[00:05] <AlanBell> !chroot
[00:05] <AlanBell> !grub2
[00:11] <popey> did you install i386 over the top of amd64 or vice versa AlanBell ?
[00:12] <AlanBell> nope
[00:12] <AlanBell> 64 over 64
[00:13] <AlanBell> doesn't like me installing grub :/
[00:13] <daftykins> D:
[00:14] <AlanBell> I booted to live USB, and did sudo apt-get install grub-efi-amd64
[00:14] <AlanBell> then sudo mount /dev/sda1/ /mnt
[00:15] <AlanBell> then sudo grub-install --recheck --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda
[00:15] <AlanBell> and I get told
[00:15] <AlanBell> error: cannot find a device for /mnt (is /dev mounted)
[00:15] <AlanBell> and /mnt doesn't look like an EFI partition
[00:16] <daftykins> how does EFI relate to partitions? i'd expect MBR/GPT in that context
[00:16] <AlanBell> dunno
[00:16] <AlanBell> back to a grub rescue prompt
[00:16] <hamitron> tried chrooting to /mnt?
[00:17] <AlanBell> then what?
[00:17] <hamitron> dunno
[00:17] <hamitron> ;)
[00:17] <hamitron> installing grub like ya do
[00:17] <hamitron> to mbr
[00:17]  * hamitron uses lilo
[00:18] <hamitron> just a brain fart that is of little use :/
[00:21] <popey> AlanBell: why are you installing grub-efi-amd64?
[00:21] <AlanBell> I have no idea
[00:22] <popey> ok, this is what I do to install grub...
[00:22] <popey> (did it this week on my thinkpad)
[00:22] <popey> lets note this...
[00:22] <popey> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/GrubChrootThink
[00:22] <popey> bah
[00:22] <popey> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/GrubChrootThing
[00:26] <popey> stupid etherpad
[00:27] <popey> that works then AlanBell ☺
[00:27] <AlanBell> lets see, I think I already did that
[00:27]  * AlanBell boots up
[00:28]  * AlanBell looks at a grub rescue prompt
[00:28] <popey> delightful
[00:28] <popey> do you have the usb stick still in?
[00:28] <AlanBell> nope
[00:29] <popey> can you do ls (hd0,0)/
[00:30] <AlanBell> error: no such partition
[00:30] <AlanBell> ah, interesting
[00:30] <popey> ok, so do you have mutliple disks in this thing?
[00:30] <popey> its sdb or something?
[00:30] <AlanBell> ls tells me there is (hd0,msdos1)
[00:30] <popey> sorry, my bad
[00:30] <popey> ls (hd0,1)
[00:31] <popey> ls (hd0,1)/
[00:31] <AlanBell> that is my files
[00:31] <popey> interesting
[00:31] <AlanBell> boot is in there
[00:34] <popey> can you boot to the grub menu by holding shift?
[00:34] <popey> any kernel boot lines look odd?
[00:34] <AlanBell> ok, did set prefix=(hd0,1)/boot/grub, then insmod(hd0,0)/boot/grub/linux.mod and got that elf error
[00:35] <AlanBell> holding shift makes no difference, straight to the rescue prompt
[00:35] <directhex> so which partitions do you have, exactly?
[00:36] <AlanBell> (hd0,1) and swap
[00:36] <AlanBell> oh sorry, mistype
[00:36] <AlanBell> insmod(hd0,1)/boot/grub/linux.mod
[00:37] <popey> i still think you have a mixed 32-bit/64-bit setup
[00:37] <AlanBell> this has always been 64
[00:37] <popey> ok
[00:37] <directhex> it is also caused when the version of grub in the mbr is not the version of grub in /boot
[00:37] <AlanBell> had some :i386 packages for skype or something, but I uninstalled those earlier
[00:38] <popey> but we just reinstalled grub from a chroot of the install
[00:38] <popey> so they should be the same
 error: cannot find a device for /mnt (is /dev mounted) ?
[00:39] <AlanBell> directhex: yeah, that was me not doing the chroot properly
[00:39] <popey> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/GrubChrootThing
[00:39] <popey> root@ubuntu:/# grub-install /dev/sda
[00:39] <popey> Installation finished. No error reported
[00:39] <directhex> AlanBell: so this disk, sda, only has one partition, sda1 ?
[00:39] <popey> worked later..
[00:41] <AlanBell> it has sda1 which is all the data, sda2 which is an extended container and sda5 which is swap
[00:42] <directhex> so sda1 is the only relevant partition
[00:42] <AlanBell> yes
[00:42] <directhex> how large is the disk?
[00:42] <AlanBell> 320GB
[00:44] <directhex> hm
[00:45] <AlanBell> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-grub/2011-08/msg00008.html
[00:46] <AlanBell> that seems relevant but I am not sure how to do it
[00:50] <popey> thats what we did
[00:50] <popey> grub-install /dev/sda
[00:51] <popey> file a bug in ubiquity for a start
[00:51] <popey> the fact that an install over the top has rendered it useless is worrying
[00:59] <AlanBell> Bug #934614
[01:03]  * AlanBell goes to bed :(
[01:08] <popey> ☹
[01:10] <DJones> \o/ Precise VM updated
[01:11] <popey> brave ☺
[01:12] <DJones> Not so brave, its only in virtualbox
[01:12] <DJones> Not as if its a "real" install
[01:14] <DJones> Although after seeing the mailing list today & comments in here, I didn't expect it to work
[01:15] <hamitron> this is 12.04?
[01:15] <DJones> Yes
[01:15] <hamitron> !precise
[01:15] <hamitron> ah yeh
[01:15] <hamitron> :)
[06:48] <MartijnVdS> 16th already
[07:57] <shauno> MartijnVdS: stuff like that makes me feel old and boring.  it used to be "wow, I can't believe we're half way thru the month already.  where did it go?"
[07:58] <shauno> now I just do the math and figure out how many days until payday
[07:58] <shauno> wait, it's not the 16th, you're talking about something else.  nm :)
[08:35] <MartijnVdS> shauno: 16th Ubuntu release
[08:35] <MartijnVdS> shauno: still.. 8 years
[08:36]  * MartijnVdS would never have guessed, in that NH Hotel in Mataro ;)
[08:37] <MartijnVdS> (One of the?) first "UDS" (it wasn't called that) ever: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/4028038769/in/set-72157622499451161/
[09:02] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:10] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:16] <AlanBell> morning all
[09:17] <AlanBell> so, unbricking my laptop today
[09:17] <MooDoo> morning alan
[09:17] <MooDoo> AlanBell: how you brick it in the first place?
[09:17] <AlanBell> did a precise re-install over the top of my precise install
[09:18] <AlanBell> now boots to a grub rescue prompt
[09:18] <MooDoo> ooops
[09:18] <AlanBell> and grub-reinstall from a chroot looks like it works but doesn't
[09:19] <AlanBell> bug 934614
[09:36] <AlanBell> linux.mod: ELF 64-bit LSB relocatable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped
[09:36] <AlanBell> is that the ELF magic I wonder?
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: ELF magic is a recognisable part of the header of the ELF file, I guess
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: objdump \o/
[09:37] <AlanBell> how do I do that?
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: objdump -x file.elf
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: could it be a 32/64-bit mismatch?
[09:38] <AlanBell> well I don't think so, this laptop has never been near 32 bit
[09:38] <MartijnVdS> linux.mod:                   ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped
[09:38] <MartijnVdS> ^ that's /boot/grub/linux.mod on my 64-bit 12.04 machine
[09:38] <AlanBell> O.o
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> $ sha1sum linux.mod
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> d52bc34db1ea4756a757a96dfd22ae890cc3fff0  linux.mod
[09:40] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/847023/
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: I have version 1.99-14ubuntu2 of grub-common, grub2-common, grub-pc and grub-pc-bin
[09:40] <AlanBell> 904f500fa3683d6469b836aa2df114c072d97a59  linux.mod
[09:41] <AlanBell> grub-install (GRUB) 1.99-14ubuntu2
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> hmmmm
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> sounds like you have some corruption
[09:41] <AlanBell> not sure about that
[09:42] <AlanBell> you have Intel 80386
[09:42] <AlanBell> I have x86-64
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: $ dpkg --print-architecture
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> amd64
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> This is a 64-bit install. But grub is 32-bit :)
[09:43] <AlanBell> amd64 on the live USB I have booted from (the one I reinstalled)
[09:43] <AlanBell> I have 64bit grub :/
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> Stränge
[09:43] <AlanBell> well I have 64bit grub modules
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: can you pastebin: $ dpkg -l \*grub\*
[09:44] <AlanBell> I suspect the boot sector is looking for 32bit modules or something, does that make sense?
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: (on the target system)
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: that's what's happening, I guess -- 64-bit mode is harder to initialize than 32-bit
[09:44] <AlanBell> in a chroot?
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> in the chroot
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: you might have an EFI version of Grub installed.. that has to be 64-bit because EFI tends to run in 64-bit mode
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: the other option is grub-pc which is the "old-style" PC booting (boot sector, etc.)
[09:46] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/847027/
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> that's exactly what I have
[09:47] <AlanBell> so how do I do grub-pc?
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> Bind-mount /proc /sys and /dev into the chroot
[09:48] <AlanBell> yup, done that
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> then in the chroot, do "grub-install /dev/sda"
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> or whatever drive
[09:48] <AlanBell> Installation finished. No error reported.
[09:48] <daubers> Morning
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> then the boot-sector bit's bits should match with the /boot bits
[09:48] <AlanBell> but we did that before
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: hmm..
[09:49] <AlanBell> what is the grub-pc bit??
[09:49] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: it's "PC booting" support for Grub
[09:49] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: (as opposed to EFI booting, or some kind of exotic ARM booting)
[09:50] <AlanBell> so what package provides /boot/grub/linux.mod? there is a dpkg command to find that I think
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> dpkg -S
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> ah, grub copies it I think
[09:51] <AlanBell> dpkg -S /boot/grub/linux.mod
[09:51] <AlanBell> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /boot/grub/linux.mod.
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> from /usr/lib/grub/
[09:51] <AlanBell> root@ubuntu:/usr/lib/grub# ls
[09:51] <AlanBell> grub-mkconfig_lib  i386-pc  update-grub_lib  x86_64-efi
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> which only contains an i386-pc subdir on my machine
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> dpkg -S the EFI dir?
[09:52] <AlanBell> grub-efi-amd64-bin
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> remove that :)
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> then do the grub-install again
[09:54] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/847030/
[09:54] <AlanBell> lost my grub-install
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: do you still have the 'grub-pc' package?
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> because /usr/sbin/grub-install is in that package
[09:54] <AlanBell> installing it now
[09:55] <AlanBell> ooh, this looks interesting, aubergine screen
[09:55] <MartijnVdS> ah wait.. I only saw the top bit of the pastebin
[09:55] <AlanBell> will install to all of them
[09:55] <MartijnVdS> you need:
[09:55] <MartijnVdS> grub-common, grub2-common, grub-pc and grub-pc-bin
[09:55] <MartijnVdS> grub-efi* you probably don't need
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> unless on a mac or a VERY new PC
[09:56]  * MartijnVdS has to go, good luck fixing it :)
[09:56] <AlanBell>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/847033/
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> partitionless disk?
[09:57] <AlanBell> no, it has partitions
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: popey knows a lot about booting :)
[09:57] <AlanBell> yeah, popey was helping last night
[09:58] <AlanBell> I think this may have done something
[09:58] <AlanBell> I now have 80386 module in /boot/grub
[09:58] <AlanBell> reboot time, see you on the other side o/
[09:59]  * AlanBell adds 1 to the number of beers owed to MartijnVdS \o/
[10:28] <popey> morning all
[10:28] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:28] <brobostigon> morning popey
[10:28] <popey> ahhhh, good spot MartijnVdS
[10:39] <AlanBell> yay, I now have unity3d working again
[10:39] <AlanBell> that was *epic*
[10:41] <brobostigon> :) \o/
[10:41] <AlanBell> with unity 5.4 and the still slightly nuts HUD
[10:41] <Myrtti> ho hum
[10:42] <Myrtti> trying desperately to wake up enough to pay attention to what I'm writing and what others are doing
[10:43] <popey> AlanBell: so the only screw up was you installing grub-efi ☺
[10:43] <AlanBell> not convinced, it broke itself and I started badly trying to fix it
[10:44] <AlanBell> I had no intention whatsoever of going anywhere near grub
[10:44] <AlanBell> and anyhow, why couldn't that be safe anyway?
[10:48] <popey> because you dont have an efi machine
[10:48] <popey> and for efi you need another partition which is usually fat for the boot stuff to live in
[10:48] <popey> which is probably why you got dropped to grub rescue, because it couldn't find the next stage on a fat part
[10:49] <popey> s/efi machine/efi install/
[10:49] <AlanBell> it didn't like the look of /boot/grub/linux.mod
[10:50] <AlanBell> because the ELF format was 64bit
[11:02]  * popey pokes gord  with mame
[11:07] <popey> bug 934921
[11:08] <popey> its like on windows when you accidentially hit the windows key and the start menu pops up
[11:10] <czajkowski> me has no hud
[11:10] <czajkowski> and no unity 3d just unity 2d
[11:10] <czajkowski> morning all
[11:10] <MooDoo> morning czajkowski
[11:20] <Myrtti> WHEE, 3 3D printers!
[11:24] <anonymousinuk> anyone in?
[11:24] <brobostigon> o/
[11:26] <anonymousinuk> whats the purpose of this room?
[11:27] <Myrtti> Ubuntu discussion, Ubuntu UK discussion, UK discussion and discussion, in various different percentages and timespans
[11:28] <anonymousinuk> i guessed the topic where is all the chat ?
[11:28] <anonymousinuk> am i missing something?
[11:29] <popey> we chat when there is something to chat about ☺
[11:29] <anonymousinuk> lol
[11:29] <popey> if someone comes in and asks a support question for example
[11:30] <popey> or if people already here want to discuss something
[11:30] <popey> !logs
[11:30] <popey> you can see from the logs how much discussion happens
[11:30] <Myrtti> I want a 3D printer :-<
[11:30] <Myrtti> why are they so expensive?
[11:30] <anonymousinuk> soz im ubunto newbie
[11:30] <popey> Myrtti: yeah, they do look fun
[11:30] <Myrtti> I have no idea what I'd do with one but I still want one
[11:31] <popey> seen the one based on the DLP?
[11:31] <anonymousinuk> im a builder id love to print a house!
[11:31] <popey> http://3dlprint.com/
[11:31] <popey> hah
[11:32] <anonymousinuk> so u guys r in multiple chat rooms im huessing?
[11:32] <Myrtti> popey: I just heard about it
[11:32] <Myrtti> one of the 3D printer operators mentioned it
[11:32] <Myrtti> there's one Ultimaker or whatever, one reprep and one bigger one here
[11:32] <brobostigon> anonymousinuk: i am in 16, on 4 different irc networks.
[11:33] <popey> yes anonymousinuk
[11:34] <anonymousinuk> lol ok brobos gis a few decent ones (no offense meant!)
[11:35]  * popey shrugs
[11:36] <popey> I'm only in about 90, but a lot are related to work
[11:36] <brobostigon> that sentence makes no sense, please rephrase.
[11:36] <brobostigon> anonymousinuk: that sentence makes no sense, please rephrase.
[11:36] <popey> sure it does ☺
[11:36] <popey> anonymousinuk: is asking for more irc channels to chat in
[11:36] <Myrtti> oh, it's a bigger reprep machine
[11:36] <brobostigon> i didnt mean you popey
[11:36] <popey> brobostigon: i know
[11:36] <anonymousinuk> ok what i want is lots of txt chat to read cos im a toatal newbie
[11:37] <popey> anonymousinuk: #ubuntu-offtopic is sometimes chatty
[11:37] <popey> anonymousinuk: #ubuntu is for technical support, not chat, but it can be busy
[11:37] <anonymousinuk> only jus managed to get this xchat running using terminal (took me days)
[11:40] <anonymousinuk> u guys get paid for this?
[11:40] <brobostigon> no
[11:40] <popey> not on a saturday ☺
[11:41] <MooDoo> it's all about community :D
[11:41] <popey> anonymousinuk: a few of us work for Canonical on Ubuntu.
[11:41] <MooDoo> a few of us want to work for Canonical on Ubuntu :)
[11:43] <popey> anonymousinuk: how did you come to be using ubuntu?
[11:43] <anonymousinuk> was sik to death of locked up windows machines
[11:44] <popey> understandable
[11:45] <anonymousinuk> my son has a laptop with netintelligence ubunto helped me with that i had no support from misco or netintelligence and everytime i wanted help it was gonna cost me arm n a leg jus for the phonecall
[11:45] <anonymousinuk> this ubunto looks good and so FREE!!
[11:46] <anonymousinuk> y do we have windows thrust in our faces
[11:46] <popey> heh
[11:46] <anonymousinuk> its so not user ''friendly''
[11:47] <MooDoo> people grow up with it in schools, offices etc...until you get fed up and go looking for alternatives it's all you'll know
[11:49] <anonymousinuk> can u guys help with aircrack-ng tool?
[11:50] <MooDoo> do you need to crack a key?
[11:50] <popey> help in what way?
[11:50] <gordonjcp> anonymousinuk: you'd be better asking in a channel more specific to aircrack
[11:50] <popey> I agree with gordonjcp ☺
[11:50] <gordonjcp> there's a lot involved
[11:51] <anonymousinuk> ok is there a chat room for everything?!
[11:51] <gordonjcp> possibly
[11:51] <gordonjcp> but these are IRC channels
[11:51] <gordonjcp> "chat rooms" are something quite different
[11:51] <anonymousinuk> ok gordon explain pls
[11:51] <gordonjcp> wasn't there a patch for network manager years ago that give the option to enter a WEP key, or just crack it
[11:52] <popey> no idea
[11:52] <anonymousinuk> yes ive read lots about that
[11:52] <gordonjcp> back when people still used WEP keys
[11:52] <popey> anonymousinuk: whats the specific issue you have with aircrack?
[11:52] <anonymousinuk> in my search
[11:52] <anonymousinuk> damn y my keyboard barking at me
[11:53] <anonymousinuk> k
[11:53] <gordonjcp> that said a certain large supermarket in the UK that shall remain nameless still uses 64-bit WEP keys for its mobile tills
[11:53]  * popey wanders off to make lunch
[11:53] <gordonjcp> with the same key across all stores
[11:54] <brobostigon> ouch. wow
[11:54]  * gordonjcp used to do tech support for IBM, who supported the kit in Nameless Supermarket
[11:54] <gordonjcp> horrifying
[11:54] <gordonjcp> they could at least use 128-bit WEP
[11:54] <brobostigon> agreed.
[11:55] <gordonjcp> Every Little Helps, after all
[11:55] <brobostigon> agreed.
[13:30]  * AlanBell figures out a great libnotify bug
[13:33] <AlanBell> Bug #935131
[13:34] <AlanBell> I have been wondering for about 6 months why my notifications were broken
[14:56] <AlanBell> nom http://akafrancie.posterous.com/taekwon-cookie-or-two
[15:45] <mattt> wewt
[16:20] <directhex> i keep finding myself surprised when it turns out cross-platform indie games are doin' it with mono
[16:21] <directhex> http://blendogames.com/atomzombiesmasher/
[18:30] <bigcalm> Is there a list of packages ready for 12.04?
[18:31] <directhex> ?
[18:31] <bigcalm> Or rather, packages available
[18:31] <bigcalm> When I 1st tried 12.04, things like skype weren't ready
[18:32] <directhex> http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/sites/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz ?
[18:32] <bigcalm> Not a human readable list then
[18:32] <ali1234> isn't skype in the partner repo? : http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/partner/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
[18:32] <directhex> it's hard to make 36000 entries human-readable
[18:32] <penguin42> bigcalm: You can search on packages.ubuntu.com
[18:33] <bigcalm> penguin42: thank you
[18:34] <ali1234> packages.ubuntu.com doesn't include the partner repo
[18:34] <ali1234> therefore you won't find skype searching there
[18:34] <penguin42>  <sigh> that would be too easy
[18:34] <bigcalm> Skype was an example. This is good enough for me at the moment :)
[18:35] <penguin42> bigcalm: Partner stuff tends to bubble along nearer the end for new releases
[18:37] <ali1234> the partner repo is the only place you will really find missing packages in +1
[18:37] <ali1234> the other repos are just clones of debian
[18:38] <ali1234> packages don't go missing from them during the cycle and then later return. well, not unless there is a bug
[18:38] <AlanBell> ali1234: I think it might be in the 32bit partner repo
[18:38] <ali1234> yes, probably
[18:39] <bigcalm> I have an invisible skype window, cool!
[18:39] <AlanBell> all the business desktop remix stuff is 32bit only
[18:39] <bigcalm> I can move it around the workspaces, but it's not visible otherwise
[18:39] <bigcalm> (xfce)
[18:50] <popey> bigcalm: we generally dont populate the partner repo till after the release
[18:50] <popey> we may try and pre-fill it a bit this time
[18:50] <penguin42> http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/02/malicious-backdoor-in-open-source-messaging-apps-not-spotted-for-4-months.ars   - ouch
[18:51] <ali1234> old skype still works fine on 12.04 btw
[18:52] <ali1234> penguin42: i stopped reading when i saw "PHP"
[18:53] <ali1234> is it a bug if i upgrade and all the third party packages from the previous version are still around?
[19:02] <frodo_> any ubuntu users group in London?
[19:06] <czajkowski> yes
[19:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Its not what it looks like& - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2012/02/18/its-not-what-it-looks-like/
[19:09] <frodo_> could i pls get some contact info  webpage or meeting places and times.
[19:11] <czajkowski> frodo_: nothing has been organised
[19:11] <gord> hrmm... can't get gnome to stop locking my screen after suspend
[19:11] <czajkowski> if it does we post to the ubuntu uk mailing list
[19:11] <czajkowski> frodo_: or we addd ti to the loco team portal on loco.ubuntu.com
[19:11] <czajkowski> frodo_: where are you based?
[19:11] <frodo_> czy  jestes z polski ? czajkowski
[19:12] <czajkowski> nope
[19:12] <czajkowski> irish
[19:12] <frodo_> so why the nik ?
[19:12] <frodo_> thanks for the info
[19:12] <czajkowski> frodo_: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-uk
[19:12] <czajkowski> becasue it's my surname
[19:12] <czajkowski> *because
[19:13] <bigcalm> Because she's awesome
[19:13] <bigcalm> Time for bacon sandwiches!
[19:19] <frodo_> redhat or LPI Lunix certification , which are better ?
[19:20] <zleap> Daviey, ho
[19:20] <zleap> hi
[19:20] <zleap> Daviey, hi
[19:20] <zleap> sorry keyboard issues again
[19:32] <popey> evening all
[19:39] <popey> welcome back CTtechguy
[19:42] <jacobw> frodo_: doing is better
[19:42] <mattt> someone say bacon?
[19:43] <jacobw> yes
[19:43] <jacobw> about 12 hours out of phase
[19:45] <frodo_> jacobw  yes  but to do Professionally , without certs nobody will let you touch their pro equipment
[19:46] <jacobw> frodo_: i'm not so sure about that
[19:48] <frodo_> Pls give me ideas cuz i need help , i  need to get some pro exprience,not just stuff at home ,for friends or at school .
[19:53] <jacobw> frodo_: there's no difference between experience with linux at home or at work
[19:54] <jacobw> frodo_: it's possible to learn networking and server applications using just virtual machines
[19:57] <mattt> frodo_: what are you trying to accomplish?
[19:57] <mattt> to learn good skills, or get a job?
[20:01] <frodo_> get a job in the field .
[20:02] <frodo_> recruiters want to know how many users you managed , what kind of gear you used
[20:03] <frodo_> at home there are no deadlines ,no real cash on the line  etc .
[20:07] <popey> zleap: just saw your mail to the list
[20:07] <mattt> frodo_: well, everyone has to start somewhere
[20:08] <popey> zleap: would love to come down but it's 4.5 hours on the train for me
[20:08] <mattt> frodo_: get an entry-level position in support
[20:10] <frodo_> even entry -level in support are hard to come by in  this economy ,anybody  volunteered to get experience?
[20:16] <mattt> lots of open source projects have volunteer infrastructure teams
[20:16] <popey> yup
[20:17] <mattt> frodo_: may i direct you at my site?  :P  http://officespaced.co.uk/
[20:18] <frodo_> thanks all
[20:22]  * MartijnVdS will unbrick an old router using JTAG + Arduino tomorrow
[20:22]  * MartijnVdS is scared :)
[20:22] <jacobw> ah
[20:22] <jacobw> interesting, let us know how it goes :)
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> I will :)
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> Someone wrote some hardcore bit-banging code, apparently :)
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> it'll re-flash your firmware, one bit at a time 8-)
[20:26] <jacobw> sounds slow
[20:26] <diplo> Evening all
[20:27] <jacobw> hey diplo :)
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: it is, but all I have to do is issue a 'clear this part of firmware' command
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> then the bootloader will let me re-flash with proper firmware
[20:42] <zleap> popey, thanks,
[20:42] <zleap> yeah we are kinda out of the way,  i just thought I would ask
[20:54] <zleap> p> Raspberry PI images available
 http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
 if I try and extract I get an error message,  details here http://pastebin.com/tc6Egbtq
[20:55] <zleap> posted original comments to another channel is anyone else having issues extracting raspberry PI images
[20:56] <Daviey> zleap: you have one?
[20:56] <zleap> no these are the images on the website
[20:56] <zleap> release date 20th,  but the images are up
[20:57] <Daviey> ahh
[20:58] <zleap> Daviey, on a 2nd point as you're local are you able to help with my mailing list post about promoting Ubuntu / OSS
[21:01] <popey> zleap: download unzips fine for me, check the md5sums
[21:01] <zleap> ok
[21:01] <popey> b06eedb928b33cd515f7b8edf77b7a64  debian6-17-02-2012.zip
[21:01] <zleap> i do that in the same way as I check cd rom isos right
[21:02] <zleap> now that as a right click option would be useful
[21:03] <popey> gisomount - A utility for mounting and managing .iso images
[21:03] <zleap> ah
[21:03] <zleap> i meant more like right click, proerties and a button to calculate the md5sum
[21:05] <zleap> popey, it only has a sh1 hash thing on the page
[21:05] <zleap> with md5sum i get 32fcd4463f1cbc33a36ad462bcd40c95  debian6-17-02-2012.zip
[21:06] <zleap> so assuming we are both doing the same thing looks like i have a bad download
[21:06] <zleap> ah right click on it,  and i downloadedm, if I click on it i get taken to a page saying file is unavailble
[21:11] <bigcalm_> Thought I'd give 12.04 on the SSD/laptop another go
[21:30] <zleap> nite all
[21:44] <dogmatic69> lately my pc is eating 8gigs of ram with no problems and its now using swap :/
[21:44] <dogmatic69> anything I can do about this?
[21:46] <gord> dogmatic69, run top, press m, you can see what is eating the memory
[21:47] <dogmatic69> htop, most is java
[21:47] <dogmatic69> so netbeans
[21:47] <gord> thar she blows
[21:47] <dogmatic69> it shows as 9% but like 20 processes
[21:48] <gord> do you have say, twenty different windows open for it?
[21:48] <dogmatic69> 2 files open
[21:48] <gord> or have you launched it twenty times in one session?
[21:49] <bigcalm[lappy]> Did you get the PHP only version of NetBeans, or one of the other versions with more language support?
[21:50] <dogmatic69> just the empty shell and added what I needed
[21:50] <dogmatic69> chrome about://memory == 5,072,588
[21:50] <dogmatic69> :/
[21:51] <directhex> java uses ridiculous amounts of RAM
[21:51] <directhex> but let's all hate on mono and say it's a cheap java clone, oh yes ¬_¬
[21:52] <gord> wut
[22:01] <roachy> dogmatic69: Any particular reason you're using netbeans....?  There are lots of lighter IDE's out there...
[22:02] <dogmatic69> because it is the best one imo
[22:02] <roachy> fair enough...I've fallen in love with Geany recently - but I'm not a heavy coder
[22:04] <dogmatic69> I use geany for editing text files :P
[22:04] <dogmatic69> netbeans has nice autocomplete and projects etc.
[22:04] <dogmatic69> and does code formatting
[22:05] <dogmatic69> I should maybe update it, that might help
[22:07] <gord> i should convince bigcalm[lappy] to see the light and use vim someday
[22:09] <bigcalm[lappy]> I use vim now and then
[22:10] <bigcalm[lappy]> Other things work well enough for me, such as NetBeans
[22:10] <bigcalm[lappy]> Though I would like whitespace chars to be displayed as dots, arrows and new line chars
[22:42] <bigcalm[lappy]> USC crashes when I try to load a .deb
[22:42]  * bigcalm[lappy] heads to the CLI
[22:44] <bigcalm[lappy]> Arse. MySQL Workbench 64bit .deb for 11.10 doesn't install in 12.04 :)
[22:50] <directhex> libmysqlclient is pretty abi unstabl;e
[23:12] <madpup> hi all