] <scott-work> \o
[17:16] <tumbleweed> ..
[17:16] <skaet> Thanks tumbleweed!   Nice to get the summary like that.  :D
[17:17] <tumbleweed> well, there were >0 items to summarise :)
[17:17] <skaet> Looking forward to the jam being scheduled.  :)
[17:17] <skaet> so scott-work
[17:17] <scott-work> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000850.html
[17:17] <skaet> s/so/go/  :)
[17:18] <skaet> any questions for tumbleweed or scott-work ?
[17:18] <scott-work> i believe it is worth noting that the lowlatency kernel was uploaded to new queue
[17:18] <scott-work> other than that, nothing else critical
[17:18] <scott-work> ..
[17:19] <skaet> Thanks scott-work :)   any FFEs on the horizon?
[17:20] <scott-work> i would expect so, maybe two
[17:20] <skaet> ok,  will follow up with you offline about timings, etc.
[17:20] <scott-work> copy that
[17:20] <scott-work> ..
[17:20] <skaet> [TOPIC] Any other business, comments,  questions?
[17:21] <arosales> skaet: Is beta-1 testing now open
[17:21] <skaet> This meeting has run late,  so I'll take my missing bits to the mail list,  and start the discussion there.
[17:21] <skaet> arosales,  beta-1 testing will open when we hit beta freeze - right now use the daily images.
[17:21] <arosales> roger that, thanks for moderating skaet
[17:23] <skaet> Thanks mlegris, jibel, mdeslaur, ogaswara, cjwatson, arosales, ogra_, fabo2, pitti, dbarth, Cimi, gilir,  scott-work,  tumbleweed, Riddell, dobey, nessitta, ralsina
[17:23] <skaet> #endmeeting
[17:23] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Feb 17 17:23:25 2012 UTC.
[17:23] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-17-16.00.moin.txt
[17:23] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-17-16.00.html
[17:23] <pitti> thanks everyone
[17:23] <Cimi> thanks
[17:28] <mdeslaur> thanks