[07:30] hi superfly can i mail you something to check before i send it to the list please [07:30] morning all [07:31] ok [07:31] morning Kilos [07:31] ty, dont wanna mislead anyone [07:48] Kilos: your mail looks OK, but I don't know debdelta [07:48] Kilos: you might want to change your subject to "using up less data on mobile broadband [07:48] ty superfly will do that [07:49] wasnt sure if i had entered the right url [07:50] I would stick to "http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/" [07:51] thats a good idea, i changed when the site gave probs, the sun one never seems to have probs [08:08] dunno if that mail went twice. evo brought up a recovery window so i sent it again [08:09] grrrr [08:11] bbl [17:42] evening everyone [17:42] hey Kilos [17:42] hiya sakhi_ all good apart from your tail? [17:44] I felt something following me, otherwise I'm good thanks besides vmware issues this evening. [17:44] drussell, hi there. you most likely know about this [17:44] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair [17:44] lol [17:45] Kilos: hiya [17:45] Kilos: yeah i've seen it before [17:45] great boot repair tool [17:46] oh my [17:46] hi kbmonkey stranger [17:46] hello Kilos! [17:46] i got your emails thanks [17:46] you well lad? [17:47] its coming down here, definitely rain season [17:47] wow you so lucky. even our weeds are dying here from thirst [17:48] what you growing there oom? ;P [17:49] it makes sense for ubuntu not to have the same commands as fedora based centos [17:49] a few mielies and some strawberries and chillis and peppadew [17:49] there are equivalent commands [17:50] and lotsa weeds [17:50] blackjacks and khakibos [17:50] blackjack leaf tea is a good natural antibiotic [17:52] I did not know that [17:52] i used the debain ones , cant member which all but will get back to it [17:53] had a scare this avy. external light went red when i wasnt even near the pc and stopped showing here [17:54] tried rebooting and plugin it in after booting but no usb drive shouwed [17:54] showed either [17:54] red is bad? [17:54] and now? [17:54] means busy [17:55] was gonna try the data recovery stuff but thought lets first try sisters harddrive in case it was something on here not seeing usb [17:56] that is worrying [17:56] booted her drive coupla times and all of a sudden lights started flashing and next thing it was working again [17:57] back on my drive again it shows [17:57] sigh, dunno what caused that\ [17:57] gremlins [17:57] lol yeah bit frightening [17:57] everything is on there [17:58] 30g of stuff [17:58] backup everything [17:58] all my rsyncs are there [17:59] and packages and visa stuff and pics [17:59] and music [17:59] i go eat [17:59] faulty cabling could cause that [18:15] hmmm [18:21] how does one do a worldwide census of who cant go unity and wants to stay maveric [18:22] like a petition to canonical kinda thing [18:24] they would rather let you use classic mode [18:27] kbmonkey, you wanna try something [18:27] you have a dvd writer hey? [18:28] hey psydroid you quiet [18:29] hi Kilos [18:29] I do have a writer, I guess it still works. been a year or two since I used the thing [18:29] Maaz, announce monthly meeting here on monday evening [18:29] Announcement from Kilos! monthly meeting here on monday evening [18:29] I was talking to someone [18:29] lol [18:29] kbmonkey, http://www.ubuntugeek.com/creating-custom-ubuntu-live-cd-with-remastersys.html [18:30] make a custom dvd of your system [18:30] tried it here but too much to fit on a cd [18:31] will try make a dvd when ian comes with his external dvd writer [18:31] I used remastersys before Kilos. neat method [18:31] good hey [18:31] too much for a dvd [18:33] wow [18:39] I need a koffie [18:39] lol [18:39] real one not cybercoffee [18:40] Maaz, coffee on [18:40] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [18:40] Maaz, coffee time [18:40] It is always coffee time! [18:44] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [18:44] Maaz, ty [18:44] You are welcome Kilos [18:45] kbye for now [18:46] cheers sakhi [18:46] go well [18:46] cheers sakhi [18:46] oh i missed maaz, let me put the real world kettle on! [18:46] ha ha [18:46] * kbmonkey might just make two cups for posterity [18:47] i drink tea outs beer mugs [18:47] cups are for kids and girls [18:47] polisie koffie? [18:47] nee man [18:47] tee [18:47] ah, irish tea [18:47] plain tea [18:49] is tinylinux plain linux. not deb or rpm based? [18:49] so much to learn [18:50] or can one then give it a gnome desktop and xchat and pidgin etc [18:50] deb / rpm are package management. linux is the core. dont know what tinylinux use, probably something else [18:51] good question [18:53] they dont mention any packaging system [18:53] it comes with a bunch of apps [18:53] my guess that you have to compile any extra stuff manually [18:53] * Kilos thinks about a linux system that isnt updating all the time but can still be made to look like ubuntu [18:54] wait i have a link [18:54] on the tinylinux home page [18:54] holy moly, it needs a whopping 8MB RAM and 80 MB disk space. [18:54] haha [18:54] that is too cool [18:56] ah, it uses pkgtool [18:56] http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/applications.html [18:56] i think thats it. had to scroll back far [18:56] that is a slackware tool. so tinylinux is slack based... [19:02] me dunno whats slack [19:02] another thing like rpm and deb? [19:02] slackware is a linux distro [19:03] one of the oldest linuxes [19:03] there is also puppy linux [19:03] I still need to find out which file tells Ubuntu what the default [19:03] Desktop is to change it to Classic Gnome [19:04] this is from Nico on the lists [19:04] i can't help you, I have zero experience with unity [19:04] how does he tell unity to go classic and stay there [19:04] cant you just choose your desktop from the login screen? [19:04] no kbmonkey the unity peeps can help [19:04] if they not just lurking [19:05] good morning [19:05] pity neil isnt here [19:05] hi inetpro [19:05] lo inetpro [19:05] just in time [19:05] JIT? [19:05] JIT! [19:05] you have become a unity user [19:06] I still need to find out which file tells Ubuntu what the default [19:06] Desktop is to change it to Classic Gnome [19:06] Nico on the lists needs help [19:06] Kilos: wait for the new LTS release [19:06] not me man [19:06] they've made a lot of improvements [19:07] hey Kilos you can press up in xchat to reuse your words [19:07] i got him to get boot-repair to fix his booting but he still wants to know how to go classic [19:07] it helps us old folks with typing he he [19:07] * inetpro has not tried the classic thing [19:07] wow ty kbmonkey [19:08] I'm very happy with the direction that Unity is moving in [19:08] I'm curious inetpro, how does it handle keyboard shortcuts? [19:08] inetpro, he can get into classic mode but on reboot its back to unity [19:09] can you use it without a mouse, is what I want to know [19:09] kbmonkey: shortcuts like? [19:09] how does he make it permanent [19:10] Kilos: I don't pay much attention to Nico, and neither do other people, because he asks the same stupid questions 10 times in a row and doesn't bother to actually open his browser and Google [19:10] kbmonkey: yes I must say I'm quite impressed with their new set of keyboard shortcut keys even if it requires you to relearn a few things [19:10] aw shame superfly maybe he battles [19:10] like me [19:12] looks like kubuntu is losing a fan [19:12] Kilos: no, the only thing he seems to battle with is actually using his brain. You use yours [19:13] that's brutally honest. some people can't help being indoctrinated by M$ [19:13] Kilos: heh, I will most likely be back on Kubuntu as with the new release in April [19:13] it locked them into a certain way of thinking [19:13] whew thats a relief inetpro [19:14] releif [19:14] ? [19:14] s/releif/relief [19:14] both look wrong [19:14] maybe its my eye the squif [19:14] I'm really enjoying Openbox. responsive like greased lighting [19:15] the lazy eye? [19:15] Maaz: dict relief [19:15] inetpro: Relief \Re*lief"\ (r?-l?f"), n. [OE. relef, F. relief, properly, a lifting up, a standing out. See {Relieve}, and cf. {Basrelief}, {Rilievi}.] 1. The act of relieving, or the state of being relieved; the removal, or partial removal, of any evil, or of anything oppressive or burdensome, by which some ease is obtained; succor; alleviation; comfort; ease; redress. [1913 Webster] He sees the dire contagion spread so fast, That, where [19:16] lol kbmonkey [19:16] one is blind and the other one also cant see [19:17] and i have forgotten lots of my spelling in both tales [19:17] for a moment I thought Maaz will tell us the intricacies of using the Big White Telephone [19:17] haha [19:17] your spelling is 110% better than these folks who use sms shorthand. drives me nuts [19:18] inetpro, is it very dry there too. seems from here that town and you guys get rain when it blows past here before it starts dripping [19:18] could we blame telecoms companies for the demise of inarticulate youth? Yes we can! [19:19] actually superfly i see what you mean. i told him about boot-repair but he couldnt find it [19:19] maybe google isnt his friend either [19:19] hehe [19:20] it's dripping here again. [19:20] send some here [19:20] Kilos: yep, very, very dry here. We really need that rain. [19:20] * kbmonkey does a rain shift dance [19:20] even ours mielies leaves are rolled up\ [19:21] and thats with watering 2x a week [19:21] ha ha [19:21] memories [19:22] once on the farm in utrecht i wanted to shoot a rain bird and all my boys grabbed me and said no we will get washed away [19:22] superstition [19:22] hehe [19:22] musta been making a noise and my head was sore [19:24] lol [19:25] Kilos: at least you have lots of your memories still in tact [19:25] I was a sign [19:25] lol yeah but all the wrong ones. and they pop up at weird times [19:25] Best not to tempt fate, eh. Always backup! [19:25] but normally worth a good laugh [19:26] how you backup your nut [19:27] one of many things I miss on Ubuntu is klipper [19:27] klipper? [19:27] inetpro: Have you turned your back on KDE?!! [19:28] cocooncrash: not at all [19:28] inetpro: Ah, okay [19:28] (I wouldn't blame you though.) [19:28] cocooncrash: I just installed it on my laptop some time ago and thought I'd push through and see how good/bad it is [19:28] lol [19:28] dont let the fly hear that [19:29] hi JaynMerry [19:29] bi [19:30] ha ha [19:31] cocooncrash: why would you not blame me? [19:32] inetpro: It's gone a bit downhill TBH [19:32] true [19:32] I'm using Thunderbird because Kmail is unusable [19:32] And Firefox because Rekonq and Konqueror are a bit meh [19:32] it's quit sad actually [19:32] Yeah [19:33] even akregator can be painful these days [19:34] aw thats sad when a distro go backwards [19:34] cocooncrash: it's mainly due to using Firefox and Thunderbird that my switching is not so painful [19:35] can one of you check this link please [19:35] http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/56613 [19:35] my epiphany cant get in there at all [19:35] has any of you gnome guys used glipper? [19:36] they say glipper is a clipboard utility for the GNOME panel [19:37] that link does not work Kilos [19:37] what does one do with a clipboard [19:37] ty kbmonkey [19:38] Kilos: same here [19:39] Kilos: Glipper is supposed to maintain a history of text copied to the clipboard from which you can choose [19:39] very very useful [19:40] do you have to manually put text there [19:40] I still use Klipper a lot on my KDE desktop at the office [19:41] then go look later what you put there [19:41] Kilos: no, anything you copy with CTRL+C [19:41] thats all the time with xchat here [19:41] cant right click copy [19:42] ctrl+c and ctrl+v [19:42] battled in the beginning [19:42] some guy thatwas in kenya or someplace helped me here [19:43] oh inetpro so it will remember all links i copy like that in here [19:44] * inetpro goes to install glipper [19:44] I use Parcellite inetpro [19:44] tiny package 68k [19:45] at least glipper doesn't seem much bigger than that [19:45] Need to get 110 kB of archives. After unpacking 991 kB will be used. [19:46] its glipper i am talking about 68.9kB [19:46] that is 110kB for glipper libkeybinder0{a} python-keybinder{a} python-prctl{a} [19:47] i must have that other stuff already [19:47] only glipper installed now to find where it went [19:48] glipper will download 90MB on my side. lol, nevermind :) [19:48] wow why so much [19:48] mine is in already [19:48] I don't have gnome [19:48] so it will download all gnome dependencies too [19:48] what you using kbmonkey [19:48] on this pc I use openbox [19:48] whew [19:49] its like gnome or kde, but lighter on resources [19:49] top and bottom panels? [19:49] yup [19:49] and updates every 2 weeks? [19:49] nope [19:50] i run updates manually [19:50] once of? [19:50] oh [19:50] * inetpro not sure that is really necessary to reboot but I just did, and now I see a nice little additional G icon in the panel [19:51] * Kilos will cry if i gotta leave maverick [19:51] oh inetpro i see niks [19:51] will try a reboot [19:52] bbl [19:52] one of my reasons for using ubuntu gnome is so I can at least try to support new users [19:52] * inetpro can not deny that Ubuntu Unity appeals to new users more than KDE [19:54] * inetpro has one more item keeping him on KDE scratched off the list [19:55] grrr [19:55] hmm... Kilos, waar was jy nou? [19:55] dont see no G nowhere [19:55] eish [19:55] did a reboot sir [19:56] hehe murphy [19:56] Kilos: time to upgrade :-) [19:56] it is in synaptic [19:57] I dove into openbox for the reason its hands-on and wanted to learn more about internals [19:57] it sure did work! [19:58] if you open term it should show if you type glip[tab] [19:58] or try whereis glipper [19:58] * inetpro wonders why glipper is not part of the standard gnome/unity desktop [19:58] chances are you just have to run it kilos [19:58] there must be a reason [19:59] add it to your startup list [19:59] glipper: /usr/lib/glipper /usr/share/glipper [19:59] I know inetpro right? now that I use a clip manager I cant do without [19:59] 119 packages not upgraded [19:59] no G in your task? [19:59] run 'glipper &' [19:59] then check [20:00] Kilos: right click ur panel → Add to Panel then drag Clipboard Manager to ur panel [20:00] s/ur/your/ [20:00] miles@P4:~$ glipper & [20:00] [1] 2042 [20:00] miles@P4:~$ No command 'glipper' found, did you mean: [20:00] Command 'klipper' from package 'klipper' (main) [20:00] lol [20:01] inetpro got it ^ [20:01] * inetpro found it at "Things to do after installing Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat" http://forums.bizhat.com/linux-freebsd-opensource/46665-things-do-after-installing-ubuntu-10-10-maverick-meerkat.html [20:01] yay clever fella [20:02] i actually see a clipboard with a G in it [20:02] yay [20:03] my top panel is getting kinda full [20:03] Maaz coffee on [20:03] * Maaz puts the kettle on [20:03] oh inetpro a few months back i was having probs in pidgin xmpp for some reason [20:04] Maaz: coffee please [20:04] inetpro: Done [20:04] found another client that worked at the time [20:04] gamin [20:04] Maaz, coffee please [20:04] Kilos: Alrighty [20:05] Kilos: hmm... [20:05] lol [20:06] Gamin is a file and directory monitoring system which allows applications to detect when a file or a directory has been added, removed or modified by somebody else. [20:06] goosie thinking [20:06] eish [20:06] gajim [20:06] sorry [20:06] ahh [20:06] enviromentally friendly [20:07] Jabber client written in PyGTK [20:07] wears green jacket [20:07] thats it yes [20:07] Coffee's ready for kbmonkey, inetpro and Kilos! [20:08] Maaz thanks! [20:08] kbmonkey: Sure [20:08] Maaz: dankie ou maat [20:08] Maaz, danke [20:08] inetpro: What? [20:08] Bitteschön [20:08] you beat me to making my own [20:08] hehe [20:10] oh kbmonkey we might have a new lpi guy again [20:10] seemed interested [20:12] [20:13] looks like a nighttime beach bum [20:14] nice choice of words [20:14] that's good! [20:14] hope he not a ja boeteie [20:15] wow this band is making my ears bleed [20:15] Mortal Treason [20:15] beautiful [20:15] seemed quite clever and was interested in the python after [20:15] how big the songs?? [20:16] kbmonkey, ? [20:19] Im not sure [20:19] oh you dont have it there on the pc [20:20] I do [20:20] the player doesn't show the size [20:20] long songs, 8 mins, so about 7MB+ [20:20] lol if you get mobilemediaconverter you can convert it to amr and itwill be under 1m [20:21] the pc plays songs randomly itself [20:21] wow that is long [20:21] good words? [20:21] yes, metal and it's melodic solos [20:22] yes but amr sounds like you're listening through a tin can attached to a string with the song playing over a cracked landline from the other end while a bunch of cats try attack he string [20:22] one can normally tell a lot about a person by the music they listen to [20:22] no man [20:22] amr is what fones use [20:23] indeed [20:23] tara converts her songs to it to mail to me [20:23] I'm a audiophile in that regard [20:23] but 8 mins is a big song [20:24] your ears are still young [20:24] it is. strange how bands don't really make long melodic music these days [20:25] Pink Floyd is a good example [20:26] wow are they still going [20:27] sure i listened to them 40 years ago [20:27] no I think roger Waters is an old ballie now [20:28] I meant back then [20:28] hang on, need more coffee... [20:28] lol [20:28] its bed time or you wont be here monday night [20:30] hi drubin you attending the meeting monday night? havent seen you for a long time [20:30] its only Sat Kilos :p [20:31] ya kbmonkey but you youngsters run outa steam quick and take days to recover [20:31] im nasty hey [20:31] sorry [20:32] ha ha ha! who you calling youngster [20:33] im at least half your age! [20:33] ;P [20:33] oh you shave already? [20:33] hee hee [20:33] you 30 lready? [20:34] already too [20:34] yes but amr sounds like you're listening through a tin can attached to a string with the song playing over a cracked landline from the other end while a bunch of cats try attack he string [20:34] * inetpro lol [20:34] lol [20:34] I may be old enough to know better, but still young enough not to care! [20:34] ha ha ha [20:34] oh wait... i have to go take my medicine... [20:34]