[00:01] <DaemonFC> GNOME and KDE have been notorious for breaking xscreensaver and reimplementing it half-assedly over the years
[00:01] <DaemonFC> now GNOME doesn't support screensavers at all
[00:11] <artao> DaemonFC: interesting. thx
[00:11] <artao> bassturds
[00:11] <artao> hopefully a more modern gfx card works better : \
[00:12] <artao> should be less than a month ... lookin quite forward to GPU rendering with 3D apps .. blender specifically
[00:13] <artao> how can they mess up something as fricken SIMPLE as screensavers?!?!?
[00:13] <artao> ... and if it's know, not fix it ... even worse
[00:13]  * artao shakes his head
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[00:13] <artao> i wonder if ...
[00:15] <artao> ... does electricsheep work?
[00:17] <artao> OH! wait!!!!
[00:17] <artao> AAGGGHHHH!!!
[00:17] <TorpedoSkyline> artao: what happened? =D
[00:17] <artao> the gorram fricken <grumble>>grumble> xscreensaver daemon WASN'T RUNNING!!!
[00:18] <artao> i typed 'screen' into the app-search box, and noticed TWO screensaver configuration tools
[00:18] <artao> ran the 2nd listed, and it warned me that 'xscreensaver daemon isn't running. start it now?' and i did and now screensavers work fine
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[00:19] <artao> ./grumble repeat
[00:19]  * artao shakes his head
[00:19] <artao> ok ... how do i make sure that is fricken running when i start my session?
[00:20] <artao> ... also, anyone know how the heck i configure the electricsheep screensaver? it doesn't show up in the screensavers list .. seems to run as its OWN daemon ... but i can't find a settings panel for it anywhere
[00:21] <artao> !electricsheep
[00:21] <artao> nope
[00:21] <artao> !screensaver
[00:21] <artao> neither
[00:22] <artao> ahhh the joyz of linux configuration =] =] =]
[00:23] <artao> errr ... only PARTLY working i see
[00:24] <artao> the 2nd listed settings panel (labled 'change screensaver properties') shows screensaver full-screen previews fine
[00:25] <artao> the other -- labled 'screensaver settings' -- does NOT display full-screen previews right
[00:25] <artao> hmmm
[00:26] <artao> ... i guess i don't really care anymore ... this is frustrating and rapidly becoming boring
[00:26] <artao> anyhow, i don't really turn screensavers on, i just kinda like browsing thru 'em as there's some pretty cool ones in there ... PLUS it's personally irritating that part of my system isn't functioning properly regardless whether i USE it or not ....
[00:27] <artao> ... and i missed 1/2 my tv episode now f-in with this pointless issue ... as i'm streaming, i can go back
[00:27] <artao> l8r
[01:13] <jerry__> hi,anyone knows a good vim irc channel?
[01:33] <mel> What's the main purpose of the 'dummy packages'?
[02:06] <deusr> hi
[02:06] <deusr> I'm installing Linux on a hospital, I installed KDE 4.7. I want to know if anyone knows how to catch all the KDE environment, PLSMA, so that users can not make changes.
[05:39] <jmichaelx> is there any kind of kde/qt mpd client in the repos (or anywhere else for that matter)?
[05:44] <almoxarife> mpd?
[05:44] <almoxarife> jmichaelx: mpd?
[05:57] <jmichaelx> almoxarife: music player daemon
[11:05] <clupus> Hello everyone!
[11:06] <clupus> Is here someone who knows something about kubuntu on usb live stciks?
[11:13] <mydogsnameisrudy> what you trying to do clupus
[11:13] <orated> clupus: Hello. What about it? I've tried them lot of time, I can try to help
[11:13] <clupus> I want the following:
[11:13] <clupus> I just created such a live usb stick. All right, it works. It is intended to give a windows user the chance of using
[11:13] <clupus> some nice linux programs. Now if I start the stick I am always asked wheather I am wiling to install kubuntu. Of couse
[11:13] <clupus> I am not. Is it possible to avoid this message. Second thing is coming soon.
[11:13] <FloodBotK1> clupus: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:17] <clupus> The other thing is: I found out, the stick is using some sort of unionfs or similar. So if I modify e.g. /etc/apt/sources.list and reboot the oly entries are kept; additional lines are merged into the files. So what happens if I update using apt-get? Will this "destroy" some programs?
[11:20] <orated> As for your first question, if you want to get rid of 'Try Kubunut/Install..' and the timeout, you can try unetbootin where there won't such screen
[11:24] <clupus> orated: So I have to reinstall from windows completely, correct?
[11:25] <orated> clupus: No.. are you trying to test Kubuntu with the help of LiveUSB right?
[11:27] <clupus> orated: No, my father uses win and needs kdenlive and some other apps. So I accepted to create a bootable stick to not need to install to his harddrive. I just want to be sure he does not accidently installs kubuntu over his win.
[11:28] <clupus> orated: For me I am using kubuntu on my main computer right now. So any program runing on linux works for me.
[11:31] <clupus> It's maybe even more interesting for me to know if I have to remaster the stick if I want to install several additional programs. I remasters a knoppix version some years ago. But what about usb sticks? Is it nessesary to remaster?
[11:31] <orated> clupus: Ok, so if you don't want to install Kdenlive and others on Windows. You can simply use Kubunu LiveUSB persisten mode and install Kenlive and others which will retain those packages for use on next boot
[11:35] <orated>  clupus oh yes. It involves using uck if I get you right
[11:35] <clupus> orated: I did create the stick with about 3GB of persistent space. So if I modify and file unter eg /usr/bin is the orinigal file keep in background (shaddowd or how ever it is called) or is it overwritten?
[11:36] <yofel> it's kept in background as the base system is stored in a read-only squashfs if I remember correctly
[11:39] <orated> yes
[11:39] <clupus> ok, but is seems to be ok to upgrade the system in the persistent space, isn't it?
[11:39] <orated> as yofel said^
[11:39] <orated> kernel upgrade will not make it usable
[11:39] <yofel> should be fine, but kernel upgrades won't work from my experience
[11:40] <yofel> as the kernel is always read from squashfs
[11:41] <clupus> ok, I think that's all for now. Thanks a lot to all.
[12:09] <schnelle> anyone experiences music playback stuttering while downloading torrent files?
[13:00] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:13] <mohsen> hi , when i want to install an app , this error shows : "The action would require the installation of packages from not authenticated sources."
[13:13] <mohsen> what should i do?
[13:14] <mohsen> hi , when i want to install an app , this error shows : "The action would require the installation of packages from not authenticated sources."
[13:14] <mohsen> what should i do?
[13:14] <BluesKaj> mohsen,  which app ?
[13:14] <mohsen> any app
[13:16] <mohsen> + taht , when i run update manager , when it's in 50-60% show error : "check your connection"
[13:17] <BluesKaj> open your package manager and enable all the repos except for the cdrom
[13:23] <mohsen> BluesKaj: i don't have synaptic package manager , but in ubuntu software center , i check all radio buttons , in software sources , except "istalabel from cd-rom"
[13:26] <BluesKaj> mohsen,  alt+f2 , kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list , copy and pastebin it pls
[13:28] <mohsen> BluesKaj : kate is your username?
[13:30] <BluesKaj> kate is the text editor
[13:31] <BluesKaj> !kate
[13:33] <mohsen> BluesKaj: paste all in here?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> !pastebin | mohsen
[13:35] <yofel> !paste | mohsen
[13:38] <mohsen> o0k
[13:38] <mohsen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/847239/
[13:38] <mohsen> tnx
[13:38] <mohsen> tnx ubottu
[13:46] <grmls> hi :)
[13:49] <mohsen> BluesKaj : i'm waiting
[13:56] <BluesKaj> !patience
[13:57] <BluesKaj> mohsen,  your sources.list looks fine , alt+f2 /etc/apt/sources.list.d , any files labelled with ppa should be moved or deleted
[13:59] <BluesKaj> mohsen, alt+f2, kdesudo dolphin /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[13:59] <mohsen> ok
[14:00] <mohsen> i'm here now
[14:00] <mohsen> what next?
[14:01] <mohsen> BluesKaj : i have 2 file with  .list extention , and 2 file with .list.save extention
[14:04] <BluesKaj> open them , see if they are ppa urls
[14:06] <mohsen> yes
[14:06] <mohsen> http://ppa.launchpad.net/ferramroberto/gnome3/ubuntu oneiric main
[14:06] <mohsen> BluesKaj : http://paste.kde.org/424652/
[14:07] <mohsen> i must remove gnome3 to fix this problem?
[14:07] <BluesKaj> do you recall what app you used that ppa to install ?
[14:08] <mohsen> i don't understand !
[14:10] <BluesKaj> no ,just remove that file gnome 3 is in the repos , you just need to update/upgrade to receive latest changes
[14:11] <bazhang> mohsen, you used the gnome3 ppa while on 11.04 ?
[14:11] <mohsen> yes bazhang
[14:11] <BluesKaj> oops , just remove those .list files , gnome 3 won't be removed
[14:11] <bazhang> uh oh
[14:11] <mohsen> bazhang : for what ?
[14:13] <bazhang> !gnome3 | mohsen
[14:16] <mohsen> no i was wrong , i install gnome- shell :D
[14:17] <BluesKaj> mohsen,  remove the ppa . list file ...gnome 3 is in the repositories so you don't need it anymore
[14:18] <BluesKaj> need it = the ppa
[14:18] <mohsen> finally remove those or not?
[14:19] <BluesKaj> yes remve
[14:19] <mohsen> and ".list.save" files?
[14:20] <BluesKaj> yes
[14:21] <mohsen> tnx a lot BluesKaj
[14:21] <BluesKaj> now open a terminal and do, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[14:22] <mohsen> i do it now !
[14:22] <Oxymoron> Does someone know if anyone works in Skype Linux version? Seriously, the latest version is 2.2 beta, released one year ago ... its a mock against IT world xD
[14:23] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron,  I use the static version ..it's older but stable
[14:24] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Cool :) Well I only want a version that works well, never fails and looks clean.
[14:24] <BluesKaj> that's the one
[14:24] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: For the moment it looks like a 5 year old kid draw the mockup of the interface xD
[14:25] <BluesKaj> well do you want pretty icons and guis that don't work or do you want something that is palin , but works
[14:25] <BluesKaj> plain
[14:26] <BluesKaj> it's your choice :)
[14:26] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: I do not really want pretty icons, but I want a clean look with NICE font, decent color theme and not just looks like a shell gui xD
[14:26] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: You can accomplish a nice GUi without bling bling
[14:26] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron,  well, make your choices  try them out
[14:28]  * yofel uses whatever the partner repository ships
[14:29] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Then i wonder, is there any other video players out then Kaffeine, Dragon Player and VLC?
[14:30] <Oxymoron> VLC is great mostly
[14:30] <Oxymoron> hhhhhhhheeeeey
[14:31] <suhas> does anyone know how to increase fan speed on a laptop
[14:31] <yofel> suhas: that greatly depends on your hardware. I know how to do it for thinkpads
[14:32] <suhas> mine isn't one
[14:32] <suhas> but thanks
[14:32] <yofel> Oxymoron: I personally use smplayer and vlc. haven't found a video file yet that I wasn't able to play with at least one of them
[14:33] <yofel> suhas: there is a 'fancontrol' package in the archive, but I don't know how and whether that'll work for you
[14:33] <suhas> yes i have already installed it but not able to access the software
[14:33] <BluesKaj> VLC is the most versatile player IME, Oxymoron other than mplayer , but the gui mplayer versions aren't nearly as good as mplayer in the cli
[14:33] <Oxymoron> yofel: VLC plays everything I throw at it. The only problem is that the screen goes black when playing movies.
[14:35] <Oxymoron> The problem does not affect player DragonPLayer. But then it has no support for external subtitles and then is worthless for me.
[14:35] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron,  install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:36] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: For what featuees? :)
[14:36] <BluesKaj> video and audio codecs
[14:37] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Yes, but what for?
[14:37] <bazhang> Oxymoron, to watch movies
[14:37] <Oxymoron> bazhang: Well yeah I can watch movies, no problem.
[14:37] <BluesKaj> vlc is blank when playing movies ...yes you need the codecs
[14:38] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: No no, it plays movies. But every 15 minutes screen goes black, because VLC does not send any proper siignal to Kubuntu that screen is active.
[14:38] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron,  that's your screensaver or power settings
[14:40] <orated> suhas : If u run the command "find /sys -name fan*" do you get any hits?
[14:41] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: No, I have discussed it with devs and so. I have proper settings in systemsettings.
[14:41] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Even if I turn off EVERYTHING in power saving, it does not work, still goes black.
[14:43] <Oxymoron> Not sure if it has something todo with using HDMI and VLC together.
[14:43] <Oxymoron> I use HDMI to TV from laptop, turn on VLC and movie. But after 10-15 minutes it goes black.
[14:44] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron,  no if you turn it all off the default still runs , you have to give the power settings something other than just off...i use 1890 mins
[14:44] <BluesKaj> 180
[14:45] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: I tried that too, but doesnt matter. Even if I use 1000 minutes it do nto work.
[14:46] <mohsen> tnx BluesKaj , my problem fixed ...
[14:46] <BluesKaj> set your screen saver as well
[14:46] <BluesKaj> mohsen,  yw
[14:48] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Then I wonder, do you know if it is possible to make kubuntu autodetect HDMI, change to HDMI audio and video channel? For the moment I need to manually change it back and forth. OH and also, when I unplug HDMI I want computer to go back to its own audio.
[14:50] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron,  are the hdmi and sound connections "onboard" or separate pci cards ?
[14:50] <Oxymoron> Same with headphones btw, want it to autochange channel to headphones if plugin and change back if unplug them.
[14:51] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: I guess it is onboard circuits as it is a laptop
[14:51] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:51] <Oxymoron> I am not sure if other users experience same thing or not.
[14:52] <Oxymoron> Maybe it is not implemented?
[14:53] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron,  have you checked alsamixer to see if you have a headphone ctrl listed
[14:53] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: The headphones works, not the issue. The problem is that I need to change audio channel manually each time I plugin HDMI, headphones or whatever.
[14:54] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: I am using some kind of dual analog stereo card.
[14:57] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron,  there might be a setting in alsa-base.conf to do so but I don't know what the command would be , same goes for the hdmi .
[14:58] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron,  I have very little experience with hdmi audio/video on a laptop
[14:59] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Me too
[15:03] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: When googling on it I see more people have issue with it. needs some kind of implementation in Alsa, PulseAudio and kernel.
[15:06] <Oxymoron> Another weird thing was if I plugin my headphones and play music, laptop do uses speakers and headphones at the same time :D
[15:06] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron,  so when you "manually change" the audio output , you set that in phonon or pulseaudio ?
[15:07] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: I change the audio hardware settings in systemsettings.
[15:07] <BluesKaj> yes system settings>multimedia>phonon or pulseaudio
[15:08] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: phonon and then audio hardware settings
[15:08] <Oxymoron> Need to change both profile and unit to use.
[15:09] <BluesKaj> that's pulseaudio
[15:10] <BluesKaj> what about device preference?
[15:10] <Oxymoron> pulseaudio do not change profile automaticly.
[15:10] <Oxymoron> yes need to change device preference as well, between headphones and spekaers.
[15:11] <Oxymoron> It is 2012, it is quite funny weyre even have this discussion xD
[15:11] <Oxymoron> Audio problems once and there since Kubuntu 7.04
[15:12] <Oxymoron> Sometimes it is Alsa, sometimes pulseaudio and sometimes kubuntu.
[15:12] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron,  I use pulseaudio only because I need it for webaudio , otherwise i don't use any of it's controls , but there several ..look into pulseaudio options
[15:14] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Where do I find pulseaudio settings?
[15:14] <BluesKaj> !pulseaudio
[15:16] <mohsen> how can i connect to a socks proxy in ubuntu?
[15:16] <mohsen> or http proxy?
[15:19] <mohsen> how can i connect to a socks proxy or http proxy in ubuntu?
[15:20] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron,  that pulseaudio wiki is old , the factoid needs to be updated
[15:21] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron,  http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup
[15:21] <BluesKaj> !socks | mohsen
[15:21] <BluesKaj> no factoid there
[15:22] <BluesKaj> !proxy | mohsen
[15:36] <DottorLeo> hi!
[15:37] <DottorLeo> need a little help with desktop icon :)
[15:38] <DottorLeo> how can i put the "User" folder on desktop like W7?
[15:38] <bazhang> show the home on Desktop ?
[15:40] <DottorLeo> thanks...step by step? :)
[15:40] <DottorLeo> i'm new to ubuntu
[15:42] <yofel> DottorLeo: I'm not sure what w7 does there, do you want a link to the folder on the desktop? Or do you want the desktop to show the contents of the user folder?
[15:43] <DottorLeo> on w7 the user folder has inside the Doucment, Image, Video, Music folder
[15:43] <DottorLeo> i'm note sure if User folder on W7 is equal to Home folder on Kubuntu
[15:44] <orated> Right click on empty area of desktop, unlock widgets it is lock. Then from the same menu select an option to add widget which will open options just above the bottom panel. Select Folder view. See if that helps
[15:44] <orated> if it is lock*
[15:44] <yofel> yeah, try what orated said
[15:45] <BluesKaj> kmenu>computer>home ..right click and choose "add to desktop"
[15:45] <BluesKaj> DottorLeo,
[15:46] <orated> That's better^ :)
[15:51] <DottorLeo> thanks
[15:53] <DottorLeo> don't let me right click :/
[15:54] <DottorLeo> ok done
[15:54] <DottorLeo> need unlock first
[15:56] <DottorLeo> coming from w7 i'm truly impressed by the easiness of *buntu family :)
[15:57] <DottorLeo> my old notebook works very well
[17:35] <sysco> bonjour
[17:35] <sysco> faut il paavoir de l'aide ?rlé englais ici aussi pour
[17:38] <sysco> y'aurais t'il des habituer de kubuntu pour aider un novice  ??
[17:41] <yofel> !fr | sysco
[17:41] <sysco> ca deviens chiant !
[17:42] <sysco> ok ok , je me casse c'est bon
[17:50] <jarle> somehow something in 11.04 is keeping my screen from turning off via dpms, anybody else ran into (and solved) this problem? Never had this problem in earlier versions of Ubuntu.
[18:33] <rtdos> can't a session be created that does not load a gui desktop (without having to use ctrl-alt-f2) ? can't a session be created that does not load a gui desktop (without having to use ctrl-alt-f2) ?
[18:33] <rtdos> whoa! why'd that happen?
[18:37] <yofel> rtdos: if you want to disable kdm, then you can do that with 'echo manual | sudo tee /etc/init/kdm.conf.override' if you're on oneiric
[18:39] <rtdos> yofel: is there a way to keep the gui login screen but create a blank, text based only login without the mouse (or gui desktop)?
[18:40] <yofel> rtdos: that's what ctrl+alt+f2 gives you?
[18:40] <yofel> sorry, I don't quite understand what you want to do
[18:40] <Starkgeist> У кого были проблемы со звуком в vlc плеере?
[18:40] <rtdos> oh, so i can't just create a blank text-only session without having to use ctrl-alt-f2 all the time?
[18:41] <rtdos> i've got lxde, xfce4, gnome, unity, and kde desktops on my system, what i would like to know is there a way to edit or create a new session script that does not load a gui?
[18:41] <yofel> well, on tty1-6 (f1-f6) there are always text based login screens available after boot, and if kdm is enabled it'll start on TTY7 and switch there by default
[18:41] <yofel> so what do you want instead?
[18:42] <yofel> ah wait, you want to login to a TTY from kdm?
[18:42] <yofel> sorry, I don't know if that's possible
[18:45] <rtdos> yea, create a session-file (or session-script, can't remember what it's called) that does not load a desktop: lxde, xfce4, kde, gnome, unity, or whatever other desktop i have on my system) - can the recovery-console session be modified to do this?
[18:49] <Snowhog> rtdos: Booting into a recovery (single user) kernel entry from the Grub menu does that. You are booted into a console session.
[18:51] <Snowhog> !forums
[18:55] <clone1018> Anyone have any experience with ATI and kubuntu? Trying to change my primary monitor with the drivers installed.
[18:56] <pvivek> i want to start contributing . i would be glad if someone can guide me to find beginner bug fixes.
[18:59] <Ezim> pvivek, try #kubuntu-devel
[18:59] <pvivek> Ezim : thank you
[19:00] <Schugy> where to write my libertas network-manager bug?
[19:00] <Uncle_Fester> maybe someone here can help me
[19:02] <Schugy> or is there a kerneloption that prevents the livesystem 12.04 from starting network/manager/
[19:07] <Ezim> Schugy, ubuntu-bug network-manager
[19:08] <Schugy> I will try that
[19:08] <Schugy> libertas has never worked with NM
[19:09] <Schugy> NM should  blacklist that
[19:11] <Schugy> even icewm throughput monitor crashes the system. Never monitor wlan0 and it works just 4ever
[19:12] <yofel> Schugy: 12.04 support and discussion is in #ubuntu+1 - this channel is only for released kubuntu versions
[19:19] <Schugy> nice, but this thing was in 8.10 already
[19:49] <maestro> hello everyone, i have just done my first time installation of kubuntu. Please someone tell where i am supposed to set system proxy in order to have apt-get and all started
[19:52] <Snowhog> maestro: You are currently on Kubuntu and using it to get here, yes?
[19:53] <Riddell> browser proxy is different from apt proxy (which is a problem that nobody has got round to solving yet)
[19:54] <maestro> So do you have any idea how to set it. Actually i have browser proxy set. Thats how i am communicating right now
[19:56] <Riddell> maestro: the GUI that should do it is software-properties-kde but I don't see a way to do it there so that's a missing feature we have
[19:56] <Riddell> the command line way is to put something in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ which I don't know off the top of my head but I expect google knows
[19:57] <Daskreech> Snowhog: ping
[19:57] <Snowhog> Daskreech: pong
[19:57] <Daskreech> heard you were looking to update the robot?
[19:58] <Snowhog> Daskreech: You can do that? !forums only lists www.ubuntuforums.org, and well, this is a Kubuntu IRC, so can you add www.kubuntuforums.net?
[19:58] <maestro> Riddell: i found it, this is what you add/edit..:D  Acquire::http::Proxy "http://username:password@proxy.xxx.xx:80XX"
[19:59] <Daskreech> Snowhog: try addressing the bot and telling it what it should be
[19:59] <Snowhog> Daskreech: How do I do that?
[20:00] <Daskreech> !forums
[20:01] <Daskreech> So try something like ubottu: forums is The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org. Kubuntu Forums are found at http://www.kubuntuforums.net. There is also a channel on Freenode IRC #ubuntuforums
[20:01] <Snowhog> Daskreech: Isn't Ubottu maintenance restricted to members here who are identified as Ops or Admins?
[20:02] <yofel> iirc that has to be forums-#kubuntu to add a channel-specifc override
[20:02] <yofel> and I think ubottu did have a restricted access list
[20:03] <yofel> let's try
[20:03] <yofel> ubottu: forums-#kubuntu is The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org. Kubuntu Forums are found at http://www.kubuntuforums.net. There is also a channel on Freenode IRC #ubuntuforums
[20:03] <Daskreech> Snowhog: No
[20:03] <yofel> -> Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops.  Thank you for your attention to detail
[20:03] <Snowhog> yofel: Cool. So the action gets redirected for review/approval. Nice.
[20:03] <ikonia> I think the ubuntuforums irc channel is pretty much dead now
[20:04] <Daskreech> Snowhog: anyone can update it but they have to then go to #ubuntu-ops to answer why they think it should be changed
[20:04] <yofel> Daskreech: which makes it easier to just have an op do it
[20:04] <ikonia> only people on the access list can change ubottu's factoids
[20:04] <Daskreech> yofel: Nope I actually find that editing it then popping into #ubuntu-ops is better
[20:04] <Riddell> maestro: lovely, you can also file a bug on software-properties to add it to the GUI and if you're the sort of super helpful person to can you can implement it :)
[20:04] <ikonia> but all suggestsions get sent to the ops team for review
[20:05] <Daskreech> mostly cause they dislike people popping into ubuntuops :)
[20:05] <ikonia> if you want something changing, I can help you
[20:05] <Daskreech> Snowhog: speak with ikonia
[20:05] <yofel> ikonia: see what I said to ubottu
[20:05] <Snowhog> Daskreech: Thanks. Will do.
[20:05] <ikonia> yofel: I'm not sure what factoid you are trying to update though ?
[20:06] <Snowhog> ikonia: The !forums factoid
[20:06] <yofel>  the !forums one just for this channel
[20:06] <Daskreech> I generally used to go through the factoids and try update them after a release
[20:06] <ikonia> !forums
[20:06] <ikonia> ok, so you want a kubuntu line adding, I think that's reasonable for #ubuntu as well,
[20:06] <Daskreech>  we still have factoids that refer to Dapper Drake
[20:06] <ikonia> where ?
[20:07] <Snowhog> ikonia: Yes. I'd like to see Kubuntu Forums are found at http://www.kubuntuforums.net. added to the !forums factoid.
[20:07] <Daskreech> I'd have to troll the bot's brains again but I remember leaving it as it was pretty useless for anything post that era
[20:07] <ikonia> Snowhog: no problem, I think that's pretty reasonable
[20:07] <Daskreech> I haven't actualyl done that for maybe 3 releases now
[20:07] <Snowhog> ikonia: Thank you. Much appreciated.
[20:07] <Daskreech> so pre the last LTS?
[20:09]  * Daskreech calls for a group hug!
[20:11] <Riddell> yay, hugs!
[20:13] <Daskreech> \o/\o/\o/\o/
[20:17]  * Snowhog gives Daskreech a hroup gug (hmm. Maybe to much Amaretto in the coffee!)
[20:19] <Linkmaster> I want to install kubuntu as a side partition on my mothers computer(with her permission), to demonstrate linux to her. as long as I make sure it has a smaller partition at the end of the drive, it shouldnt nuke any files on her windows7 partition, right?
[20:20] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: Correct
[20:21] <Daskreech> What doe she use her computer for?
[20:22] <Linkmaster_> sorry to however replied, I tried loading the tab, and firefox crashed completely
[20:22] <Linkmaster_> could you please resend?
[20:24] <Riddell> 20:20 < Daskreech> Linkmaster: Correct
[20:24] <Riddell> 20:21 < Daskreech> What doe she use her computer for?
[20:24] <Snowhog> Linkmaster_: This is just a bit dated, and it's for Ubuntu / Windows7, but it is well documented. http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/dual-boot-windows-7-ubuntu.html
[20:24] <Linkmaster_> thank you Snowhog (:
[20:24] <orated> Linkmaster_: You can always first defragment partitions containing Windows and then resize (Shrink option in Disk Management) to have Kubuntu installed in side partition without affecting Windows data
[20:25] <Linkmaster_> I was planning on defragging it to be safe anyways
[20:25] <Linkmaster_> thank you all
[20:25] <Snowhog> Linkmaster_: defrag and shrink is a necessity.
[20:26] <Riddell> (and take a backup if you want to be safe)
[20:26] <Riddell> also a usb key is an interesting way to demo it, it can be almost as fast a hard drive with the decent hardware
[20:26] <Snowhog> Riddell: Oh, come on. Be BOLD. Be DARING. It's only your mothers PC. :)
[20:26] <Snowhog> *your his
[20:27] <Linkmaster_> She has 90 gigs of pictures and stuff on it o: I just didnt want something unbeknowest to me to nuke them
[20:27] <Riddell> "use full disk" is the radio button for that sort of attitude :)
[20:28] <orated> LiveUSB/CD is better alternative to give demo in my opinion
[20:28] <Linkmaster_> orated: she has proprietary programs, Im going to demo them and stuff
[20:28] <Snowhog> Riddell: A mothers love is unconditional -- until you wipe out her PC. :)
[20:28] <Linkmaster_> She just hates windows
[20:29] <Linkmaster_> Snowhog: you have no clue...youd be lucky if I wasnt 30 feet under by the time she was done killing me if I wiped her computer
[20:29] <Daskreech> Linkmaster_: Why does she dislike windows?
[20:30] <Snowhog> Daskreech: Because she's an inteligent PC user?
[20:30] <Daskreech> Ah then she would have reasons she can explain :)
[20:30] <Snowhog> hehe
[20:31] <Linkmaster_> nah, she isnt the best...shes smarter then mos tthough, because so many things go wrong with her, and she has to figure them out. thats why she knows what she does. Im hoping to show her that linux takes a lot less effor then the hell she has gone htrough
[20:31]  * Daskreech chuckles
[20:31] <Daskreech> Alrighty
[20:32] <Linkmaster_> her desktop has been sent to get fixed...4 or five times
[20:32] <Linkmaster_> her laptop 2 or 3
[20:32] <Linkmaster_> all windows related problems. she also hates that they are sooooo slow
[20:34] <orated> Anyone got suggestions to dig the cause of weird troughs and peaks here- http://imagebin.org/199583 - its only causing cpu fan to rev up & down periodically ...
[20:35] <Daskreech> Well if she can say what her usecases will be then you can get Linux running pretty nicely for her
[20:35] <Daskreech> Riddell: ping The update-manager LTS update cycle will still work as is going forward wont it?
[20:37] <designbybeck> Question: Kubuntu's Package manager seems to hang, what is the command to "purge"
[20:37] <designbybeck> or fix it
[20:37] <designbybeck> dpkg -a --confige?
[20:41] <orated> designbybeck:  I think - ps -e | grep muon, then sudo kill <id>, sudo killall dpkg and then sudo dpkg --configure -a
[20:41] <designbybeck> Thank you orated I'll give a try
[20:43] <Linkmaster_> Daskreech: she sat down and talked with me, gave me a list of 'what programs I needed to move over for her"(I didnt bother explaining that I couldnt 'move them'), so I know her usecases. I just need to get them working in wine
[20:44] <orated> designbybeck: If you get lock file causing delay, just remove it
[20:44] <designbybeck> it hung on installing updates
[20:45] <Daskreech> Linkmaster_: You think they can be done?
[20:45] <Daskreech> Digikam btw :)
[20:46] <Linkmaster_> Daskreech: I hope so
[20:47] <orated> designbybeck: Yes, I think the commands can help. I was just saying that in the last step sudo dpkg --configure -a , you may find lock file to not the run the command.
[20:53] <Riddell> Daskreech: that is the expectation yes
[20:57] <Daskreech> Riddell: Great thanks
[20:58] <Daskreech> Linkmaster_: I'd put her on a LTS update schedule. If stuff works then she shuld be fine for two years instead of having to do a major upgrade every few months
[20:58] <Daskreech> Which means stuff breaks
[20:58] <Daskreech> Linkmaster_: What are the programs she needs to have working?
[20:59] <Linkmaster_> Daskreech: I was going to put 11.10(since it is the best Ive seen yet), and simpy lock the machine down once its set up
[21:00] <Daskreech> Linkmaster_: Do that for the test and monitor her. When she's happy upgrade to LTS set back up her happiness bar and leave her
[21:02] <Linkmaster_> Daskreech: that was in the back of my mind, and an upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04 shouldnt hurt
[21:05] <Linkmaster_> Daskreech: the programs are...:storybook creator, memorymanager, adobe photoshop CS5.1, lightroom 3.2, seagate dashboard(would a wireless external harddrive pose problems to kubuntu?), memorex exPressit, creative memories, rosetta stone, and something called millers items, as well as her canon card reader stuff(dolphin should do the trick, right?), and her printer(I know this one)
[21:09] <ScottyK> greetings! was doing an install and the computer froze up. What's the command in Konsole to fix the broken packages? sudo dpkg something...
[21:10] <yofel> ScottyK: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[21:10] <Linkmaster_> ScottyK: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[21:10] <Linkmaster_> d'aw, you beat me yofel =P
[21:10] <ScottyK> thanks!
[21:10] <yofel> :P
[21:15] <Daskreech> Linkmaster_: http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com/blog/2012/02/16/using-digikam-from-the-point-of-view-of-lightroom-user/
[21:19] <designbybeck> orated: I did that command, and it seemed to finish what it was doing
[21:19] <designbybeck> orated: but in gui if i try to open the Muon Software Center, it crashes
[21:19] <designbybeck> these are clean installed
[21:25] <Daskreech> Linkmaster_: PM?
[21:25] <Linkmaster_> Daskreech: feel free
[21:26] <Linkmaster_> designbybeck: are you upgrading KDE? if so, use the terminal ; muon has a problem that if a prompt needs to come up, it hangs/crashes
[21:26] <designbybeck> hmmmmm
[21:26] <designbybeck> Doing updates for the first time in Kubuntu
[21:28] <Linkmaster_> designbybeck: then yes. put in "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" without quotes
[21:29] <Daskreech> (thought with quotes will work as well in that situation)
[21:34] <designbybeck> Thank you Linkmaster_doing the upgrade now
[21:35] <Linkmaster_> designbybeck: any day bud (:
[21:36] <Linkmaster_> Daskreech: figured to be safe then sorry. give it a test run in your konsole if you want to give it a shot
[21:42] <designbybeck> Linkmaster_:  did I need to restart the computers after that?
[21:42] <designbybeck> Muon Software center still popped up a crash report
[21:42] <designbybeck> We have 10 students 8th-10th graders we are training on OSS.
[21:43] <designbybeck> and they will get to take these computers home
[21:45] <designbybeck> do the update and upgrades seemed to go trhough in cli but the softwarecenter crashed in gui
[21:45] <Linkmaster_> designbybeck: once the update is complete, it will likely mention via GUI that there is an update
[21:46] <designbybeck> hmmm
[21:46] <Linkmaster_> *not update, restart needed. I was reading what you typed while replying, my bad
[21:46] <designbybeck> gotcha!
[21:46] <BluesKaj> my bad =my mistake , cxorrect ?
[21:47] <BluesKaj> err correct
[21:47] <designbybeck> correct BluesKaj ;)
[21:47] <designbybeck> the kids are using Mable right now to look up cities
[21:47] <Linkmaster_> the long story of it is(from my understanding), is that muon trips up when an option comes up(e.g., kdm update), and it cant continue the updating process until an option is selected. however, since muon cant pull up any prompt windows, it will remain indefinitely hanged
[21:48] <BluesKaj> then pls don't use slang, not everyone here lives in an english speaking country, Linkmaster_
[21:48] <designbybeck> ahh that makes sense Linkmaster_
[21:49] <BluesKaj> yup, best to avoid muon ...it's getting better but it still has bugs
[21:51] <rats_> designbybeck: doing updates and upgrades through CLI also just seems cleaner
[21:52] <rats_> may not be but it sure feels it
[21:52] <BluesKaj> not justy seems ,, its more direct in the sense that there aren't any guis to deal with
[21:52] <designbybeck> i'm teaching 8th-10th graders how to use Kuubntu
[21:52] <designbybeck> we have done some cli stuff
[21:53] <designbybeck> apt-get and such
[21:53] <designbybeck> just trying to figure out how to fix the crash
[21:53] <BluesKaj> designbybeck,  cli is much easier to use in the long run , guis are for former windows users m best to get their feet wet asap with the cli
[21:54] <designbybeck> good point BluesKaj
[21:54] <BluesKaj> they'll think it's cooler anyway :)
[21:55] <Linkmaster_> BluesKaj: I apologize. I try to use english universal talk, but sometimes I mess up. the term "my bad" was used extensively bu a large portion of where I lived, and it became everyday language for me
[21:55] <rats_> BluesKaj: do you use irssi for irc
[21:56] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster_,  np , we like to keep coloquialisms to a minimum for our non native english speakers
[21:56] <BluesKaj> rats_,  I have in emergencies
[21:57] <BluesKaj> for chatting everydasy use , Konversation fits my needs best
[21:57] <BluesKaj> rats_,  ^
[21:59] <rats_> whatever works best us oit BluesKaj
[21:59] <rats_> it
[22:01] <BluesKaj> rats_,  I'm not a cli purist , but installing and removing packages with dpkg and apt-get are best IMO
[22:01] <EvilResistance> ^ that
[22:01] <EvilResistance> BluesKaj, what about aptitude :P
[22:02] <BluesKaj> aptitude is fine as well, but it no longer holds the advantage over apt-get it once had
[22:06] <rats_> That is what I like about Linux ,the options are almost limitless. Whatever works best use it.
[22:07] <rats_> and dont be scared to try or learn new options
[22:13] <elalasblissett> #xchat
[22:15] <Linkmaster_> Daskreech: okay, defragging is done(it went through 5 runs, I figured that would be good), and now Im putting GParted Live onto a CD, and Ill use that to chop off ~80gigs off the back of the windows...my question is, why does the guide put the swap before /home?
[22:17] <Daskreech> Linkmaster_: In your case it won't make a difference it's all on the slow part of the drive in any case
[22:18] <Linkmaster_> ahh, alright. why is the back slower anyhow?
[22:20] <Daskreech> Physics. If you are spinning something at a constant velocity then thigns closer to the middle spin faster
[22:20] <Daskreech> But you should be able to store more data on the outer section
[22:21] <Linkmaster_> that makes sense(im in physics, I just didnt thnk of the drive as circular
[22:21] <Linkmaster_> and...this guide assumes we have the windows 7 installation CD. her computer had vista on it, she just had the upgrade 7 disk thing
[22:26] <Linkmaster_> Daskreech: this did the trick, nevermind http://www.ehow.com/how_6931085_run-recovery-console-windows-cd.html
[22:30] <Snowhog> !forums
[22:36] <Daskreech> Snowhog: \o/
[22:38] <Snowhog> Daskreech: Yup. Shameless promotion of Kubuntu Forums. :)  Hey, this is a Kubuntu channel, and it should identify a Kubuntu support forum, and IMO, Kubuntu Forums is one of the best out there.
[22:38] <Daskreech> IYHO I Agree
[22:45]  * Linkmaster_ uses kubuntuforums almost exclusively
[22:51] <amichair_> is there an equivalent for the quickaccess plasma widget that used to be on the panel by default? (which shows a browseable folder from panel)
[22:52] <Snowhog> amichair_: The Quick Access widget is still available -- I'm using it -- in 11.10.
[22:53] <Snowhog> amichair_: Oh yeah, I had to install package plasma-widget-quickaccess before it was available.
[22:53] <amichair_> Snowhog: where do I find it?
[22:53] <amichair_> ah
[22:54] <amichair_> ok, couldn't find it in installed widgets, nor in the kde 'look for more widgets' thing
[22:55] <amichair_> got it
[22:55] <Snowhog> amichair_: I hadn't even realized I wasn't using it until someone, someplace (here?) made mention of it.
[22:55] <amichair_> it's strange that some widgets can be installed as a package but not via the panel interface
[22:55] <amichair_> Snowhog: I missed it quite a bit, and always forgot to ask where it went :-)
[23:45] <ScottyK> what do you recommend for a good GUI to mount iso's?
[23:59] <Orcris> Can someone point me to the source for the Kubuntu 11.04 mobile preview?