lubotu3A chroot is used to make programs believe that the directory they are running in is really the root directory. It can be used to stop programs accessing files outside of that directory, or for compiling 32bit applications in a 64bit environment - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot00:05
lubotu3GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10)00:05
popeydid you install i386 over the top of amd64 or vice versa AlanBell ?00:11
AlanBell64 over 6400:12
AlanBelldoesn't like me installing grub :/00:13
AlanBellI booted to live USB, and did sudo apt-get install grub-efi-amd6400:14
AlanBellthen sudo mount /dev/sda1/ /mnt00:14
AlanBellthen sudo grub-install --recheck --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda00:15
AlanBelland I get told00:15
AlanBellerror: cannot find a device for /mnt (is /dev mounted)00:15
AlanBelland /mnt doesn't look like an EFI partition00:15
daftykinshow does EFI relate to partitions? i'd expect MBR/GPT in that context00:16
AlanBellback to a grub rescue prompt00:16
hamitrontried chrooting to /mnt?00:16
AlanBellthen what?00:17
hamitroninstalling grub like ya do00:17
hamitronto mbr00:17
* hamitron uses lilo00:17
hamitronjust a brain fart that is of little use :/00:18
popeyAlanBell: why are you installing grub-efi-amd64?00:21
AlanBellI have no idea00:21
popeyok, this is what I do to install grub...00:22
popey(did it this week on my thinkpad)00:22
popeylets note this...00:22
popeystupid etherpad00:26
popeythat works then AlanBell ☺00:27
AlanBelllets see, I think I already did that00:27
* AlanBell boots up00:27
* AlanBell looks at a grub rescue prompt00:28
popeydo you have the usb stick still in?00:28
popeycan you do ls (hd0,0)/00:29
AlanBellerror: no such partition00:30
AlanBellah, interesting00:30
popeyok, so do you have mutliple disks in this thing?00:30
popeyits sdb or something?00:30
AlanBellls tells me there is (hd0,msdos1)00:30
popeysorry, my bad00:30
popeyls (hd0,1)00:30
popeyls (hd0,1)/00:31
AlanBellthat is my files00:31
AlanBellboot is in there00:31
popeycan you boot to the grub menu by holding shift?00:34
popeyany kernel boot lines look odd?00:34
AlanBellok, did set prefix=(hd0,1)/boot/grub, then insmod(hd0,0)/boot/grub/linux.mod and got that elf error00:34
AlanBellholding shift makes no difference, straight to the rescue prompt00:35
directhexso which partitions do you have, exactly?00:35
AlanBell(hd0,1) and swap00:36
AlanBelloh sorry, mistype00:36
popeyi still think you have a mixed 32-bit/64-bit setup00:37
AlanBellthis has always been 6400:37
directhexit is also caused when the version of grub in the mbr is not the version of grub in /boot00:37
AlanBellhad some :i386 packages for skype or something, but I uninstalled those earlier00:37
popeybut we just reinstalled grub from a chroot of the install00:38
popeyso they should be the same00:38
directhex<AlanBell> error: cannot find a device for /mnt (is /dev mounted) ?00:38
AlanBelldirecthex: yeah, that was me not doing the chroot properly00:39
popeyroot@ubuntu:/# grub-install /dev/sda00:39
popeyInstallation finished. No error reported00:39
directhexAlanBell: so this disk, sda, only has one partition, sda1 ?00:39
popeyworked later..00:39
AlanBellit has sda1 which is all the data, sda2 which is an extended container and sda5 which is swap00:41
directhexso sda1 is the only relevant partition00:42
directhexhow large is the disk?00:42
AlanBellthat seems relevant but I am not sure how to do it00:46
popeythats what we did00:50
popeygrub-install /dev/sda00:50
popeyfile a bug in ubiquity for a start00:51
popeythe fact that an install over the top has rendered it useless is worrying00:51
AlanBellBug #93461400:59
lubotu3Launchpad bug 934614 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "reinstall of precise breaks grub with invalid arch independent ELF magic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93461400:59
* AlanBell goes to bed :(01:03
DJones\o/ Precise VM updated01:10
popeybrave ☺01:11
DJonesNot so brave, its only in virtualbox01:12
DJonesNot as if its a "real" install01:12
DJonesAlthough after seeing the mailing list today & comments in here, I didn't expect it to work01:14
hamitronthis is 12.04?01:15
lubotu3Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin) will be the sixteenth release of Ubuntu. Codename announcement here: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/784 - Blueprints at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+101:15
hamitronah yeh01:15
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MartijnVdS16th already06:48
shaunoMartijnVdS: stuff like that makes me feel old and boring.  it used to be "wow, I can't believe we're half way thru the month already.  where did it go?"07:57
shaunonow I just do the math and figure out how many days until payday07:58
shaunowait, it's not the 16th, you're talking about something else.  nm :)07:58
MartijnVdSshauno: 16th Ubuntu release08:35
MartijnVdSshauno: still.. 8 years08:35
* MartijnVdS would never have guessed, in that NH Hotel in Mataro ;)08:36
MartijnVdS(One of the?) first "UDS" (it wasn't called that) ever: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/4028038769/in/set-72157622499451161/08:37
MooDoomorning all09:02
AlanBellmorning all09:16
AlanBellso, unbricking my laptop today09:17
MooDoomorning alan09:17
MooDooAlanBell: how you brick it in the first place?09:17
AlanBelldid a precise re-install over the top of my precise install09:17
AlanBellnow boots to a grub rescue prompt09:18
AlanBelland grub-reinstall from a chroot looks like it works but doesn't09:18
AlanBellbug 93461409:19
lubotu3Launchpad bug 934614 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "reinstall of precise breaks grub with invalid arch independent ELF magic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93461409:19
AlanBelllinux.mod: ELF 64-bit LSB relocatable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped09:36
AlanBellis that the ELF magic I wonder?09:36
MartijnVdSAlanBell: ELF magic is a recognisable part of the header of the ELF file, I guess09:36
MartijnVdSAlanBell: objdump \o/09:36
AlanBellhow do I do that?09:37
MartijnVdSAlanBell: objdump -x file.elf09:37
MartijnVdSAlanBell: could it be a 32/64-bit mismatch?09:37
AlanBellwell I don't think so, this laptop has never been near 32 bit09:38
MartijnVdSlinux.mod:                   ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped09:38
MartijnVdS^ that's /boot/grub/linux.mod on my 64-bit 12.04 machine09:38
MartijnVdS$ sha1sum linux.mod09:39
MartijnVdSd52bc34db1ea4756a757a96dfd22ae890cc3fff0  linux.mod09:39
MartijnVdSAlanBell: I have version 1.99-14ubuntu2 of grub-common, grub2-common, grub-pc and grub-pc-bin09:40
AlanBell904f500fa3683d6469b836aa2df114c072d97a59  linux.mod09:40
AlanBellgrub-install (GRUB) 1.99-14ubuntu209:41
MartijnVdSsounds like you have some corruption09:41
AlanBellnot sure about that09:41
AlanBellyou have Intel 8038609:42
AlanBellI have x86-6409:42
MartijnVdSAlanBell: $ dpkg --print-architecture09:42
MartijnVdSThis is a 64-bit install. But grub is 32-bit :)09:43
AlanBellamd64 on the live USB I have booted from (the one I reinstalled)09:43
AlanBellI have 64bit grub :/09:43
AlanBellwell I have 64bit grub modules09:43
MartijnVdSAlanBell: can you pastebin: $ dpkg -l \*grub\*09:44
AlanBellI suspect the boot sector is looking for 32bit modules or something, does that make sense?09:44
MartijnVdSAlanBell: (on the target system)09:44
MartijnVdSAlanBell: that's what's happening, I guess -- 64-bit mode is harder to initialize than 32-bit09:44
AlanBellin a chroot?09:44
MartijnVdSin the chroot09:44
MartijnVdSAlanBell: you might have an EFI version of Grub installed.. that has to be 64-bit because EFI tends to run in 64-bit mode09:45
MartijnVdSAlanBell: the other option is grub-pc which is the "old-style" PC booting (boot sector, etc.)09:45
MartijnVdSthat's exactly what I have09:47
AlanBellso how do I do grub-pc?09:47
MartijnVdSBind-mount /proc /sys and /dev into the chroot09:47
AlanBellyup, done that09:48
MartijnVdSthen in the chroot, do "grub-install /dev/sda"09:48
MartijnVdSor whatever drive09:48
AlanBellInstallation finished. No error reported.09:48
MartijnVdSthen the boot-sector bit's bits should match with the /boot bits09:48
AlanBellbut we did that before09:48
MartijnVdSAlanBell: hmm..09:48
AlanBellwhat is the grub-pc bit??09:49
MartijnVdSAlanBell: it's "PC booting" support for Grub09:49
MartijnVdSAlanBell: (as opposed to EFI booting, or some kind of exotic ARM booting)09:49
AlanBellso what package provides /boot/grub/linux.mod? there is a dpkg command to find that I think09:50
MartijnVdSdpkg -S09:50
MartijnVdSah, grub copies it I think09:51
AlanBelldpkg -S /boot/grub/linux.mod09:51
AlanBelldpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /boot/grub/linux.mod.09:51
MartijnVdSfrom /usr/lib/grub/09:51
AlanBellroot@ubuntu:/usr/lib/grub# ls09:51
AlanBellgrub-mkconfig_lib  i386-pc  update-grub_lib  x86_64-efi09:51
MartijnVdSwhich only contains an i386-pc subdir on my machine09:51
MartijnVdSdpkg -S the EFI dir?09:51
MartijnVdSremove that :)09:52
MartijnVdSthen do the grub-install again09:52
AlanBelllost my grub-install09:54
MartijnVdSAlanBell: do you still have the 'grub-pc' package?09:54
MartijnVdSbecause /usr/sbin/grub-install is in that package09:54
AlanBellinstalling it now09:54
AlanBellooh, this looks interesting, aubergine screen09:55
MartijnVdSah wait.. I only saw the top bit of the pastebin09:55
AlanBellwill install to all of them09:55
MartijnVdSyou need:09:55
MartijnVdSgrub-common, grub2-common, grub-pc and grub-pc-bin09:55
MartijnVdSgrub-efi* you probably don't need09:55
MartijnVdSunless on a mac or a VERY new PC09:56
* MartijnVdS has to go, good luck fixing it :)09:56
AlanBell http://paste.ubuntu.com/847033/09:56
MartijnVdSpartitionless disk?09:57
AlanBellno, it has partitions09:57
MartijnVdSAlanBell: popey knows a lot about booting :)09:57
AlanBellyeah, popey was helping last night09:57
AlanBellI think this may have done something09:58
AlanBellI now have 80386 module in /boot/grub09:58
AlanBellreboot time, see you on the other side o/09:58
* AlanBell adds 1 to the number of beers owed to MartijnVdS \o/09:59
popeymorning all10:28
brobostigongood morning everyone.10:28
brobostigonmorning popey10:28
popeyahhhh, good spot MartijnVdS10:28
AlanBellyay, I now have unity3d working again10:39
AlanBellthat was *epic*10:39
brobostigon:) \o/10:41
AlanBellwith unity 5.4 and the still slightly nuts HUD10:41
Myrttiho hum10:41
Myrttitrying desperately to wake up enough to pay attention to what I'm writing and what others are doing10:42
popeyAlanBell: so the only screw up was you installing grub-efi ☺10:43
AlanBellnot convinced, it broke itself and I started badly trying to fix it10:43
AlanBellI had no intention whatsoever of going anywhere near grub10:44
AlanBelland anyhow, why couldn't that be safe anyway?10:44
popeybecause you dont have an efi machine10:48
popeyand for efi you need another partition which is usually fat for the boot stuff to live in10:48
popeywhich is probably why you got dropped to grub rescue, because it couldn't find the next stage on a fat part10:48
popeys/efi machine/efi install/10:49
AlanBellit didn't like the look of /boot/grub/linux.mod10:49
AlanBellbecause the ELF format was 64bit10:50
* popey pokes gord with mame11:02
popeybug 93492111:07
lubotu3Launchpad bug 934921 in unity (Ubuntu) "HUD should ignore ALT keypress when in (full screen) games" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93492111:07
popeyits like on windows when you accidentially hit the windows key and the start menu pops up11:08
czajkowskime has no hud11:10
czajkowskiand no unity 3d just unity 2d11:10
czajkowskimorning all11:10
MooDoomorning czajkowski11:10
MyrttiWHEE, 3 3D printers!11:20
anonymousinukanyone in?11:24
anonymousinukwhats the purpose of this room?11:26
MyrttiUbuntu discussion, Ubuntu UK discussion, UK discussion and discussion, in various different percentages and timespans11:27
anonymousinuki guessed the topic where is all the chat ?11:28
anonymousinukam i missing something?11:28
popeywe chat when there is something to chat about ☺11:29
popeyif someone comes in and asks a support question for example11:29
popeyor if people already here want to discuss something11:30
lubotu3Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ . LoCo channels are now logged there too; for older LoCo channel logs, see http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/11:30
popeyyou can see from the logs how much discussion happens11:30
MyrttiI want a 3D printer :-<11:30
Myrttiwhy are they so expensive?11:30
anonymousinuksoz im ubunto newbie11:30
popeyMyrtti: yeah, they do look fun11:30
MyrttiI have no idea what I'd do with one but I still want one11:30
popeyseen the one based on the DLP?11:31
anonymousinukim a builder id love to print a house!11:31
anonymousinukso u guys r in multiple chat rooms im huessing?11:32
Myrttipopey: I just heard about it11:32
Myrttione of the 3D printer operators mentioned it11:32
Myrttithere's one Ultimaker or whatever, one reprep and one bigger one here11:32
brobostigonanonymousinuk: i am in 16, on 4 different irc networks.11:32
popeyyes anonymousinuk11:33
anonymousinuklol ok brobos gis a few decent ones (no offense meant!)11:34
* popey shrugs11:35
popeyI'm only in about 90, but a lot are related to work11:36
brobostigonthat sentence makes no sense, please rephrase.11:36
brobostigonanonymousinuk: that sentence makes no sense, please rephrase.11:36
popeysure it does ☺11:36
popeyanonymousinuk: is asking for more irc channels to chat in11:36
Myrttioh, it's a bigger reprep machine11:36
brobostigoni didnt mean you popey11:36
popeybrobostigon: i know11:36
anonymousinukok what i want is lots of txt chat to read cos im a toatal newbie11:36
popeyanonymousinuk: #ubuntu-offtopic is sometimes chatty11:37
popeyanonymousinuk: #ubuntu is for technical support, not chat, but it can be busy11:37
anonymousinukonly jus managed to get this xchat running using terminal (took me days)11:37
anonymousinuku guys get paid for this?11:40
popeynot on a saturday ☺11:40
MooDooit's all about community :D11:41
popeyanonymousinuk: a few of us work for Canonical on Ubuntu.11:41
MooDooa few of us want to work for Canonical on Ubuntu :)11:41
popeyanonymousinuk: how did you come to be using ubuntu?11:43
anonymousinukwas sik to death of locked up windows machines11:43
anonymousinukmy son has a laptop with netintelligence ubunto helped me with that i had no support from misco or netintelligence and everytime i wanted help it was gonna cost me arm n a leg jus for the phonecall11:45
anonymousinukthis ubunto looks good and so FREE!!11:45
anonymousinuky do we have windows thrust in our faces11:46
anonymousinukits so not user ''friendly''11:46
MooDoopeople grow up with it in schools, offices etc...until you get fed up and go looking for alternatives it's all you'll know11:47
anonymousinukcan u guys help with aircrack-ng tool?11:49
MooDoodo you need to crack a key?11:50
popeyhelp in what way?11:50
gordonjcpanonymousinuk: you'd be better asking in a channel more specific to aircrack11:50
popeyI agree with gordonjcp ☺11:50
gordonjcpthere's a lot involved11:50
anonymousinukok is there a chat room for everything?!11:51
gordonjcpbut these are IRC channels11:51
gordonjcp"chat rooms" are something quite different11:51
anonymousinukok gordon explain pls11:51
gordonjcpwasn't there a patch for network manager years ago that give the option to enter a WEP key, or just crack it11:51
popeyno idea11:52
anonymousinukyes ive read lots about that11:52
gordonjcpback when people still used WEP keys11:52
popeyanonymousinuk: whats the specific issue you have with aircrack?11:52
anonymousinukin my search11:52
anonymousinukdamn y my keyboard barking at me11:52
gordonjcpthat said a certain large supermarket in the UK that shall remain nameless still uses 64-bit WEP keys for its mobile tills11:53
* popey wanders off to make lunch11:53
gordonjcpwith the same key across all stores11:53
brobostigonouch. wow11:54
* gordonjcp used to do tech support for IBM, who supported the kit in Nameless Supermarket11:54
gordonjcpthey could at least use 128-bit WEP11:54
gordonjcpEvery Little Helps, after all11:55
* AlanBell figures out a great libnotify bug13:30
AlanBellBug #93513113:33
lubotu3Launchpad bug 935131 in libnotify (Ubuntu) "if the rightmost screen is not as high as the aggregate rectangle notifications are off screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93513113:33
AlanBellI have been wondering for about 6 months why my notifications were broken13:34
AlanBellnom http://akafrancie.posterous.com/taekwon-cookie-or-two14:56
directhexi keep finding myself surprised when it turns out cross-platform indie games are doin' it with mono16:20
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bigcalmIs there a list of packages ready for 12.04?18:30
bigcalmOr rather, packages available18:31
bigcalmWhen I 1st tried 12.04, things like skype weren't ready18:31
directhexhttp://mirror.ox.ac.uk/sites/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz ?18:32
bigcalmNot a human readable list then18:32
ali1234isn't skype in the partner repo? : http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/partner/binary-amd64/Packages.gz18:32
directhexit's hard to make 36000 entries human-readable18:32
penguin42bigcalm: You can search on packages.ubuntu.com18:32
bigcalmpenguin42: thank you18:33
ali1234packages.ubuntu.com doesn't include the partner repo18:34
ali1234therefore you won't find skype searching there18:34
penguin42 <sigh> that would be too easy18:34
bigcalmSkype was an example. This is good enough for me at the moment :)18:34
penguin42bigcalm: Partner stuff tends to bubble along nearer the end for new releases18:35
ali1234the partner repo is the only place you will really find missing packages in +118:37
ali1234the other repos are just clones of debian18:37
ali1234packages don't go missing from them during the cycle and then later return. well, not unless there is a bug18:38
AlanBellali1234: I think it might be in the 32bit partner repo18:38
ali1234yes, probably18:38
bigcalmI have an invisible skype window, cool!18:39
AlanBellall the business desktop remix stuff is 32bit only18:39
bigcalmI can move it around the workspaces, but it's not visible otherwise18:39
popeybigcalm: we generally dont populate the partner repo till after the release18:50
popeywe may try and pre-fill it a bit this time18:50
penguin42http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/02/malicious-backdoor-in-open-source-messaging-apps-not-spotted-for-4-months.ars   - ouch18:50
ali1234old skype still works fine on 12.04 btw18:51
ali1234penguin42: i stopped reading when i saw "PHP"18:52
ali1234is it a bug if i upgrade and all the third party packages from the previous version are still around?18:53
frodo_any ubuntu users group in London?19:02
ubuntuuk-planet[Tony] Its not what it looks like& - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2012/02/18/its-not-what-it-looks-like/19:07
frodo_could i pls get some contact info  webpage or meeting places and times.19:09
czajkowskifrodo_: nothing has been organised19:11
gordhrmm... can't get gnome to stop locking my screen after suspend19:11
czajkowskiif it does we post to the ubuntu uk mailing list19:11
czajkowskifrodo_: or we addd ti to the loco team portal on loco.ubuntu.com19:11
czajkowskifrodo_: where are you based?19:11
frodo_czy  jestes z polski ? czajkowski19:11
frodo_so why the nik ?19:12
frodo_thanks for the info19:12
czajkowskifrodo_: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-uk19:12
czajkowskibecasue it's my surname19:12
bigcalmBecause she's awesome19:13
bigcalmTime for bacon sandwiches!19:13
frodo_redhat or LPI Lunix certification , which are better ?19:19
zleapDaviey, ho19:20
zleapDaviey, hi19:20
zleapsorry keyboard issues again19:20
popeyevening all19:32
popeywelcome back CTtechguy19:39
jacobwfrodo_: doing is better19:42
matttsomeone say bacon?19:42
jacobwabout 12 hours out of phase19:43
frodo_jacobw  yes  but to do Professionally , without certs nobody will let you touch their pro equipment19:45
jacobwfrodo_: i'm not so sure about that19:46
frodo_Pls give me ideas cuz i need help , i  need to get some pro exprience,not just stuff at home ,for friends or at school .19:48
jacobwfrodo_: there's no difference between experience with linux at home or at work19:53
jacobwfrodo_: it's possible to learn networking and server applications using just virtual machines19:54
matttfrodo_: what are you trying to accomplish?19:57
matttto learn good skills, or get a job?19:57
frodo_get a job in the field .20:01
frodo_recruiters want to know how many users you managed , what kind of gear you used20:02
frodo_at home there are no deadlines ,no real cash on the line  etc .20:03
popeyzleap: just saw your mail to the list20:07
matttfrodo_: well, everyone has to start somewhere20:07
popeyzleap: would love to come down but it's 4.5 hours on the train for me20:08
matttfrodo_: get an entry-level position in support20:08
frodo_even entry -level in support are hard to come by in  this economy ,anybody  volunteered to get experience?20:10
matttlots of open source projects have volunteer infrastructure teams20:16
matttfrodo_: may i direct you at my site?  :P  http://officespaced.co.uk/20:17
frodo_thanks all20:18
* MartijnVdS will unbrick an old router using JTAG + Arduino tomorrow20:22
* MartijnVdS is scared :)20:22
jacobwinteresting, let us know how it goes :)20:22
MartijnVdSI will :)20:24
MartijnVdSSomeone wrote some hardcore bit-banging code, apparently :)20:24
MartijnVdSit'll re-flash your firmware, one bit at a time 8-)20:25
jacobwsounds slow20:26
diploEvening all20:26
jacobwhey diplo :)20:27
MartijnVdSjacobw: it is, but all I have to do is issue a 'clear this part of firmware' command20:27
MartijnVdSthen the bootloader will let me re-flash with proper firmware20:27
zleappopey, thanks,20:42
zleapyeah we are kinda out of the way,  i just thought I would ask20:42
zleapp> Raspberry PI images available20:54
zleap<zleap> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads20:54
zleap<zleap> if I try and extract I get an error message,  details here http://pastebin.com/tc6Egbtq20:54
zleapposted original comments to another channel is anyone else having issues extracting raspberry PI images20:55
Davieyzleap: you have one?20:56
zleapno these are the images on the website20:56
zleaprelease date 20th,  but the images are up20:56
zleapDaviey, on a 2nd point as you're local are you able to help with my mailing list post about promoting Ubuntu / OSS20:58
popeyzleap: download unzips fine for me, check the md5sums21:01
popeyb06eedb928b33cd515f7b8edf77b7a64  debian6-17-02-2012.zip21:01
zleapi do that in the same way as I check cd rom isos right21:01
zleapnow that as a right click option would be useful21:02
popeygisomount - A utility for mounting and managing .iso images21:03
zleapi meant more like right click, proerties and a button to calculate the md5sum21:03
zleappopey, it only has a sh1 hash thing on the page21:05
zleapwith md5sum i get 32fcd4463f1cbc33a36ad462bcd40c95  debian6-17-02-2012.zip21:05
zleapso assuming we are both doing the same thing looks like i have a bad download21:06
zleapah right click on it,  and i downloadedm, if I click on it i get taken to a page saying file is unavailble21:06
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bigcalm_Thought I'd give 12.04 on the SSD/laptop another go21:11
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zleapnite all21:30
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dogmatic69lately my pc is eating 8gigs of ram with no problems and its now using swap :/21:44
dogmatic69anything I can do about this?21:44
gorddogmatic69, run top, press m, you can see what is eating the memory21:46
dogmatic69htop, most is java21:47
dogmatic69so netbeans21:47
gordthar she blows21:47
dogmatic69it shows as 9% but like 20 processes21:47
gorddo you have say, twenty different windows open for it?21:48
dogmatic692 files open21:48
gordor have you launched it twenty times in one session?21:48
bigcalm[lappy]Did you get the PHP only version of NetBeans, or one of the other versions with more language support?21:49
dogmatic69just the empty shell and added what I needed21:50
dogmatic69chrome about://memory == 5,072,58821:50
directhexjava uses ridiculous amounts of RAM21:51
directhexbut let's all hate on mono and say it's a cheap java clone, oh yes ¬_¬21:51
roachydogmatic69: Any particular reason you're using netbeans....?  There are lots of lighter IDE's out there...22:01
dogmatic69because it is the best one imo22:02
roachyfair enough...I've fallen in love with Geany recently - but I'm not a heavy coder22:02
dogmatic69I use geany for editing text files :P22:04
dogmatic69netbeans has nice autocomplete and projects etc.22:04
dogmatic69and does code formatting22:04
dogmatic69I should maybe update it, that might help22:05
gordi should convince bigcalm[lappy] to see the light and use vim someday22:07
bigcalm[lappy]I use vim now and then22:09
bigcalm[lappy]Other things work well enough for me, such as NetBeans22:10
bigcalm[lappy]Though I would like whitespace chars to be displayed as dots, arrows and new line chars22:10
bigcalm[lappy]USC crashes when I try to load a .deb22:42
* bigcalm[lappy] heads to the CLI22:42
bigcalm[lappy]Arse. MySQL Workbench 64bit .deb for 11.10 doesn't install in 12.04 :)22:44
directhexlibmysqlclient is pretty abi unstabl;e22:50
madpuphi all23:12

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