[00:00] Ahh.. got it. / was set to 700, needed to be 755 permissions [00:00] :D [00:00] Silly me [00:00] how did that happen? [00:00] did you not copy permissions over? [00:00] i need sleep [00:00] good night, and thanks for help :) [00:00] popey, I did.. but I copied to /media/SSDbuntu [00:00] Where SSDbuntu is where I mounted the new drive [00:01] I'm guessing the permissions issue arose there? [00:01] how did you copy? [00:02] sudo cp -afv /path/to/src/* /path/to/dst [00:02] Did I do bad? [00:03] Path to dst was SSDbuntu in /media, created by root [00:03] then mounted [00:03] If I let Ubuntu mount it itself maybe there wouldn't be this issue.. I dunno. [00:04] She's all-singing, all-dancing... time to benchmark this SSD [00:04] Now that / is on it [00:05] Whoa, okay, things are marginally slower than when the drive was raw [00:05] 0.2ms access, 215MB/sec average read - not bad! If only I had SATAIII 6.0Gbps.. [00:06] * hamitron looks at his empty sataIII ports [00:06] using IDE [00:06] :/ [00:06] Oh dear, how come hamitron? [00:07] too tight to buy another drive till that one breaks [00:07] ;) [00:07] haha [00:08] I was too, but then I decided it was time to start upgrading a little... treat myself, you know? [00:08] i want a new pc [00:08] but child on the way, and still paying off the wife's pc... :/ [00:08] Christ... what did you buy her? [00:08] I'm starting to just not care about hardware specs, so long as it works [00:09] * hcfd pats his humble Q6600/8GB/3TB machine and wishes he had an i5 with 16GB [00:09] I still not got quad core [00:09] :/ [00:10] hamitron, ah me too.. for the most part. Gear lust never goes away though. However, this SSD was a good purchase considering my HDDs are the slowest part of the system, and always in use. Widening the bottlenecks is always a good idea. [00:10] yeh [00:10] I don't do much on the hdd in this PC [00:10] I have way more CPU than I need and just about enough RAM [00:11] hcfd er... i5 2500, radeon 6970, 120G SSD, 8G RAM, blu-ray burner. other odds & sods [00:11] I'm still a huge fan of less cores, but higher clock speeds [00:11] :) [00:11] Also got 43Meg FTTC service.. so.. yeah, 3TB isn't enough storage.. but I'm trying to get used to being able to stream stuff vs download to disk [00:11] * hamitron dribbles [00:12] hamitron, best of both! I almost bought a C2D rather than a C2Q.. but this thing was, at one point, clocked to 3.4GHz and ran fine. [00:12] 3.4GHz x 4 cores is kinda nice [00:12] yeh [00:12] i only get 27M from my FTTC [00:12] "only" [00:12] :| [00:12] hah [00:12] 8M up though [00:13] Me too [00:13] And trust me, 'only' 27M is awesome [00:13] infinity? [00:13] Yeah [00:13] yeah [00:13] if that is available to homes, is it available for businesses too? [00:13] hamitron, yes [00:13] bt sucks though. e.g. they automatically opt you in to using your homehub as a public openzone hotspot [00:14] I work at a place with 2xInfinity... ie: 90Meg down, 16Meg up... and another place had 45Meg down, 8Meg up.. like myself :) [00:14] I shall wrap tin foil around it >:| [00:14] directhex, you can turn that shit off can you not? [00:14] Or.. don't use the hub [00:14] Infinity means you have a modem and separate 'hub' [00:14] you can't disable it on the hub anymore [00:14] Just put the hub in the bin and replace with Crisco! [00:15] you have to use their homehub? [00:15] Don't have to [00:15] guess not [00:15] :) [00:15] I am, in fact [00:15] you can only disable it via the bt fon account page [00:15] hamitron: any high-end cable router [00:15] hamitron: or replace both devices with a vdsl router [00:15] \o/ [00:15] reckon a WRT54GL will handle it? [00:15] No [00:15] I doubt [00:15] hamitron: hm, doubt it [00:15] no? :| [00:15] hamitron: old kit. designed for the 8M down days [00:15] Broadcom 200MHz [00:15] pfah [00:16] well, will have to give it a go [00:16] ;) [00:16] I use ddwrt on one for WAP but that's about it [00:16] again, too tight to upgrade if "it works" [00:16] ;) [00:16] Would replace the BT hub except I'm moving soon [00:16] hah, my thoughts exactly hamitron [00:16] I *will* replace it the port forwarding turns out to be a pile of crap [00:17] the load is always 0.00 I find [00:17] Going to utilise my upstream soon with a couple of services... My flippin VPS host is crap [00:17] even on 5mbit with 3500 connections [00:17] ;) [00:17] sometimes get 0.05 [00:17] Hmm [00:18] My WRT is a piece of crap then [00:18] I had to disable UPnP to get it working right [00:18] disabled QoS too [00:19] but who uses them? ;) [00:20] Hmm [00:20] Load avg: 0.13, 0.05, 0.01 [00:20] 0.9MB RAM free [00:20] I only have *2* wireless clients. [00:20] oh, I disabled wireless too [00:20] haha [00:20] 110 active connections [00:20] Uptime 40 days [00:20] hmm [00:21] Linksys WRT54G/GL/GS [00:21] Time: 00:21:08 up 1 day, 51 min, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 [00:21] It's a GS [00:21] Is that crap? [00:21] dunno [00:21] Seems like a pile of crap :D [00:22] not the worst if it runs dd-wrt [00:22] Oh.. yeah.. actually, my main workstation is cabled to it too. Forget I took my Gigabit switch elsewhere for the timebeing [00:22] s/Forget/Forgot [00:22] Now to move some data around on this SSD [00:23] 3514 connections [00:23] :-o [00:23] I like to try keep that below 2000 [00:25] hcfd, do you use QoS? [00:25] No [00:26] I've got 43M down baby! [00:26] ;0 [00:26] :) [00:26] just that adds a lot to the load on the cpu [00:26] hcfd, so your wrt54g handles 43M down fine? [00:28] aye, I know what you're saying [00:29] No no.. I have line == modem == BTHomeHub3 == eth to WRT ---> devices [00:29] It can handle 43M fine on the 100Meg switch inside [00:29] Wifi is still 802.11b/g.. and a bit 'meh [00:29] No modem in the model I have [00:30] BTHomeHub3 is in another building, serving a bunch of wireless devices.. about 4-6 or so [00:31] The WRT is usually just for wireless in this building for a couple of devices, but as my Gigabit switch is elsewhere... I'm using the WRT switch for other things atm [00:31] ah [00:32] :) [00:32] It's kind of funny that my LAN setup is so crappy [00:33] I have a bunch of 2950s and 3550s here for messing with [00:33] tbh, I find my P120 comp faster as a router, compared to the wrt54gl [00:33] But I don't use them on my LAN [00:33] I imagine it would be.. What are you running on it, some flavour of BSD? [00:33] it was slackware [00:34] Yay for Slackware! [00:35] I used it as my desktop distro for many years before I realised I was being silly and that Ubuntu is about a million times more sane (on the desktop) [00:36] I'm just starting to give up on ubuntu tbh [00:36] it is good, just not what I need atm [00:36] my newer machines may run 12.04 when it comes out [00:36] will see [00:36] :) [00:36] * hcfd nods [00:37] What kind of work do you need your distro to do? [00:37] I need it to work [00:37] Stop updating it! [00:37] on a wide range of hardware [00:37] heh [00:37] hehe [00:38] I'm running 2.6.32-28-generic-pae since.. ages ago [00:38] 8.04 was the last version I found worked well on everything I got [00:38] True that [00:38] 10.10 was a mess [00:38] I stopped trying after that [00:38] but it isn't a distro targeting what I got [00:38] 10.04.4 LTS is in good shape for me [00:38] I use 10.04 on a few of my machines [00:38] Looking forward to 12.04 but again I won't be hurrying to switch.. not until I have a few days free to iron stuff out [00:39] hamitron: really concerned about 12.04 :/ [00:39] but trying slackware 13.37 now, and loving it [00:39] directhex, why? [00:39] migrating a dozen non-technical users, many of whom don't even work in the office, onto a totally alien experience from 10.04 [00:39] hamitron, I haven't tried slack since... what was the version with the Tazmanian devil instead of Tux? 13.0? [00:39] heck, I don't even know what to be worried about..... not even tried unity ;) [00:40] Unity is for the bin. [00:40] didn't realise slackware had changed the logo? something to do with a smoking ban? :D [00:40] directhex: are you putting it in at work? [00:41] is unity THAT different? [00:41] hamitron: nontechnical users throw a shit fit if an icon changes colour. [00:42] guess it means staff training :/ [00:42] daftykins: well people are on 10.04 now, so 12.04 is the upgrade path [00:42] :/ [00:43] I'm guessing not so much will change for me.... I use LXDE [00:43] and most people I've trialed LXDE on, prefer it to Gnome [00:43] :) [00:43] brb, rebooting to test new home partition [00:44] gl [00:44] :) [00:50] it's so totally time for bed [00:51] that or coffee [00:55] Yay! [00:55] /dev/sdb1 46G 7.4G 37G 17% / [00:55] /dev/sdb1 46G 7.4G 37G 17% / [00:55] er [00:55] /dev/sdb2 63G 28G 33G 47% /home [00:56] sdb is the SSD? [00:56] Yes [00:56] cool :) [00:56] Now to clear out some cruft in /home [00:56] And take my VMs off of /dev/md1 and move to SSD [00:57] +150MB/sec speed boost [00:59] Okay XP SP3 Performance Edition, show me what you got! [00:59] Uhm.. [00:59] Okay, so that was 6 seconds [00:59] hahaha :D [00:59] can hardly expect windows to be "high performance" [00:59] ;/ [00:59] * hcfd needs a tissue [00:59] True that [00:59] But.. 6 seconds.. fuck me [00:59] unless you are female and sexy, no ty [01:00] ;/ [01:02] Time to see what MacOSX's boot time is [01:02] hamitron: don't be picky :P [01:03] ;) [01:03] you should know I like things to be perfect, by how much I complain [01:04] hamitron, this is the internet, you can pretend I'm either one of these two: http://tinyurl.com/89kygsa :p [01:04] hamitron: that or the OS bugs you put up with ;) [01:04] daftykins can be the other then [01:04] ;D [01:05] * daftykins pouts [01:05] at least I'm sick of KDE now [01:05] hah [01:06] hamitron, it took you more than a minute to hate it? :D [01:06] hcfd: it's time we went shopping, grab the trolley? [01:06] 2 weeks [01:06] I like to give things a fair test [01:07] still torn between LXDE and fluxbox [01:07] probably LXDE is best, as newbs can work it better [01:07] g'night all [01:07] nn daftykins [01:08] don't sty up too late now [01:08] :> [01:08] late? [01:08] the night is young ;/ [01:08] it's mah birthday and i'll sleep if i want to ;D [01:08] night daftykins [01:08] grats [01:08] :) [01:08] Happy birthday :) [01:08] cheers :) [01:08] * daftykins disappears [07:32] aloha [07:54] morning [07:58] TheOpenSourcerer: hows you? [07:59] Good thanks czajkowski :-D - You are being especially nice. What's up? [07:59] Oh yes, how are you too? [08:03] good thanks [08:05] Morning all [08:06] ahh good other people have the same bug as me https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-power/+bug/933466 [08:06] Launchpad bug 933466 in indicator-power "Power icon doesn't show charging or draining" [Critical,In progress] [08:07] Morning all [08:13] Morning [08:25] I see apple have decided to drop the subtlety === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [09:11] hmm, thunderbird is broken for me today [09:11] i just get an empty window [09:11] popey: I thought you are on gmail anyway [09:12] personal mail is, work mail is thunderbird [09:19] popey, thunderbird --safe-mode then disable addons and it will work. then enable all cept the erm messaging menu [09:19] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/933951 [09:19] Launchpad bug 933951 in thunderbird (Ubuntu Precise) "Messaging menu extension interacts badly with lightning in precise making thunderbird unusable" [High,Fix released] [09:21] morning all [09:21] mornin [09:21] Happy Friday, everyone! :) [09:21] friday yay.. [09:21] is it too early for a beer ? [09:21] * buzz_ has been working all night.. [09:24] Did someone say beer? [09:24] yeh sorry [09:24] IT'S FRIDAY :-D:-D:-D [09:24] mmmbeer [09:24] \o/ [09:28] haha, fixed 12 mins ago [09:28] if anyone wanted to write a greasemonkey script that moves the close button in the google plus image viewer thing to the left, i would be very happy ;) [09:28] thanks buzz_ [09:28] np honey [09:28] if you see the bug, i was there just earlier saying "help" :) [09:28] * popey marks a dupe [09:43] That is uber cool: http://gizmodo.com/5885610/night-snowboarding-in-an-led-suit-is-mesmerizing-to-watch [09:48] TheOpenSourcerer, that is awesome [09:49] morning all [09:50] bigcalm: told you I'd live through a night in a restaurant with czajkowski [09:57] * bigcalm groans and rolls out of bed [09:57] davmor2: you were very well behaved ;) [09:57] That was a top notch evening. Glad to have been invited [10:07] Does anyone know of a way to hardware accelerate md5 or sha? [10:09] daubers, write an opencl md5/sha hasher? [10:09] it wouldn't be that hard [10:10] gord: Might come to that I think [10:10] though depending on your situation, you might not get the speed boost you want [10:10] disk access speed isn't a problem [10:11] I need to find a way to hash a file (create a recomputable unique ID for a file not based on it's name) in no more than a minute [10:11] File can be upto ~50GB [10:12] can you read 50gb in a minute? [10:12] Yes [10:12] then i don't see why you can't do it on the cpu [10:12] It's not quick enough [10:12] md5 really isn't an intensive algorithm [10:13] Dunno why, but it takes forever [10:14] probably just the implementation you are using [10:15] does it have to be based on every single bit of the file? [10:15] It has to be unique enough to differntiate files [10:15] how different are the files? [10:16] would it be two big videos, identical except for a couple of frames? [10:16] More than likely video files, might be relativley similar [10:17] AlanBell: Any interest in this comment http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/news/government-anticipates-5-billion-cash-savings-year "£140 million saved by demanding – for the first time – a rigorous business case for any significant ICT spend and only allowing it where it is absolutely necessary to bring government in line with standard business practices." [10:19] yeah, it is interesting [10:20] I don't think the government is a good customer though [10:20] they are going to remain dependent on the SIs [10:35] daubers: sha256 is the core of bitcoin, there are a LOT of very fast GPU implementations of it now. you do need an AMD GPU though [10:35] * oimon has turned his back on unity due to irreconcilable differences :( [10:36] AlanBell: You going to one of these BCS Awareness events? http://www.flax.co.uk/blog/2012/02/17/searching-and-finding-open-source-in-uk-government/ [10:37] you will probably have difficulty streaming the 50GB to the GPU fast enough to hash it tbh [10:37] popey: You know how VM are upgrading everybody for free? Had a letter this morning saying they were putting an extra 4.70 per month onto our bundle :( [10:37] oh dunno, might do [10:38] bigcalm: yeah, i got that too [10:38] you got upgraded to the newer price bracket for free! [10:38] The fudgers [10:38] Heh [10:48] ali1234: Hmm.. might have a bit of a dig around [10:48] good morning everyone. [10:51] daubers: is this just a simple "are these files the same" test? ie it's not required to be secure? [10:51] https://plus.google.com/hangouts/efb76e490d7a775ece7eaaef205a927866a16594?authuser=0&hl=en&source=1# [10:51] fun ☺ [10:51] daubers: what i mean is you are not worried about people intentionally generating collisions [10:52] popey: you're inviting us to the hangout? [10:52] yeah, why not [10:52] ☺ [10:52] we're testing [10:53] latest ubuntu has broken my pseye webcam :( can't play [10:54] ali1234: Yes, pretty much [10:55] * bigcalm spies a pirate [10:57] any gnome shell users know how to get the tomboy icon to appear in the icon tray ? [11:00] oimon: I thought their icon tray was more locked down than Unity's so you probably can't [11:01] davmor2, hmm. not a show stopper but rather annoying. maybe there's some gconf thing i can do [11:01] oimon: i have tomboy automaticlly starting, here, just use the startup config app, to get it to start, [11:02] brobostigon, what about the icon in the tray? [11:02] oimon: it is there. [11:02] oh [11:02] i start it by hand, and it isn't there [11:02] weird. no idea then. [11:02] it's in the notifications "backup tray" at the bottom instead [11:03] otherwise i think i might be happy with gnome shell going forward [11:04] using docky instead of the gnome window chooser [11:05] out of the box shell is a fail, but after tweaking it can be made useful [11:06] first thing i changed, was to have the full date and 24hr clock, in the calendar thingie, in the top center. [11:31] i got the google calendar appearing in the planner, which is nice [11:33] oimon: it takes that info via evolution if i remember. [11:33] hiya. i have problem with bbc iplayer. its stops playing after few minutes. any other flash player working fine. [11:34] brobostigon, i don't have evo installed, i use a script to do the checks [11:34] oimon: ah, interesting, i didnt know that was possible. [11:35] brobostigon, http://maketecheasier.com/integrate-google-calendar-into-gnome-shell/2011/10/04 [11:35] although "open calendar fails" [11:35] i don't need that bit [11:35] thank you oimon [11:36] i also use the gmail checker extension [11:36] which is great [11:42] Oooh - BBC Micro 2 is coming: http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/news/raspberry-pi-to-run-bbc-micro-2/ :-D [11:45] brobostigon, how many screens you have? [11:47] oimon: screens ? [11:48] TheOpenSourcerer: "cross platform IDE based on eclipse" [11:48] i can't imagine anything more different from the original [11:48] Yeah - I know. But it is about learning. [11:48] java, eclipse, 256mb ram... [11:49] and an arm CPU [11:49] that's going to work well [11:49] oimon: my eeepc has one screen, yes. [11:50] brobostigon,, i wask asking because switching desktops only works on my left screen. didn't know if that was design [11:50] oimon: ah, i see, no idea, good question. [11:50] popey: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2012/feb/17/lego-launch-minecraft-sets [11:54] popey: eh......... did you get thunderbird back working this morning [11:55] czajkowski: tis easy, in terminal type thunderbird -safe-mode [11:55] brobostigon, http://gregcor.com/2011/05/07/fix-dual-monitors-in-gnome-3-aka-my-workspaces-are-broken/ however i may keep the current setting to keep thunderbird always on the right workspace [11:55] oimon: ok, interesting, [11:56] urgh, academics :( [12:01] Need some help. I'm trying to connect to a ubuntu server (via teamviewer, office network) which is responding to ping, but not SSH or samba. It's 300 miles away and there are noobs at the other end [12:01] CaMason: poke popey until he finishes making trublr [12:01] They had a power cut and the machine isn't coming up properly [12:02] so what state is it in? [12:02] it's probably doing an extremely long disk check? [12:02] how can I tell? [12:02] you can't [12:03] you have to ask the people who can actually see it [12:03] it's apparently been powered on all morning [12:03] "what's on the screen" [12:03] There's no screen on it. Asking them to hook one up now [12:04] which leads me to another topic... why are IP KVMs so damn expensive?? [12:04] CaMason: IPMI in motherboards is your friend [12:07] I'm amazed that there isn't a common low-level basic KVM system on motherboards [12:08] CaMason: That's what IPMI is supposed to be [12:09] hmm the sum of the square of a normalised signal always = the number of samples [12:10] i didn't expect that [12:10] i suppose it makes sense, when you think about it [12:10] afternoon [12:13] i've discovered that i never visit a browser bookmark after bookmarking a site [12:36] https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/187985 [12:36] oimon: Clearly wasn't a very good book. [12:38] czajkowski: yeah, unity sucks, we know :) [12:39] ali1234: No, it does not. [12:43] ali1234: it doesnt and mind your language === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [13:18] davmor2, bigcalm: I asked at the hotel about co-working. I said £75 per day was a bit too much and asked if they could do us a deal. They said they could do it for £30 per person, which includes lunch and coffees/teas throughout the day. I'm not sure that's going to work for me, particularly when Light House is around a tenner including lunch and drinks. [13:19] mrevell: no that's still a bit steep [13:20] davmor2, It's also more than £75, if there's more than two of us, so it seemed a bit back to front. [13:21] kind of defeats the purpose, eh [13:21] yeah, weird [13:21] the thought occurs that they're going to be doing naff all trade during a midweek day *anyway* [13:22] mrevell: indeed, I think it was more of a...£30 is as cheap as we could go per person, oh well that's cheaper than 75 bargain [13:22] that they've got a couple of people sitting fairly visibly in their cafe at all will help trade [13:22] :) [13:22] never mind that you're actually going to be buying stuff [13:22] tell them you'll blog about it on planet ubuntu ☺ [13:25]