[00:05] !chroot [00:05] A chroot is used to make programs believe that the directory they are running in is really the root directory. It can be used to stop programs accessing files outside of that directory, or for compiling 32bit applications in a 64bit environment - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot [00:05] !grub2 [00:05] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10) [00:11] did you install i386 over the top of amd64 or vice versa AlanBell ? [00:12] nope [00:12] 64 over 64 [00:13] doesn't like me installing grub :/ [00:13] D: [00:14] I booted to live USB, and did sudo apt-get install grub-efi-amd64 [00:14] then sudo mount /dev/sda1/ /mnt [00:15] then sudo grub-install --recheck --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda [00:15] and I get told [00:15] error: cannot find a device for /mnt (is /dev mounted) [00:15] and /mnt doesn't look like an EFI partition [00:16] how does EFI relate to partitions? i'd expect MBR/GPT in that context [00:16] dunno [00:16] back to a grub rescue prompt [00:16] tried chrooting to /mnt? [00:17] then what? [00:17] dunno [00:17] ;) [00:17] installing grub like ya do [00:17] to mbr [00:17] * hamitron uses lilo [00:18] just a brain fart that is of little use :/ [00:21] AlanBell: why are you installing grub-efi-amd64? [00:21] I have no idea [00:22] ok, this is what I do to install grub... [00:22] (did it this week on my thinkpad) [00:22] lets note this... [00:22] http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/GrubChrootThink [00:22] bah [00:22] http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/GrubChrootThing [00:26] stupid etherpad [00:27] that works then AlanBell ☺ [00:27] lets see, I think I already did that [00:27] * AlanBell boots up [00:28] * AlanBell looks at a grub rescue prompt [00:28] delightful [00:28] do you have the usb stick still in? [00:28] nope [00:29] can you do ls (hd0,0)/ [00:30] error: no such partition [00:30] ah, interesting [00:30] ok, so do you have mutliple disks in this thing? [00:30] its sdb or something? [00:30] ls tells me there is (hd0,msdos1) [00:30] sorry, my bad [00:30] ls (hd0,1) [00:31] ls (hd0,1)/ [00:31] that is my files [00:31] interesting [00:31] boot is in there [00:34] can you boot to the grub menu by holding shift? [00:34] any kernel boot lines look odd? [00:34] ok, did set prefix=(hd0,1)/boot/grub, then insmod(hd0,0)/boot/grub/linux.mod and got that elf error [00:35] holding shift makes no difference, straight to the rescue prompt [00:35] so which partitions do you have, exactly? [00:36] (hd0,1) and swap [00:36] oh sorry, mistype [00:36] insmod(hd0,1)/boot/grub/linux.mod [00:37] i still think you have a mixed 32-bit/64-bit setup [00:37] this has always been 64 [00:37] ok [00:37] it is also caused when the version of grub in the mbr is not the version of grub in /boot [00:37] had some :i386 packages for skype or something, but I uninstalled those earlier [00:38] but we just reinstalled grub from a chroot of the install [00:38] so they should be the same [00:38] error: cannot find a device for /mnt (is /dev mounted) ? [00:39] directhex: yeah, that was me not doing the chroot properly [00:39] http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/GrubChrootThing [00:39] root@ubuntu:/# grub-install /dev/sda [00:39] Installation finished. No error reported [00:39] AlanBell: so this disk, sda, only has one partition, sda1 ? [00:39] worked later.. [00:41] it has sda1 which is all the data, sda2 which is an extended container and sda5 which is swap [00:42] so sda1 is the only relevant partition [00:42] yes [00:42] how large is the disk? [00:42] 320GB [00:44] hm [00:45] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-grub/2011-08/msg00008.html [00:46] that seems relevant but I am not sure how to do it [00:50] thats what we did [00:50] grub-install /dev/sda [00:51] file a bug in ubiquity for a start [00:51] the fact that an install over the top has rendered it useless is worrying [00:59] Bug #934614 [00:59] Launchpad bug 934614 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "reinstall of precise breaks grub with invalid arch independent ELF magic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/934614 [01:03] * AlanBell goes to bed :( [01:08] ☹ [01:10] \o/ Precise VM updated [01:11] brave ☺ [01:12] Not so brave, its only in virtualbox [01:12] Not as if its a "real" install [01:14] Although after seeing the mailing list today & comments in here, I didn't expect it to work [01:15] this is 12.04? [01:15] Yes [01:15] !precise [01:15] Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin) will be the sixteenth release of Ubuntu. Codename announcement here: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/784 - Blueprints at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1 [01:15] ah yeh [01:15] :) === CTtechguy_ is now known as CTtechguy [06:48] 16th already [07:57] MartijnVdS: stuff like that makes me feel old and boring. it used to be "wow, I can't believe we're half way thru the month already. where did it go?" [07:58] now I just do the math and figure out how many days until payday [07:58] wait, it's not the 16th, you're talking about something else. nm :) [08:35] shauno: 16th Ubuntu release [08:35] shauno: still.. 8 years [08:36] * MartijnVdS would never have guessed, in that NH Hotel in Mataro ;) [08:37] (One of the?) first "UDS" (it wasn't called that) ever: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/4028038769/in/set-72157622499451161/ [09:02] morning all [09:10] \o [09:16] morning all [09:17] so, unbricking my laptop today [09:17] morning alan [09:17] AlanBell: how you brick it in the first place? [09:17] did a precise re-install over the top of my precise install [09:18] now boots to a grub rescue prompt [09:18] ooops [09:18] and grub-reinstall from a chroot looks like it works but doesn't [09:19] bug 934614 [09:19] Launchpad bug 934614 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "reinstall of precise breaks grub with invalid arch independent ELF magic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/934614 [09:36] linux.mod: ELF 64-bit LSB relocatable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped [09:36] is that the ELF magic I wonder? [09:36] AlanBell: ELF magic is a recognisable part of the header of the ELF file, I guess [09:36] AlanBell: objdump \o/ [09:37] how do I do that? [09:37] AlanBell: objdump -x file.elf [09:37] AlanBell: could it be a 32/64-bit mismatch? [09:38] well I don't think so, this laptop has never been near 32 bit [09:38] linux.mod: ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped [09:38] ^ that's /boot/grub/linux.mod on my 64-bit 12.04 machine [09:38] O.o [09:39] $ sha1sum linux.mod [09:39] d52bc34db1ea4756a757a96dfd22ae890cc3fff0 linux.mod [09:40] http://paste.ubuntu.com/847023/ [09:40] AlanBell: I have version 1.99-14ubuntu2 of grub-common, grub2-common, grub-pc and grub-pc-bin [09:40] 904f500fa3683d6469b836aa2df114c072d97a59 linux.mod [09:41] grub-install (GRUB) 1.99-14ubuntu2 [09:41] hmmmm [09:41] sounds like you have some corruption [09:41] not sure about that [09:42] you have Intel 80386 [09:42] I have x86-64 [09:42] AlanBell: $ dpkg --print-architecture [09:42] amd64 [09:43] This is a 64-bit install. But grub is 32-bit :) [09:43] amd64 on the live USB I have booted from (the one I reinstalled) [09:43] I have 64bit grub :/ [09:43] Stränge [09:43] well I have 64bit grub modules [09:44] AlanBell: can you pastebin: $ dpkg -l \*grub\* [09:44] I suspect the boot sector is looking for 32bit modules or something, does that make sense? [09:44] AlanBell: (on the target system) [09:44] AlanBell: that's what's happening, I guess -- 64-bit mode is harder to initialize than 32-bit [09:44] in a chroot? [09:44] in the chroot [09:45] AlanBell: you might have an EFI version of Grub installed.. that has to be 64-bit because EFI tends to run in 64-bit mode [09:45] AlanBell: the other option is grub-pc which is the "old-style" PC booting (boot sector, etc.) [09:46] http://paste.ubuntu.com/847027/ [09:47] that's exactly what I have [09:47] so how do I do grub-pc? [09:47] Bind-mount /proc /sys and /dev into the chroot [09:48] yup, done that [09:48] then in the chroot, do "grub-install /dev/sda" [09:48] or whatever drive [09:48] Installation finished. No error reported. [09:48] Morning [09:48] then the boot-sector bit's bits should match with the /boot bits [09:48] but we did that before [09:48] AlanBell: hmm.. [09:49] what is the grub-pc bit?? [09:49] AlanBell: it's "PC booting" support for Grub [09:49] AlanBell: (as opposed to EFI booting, or some kind of exotic ARM booting) [09:50] so what package provides /boot/grub/linux.mod? there is a dpkg command to find that I think [09:50] dpkg -S [09:51] ah, grub copies it I think [09:51] dpkg -S /boot/grub/linux.mod [09:51] dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /boot/grub/linux.mod. [09:51] from /usr/lib/grub/ [09:51] root@ubuntu:/usr/lib/grub# ls [09:51] grub-mkconfig_lib i386-pc update-grub_lib x86_64-efi [09:51] which only contains an i386-pc subdir on my machine [09:51] dpkg -S the EFI dir? [09:52] grub-efi-amd64-bin [09:52] remove that :) [09:52] then do the grub-install again [09:54] http://paste.ubuntu.com/847030/ [09:54] lost my grub-install [09:54] AlanBell: do you still have the 'grub-pc' package? [09:54] because /usr/sbin/grub-install is in that package [09:54] installing it now [09:55] ooh, this looks interesting, aubergine screen [09:55] ah wait.. I only saw the top bit of the pastebin [09:55] will install to all of them [09:55] you need: [09:55] grub-common, grub2-common, grub-pc and grub-pc-bin [09:55] grub-efi* you probably don't need [09:56] unless on a mac or a VERY new PC [09:56] * MartijnVdS has to go, good luck fixing it :) [09:56] http://paste.ubuntu.com/847033/ [09:57] partitionless disk? [09:57] no, it has partitions [09:57] AlanBell: popey knows a lot about booting :) [09:57] yeah, popey was helping last night [09:58] I think this may have done something [09:58] I now have 80386 module in /boot/grub [09:58] reboot time, see you on the other side o/ [09:59] * AlanBell adds 1 to the number of beers owed to MartijnVdS \o/ [10:28] morning all [10:28] good morning everyone. [10:28] morning popey [10:28] ahhhh, good spot MartijnVdS [10:39] yay, I now have unity3d working again [10:39] that was *epic* [10:41] :) \o/ [10:41] with unity 5.4 and the still slightly nuts HUD [10:41] ho hum [10:42] trying desperately to wake up enough to pay attention to what I'm writing and what others are doing [10:43] AlanBell: so the only screw up was you installing grub-efi ☺ [10:43] not convinced, it broke itself and I started badly trying to fix it [10:44] I had no intention whatsoever of going anywhere near grub [10:44] and anyhow, why couldn't that be safe anyway? [10:48] because you dont have an efi machine [10:48] and for efi you need another partition which is usually fat for the boot stuff to live in [10:48] which is probably why you got dropped to grub rescue, because it couldn't find the next stage on a fat part [10:49] s/efi machine/efi install/ [10:49] it didn't like the look of /boot/grub/linux.mod [10:50] because the ELF format was 64bit [11:02] * popey pokes gord with mame [11:07] bug 934921 [11:07] Launchpad bug 934921 in unity (Ubuntu) "HUD should ignore ALT keypress when in (full screen) games" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/934921 [11:08] its like on windows when you accidentially hit the windows key and the start menu pops up [11:10] me has no hud [11:10] and no unity 3d just unity 2d [11:10] morning all [11:10] morning czajkowski [11:20] WHEE, 3 3D printers! [11:24] anyone in? [11:24] o/ [11:26] whats the purpose of this room? [11:27] Ubuntu discussion, Ubuntu UK discussion, UK discussion and discussion, in various different percentages and timespans [11:28] i guessed the topic where is all the chat ? [11:28] am i missing something? [11:29] we chat when there is something to chat about ☺ [11:29] lol [11:29] if someone comes in and asks a support question for example [11:30] or if people already here want to discuss something [11:30] !logs [11:30] Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ . LoCo channels are now logged there too; for older LoCo channel logs, see http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [11:30] you can see from the logs how much discussion happens [11:30] I want a 3D printer :-< [11:30] why are they so expensive? [11:30] soz im ubunto newbie [11:30] Myrtti: yeah, they do look fun [11:30] I have no idea what I'd do with one but I still want one [11:31] seen the one based on the DLP? [11:31] im a builder id love to print a house! [11:31] http://3dlprint.com/ [11:31] hah [11:32] so u guys r in multiple chat rooms im huessing? [11:32] popey: I just heard about it [11:32] one of the 3D printer operators mentioned it [11:32] there's one Ultimaker or whatever, one reprep and one bigger one here [11:32] anonymousinuk: i am in 16, on 4 different irc networks. [11:33] yes anonymousinuk [11:34] lol ok brobos gis a few decent ones (no offense meant!) [11:35] * popey shrugs [11:36] I'm only in about 90, but a lot are related to work [11:36] that sentence makes no sense, please rephrase. [11:36] anonymousinuk: that sentence makes no sense, please rephrase. [11:36] sure it does ☺ [11:36] anonymousinuk: is asking for more irc channels to chat in [11:36] oh, it's a bigger reprep machine [11:36] i didnt mean you popey [11:36] brobostigon: i know [11:36] ok what i want is lots of txt chat to read cos im a toatal newbie [11:37] anonymousinuk: #ubuntu-offtopic is sometimes chatty [11:37] anonymousinuk: #ubuntu is for technical support, not chat, but it can be busy [11:37] only jus managed to get this xchat running using terminal (took me days) [11:40] u guys get paid for this? [11:40] no [11:40] not on a saturday ☺ [11:41] it's all about community :D [11:41] anonymousinuk: a few of us work for Canonical on Ubuntu. [11:41] a few of us want to work for Canonical on Ubuntu :) [11:43] anonymousinuk: how did you come to be using ubuntu? [11:43] was sik to death of locked up windows machines [11:44] understandable [11:45] my son has a laptop with netintelligence ubunto helped me with that i had no support from misco or netintelligence and everytime i wanted help it was gonna cost me arm n a leg jus for the phonecall [11:45] this ubunto looks good and so FREE!! [11:46] y do we have windows thrust in our faces [11:46] heh [11:46] its so not user ''friendly'' [11:47] people grow up with it in schools, offices etc...until you get fed up and go looking for alternatives it's all you'll know [11:49] can u guys help with aircrack-ng tool? [11:50] do you need to crack a key? [11:50] help in what way? [11:50] anonymousinuk: you'd be better asking in a channel more specific to aircrack [11:50] I agree with gordonjcp ☺ [11:50] there's a lot involved [11:51] ok is there a chat room for everything?! [11:51] possibly [11:51] but these are IRC channels [11:51] "chat rooms" are something quite different [11:51] ok gordon explain pls [11:51] wasn't there a patch for network manager years ago that give the option to enter a WEP key, or just crack it [11:52] no idea [11:52] yes ive read lots about that [11:52] back when people still used WEP keys [11:52] anonymousinuk: whats the specific issue you have with aircrack? [11:52] in my search [11:52] damn y my keyboard barking at me [11:53] k [11:53] that said a certain large supermarket in the UK that shall remain nameless still uses 64-bit WEP keys for its mobile tills [11:53] * popey wanders off to make lunch [11:53] with the same key across all stores [11:54] ouch. wow [11:54] * gordonjcp used to do tech support for IBM, who supported the kit in Nameless Supermarket [11:54] horrifying [11:54] they could at least use 128-bit WEP [11:54] agreed. [11:55] Every Little Helps, after all [11:55] agreed. [13:30] * AlanBell figures out a great libnotify bug [13:33] Bug #935131 [13:33] Launchpad bug 935131 in libnotify (Ubuntu) "if the rightmost screen is not as high as the aggregate rectangle notifications are off screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/935131 [13:34] I have been wondering for about 6 months why my notifications were broken [14:56] nom http://akafrancie.posterous.com/taekwon-cookie-or-two [15:45] wewt [16:20] i keep finding myself surprised when it turns out cross-platform indie games are doin' it with mono [16:21] http://blendogames.com/atomzombiesmasher/ === ubuntuuk-planet2 is now known as ubuntuuk-planet === oimon is now known as Guest95645 === sagaci_ is now known as sagaci [18:30] Is there a list of packages ready for 12.04? [18:31] ? [18:31] Or rather, packages available [18:31] When I 1st tried 12.04, things like skype weren't ready [18:32] http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/sites/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz ? [18:32] Not a human readable list then [18:32] isn't skype in the partner repo? : http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/partner/binary-amd64/Packages.gz [18:32] it's hard to make 36000 entries human-readable [18:32] bigcalm: You can search on packages.ubuntu.com [18:33] penguin42: thank you [18:34] packages.ubuntu.com doesn't include the partner repo [18:34] therefore you won't find skype searching there [18:34] that would be too easy [18:34] Skype was an example. This is good enough for me at the moment :) [18:35] bigcalm: Partner stuff tends to bubble along nearer the end for new releases [18:37] the partner repo is the only place you will really find missing packages in +1 [18:37] the other repos are just clones of debian [18:38] packages don't go missing from them during the cycle and then later return. well, not unless there is a bug [18:38] ali1234: I think it might be in the 32bit partner repo [18:38] yes, probably [18:39] I have an invisible skype window, cool! [18:39] all the business desktop remix stuff is 32bit only [18:39] I can move it around the workspaces, but it's not visible otherwise [18:39] (xfce) [18:50] bigcalm: we generally dont populate the partner repo till after the release [18:50] we may try and pre-fill it a bit this time [18:50] http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/02/malicious-backdoor-in-open-source-messaging-apps-not-spotted-for-4-months.ars - ouch [18:51] old skype still works fine on 12.04 btw [18:52] penguin42: i stopped reading when i saw "PHP" [18:53] is it a bug if i upgrade and all the third party packages from the previous version are still around? [19:02] any ubuntu users group in London? [19:06] yes [19:07] [Tony] Its not what it looks like& - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2012/02/18/its-not-what-it-looks-like/ [19:09] could i pls get some contact info webpage or meeting places and times. [19:11] frodo_: nothing has been organised [19:11] hrmm... can't get gnome to stop locking my screen after suspend [19:11] if it does we post to the ubuntu uk mailing list [19:11] frodo_: or we addd ti to the loco team portal on loco.ubuntu.com [19:11] frodo_: where are you based? [19:11] czy jestes z polski ? czajkowski [19:12] nope [19:12] irish [19:12] so why the nik ? [19:12] thanks for the info [19:12] frodo_: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-uk [19:12] becasue it's my surname [19:12] *because [19:13] Because she's awesome [19:13] Time for bacon sandwiches! [19:19] redhat or LPI Lunix certification , which are better ? [19:20] Daviey, ho [19:20] hi [19:20] Daviey, hi [19:20] sorry keyboard issues again [19:32] evening all [19:39] welcome back CTtechguy [19:42] frodo_: doing is better [19:42] someone say bacon? [19:43] yes [19:43] about 12 hours out of phase [19:45] jacobw yes but to do Professionally , without certs nobody will let you touch their pro equipment [19:46] frodo_: i'm not so sure about that [19:48] Pls give me ideas cuz i need help , i need to get some pro exprience,not just stuff at home ,for friends or at school . [19:53] frodo_: there's no difference between experience with linux at home or at work [19:54] frodo_: it's possible to learn networking and server applications using just virtual machines [19:57] frodo_: what are you trying to accomplish? [19:57] to learn good skills, or get a job? [20:01] get a job in the field . [20:02] recruiters want to know how many users you managed , what kind of gear you used [20:03] at home there are no deadlines ,no real cash on the line etc . [20:07] zleap: just saw your mail to the list [20:07] frodo_: well, everyone has to start somewhere [20:08] zleap: would love to come down but it's 4.5 hours on the train for me [20:08] frodo_: get an entry-level position in support [20:10] even entry -level in support are hard to come by in this economy ,anybody volunteered to get experience? [20:16] lots of open source projects have volunteer infrastructure teams [20:16] yup [20:17]