[07:30] <Kilos> hi superfly can i mail you something to check before i send it to the list please 
[07:30] <Kilos> morning all
[07:31] <superfly> ok
[07:31] <superfly> morning Kilos
[07:31] <Kilos> ty, dont wanna mislead anyone
[07:48] <superfly> Kilos: your mail looks OK, but I don't know debdelta
[07:48] <superfly> Kilos: you might want to change your subject to "using up less data on mobile broadband
[07:48] <Kilos> ty superfly will do that
[07:49] <Kilos> wasnt sure if i had entered the right url
[07:50] <superfly> I would stick to "http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/"
[07:51] <Kilos> thats a good idea, i changed when the site gave probs, the sun one never seems to have probs
[08:08] <Kilos> dunno if that mail went twice. evo brought up a recovery window so i sent it again
[08:09] <Kilos> grrrr
[08:11] <Kilos> bbl
[17:42] <Kilos> evening everyone
[17:42] <sakhi_> hey Kilos 
[17:42] <Kilos> hiya sakhi_ all good apart from your tail?
[17:44] <sakhi_> I felt something following me, otherwise I'm good thanks besides vmware issues this evening.
[17:44] <Kilos> drussell, hi there. you most likely know about this
[17:44] <Kilos> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[17:44] <Kilos> lol
[17:45] <drussell> Kilos: hiya
[17:45] <drussell> Kilos: yeah i've seen it before
[17:45] <Kilos> great boot repair tool
[17:46] <Kilos> oh my
[17:46] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey stranger
[17:46] <kbmonkey> hello Kilos!
[17:46] <kbmonkey> i got your emails thanks
[17:46] <Kilos> you well lad?
[17:47] <kbmonkey> its coming down here, definitely rain season
[17:47] <Kilos> wow you so lucky. even our weeds are dying here from thirst
[17:48] <kbmonkey> what you growing there oom? ;P
[17:49] <kbmonkey> it makes sense for ubuntu not to have the same commands as fedora based centos
[17:49] <Kilos> a few mielies and some strawberries and chillis and peppadew
[17:49] <kbmonkey> there are equivalent commands
[17:50] <Kilos> and lotsa weeds
[17:50] <Kilos> blackjacks and khakibos
[17:50] <Kilos> blackjack leaf tea is a good natural antibiotic
[17:52] <kbmonkey> I did not know that
[17:52] <Kilos> i used the debain ones , cant member which all but will get back to it
[17:53] <Kilos> had a scare this avy. external light went red when i wasnt even near the pc and stopped showing here
[17:54] <Kilos> tried rebooting and plugin it in after booting but no usb drive shouwed
[17:54] <Kilos> showed either
[17:54] <kbmonkey> red is bad?
[17:54] <kbmonkey> and now?
[17:54] <Kilos> means busy
[17:55] <Kilos> was gonna try the data recovery stuff but thought lets first try sisters harddrive in case it was something on here not seeing usb
[17:56] <kbmonkey> that is worrying
[17:56] <Kilos> booted her drive coupla times and all of a sudden lights started flashing and next thing it was working again
[17:57] <Kilos> back on my drive again it shows
[17:57] <Kilos> sigh, dunno what caused that\
[17:57] <kbmonkey> gremlins
[17:57] <Kilos> lol yeah bit frightening
[17:57] <Kilos> everything is on there
[17:58] <Kilos> 30g of stuff
[17:58] <Tonberry> backup everything
[17:58] <Kilos> all my rsyncs are there
[17:59] <Kilos> and packages and visa stuff and pics 
[17:59] <Kilos> and music
[17:59] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:59] <kbmonkey> faulty cabling could cause that
[18:15] <Kilos> hmmm
[18:21] <Kilos> how does one do a worldwide census of who cant go unity and wants to stay maveric
[18:22] <Kilos> like a petition to canonical kinda thing
[18:24] <kbmonkey> they would rather let you use classic mode 
[18:27] <Kilos> kbmonkey, you wanna try something
[18:27] <Kilos> you have a dvd writer hey?
[18:28] <Kilos> hey psydroid you quiet
[18:29] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[18:29] <kbmonkey> I do have a writer, I guess it still works. been a year or two since I used the thing
[18:29] <Kilos> Maaz, announce monthly meeting here on monday evening
[18:29] <Maaz> Announcement from Kilos! monthly meeting here on monday evening
[18:29] <psydroid> I was talking to someone
[18:29] <Kilos> lol
[18:29] <Kilos> kbmonkey, http://www.ubuntugeek.com/creating-custom-ubuntu-live-cd-with-remastersys.html
[18:30] <Kilos> make a custom dvd of your system
[18:30] <Kilos> tried it here but too much to fit on a cd
[18:31] <Kilos> will try make a dvd when ian comes with his external dvd writer
[18:31] <kbmonkey> I used remastersys before Kilos. neat method
[18:31] <Kilos> good hey
[18:31] <kbmonkey> too much for a dvd 
[18:33] <Kilos> wow
[18:39] <kbmonkey> I need a koffie
[18:39] <Kilos> lol
[18:39] <Kilos> real one not cybercoffee
[18:40] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[18:40]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[18:40] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee time
[18:40] <Maaz> It is always coffee time!
[18:44] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[18:44] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[18:44] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[18:45] <sakhi> kbye for now
[18:46] <Kilos> cheers sakhi 
[18:46] <Kilos> go well
[18:46] <kbmonkey> cheers sakhi 
[18:46] <kbmonkey> oh i missed maaz, let me put the real world kettle on!
[18:46] <Kilos> ha ha
[18:46]  * kbmonkey might just make two cups for posterity
[18:47] <Kilos> i drink tea outs beer mugs
[18:47] <Kilos> cups are for kids and girls
[18:47] <kbmonkey> polisie koffie?
[18:47] <Kilos> nee man
[18:47] <Kilos> tee
[18:47] <kbmonkey> ah, irish tea
[18:47] <Kilos> plain tea
[18:49] <Kilos> is tinylinux plain linux. not deb or rpm based?
[18:49] <Kilos> so much to learn
[18:50] <Kilos> or can one then give it a gnome desktop and xchat and pidgin etc
[18:50] <kbmonkey> deb / rpm are package management. linux is the core. dont know what tinylinux use, probably something else 
[18:51] <kbmonkey> good question
[18:53] <kbmonkey> they dont mention any packaging system
[18:53] <kbmonkey> it comes with a bunch of apps
[18:53] <kbmonkey> my guess that you have to compile any extra stuff manually
[18:53]  * Kilos thinks about a linux system that isnt updating all the time but can still be made to look like ubuntu
[18:54] <Kilos> wait i have a link
[18:54] <kbmonkey> on the tinylinux home page 
[18:54] <kbmonkey> holy moly, it needs a whopping 8MB RAM and 80 MB disk space. 
[18:54] <Kilos> haha
[18:54] <kbmonkey> that is too cool
[18:56] <kbmonkey> ah, it uses pkgtool
[18:56] <Kilos> http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/applications.html
[18:56] <Kilos> i think thats it. had to scroll back far
[18:56] <kbmonkey> that is a slackware tool. so tinylinux is slack based...
[19:02] <Kilos> me dunno whats slack
[19:02] <Kilos> another thing like rpm and deb?
[19:02] <kbmonkey> slackware is a linux distro
[19:03] <kbmonkey> one of the oldest linuxes
[19:03] <kbmonkey> there is also puppy linux
[19:03] <Kilos> I still need to find out which file tells Ubuntu what the default 
[19:03] <Kilos> Desktop is to change it to Classic Gnome
[19:04] <Kilos> this is from Nico on the lists
[19:04] <kbmonkey> i can't help you, I have zero experience with unity
[19:04] <Kilos> how does he tell unity to go classic and stay there
[19:04] <kbmonkey> cant you just choose your desktop from the login screen?
[19:04] <Kilos> no kbmonkey the unity peeps can help
[19:04] <Kilos> if they not just lurking
[19:05] <inetpro> good morning
[19:05] <Kilos> pity neil isnt here
[19:05] <kbmonkey> hi inetpro 
[19:05] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[19:05] <Kilos> just in time
[19:05] <inetpro> JIT?
[19:05] <kbmonkey> JIT!
[19:05] <Kilos> you have become a unity user
[19:06] <Kilos>  I still need to find out which file tells Ubuntu what the default 
 Desktop is to change it to Classic Gnome
[19:06] <Kilos> Nico on the lists needs help
[19:06] <inetpro> Kilos: wait for the new LTS release
[19:06] <Kilos> not me man
[19:06] <inetpro> they've made a lot of improvements
[19:07] <kbmonkey> hey Kilos you can press up in xchat to reuse your words
[19:07] <Kilos> i got him to get boot-repair to fix his booting but he still wants to know how to go classic
[19:07] <kbmonkey> it helps us old folks with typing he he
[19:07]  * inetpro has not tried the classic thing
[19:07] <Kilos> wow ty kbmonkey 
[19:08] <inetpro> I'm very happy with the direction that Unity is moving in
[19:08] <kbmonkey> I'm curious inetpro, how does it handle keyboard shortcuts?
[19:08] <Kilos> inetpro, he can get into classic mode but on reboot its back to unity
[19:09] <kbmonkey> can you use it without a mouse, is what I want to know
[19:09] <inetpro> kbmonkey: shortcuts like?
[19:09] <Kilos> how does he make it permanent
[19:10] <superfly> Kilos: I don't pay much attention to Nico, and neither do other people, because he asks the same stupid questions 10 times in a row and doesn't bother to actually open his browser and Google
[19:10] <inetpro> kbmonkey: yes I must say I'm quite impressed with their new set of keyboard shortcut keys even if it requires you to relearn a few things
[19:10] <Kilos> aw shame superfly maybe he battles
[19:10] <Kilos> like me
[19:12] <Kilos> looks like kubuntu is losing a fan
[19:12] <superfly> Kilos: no, the only thing he seems to battle with is actually using his brain. You use yours
[19:13] <kbmonkey> that's brutally honest. some people can't help being indoctrinated by M$
[19:13] <inetpro> Kilos: heh, I will most likely be back on Kubuntu as with the new release in April
[19:13] <kbmonkey> it locked them into a certain way of thinking
[19:13] <Kilos> whew thats a relief inetpro 
[19:14] <Kilos> releif
[19:14] <Kilos> ?
[19:14] <kbmonkey> s/releif/relief
[19:14] <Kilos> both look wrong
[19:14] <Kilos> maybe its my eye the squif
[19:14] <kbmonkey> I'm really enjoying Openbox. responsive like greased lighting
[19:15] <kbmonkey> the lazy eye?
[19:15] <inetpro> Maaz: dict relief
[19:15] <Maaz> inetpro: Relief \Re*lief"\ (r?-l?f"), n. [OE. relef, F. relief, properly, a lifting up, a standing out. See {Relieve}, and cf. {Basrelief}, {Rilievi}.] 1. The act of relieving, or the state of being relieved; the removal, or partial removal, of any evil, or of anything oppressive or burdensome, by which some ease is obtained; succor; alleviation; comfort; ease; redress. [1913 Webster]  He sees the dire contagion spread so fast, That, where 
[19:16] <Kilos> lol kbmonkey 
[19:16] <Kilos> one is blind and the other one also cant see
[19:17] <Kilos> and i have forgotten lots of my spelling in both tales
[19:17] <kbmonkey> for a moment I thought Maaz will tell us the intricacies of using the Big White Telephone
[19:17] <Kilos> haha
[19:17] <kbmonkey> your spelling is 110% better than these folks who use sms shorthand. drives me nuts
[19:18] <Kilos> inetpro, is it very dry there too. seems from here that town and you guys get rain when it blows past here before it starts dripping
[19:18] <kbmonkey> could we blame telecoms companies for the demise of inarticulate youth? Yes we can!
[19:19] <Kilos> actually superfly i see what you mean. i told him about boot-repair but he couldnt find it
[19:19] <Kilos> maybe google isnt his friend either
[19:19] <Kilos> hehe
[19:20] <kbmonkey> it's dripping here again.
[19:20] <Kilos> send some here
[19:20] <inetpro> Kilos: yep, very, very dry here. We really need that rain.
[19:20]  * kbmonkey does a rain shift dance
[19:20] <Kilos> even ours mielies leaves are rolled up\
[19:21] <Kilos> and thats with watering 2x a week
[19:21] <Kilos> ha ha
[19:21] <Kilos> memories
[19:22] <Kilos> once on the farm in utrecht i wanted to shoot a rain bird and all my boys grabbed me and said no we will get washed away
[19:22] <Kilos> superstition
[19:22] <Kilos> hehe
[19:22] <Kilos> musta been making a noise and my head was sore
[19:24] <inetpro> lol
[19:25] <inetpro> Kilos: at least you have lots of your memories still in tact
[19:25] <kbmonkey> I was a sign
[19:25] <Kilos> lol yeah but all the wrong ones. and they pop up at weird times
[19:25] <kbmonkey> Best not to tempt fate, eh. Always backup!
[19:25] <Kilos> but normally worth a good laugh
[19:26] <Kilos> how you backup your nut
[19:27] <inetpro> one of many things I miss on Ubuntu is klipper
[19:27] <Kilos> klipper?
[19:27] <cocooncrash> inetpro: Have you turned your back on KDE?!!
[19:28] <inetpro> cocooncrash: not at all
[19:28] <cocooncrash> inetpro: Ah, okay
[19:28] <cocooncrash> (I wouldn't blame you though.)
[19:28] <inetpro> cocooncrash: I just installed it on my laptop some time ago and thought I'd push through and see how good/bad it is
[19:28] <Kilos> lol
[19:28] <Kilos> dont let the fly hear that
[19:29] <Kilos> hi JaynMerry 
[19:29] <Kilos> bi
[19:30] <kbmonkey> ha ha
[19:31] <inetpro> cocooncrash: why would you not blame me?
[19:32] <cocooncrash> inetpro: It's gone a bit downhill TBH
[19:32] <inetpro> true
[19:32] <cocooncrash> I'm using Thunderbird because Kmail is unusable
[19:32] <cocooncrash> And Firefox because Rekonq and Konqueror are a bit meh
[19:32] <inetpro> it's quit sad actually
[19:32] <cocooncrash> Yeah
[19:33] <inetpro> even akregator can be painful these days
[19:34] <Kilos> aw thats sad when a distro go backwards
[19:34] <inetpro> cocooncrash: it's mainly due to using Firefox and Thunderbird that my switching is not so painful
[19:35] <Kilos> can one of you check this link please
[19:35] <Kilos> http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/56613
[19:35] <Kilos> my epiphany cant get in there at all
[19:35] <inetpro> has any of you gnome guys used glipper?
[19:36] <inetpro> they say glipper is a clipboard utility for the GNOME panel
[19:37] <kbmonkey> that link does not work Kilos 
[19:37] <Kilos> what does one do with a clipboard
[19:37] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey 
[19:38] <inetpro> Kilos: same here
[19:39] <inetpro> Kilos: Glipper is supposed to maintain a history of text copied to the clipboard from which you can choose
[19:39] <inetpro> very very useful
[19:40] <Kilos> do you have to manually put text there 
[19:40] <inetpro> I still use Klipper a lot on my KDE desktop at the office
[19:41] <Kilos> then go look later what you put there
[19:41] <inetpro> Kilos: no, anything you copy with CTRL+C
[19:41] <Kilos> thats all the time with xchat here
[19:41] <Kilos> cant right click copy
[19:42] <Kilos> ctrl+c and ctrl+v
[19:42] <Kilos> battled in the beginning
[19:42] <Kilos> some guy thatwas in kenya or someplace helped me here 
[19:43] <Kilos> oh inetpro so it will remember all links i copy like that in here
[19:44]  * inetpro goes to install glipper
[19:44] <kbmonkey> I use Parcellite inetpro 
[19:44] <Kilos> tiny package 68k
[19:45] <inetpro> at least glipper doesn't seem much bigger than that
[19:45] <inetpro> Need to get 110 kB of archives. After unpacking 991 kB will be used.
[19:46] <Kilos> its glipper i am talking about 68.9kB
[19:46] <inetpro> that is 110kB for glipper libkeybinder0{a} python-keybinder{a} python-prctl{a}
[19:47] <Kilos> i must have that other stuff already
[19:47] <Kilos> only glipper installed now to find where it went
[19:48] <kbmonkey> glipper will download 90MB on my side. lol, nevermind :)
[19:48] <Kilos> wow why so much
[19:48] <Kilos> mine is in already
[19:48] <kbmonkey> I don't have gnome
[19:48] <kbmonkey> so it will download all gnome dependencies too
[19:48] <Kilos> what you using kbmonkey 
[19:48] <kbmonkey> on this pc I use openbox
[19:48] <Kilos> whew
[19:49] <kbmonkey> its like gnome or kde, but lighter on resources
[19:49] <Kilos> top and bottom panels?
[19:49] <kbmonkey> yup
[19:49] <Kilos> and updates every 2 weeks?
[19:49] <kbmonkey> nope
[19:50] <kbmonkey> i run updates manually
[19:50] <Kilos> once of?
[19:50] <Kilos> oh
[19:50]  * inetpro not sure that is really necessary to reboot but I just did, and now I see a nice little additional G icon in the panel
[19:51]  * Kilos will cry if i gotta leave maverick
[19:51] <Kilos> oh inetpro i see niks
[19:51] <Kilos> will try a reboot
[19:52] <Kilos> bbl
[19:52] <inetpro> one of my reasons for using ubuntu gnome is so I can at least try to support new users 
[19:52]  * inetpro can not deny that Ubuntu Unity appeals to new users more than KDE
[19:54]  * inetpro has one more item keeping him on KDE scratched off the list 
[19:55] <Kilos> grrr
[19:55] <inetpro> hmm... Kilos, waar was jy nou?
[19:55] <Kilos> dont see no G nowhere
[19:55] <inetpro> eish
[19:55] <Kilos> did a reboot sir
[19:56] <Kilos> hehe murphy
[19:56] <inetpro> Kilos: time to upgrade :-)
[19:56] <Kilos> it is in synaptic
[19:57] <kbmonkey> I dove into openbox for the reason its hands-on and wanted to learn more about internals
[19:57] <kbmonkey> it sure did work!
[19:58] <kbmonkey> if you open term it should show if you type glip[tab]
[19:58] <kbmonkey> or try whereis glipper
[19:58]  * inetpro wonders why glipper is not part of the standard gnome/unity desktop
[19:58] <kbmonkey> chances are you just have to run it kilos
[19:58] <inetpro> there must be a reason
[19:59] <kbmonkey> add it to your startup list
[19:59] <Kilos> glipper: /usr/lib/glipper /usr/share/glipper
[19:59] <kbmonkey> I know inetpro right? now that I use a clip manager I cant do without
[19:59] <Kilos> 119 packages not upgraded
[19:59] <kbmonkey> no G in your task?
[19:59] <kbmonkey> run 'glipper &'
[19:59] <kbmonkey> then check
[20:00] <inetpro> Kilos: right click ur panel → Add to Panel then drag Clipboard Manager to ur panel
[20:00] <inetpro> s/ur/your/
[20:00] <Kilos> miles@P4:~$ glipper &
[20:00] <Kilos> [1] 2042
[20:00] <Kilos> miles@P4:~$ No command 'glipper' found, did you mean:
[20:00] <Kilos>  Command 'klipper' from package 'klipper' (main)
[20:00] <Kilos> lol
[20:01] <kbmonkey> inetpro got it ^
[20:01]  * inetpro found it at "Things to do after installing Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat" http://forums.bizhat.com/linux-freebsd-opensource/46665-things-do-after-installing-ubuntu-10-10-maverick-meerkat.html
[20:01] <Kilos> yay clever fella
[20:02] <Kilos> i actually see a clipboard with a G in it
[20:02] <Kilos> yay
[20:03] <Kilos> my top panel is getting kinda full
[20:03] <kbmonkey> Maaz coffee on
[20:03]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[20:03] <Kilos> oh inetpro a few months back i was having probs in pidgin xmpp for some reason
[20:04] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[20:04] <Maaz> inetpro: Done
[20:04] <Kilos> found another client that worked at the time
[20:04] <Kilos> gamin
[20:04] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[20:04] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[20:05] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm...
[20:05] <Kilos> lol
[20:06] <inetpro> Gamin is a file and directory monitoring system which allows applications to detect when a file or a directory has been added, removed or modified by somebody else.
[20:06] <Kilos> goosie thinking
[20:06] <Kilos> eish
[20:06] <Kilos> gajim
[20:06] <Kilos> sorry
[20:06] <inetpro> ahh
[20:06] <Kilos> enviromentally friendly
[20:07] <inetpro> Jabber client written in PyGTK
[20:07] <Kilos> wears green jacket
[20:07] <Kilos> thats it yes
[20:07] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey, inetpro and Kilos!
[20:08] <kbmonkey> Maaz thanks!
[20:08] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Sure
[20:08] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie ou maat
[20:08] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[20:08] <Maaz> inetpro: What?
[20:08] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[20:08] <kbmonkey> you beat me to making my own
[20:08] <Kilos> hehe
[20:10] <Kilos> oh kbmonkey we might have a new lpi guy again
[20:10] <Kilos> seemed interested

[20:13] <Kilos> looks like a nighttime beach bum
[20:14] <kbmonkey> nice choice of words
[20:14] <kbmonkey> that's good!
[20:14] <Kilos> hope he not a ja boeteie
[20:15] <kbmonkey> wow this band is making my ears bleed
[20:15] <kbmonkey> Mortal Treason
[20:15] <kbmonkey> beautiful
[20:15] <Kilos> seemed quite clever and was interested in the python after
[20:15] <Kilos> how big the songs??
[20:16] <Kilos> kbmonkey, ?
[20:19] <kbmonkey> Im not sure
[20:19] <Kilos> oh you dont have it there on the pc
[20:20] <kbmonkey> I do
[20:20] <kbmonkey> the player doesn't show the size
[20:20] <kbmonkey> long songs, 8 mins, so about 7MB+
[20:20] <Kilos> lol if you get mobilemediaconverter you can convert it to amr and itwill be under 1m
[20:21] <kbmonkey> the pc plays songs randomly itself
[20:21] <Kilos> wow that is long
[20:21] <Kilos> good words?
[20:21] <kbmonkey> yes, metal and it's melodic solos
[20:22] <kbmonkey> yes but amr sounds like you're listening through a tin can attached to a string with the song playing over a cracked landline from the other end while a bunch of cats try attack he string
[20:22] <Kilos> one can normally tell a lot about a person by the music they listen to
[20:22] <Kilos> no man
[20:22] <Kilos> amr is what fones use
[20:23] <kbmonkey> indeed
[20:23] <Kilos> tara converts her songs to it to mail to me
[20:23] <kbmonkey> I'm a audiophile in that regard
[20:23] <Kilos> but 8 mins is a big song
[20:24] <Kilos> your ears are still young
[20:24] <kbmonkey> it is. strange how bands don't really make long melodic music these days
[20:25] <kbmonkey> Pink Floyd is a good example
[20:26] <Kilos> wow are they still going
[20:27] <Kilos> sure i listened to them 40 years ago
[20:27] <kbmonkey> no I think roger Waters is an old ballie now
[20:28] <kbmonkey> I meant back then
[20:28] <kbmonkey> hang on, need more coffee...
[20:28] <Kilos> lol
[20:28] <Kilos> its bed time or you wont be here monday night
[20:30] <Kilos> hi drubin you attending the meeting monday night? havent seen you for a long time
[20:30] <kbmonkey> its only Sat Kilos :p
[20:31] <Kilos> ya kbmonkey but you youngsters run outa steam quick and take days to recover
[20:31] <Kilos> im nasty hey
[20:31] <Kilos> sorry
[20:32] <kbmonkey> ha ha ha! who you calling youngster
[20:33] <kbmonkey> im at least half your age!
[20:33] <kbmonkey> ;P
[20:33] <Kilos> oh you shave already?
[20:33] <Kilos> hee hee
[20:33] <Kilos> you 30 lready?
[20:34] <Kilos> already too
 yes but amr sounds like you're listening through a tin can attached to a string with the song playing over a cracked landline from the other end while a bunch of cats try attack he string
[20:34]  * inetpro lol
[20:34] <Kilos> lol
[20:34] <kbmonkey> I may be old enough to know better, but still young enough not to care! 
[20:34] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[20:34] <kbmonkey> oh wait... i have to go take my medicine...
[20:34] <Kilos> peer at work again
[20:34] <Kilos> we gotta find and kill him
[20:34] <kbmonkey> now where did I put my walking stick...
[20:35] <Kilos> lol how old are you?
[20:35] <Kilos> i still dont use a walking stick
[20:35] <Kilos> but should use a neck brace methinks
[20:39] <kbmonkey> im twen... no wait, thirty? yes i think that is the one
[20:39] <inetpro> Kilos: Unity-2D 5.4 landed in Ubuntu 12.04 with redesigned buttons and new features  http://iloveubuntu.net/unity-2d-54-landed-ubuntu-1204-redesigned-buttons-and-new-features
[20:39] <Kilos> lol
[20:40] <Kilos> sounds good inetpro but all that downloading? whew
[20:40] <Kilos> you know i loved moving up with the new releases
[20:41] <Kilos> i think i have a wireless card in here. funny plug on the back
[20:42] <Kilos> if it is and i can make an antennae maybe i can find a wireless connection somewhere in the area
[20:42] <Kilos> whats the command for what hardware is inthe pc?
[20:42] <Kilos> ls something
[20:43] <Tonberry> lspci
[20:43] <Tonberry> and lsusb
[20:43] <Kilos> ty Tonberry 
[20:43] <Tonberry> should cover most of it
[20:44] <Kilos> oh its an ethernet thing
[20:44] <Kilos> 00:06.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
[20:44] <Kilos> whatever that might be
[20:45] <Kilos> oh no thats whats in the software
[20:46] <Kilos> \o/
[20:49] <Kilos> how far can ethernet see
[20:50] <kbmonkey> thats the network card
[20:50] <inetpro> ethernet is for cable networks
[20:51] <inetpro> or rather wired
[20:51] <Kilos> what does it do and must it be cable connected or what
[20:51] <kbmonkey> ah Mr Leonard Cohen, we meet again
[20:51] <Tonberry> as unintuitive as that sounds...
[20:51] <kbmonkey> it does the same as your wireless, but with wires :D
[20:51] <inetpro> :-)
[20:51] <Kilos> aw
[20:54] <inetpro> Kilos: obviously that also means that you could have another wireless device which you could connect to through that port by means of using a wired cable
[20:55] <Kilos> ?
[20:55] <Kilos> wireless port through a wired cable?
[20:55] <Kilos> oh
[20:55] <inetpro> Kilos: get a wireless 3g router and plug into the pc via this port
[20:56] <Kilos> you mean like a modem
[20:56] <Kilos> ah router goodie
[20:56] <inetpro> Kilos: or a LAN 
[20:56] <Kilos> but thats still feeding vodacom?
[20:57] <inetpro> Kilos: sadly you are unlikely to get away from that any time soon
[20:57] <Kilos> i ot that old nokia 9300 and it shows nothing in a wireless search or must but give it what to look for
[20:57] <inetpro> Kilos: but perhaps it is time to go to 8ta rather than VC
[20:58] <Kilos> i have both sims inetpro just 8ta uses the mtn tower here thats not 3g
[20:58] <Kilos> works for mail and irc but slow to download
[20:58] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:59] <Kilos> but i used gprs when i started on mtn with the old moto razr fone and went through 9.04 and 910 with it
[20:59] <Kilos> lol
[20:59] <Kilos> memories
[21:00] <kbmonkey> hey sure beats dialup 
[21:00] <Kilos> think it took 9 hours to update 9.10
[21:00] <Kilos> upgrade
[21:00] <Kilos> haha i have had some fun here
[21:00] <kbmonkey> wow
[21:01] <kbmonkey> somehow I think we were more productive in days without internet
[21:01] <Kilos> lol
[21:03] <inetpro> Kilos: I guess I no understand now why the 10g option is not on your list of priorities
[21:04] <Kilos> cash inetpro 
[21:05] <kbmonkey> ha ha, my fortune says: when the shit hits the fan, keep your mouth shut.
[21:05] <Kilos> would have many distros here if not for that
[21:05] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[21:05] <Kilos> and pinch your nose
[21:05] <kbmonkey> we seriously need a large, intra network between regions 
[21:06] <kbmonkey> strictly open source
[21:06] <kbmonkey> we need our own internet. telecoms be damned
[21:07] <Kilos> its expensive to put up towers and all the equipment
[21:07] <Kilos> ask the wireless guys
[21:07] <Kilos> pta has a large wireless community
[21:07] <Kilos> think it reaches to rustenburg or near
[21:07] <Kilos> ptawug
[21:08] <inetpro> Kilos: it's just R199 per month
[21:08] <Kilos> but no internet connection
[21:08] <Kilos> just?
[21:08] <Kilos> hehe
[21:08] <inetpro> ok ok
[21:08] <Kilos> you forget im a squatter
[21:09] <inetpro> sad that they can not give you half of the 10g for just R100
[21:09] <Kilos> maybe i need to toi toi  some
[21:09] <inetpro> or 1/4 for R50
[21:09] <Kilos> yeah they all go for the bigger guys
[21:10] <inetpro> even 2.5GB would be more than enough for the average person
[21:10] <Kilos> all the providers give better prices on the big bundles while 95% of the country cant only afford little ones
[21:10] <Kilos> 2.5g is plenty
[21:18] <Kilos> inetpro, you use mobile connection
[21:19] <Kilos> have you looked at debdelta
[21:19] <Kilos> saves half of updates and upgrades downloads
[21:21] <Kilos> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debdelta
[21:22] <Kilos> night guys, thanks for a lekker evening
[21:22] <Kilos> sleep tight
[21:29] <kbmonkey> ah he's gone:(