[08:33] <Kilos> heehee hee
[08:34] <Kilos> hiya inetpro i have just installed aptoncd. hit me this morning
[08:34] <Kilos> hi superfly and everyone else
[08:35] <superfly> morning Kilos!
[08:35] <Kilos> hi charlvn are you the Charl in the lists
[08:36] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm...
[08:36] <Kilos> inetpro, dunno if its great minds think alike or fools never differ
[08:37] <inetpro> it is one of those apps that is no longer working so nicely on oneiric
[08:37]  * Kilos wonders if there isnt some file in update-manager that keeps record of what it has updated
[08:37] <inetpro> the restore part seems to be broken
[08:37] <Kilos> that sucks inetpro 
[08:38] <Kilos> but with lots of help i will keep maverick alive and kicking here
[08:38] <Kilos> just need to get a maverick server cd
[08:38] <inetpro> but if you know how to put the repo into the sources.list you should be able to get by without the gui restore option
[08:39] <Kilos> i think restore still works on maverick
[08:39] <Kilos> will need to change drives to check
[08:39] <inetpro> try it out and let us know how it goes
[08:40] <Kilos> doing partitions as in the lpi course hampers me on the 6g drive
[08:40] <Kilos> rdyncing /var/cache/apt/archives fill the /root somehow
[08:41] <Kilos> and root is 3g
[08:41] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[08:41]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:41] <Kilos> i dont think ubuntu is a good distro to practise lpi on unless one has a large drive
[08:41] <Kilos> ooo
[08:42] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[08:42] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[08:42] <inetpro> Kilos: the ideal solution would be to have a vm to play on
[08:42] <Kilos> Maaz, with cremora
[08:42] <Maaz> Ah! At last someone with taste
[08:42]  * inetpro lol
[08:43] <Kilos> Maaz, with milk
[08:43] <Maaz> Yay Kilos You aren't one of those skinny guys that needs to drink black coffee to cast a shadow
[08:43] <Kilos> i tried virual box here but wouldnt work inetpro 
[08:43] <Kilos> the fly said pc no up to it
[08:45] <Kilos> was quite a laugh to do aptoncd then come online here and then be asked why im not using aptoncd
[08:45] <Kilos> hehe
[08:45] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[08:46] <Kilos> Maaz, thank you so much kind bot
[08:46] <Maaz> Kilos: my pleasure
[08:59] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie oom
[08:59] <Maaz> inetpro: Sorry...
[09:04] <Kilos> hah
[09:04] <Kilos> hes a young bot
[09:06] <Kilos> i go try aptoncd restore on 6g. be good guys
[10:38] <Kilos> inetpro, with a new installed os, you put the aptoncd cd in the cdrom/dvdrom and it should bring up a window that asks if it can open with package manager. tick ja then it will open synaptic package manager. tick mark all upgrades which here was 356m worth then tick apply and its all done
[10:39] <Kilos> im on the 6g now
[10:40] <inetpro> Kilos: easy yes if you burn the aptoncd to a cd/dvd but not quite so simple if you just copy the iso from one system to another
[10:40] <Kilos> i plugged in the external and went packsM and then installed xchat-common lib sexy and xchat with the software centre with no internet connected
[10:41] <Kilos> oh no you gotta burn the cd
[10:41]  * inetpro can't remember when last I burnt a cd
[10:41] <Kilos> thats why its called aptoncd not apt from iso
[10:42] <Kilos> hehe
[10:42] <inetpro> Kilos: that is where the apt-move thing would be perfect for me
[10:42] <inetpro> just one simple command and no gui
[10:43]  * inetpro loves simplicity
[10:43] <inetpro> will have to figure how we can get that thing working again
[10:43] <Kilos> yay then you can tell me sometime what command to use. i have read it over and over but as you know i sukkel some with converting man pages to the actual deed
[10:44] <Kilos> lol not simple for me
[10:44] <Kilos> i put it in a mail to charl this morning
[10:45] <Kilos> there is a link to the man page with some more in the explanation
[10:45] <Kilos> will chat later, gonna go off 6g again
[10:46] <Kilos> but looks like if apt-move works like aptoncd then with those 2 i should be able to use maverick foreeeeever
[10:49]  * Kilos deserves a cuppa
[10:49] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[10:49]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[10:50] <Kilos> dLimit, you the ols squire?
[10:50] <Kilos> *old
[10:51] <dLimit> Lol yes Kilos 
[10:52] <Kilos> whew something i membered
[10:53] <Kilos> drussell, are you on our mailing list?
[10:53] <Kilos> good morning
[10:53] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[10:53] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[10:53] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[10:53] <drussell> Kilos: hmm don't think so.... /me see's the url in the channel subject
[10:53] <drussell> sees even
[10:53] <drussell> Kilos: will subscribe :o)
[10:53] <drussell> Kilos: morning btw :o)
[10:53] <Kilos> lol you at canonical hey?
[10:54] <Kilos> hi darksurferza 
[10:54] <darksurferza> hi
[10:54] <drussell> Kilos: yup, just got back from a few days in Denmark visiting a partner, back home now ;o)
[10:55] <Kilos> drubin, how much influence do you have with the big nobs
[10:55] <darksurferza> interesting. been a unix fan boy for well over 7 years now and this is the first time i am connecting to this channel
[10:55] <Kilos> wow darksurferza thats a while
[10:55] <Kilos> you never needed help?
[10:56] <darksurferza> needed lots of help
[10:56] <darksurferza> just never found this channel before
[10:56] <Kilos> this is the place to get it
[10:57] <darksurferza> cool. noted
[10:57] <Kilos> you shoulda started with the za mailing list for help and someone would have told you about #ubuntu-za
[10:57] <darksurferza> i assume the topic is all thing ubuntu?
[10:57] <Kilos> mainly yes
[10:57] <Kilos> and sometimes hows things onna farm
[10:57] <darksurferza> cool
[10:58] <darksurferza> lol
[10:58] <drussell> Kilos: hehe some... but not loads ;o)
[10:58] <inetpro> darksurferza: welcome to #ubuntu-za
[10:58] <Kilos> i think one get help here with most linux probs because some of the guys try everything
[10:59] <darksurferza> well, anyone know where i can get some good reading on linux kernel and package developement?
[10:59] <darksurferza> looking for some ubuntu and gnome specific docs if possible
[10:59] <Kilos> drussell, how would i go about asking them to keep just the maverick update function alive forever
[11:00] <Kilos> darksurferza, have you tried google
[11:00] <Kilos> Maaz, google ;inux kernel developement
[11:00] <Kilos> eish
[11:00] <inetpro> Kilos: talk to sabdfl and friends at #ubuntu-meeting
[11:00] <Maaz> Kilos: "Linux Kernel Development: Getting Started" http://www.xenotime.net/linux/mentor/linux-mentoring.pdf :: "Linux Kernel Newbies" http://kernelnewbies.org/ :: "Linux kernel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel :: "The Linux Kernel Archives" http://www.kernel.org/ :: "Linux Kernel Development - Google Code" http://stid.googlecode.com/files/Linux.Kernel.Development.3rd.Edition.pdf :: "Linux Kernel 
[11:01] <Kilos> will try them ty inetpro 
[11:01] <darksurferza> tried. looking for someone to say: "i've tried this and it is good", as apposed to me trying everything until my will to live is exhausted
[11:01] <inetpro> Kilos: or try the #ubuntu-community-team 
[11:01] <Kilos> lol darksurferza see the above links
[11:02] <darksurferza> thanks for the links. anyone tried and aprove them? or is this the "this should be good source"?
[11:02] <Kilos> or be patient here, someone will give you the right info
[11:03]  * inetpro goes back to work some more
[11:03] <Kilos> Maaz, google linux package developement
[11:03] <Maaz> Kilos: "Software Development on Linux" http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialSoftwareDevelopment.html :: "Linux C++ Software Development" http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialC++.html :: "Linux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux :: "Debian Linux Install GNU GCC Compiler and Development ..." http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-install-gnu-gcc-compiler/ :: "CentOS Linux Install Core D
[11:03] <inetpro> wbbl
[11:03] <Kilos> enjoy inet ty again
[11:04] <Kilos> darksurferza, we have a guy here who is on the ubuntu dev team so he should be able to point you in the right direction
[11:05] <Kilos> hes not actively online at the mo tho
[11:05] <drussell> Kilos: hmm, it's really unlikely, what's the reason you'd want that?
[11:05] <darksurferza> oh, crud, was just about to send an UPPERCASE broadcast asking politely for ubuntu dev guys to make themselves known...
[11:06] <Kilos> drussell, my pc cant do unity and i dont have data to do all the updating and installing of new stuff
[11:07] <darksurferza> anyway, these resources should fill in all the free time i have between working, studying, and brewing beer at home
[11:07] <Kilos> drussell, there must be many peeps out there with older pcs
[11:07] <darksurferza> tasty past time might i add
[11:07] <Kilos> lol
[11:07] <drussell> Kilos: can't handle unity2d either?
[11:08] <Kilos> drussell, i tried 11.04 and had so many hassles that i came back to maverick which works great here
[11:09] <darksurferza> Well i have a samsung netbook with the bear minimum amount of ram and unity 2d works fine.
[11:09] <darksurferza> what problem are you having?
[11:09] <drussell> Kilos: hmm, unity2d has improved a lot, and to be honest, either that, or something even lighter like xfce is going to be the best way for you to go
[11:09] <Kilos> and i have all my archives saved so can do clean installs if necessary without breaking the bank
[11:10] <drussell> Kilos: at least when 12.04 comes out you can keep it running for 5 years on the desktop ;o)
[11:10] <drussell> Kilos: yeah, the data is tricky...
[11:10] <Kilos> i tried xubuntu drussell but not my cuppa
[11:10] <Kilos> i love gnome
[11:11] <drussell> Kilos: unfortunately, gnome 2.x is slipping away into a coma never to return
[11:11] <Kilos> yes drussell but if i have everything saved here i should be able to go on indefinitely with maverick
[11:12] <drussell> Kilos: you can, but the updates will stop and there will be no security fixes
[11:12] <Kilos> its just with a clean install that first sudo apt-get update thats needed
[11:13] <drussell> Kilos: both for canonical and the community, it's just too much work to support non lts releases for any longer than their scheduled lifetime
[11:13] <darksurferza> Kilos, you tried enlightenment or even window maker?
[11:14] <drussell> Kilos: also we can't really support something long term when the upstream has died, we'd need to do all the engineering work ourselves (canonical+community_
[11:14] <drussell> darksurferza: I love enlightenment, I try it out once every few years :o)
[11:15] <drussell> darksurferza: http://bodhilinux.com/
[11:15] <darksurferza> me too, but then KDE comes along with shiny buttons, and now unity (that actually works)
[11:16] <darksurferza> soz, unity made me do a kde remix for the 10.X releases
[11:16] <darksurferza> the bodhi release is awesome, just a little maturing, then i will switch.
[11:17] <darksurferza> (ok, a lot of matuirng)
[11:17] <Kilos> drussell, does update not just show my OS what is available
[11:17] <Kilos> like existing packages
[11:18] <Kilos> darksurferza, no data to spare for other goodies
[11:18] <Kilos> use mobile broadband donations to keep going
[11:18] <drussell> Kilos: you could order/get a CD from a magazine for 12.04 to at least try it, then start with updates fom 12.04 onwards?
[11:20] <Kilos> drussell, i am sure one of the guys will supply me with a cd but then its 100s of megs data again
[11:20] <darksurferza> oh, if bodhi really wants to be cool, then they should allow people to click on the "desktop of the week" and make their desktop like that. ie, bundle it as a theme/package bundle?
[11:20] <darksurferza> kilos, what data plan are you on? maybe a switch?
[11:21] <Kilos> pay as you go
[11:21] <darksurferza> which provider?
[11:22] <Kilos> vodacom or 8ta
[11:23] <drussell> darksurferza: you're right, that would be a stunning feature
[11:23] <drussell> Kilos: have you heard of debdelta?
[11:23] <darksurferza> crud, vodacom has the most expensive data at the moment. is the 8ta 10Gb deal not an option?
[11:25] <darksurferza> drussel, is that like the fedora package delta thing? think its called presto or something
[11:26] <Kilos> nope drussell what is that
[11:27] <drussell> darksurferza: yup
[11:27] <drussell> Kilos: it's a method of just downloading the diffs on updates, rather than whole updates
[11:27] <drussell> Kilos: it's not mainstream in ubuntu yet
[11:27] <drussell> Kilos: but sounds perfect for what you're facing...
[11:28] <drussell> Kilos: so instead of a libreoffice update needing to download 100's of MB, it just downloads the differences between the package you have, and the update
[11:28] <drussell> Kilos: recombines them on your machine, and applies the update
[11:29] <drussell> Kilos: bit of an old link, but good summary https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-in/2009-September/006049.html
[11:29] <Kilos> will look at it ty drussell 
[11:30] <Kilos> i dont even use office. just xchat pidgin and mail
[11:32] <Kilos> and epiphany for the odd link
[11:34] <darksurferza> kilos, have you looked at http://www.8ta.co.za/plans/2gbpromo/
[11:35] <darksurferza> 149 zars for 3 Gbs
[11:35] <darksurferza> well, 2 + 1
[11:35] <darksurferza> if you're on the 8ta network (not roaming on mtn)
[11:36] <Kilos> roams here i think
[11:37] <Kilos> darksurferza, some of the guys are doing lpi Q+A classes if you interested
[11:37] <Kilos> you young hey?
[11:38] <darksurferza> crums. well then R149 for 2 Gb then. should cover a full download and updates
[11:38] <darksurferza> young... that is relative
[11:38] <Kilos> haha
[11:38] <Kilos> relative to what
[11:39] <darksurferza> young when compared to Nelson Mandela, or young when compared to Justin Bieber?
[11:40] <darksurferza> Anyway, i dont think we need to be bias on the grounds of age. I am "young", and interested in the LPI. who, where, how much
[11:40] <Kilos> free
[11:40] <Kilos> Maaz, lpi manual
[11:40] <Maaz> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual
[11:41] <Kilos> i need to be on my other drive to give you the other info
[11:41] <darksurferza> sweet
[11:41] <darksurferza> when, how.... etc?
[11:41] <Kilos> join the sa mailing lists
[11:41] <Kilos> i will be back now now
[11:42] <Kilos> just installed here to use this drive for practising on
[11:46] <darksurferza> surprised I dont see mark clarke on here (@mxc4). He is quite the linux zeolot. Think he is a LPI tutor if I am not mistaken.
[11:47] <Kilos> darksurferza, http://linux-studies.za.net/
[11:48] <darksurferza> crums. its real slow. who is hosting?
[11:48] <Kilos> one of the guys
[11:49] <Kilos> and the Q+A is on #linux-studies tuesday nights
[11:50] <Kilos> what irc client are you using
[11:51] <darksurferza> mmm, on his home machine? I got a VPS in the UK and can offer hosting if need be. maybe ask the hoster to give me a shout next time we are both online
[11:51] <darksurferza> at home, xirc. right now, one of those internet irc proxy things. 
[11:52] <Kilos> arent you using ubutnu
[11:52] <Kilos> windows
[11:54] <darksurferza> windows and linux at work, and linux at home. corperate software suite determines my work OS.
[11:54] <superfly> My VPS is currently experiencing some issues. I'm currently looking into them.
[11:54] <superfly> Also, MediaWiki needs some serious optimisation.
[11:55] <Kilos> darksurferza, superfly is our resident python expert
[11:55] <Kilos> will be giving python after the lpi course is done
[11:55] <darksurferza> superfly, cool. If you need a hosting partner, just shout, my honeypots can be put to more effective use....
[11:57] <superfly> darksurferza: it's usually OK, just something seems to be up with my VPS at the moment... probably one of the Django apps *grrr*
[11:57] <darksurferza> no issues. Invitation stands for the forseable future.
[11:58] <superfly> seems to be a little better now
[12:00] <darksurferza> yip. whats with the 2c3d at the top of http://linux-studies.za.net/wiki/Linux_Studies:Current_events ?
[12:00] <darksurferza> oh, and the floating zero on the right hand side?
[12:00] <darksurferza> sorry, other right.... :(
[12:01] <Kilos> hehe
[12:01] <superfly> it's probably kbmonkey trying to embed a Google Calendar
[12:01] <superfly> he asked me to install some extension the other day
[12:03] <Kilos> darksurferza, here is the study groups mail addy
[12:03] <Kilos> linux-studies@googlegroups.com
[12:04] <darksurferza> just subscribed now.
[12:05] <Kilos> you might need to wait for the second site verification mail 
[12:05] <Kilos> its a manual accept
[12:05] <darksurferza> used the blank email to linux-studies+subscribe@googlegroups.com option. trying to keep all my subs in one mailbox.
[12:07] <Kilos> nice meeting you darksurferza ill be back tonight\
[12:07] <Kilos> later all
[12:44] <inetpro> hmm...
[12:46]  * inetpro wonders why kilos ignored drussell about the 8ta suggestions
[12:46] <inetpro> think he may have missed it in between other talk
[12:46] <drussell> inetpro: not my suggestions, but yeah, darksurferza had some good ideas
[12:47] <drussell> inetpro: I'd hate to be stuck at the end of such a low bandwidth/expensive link :o(
[12:47]  * drussell is lucky enough to have 100MBit fibre to his home
[12:48] <inetpro> yikes!
[12:48] <inetpro> drussell: that is very unfair
[12:48] <inetpro> :-(
[12:49] <drussell> inetpro: went to a hotel in Taipei... had gigabit internet... I could literally download from fast local mirrors at 1000mbit
[12:49] <drussell> inetpro: now that's insane
[12:50]  * inetpro goes back to work, sulking 
[12:51] <inetpro> to be honest I think kilos needs that 10gig subscription from 8ta
[12:51] <inetpro> even myself I need it
[12:51] <inetpro> the sad part about it is that it is for a fixed 24 months
[12:51]  * inetpro hates contracts
[12:52] <tumbleweed> superfly: hrm, the ubuntu-za website DB is at 77MB
[12:52] <inetpro> tumbleweed: what!?
[12:53] <inetpro> what would be taking up 77MB?
[12:57] <darksurferza> gentle-peeps, I must be off to bottle beers, If all goes well, and we (physically) cross paths again, free beer at the crossing.... :)
[12:57] <tumbleweed> inetpro: I'm guessing spam:P
[12:58] <inetpro> must be
[12:59] <tumbleweed> 19MB of comments, 14MB of sessinos
[12:59] <drussell> darksurferza: sounds like a plan ;o)
[13:00] <darksurferza> drussell, you in JHB?
[13:03] <darksurferza> crud, must be off. Chat another time. cheers
[13:04] <drussell> darksurferza: nope UK
[13:04] <drussell> darksurferza: cu!
[14:45] <Kilos> whats ubuntu calistoga
[14:47] <Kilos> gou maak inetpro storm kom
[14:51] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[14:51]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[14:52] <Kilos> Maaz, and grandpas
[14:52] <Maaz> Try hitting your head against a brick wall Kilos
[14:55] <Kilos> Maaz, hurry
[14:55] <Maaz> Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed
[14:55] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[14:55] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[14:55] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[14:56] <Kilos> Maaz, later
[14:56] <Maaz> Chow for now Kilos See you soon
[18:03] <Kilos> evening guys and gal
[18:09] <Kilos> inetpro, hierdie kan baie spaar as ons dit kan opstel
[18:09] <Squirm> hello
[18:09] <Kilos> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-in/2009-September/006049.html
[18:09] <Kilos> illl paste what i did can someone check if its right please
[18:10] <Kilos> hiya Squirm 
[18:11] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21NQTKgVe
[18:11] <Kilos> slexy is flying tonight
[18:11] <Kilos> drussell, that looks like a winner for mobile broadband users
[18:11] <Kilos> ty
[18:12] <drussell> Kilos: yvw
[18:12] <Kilos> hope it does the same with linux kernels and headers
[18:13] <Kilos> hi frozty_sa long time no see
[18:15] <Kilos> hehe
[18:38] <Kilos> drussell, are you from here before
[18:38] <Kilos> another nick maybe
[18:38] <drussell> yup, it's me, am at a hotel with crap wifi, so seems to keep dropping
[18:38] <Kilos> hi sakhi_ 
[18:39] <Kilos> peeps complain all over the world about hotels wifi
[18:39] <drussell> Kilos: yup it works the same way for kernels and headers also
[18:39] <Kilos> wow drussell that will save a fortune
[18:40] <drussell> Kilos: I actually met the main developer last year http://mennucc1.debian.net/ @ UDS
[18:40] <Kilos> like i have blocked the last 210m of upgrades
[18:40] <Kilos> blocked/stopped
[18:41] <Kilos> why didnt you tell me this 2 years ago
[18:42] <drussell> Kilos: hehe didn't know you then ;o)
[18:42] <Kilos> does one just change the last bit in that conf file
[18:42] <Kilos> hehe
[18:43] <Kilos> and i think we can get past that update bit with aptoncd
[18:44] <Kilos> nuvolari, lewe jy nog?
[18:46] <Kilos> Maaz, announce 5 days to our monthly meet hey guys
[18:46] <Maaz> Announcement from Kilos! 5 days to our monthly meet hey guys
[19:19] <Kilos> Squirm, you still using broadband mobile
[19:19] <Kilos> ?
[19:20] <Squirm> work internet :)
[19:20] <Kilos> at home?
[19:20] <Squirm> mmhmm
[19:20] <Kilos> lekker to have work internet hey
[19:22] <Squirm> yeah
[19:22] <Squirm> live on the property
[19:22] <Squirm> uncapped 4mb line
[19:22] <Kilos> great
[19:22] <Kilos> wonderful, 
[19:28] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[19:43] <Kilos> me gotta crash. night all
[19:43] <Kilos> Maaz, cheers
[19:43] <Maaz> May the force be with you Kilos
[19:43] <Kilos> hehe