[00:00] <zzecool> but i cant tell the difference on my setup because  the launcher in high transparency :D
[00:00] <krnekhelesh> ah
[00:02] <zzecool> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24436243/Screenshot%20at%202012-02-19%2002%3A00%3A42.png
[00:02] <zzecool> this is my desktop
[00:02] <zzecool> :D
[00:03] <Daekdroom> That is not the default Launcher size, is it?
[00:03] <zzecool> but on screenshot  the launcher looks blur instead of transparent that it is for real
[00:03] <zzecool> no this is 32px
[00:03] <zzecool> this is the smallest one
[00:05] <krnekhelesh> with faenza icons?
[00:05] <zzecool> Anything bigger in this resolution is not ergonomic
[00:05] <zzecool> yeap
[00:05] <zzecool> :)
[00:05] <zzecool> i love Faenza
[00:05] <zzecool> its the BEST :d
[00:05] <krnekhelesh> r u using a ppa?
[00:05] <zzecool> yes
[00:05] <zzecool> the official one
[00:05] <krnekhelesh> can you provide the ppa link
[00:05] <zzecool> wait
[00:05] <krnekhelesh> i'd like to use it as well
[00:05] <krnekhelesh> ty
[00:05] <zzecool> ok
[00:05] <zzecool> sec
[00:06] <zzecool> here you are https://launchpad.net/~tiheum/+archive/equinox
[00:07] <zzecool> its not the ppa its the link to ppa
[00:07] <zzecool> :)
[00:07] <krnekhelesh> thnx
[00:07] <Daekdroom> Unfortunately, I can't seem to make the launcher/Dash color to fit Ambiance.
[00:07] <krnekhelesh> and u change them using gnome-tweak-tool?
[00:07] <zzecool> just remember you have to use faenza-ambiance  or radiance
[00:07] <zzecool> not the normal faenza
[00:07] <krnekhelesh> ok
[00:07] <krnekhelesh> but how do you change icons for unity?
[00:07] <zzecool> because you gonna have problem with the battery icon and some more
[00:08] <zzecool> you need the gnome tweak tool
[00:08] <krnekhelesh> ah ok
[00:09] <zzecool> krnekhelesh: sudo apt-get install gnome-tweak-tool
[00:09] <zzecool> once installed type advanced in the dash
[00:09] <zzecool> its the one called advanced settings
[00:09] <zzecool> :)
[00:10] <krnekhelesh> ok
[00:14] <ironhalik> ok, first try with precise - live usb boot failed :>
[00:15] <valdur55> ironhalik, give more information
[00:16] <ironhalik> the cursos blink really fast :>
[00:16] <ironhalik> but I used dd to make the usb drive, so it may be that :>
[00:18] <valdur55> Btw look http://qa.ubuntu.com/
[00:18] <valdur55> And fill your report :)
[00:18] <ironhalik> couple of times I used the ubuntu startup dist tool, it always filed to install, right after it formatted my drive :)
[00:19] <valdur55> ironhalik, be lazy and use grub loop :).
[00:19] <valdur55> grub loopback *
[00:19] <ironhalik> hmm, how do I do that? :)
[00:20] <ironhalik> Ill confess, I used the grub CLI only once, I somehow crashed my grub.cfg :>
[00:22] <valdur55> ironhalik, like this: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/how-to-boot-iso-with-grub2-easy-way.html#comment-141653217
[00:23] <ironhalik> hmm, cool
[00:23] <ironhalik> good to know, thx
[00:25] <ironhalik> ok, precise live wont see my drives :)
[00:26] <ironhalik> that is, theyre not in /dev/
[00:28] <penguin42> ironhalik: What type?
[00:28] <ironhalik> ext4
[00:28] <penguin42> normal SATA?
[00:28] <ironhalik> yeah
[00:28] <ironhalik> the installer mounted them, then hanged itself :>
[00:28] <penguin42> do they show up in /proc/partitions
[00:29] <ironhalik> yup, they do
[00:30] <penguin42> good
[00:30] <penguin42> do they show up in /dev/dsk-by-id ?
[00:30] <ironhalik> only the swap partition
[00:30] <penguin42> sorry, /dev/disk/by-id
[00:30] <ironhalik> ah, sec I rebooted
[00:32] <ironhalik> yeah
[00:32] <penguin42> ironhalik: Can you pastebin your /proc/partitions ?
[00:33] <ironhalik> http://paste.ubuntu/com/847917/
[00:33] <valdur55> ironhalik, be laizy! install pastebinit and then use command: pastebinit /proc/..
[00:33] <ironhalik> http://paste.ubuntu.com/847917/
[00:33] <ironhalik> Im not that lazy :P
[00:34] <penguin42> ironhalik: That looks kind of OK (sda2 is a bit odd)
[00:34] <ironhalik> huh, there should be no sda2
[00:34] <penguin42> ironhalik: Can you pastebin the output of udisks --dump ?
[00:34] <penguin42> (and pastebinit really would help there)
[00:36] <valdur55> udisks --dump | pastebinit
[00:37] <ironhalik> sec, im fighting against the tide here
[00:37] <ironhalik> everything crashesh :P
[00:37] <zzecool> goodnight from me guys =)
[00:37] <zzecool> poor ironhalik ;/
[00:37] <zzecool> ;p
[00:37] <valdur55> goodnight...
[00:37] <ironhalik> c ya
[00:38] <valdur55> damn... i just pressed tab after goodn ...
[00:39] <ironhalik> huh, theres some issues with dns it seems :)
[00:40] <ironhalik> for pastebinit
[00:40] <penguin42> took me a couple of goes to resolve when I opened it
[00:41] <cjohnston> any idea why zietgeist would be taking up ~60% of my ram on a 4gb box
[00:41] <valdur55> cjohnston, maybe zeitgeist ... i don't know zietgeist
[00:41] <cjohnston> sure
[00:42] <ironhalik> penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/847925/
[00:42] <cjohnston> zeitgeist-fts
[00:43] <cjohnston> is it safe to kill zeitgeist-fts?
[00:43] <valdur55>  zeitgeist-daemon - D-Bus interface providing a log of activities
[00:43] <penguin42> ironhalik: Odd, that looks happy
[00:44] <ironhalik> well, I mouted the drive by uuid now
[00:44] <valdur55> oh... using UUID is safer vay to dd something :)
[00:44] <ironhalik> can I use /dev/disk/by-uuid/yadayda as dd source?
[00:44] <ironhalik> uh
[00:44] <ironhalik> :>
[00:45] <penguin42> ironhalik: Yeh
[00:45] <ironhalik> how can I list all mounted drives?
[00:45] <penguin42> mount
[00:45] <ironhalik> doh...
[00:45] <valdur55> df ....
[00:46] <ironhalik> yeah, figured that one by myself :>
[00:46] <crizzy> -h is an useful switch for it
[00:48] <ironhalik> hmm, ok since sda1 is not mounted
[00:48] <ironhalik> it has no uuid, so does sda
[00:48] <ironhalik> and I want to dd whole sda
[00:48] <ironhalik> any id will do for that?
[00:49] <valdur55> ironhalik, you booted from grub?
[00:49] <ironhalik> no, from live usb
[00:49] <valdur55> ok :)
[00:49] <valdur55> btw. Use nautilus for hard drive mounting :)
[00:50] <ironhalik> I shouldnt mount it if Im dd'ing it
[00:50] <valdur55> ok.. maybe it isn't sda anymore...
[00:51] <ironhalik> well, it is, according to udisks
[00:51] <ironhalik> ah what the hell, ill try to dd it by path :)
[00:53] <ironhalik> but either way, Ive got bad feelings about this :)
[01:15] <Daekdroom> Odd. I have appmenu-qt package installed but Clementine display its menu in the window
[01:25] <Daekdroom> and I can't think of any other qt app to test it
[01:25] <Daekdroom> Well, any other qt app that won't drag the entire KDE with it
[04:46] <txwikinger2> Is there a screencast app that is working on precise?
[04:47] <jokerdino> txwikinger2: you can try kazam
[04:49] <micahg> txwikinger2: is gtk-recordmydesktop not working?
[04:50] <jokerdino> txwikinger: gtk-recordmydesktop works for me too
[04:51] <txwikinger> I use kde.. thought gtk-recordmydesktop was only for gnome
[04:51] <txwikinger> I will try both
[04:51] <jokerdino> or well, you can use vlc.
[04:52] <jokerdino> http://www.2buntu.com/2011/10/01/how-to-record-your-desktop-with-vlc/
[04:55] <txwikinger> Thanks will try it
[04:55] <txwikinger> Did not find kazzam in the packages
[06:25] <Ben64> theres always an errant pulseaudio process that kills my audio
[06:25] <Ben64> why, and how can i stop it
[07:46] <vega-> does 12.04 have any known network issues?
[07:47] <bazhang> vega-, checked launchpad for bugs related to same?
[07:47] <vega-> i'm connected through wired ethernet and sometimes the connection just switches off (have to reload browser 10 times to display a webpage etc.)
[07:47] <vega-> the same with command line "host" command for instance, it might work only after the 5th or 10th time or so :)
[07:47] <vega-> bazhang: not yet
[08:15] <sahil_> hi
[08:15] <sahil_> how to upgrade from oneric to precise
[08:17] <zniavre> To upgrade from Ubuntu 11.10 on a desktop system: press Alt+F2 and type in "update-manager -d" (without the quotes) into the command box.
[08:17] <sahil_> will taht remove all my insatlled apps?
[08:17] <sahil_> that*
[08:19] <bazhang> sahil_, remove? no. that will get you started on the alpha 2
[08:20] <sahil_> okey..so my installed apps will remain intact right?
[08:20] <bazhang> well apart from the PPA
[08:21] <bazhang> they will be disabled
[08:21] <sahil_> sounds good
[08:21] <sahil_> and how is ati radon drver support for precise..
[08:22] <sahil_> will it revert back to gallium 3d or vesa or catalyst?
[08:23] <bazhang> sahil_, I dont use ati, so I cannot answer that sorry
[08:24] <sahil_> thnx....
[08:24] <bazhang> sahil_, you can wait in here and discuss when more people are active re: the ati situation
[08:25] <sahil_> the ppa's u mentioned will be removed or just disabled?
[08:25] <sahil_> ok surely...m online for an hour or two
[08:44] <codepal> apt-get doesn't want to upgrade packages - why?
[08:45] <codepal> *these packages are held back*
[08:47] <Ampelbein> codepal: when you do sudo apt-get install <packagename_that_has_been_held>, it will show you.
[08:50] <codepal> how? = doesn't show me anything
[08:50] <codepal> except 63 not upgraded
[08:50] <codepal> no error, no reason - no excuse!
[08:51] <codepal> darn it I want  to force upgrade
[08:51] <codepal> where is that Nike key - JUST DO IT!
[08:52] <astraljava> codepal: Might need `sudo apt-get install dist-upgrade`.
[08:52] <astraljava> err
[08:52] <pangolin> codepal: if packages are being held back the last thing you want to do is force it
[08:52] <astraljava> scratch 'install' from that.
[08:52] <codepal> well, this is a testing partition
[08:52] <codepal> so I can nuke it if I want to, can't I?
[08:52] <pangolin> try dist-upgrade
[08:53] <codepal> ok thanks pangolin !!
[08:53] <pangolin> thank astraljava :)
[08:53] <codepal> looks like progress, great astraljava
[08:53] <codepal> which dist is this gonna be now?
[08:54] <codepal> Alpha 3?
[08:54] <astraljava> Hi there pangolin :) You good?
[08:54] <pangolin> astraljava: i'm doing ok thanks.
[08:54] <astraljava> Good, good.
[08:55] <pangolin> codepal: I don't think dist-upgrade has time travel support yet
[08:55] <pangolin> there is talk about adding that to linux kernel 4.0
[08:55] <astraljava> There is no Alpha-3, jump to Beta-1 after Alpha-2.
[08:56] <codepal> pangolin, -- I like your sense of humor
[08:56] <astraljava> Hehe.
[08:56] <codepal> Beta-1 - woot!
[08:56] <codepal> here I come future! Beam me up Scotty!
[08:56] <astraljava> But that's in March, not yet.
[08:56] <codepal> I haven't even done a Unity-Checkbox test yet... I'm too lazy
[08:57] <codepal> er busy
[09:27] <sahil_> how is fgrlx 12.1 in precise
[09:27] <sahil_> buggy or better den gallium 3d
[09:28] <sahil_> m talking about desktop experence ...not games
[10:45] <mainerror> o/
[10:46] <mainerror> Is it intended that the launcher doesn't hide when a window is maximized?
[10:49] <mainerror> That doesn't feel right.
[10:49] <robin0800> mainerror: dodge has or is going to be removed so the choice is on or auto hide
[10:50] <mainerror> o-O
[10:51] <mainerror> So, no intellihide anymore?
[10:52] <robin0800> mainerror: no I think that was dodge
[10:54] <mainerror> Oh god ...
[10:55] <mainerror> I've been an Unity fan since it was introduced but the removal of that feature might drive me away from it.
[10:56] <mainerror> It is absolutely absurd to hide the launcher when there is no window at all. I mean when you are on the desktop.
[10:56] <mainerror> Is there a bug report for this already?
[10:58] <Trewas> I hear it was removed because it is confusing ro users (i.e. thinking they must move windows away to get it to show)
[10:58] <glosoli> Anyone can confirm don't getting any effect when hovering on close, max, min buttons in metacity ?
[10:58] <glosoli> mainerror: If you are talking about dodge, yes there is bug somewhere in launchpad, gonna try to find for you
[11:01] <mainerror> That was the wrong way to tackle such a problem. There will be even more users confused about how to interact with their system in the first place.
[11:01] <glosoli> mainerror: would you mind https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/936091 pressing "affects me" ? Because I am sure you get the same problem
[11:02] <mainerror> glosoli: What is the expected result?
[11:03] <glosoli> mainerror: open nautilus, try to hover on close, max, min you should get some light changes, but you don't
[11:03] <glosoli> it works in unity, so try to maximize windows ant in global menu panel, hover on max min close, you will get effect
[11:03] <mainerror> I do.
[11:03] <glosoli> mainerror: On not maximized windows ?
[11:03] <mainerror> Yes.
[11:04] <glosoli> strange, the problem occurs for me and some my friends hmm
[11:04] <mainerror> You mean a color highlight of the buttons right?
[11:05] <glosoli> mainerror: Yes, but not for maximized windows, for small ones
[11:05] <mainerror> Yup.
[11:05] <glosoli> Strange.. anyway, your problem with dodge: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/930148
[11:07] <mainerror> Ah, thanks. :)
[11:08] <mainerror> Just got this one as well.
[11:08] <mainerror> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libx11/+bug/924612
[11:09] <glosoli> mainerror: when was the last time you did upgrade/dist-upgrade ?
[11:09] <glosoli> Maybe for me problem occured after updates :?
[11:09] <mainerror> Mhmm, last night I guess.
[11:11] <glosoli> ah ok :) anyway, do you get any "Privacy" Section in system settings ?
[11:14] <mainerror> Yup.
[11:14] <glosoli> hmm, I don't :/
[11:30] <wonderman> hi, any devs here that can tell me why everytime i update over the last 2 months it breaks the unity bar settings? starting to wind me up, do people not test these things?
[11:36] <ikonia> wonderman: people do test these things, it's in development, so fixes are done in priority order
[11:36] <ikonia> wonderman: if you don't want/expect things to break use a stable release.
[11:37] <wonderman> sorry ikonia i am talking about 11.10, nobody seems to know what they are talking about in #ubuntu, ie no devs tehre
[11:37] <ikonia> wonderman: talking to developers doesn't get things fixed directly,
[11:37] <wonderman> the worse thing about unity is the bar autohiding, so i use CCSM to set it not to
[11:37] <wonderman> but maybe they will have more of an idea
[11:38] <ikonia> wonderman: 1.) ask in #ubuntu if need help, this is for 12.04 support 2.) log a bug with the best information possible if you believe there is an error in the software
[11:38] <wonderman> well i waited to update packages for a month, because the last time i did it broke the same thing
[11:38] <wonderman> and i waited for 2 days to get some reply before, and got nothing in #ubuntu
[11:38] <ikonia> wonderman: however as I've never seen anyone complain about this before, I'd suggest (note the word suggest) this is a problem with your setup, rather than the actual software or more people would be complaining
[11:38] <wonderman> i think reinstalling catalyst might of been my fix before
[11:39] <wonderman> but i cant do this everytime i update a packge....
[11:39] <ikonia> wonderman: the fact that you've got no reply in #ubuntu suggests it's a problem with your setup, or people would be saying "me too" or "it's a known problem, here is the bug id"
[11:39] <wonderman> but its not uncommon software...
[11:39] <ikonia> wonderman: if the catalyst re-install is fixing it, then it would again suggest the problem is with catalyst drivers and your setup, in which case contacting ATI would be a good move
[11:39] <wonderman> or maybe most people like autohiding unity bar
[11:39] <Ampelbein> wonderman: Please do 'ubuntu-bug unity' and report this in launchpad. Then developers are able to look at the problem and can assess wheter it's a bug or a problem with your setup.
[11:39] <wonderman> i think it blows
[11:40] <ikonia> wonderman: most people don't seem to do auto hiding
[11:40] <wonderman> ikonia: , its the default setting?
[11:40] <ikonia> either way, it's not for this channel, please take it to #ubuntu or follow the process I've suggested
[11:40] <wonderman> lol
[11:40] <wonderman> ill wait till ive got many hours to wait for a reply
[11:41] <wonderman> i shouldnt be fearful of upgrading packages
[11:41] <ikonia> wonderman: I've just given you the reply and suggestions forward, please don't use this channel for 11.10 support again.
[11:41] <wonderman> especially when my setup is pretty basic
[11:41] <wonderman> most people have ATI or nvidia GPUs
[11:41] <ikonia> wonderman: complaining about it won't fix it
[11:41] <ikonia> wonderman: please stop using this channel for 11.10 support discussion
[11:41] <Ampelbein> wonderman: does bug 888039 sound related? If yes, there are packages in oneiric-proposed, see the last comment on that bug. All other questions should go to #ubuntu.
[11:42] <wonderman> nothing like it lol
[11:42] <ikonia> please take this to #ubuntu Ampelbein / wonderman if you want to progress it
[11:43] <Ampelbein> ikonia: I know. Please read the last sentence of my last comment.
[11:43] <mainerror> glosoli: Added a comment to the Dodge window option bug.
[11:57] <glosoli> mainerror: I am curious if they read all thoose comments ;D
[11:58] <mainerror> They sure do.
[12:06] <sabgenton> whats better to install PrecisePangolin alpha 2 or the daily builds?
[12:08] <sabgenton> if you want it to work
[12:11] <glosoli> hmm have no idea, i installed daily
[12:11] <glosoli> works fine :)
[12:11] <glosoli> As there was feature freeze maybe daily might be even stable :?
[12:12] <ironhalik> definition freeze, now they need to work them out ;>
[12:13] <ironhalik> ah no, sorry
[12:13] <ironhalik> wrong side of the table :)
[12:15] <sabgenton> glosoli: thanks
[12:16] <sabgenton> glosoli: If I want to file a but report would it be best to see if PrecisePangolin has the bug and file it for PrecisePangolin instead of oneiric
[12:17] <sabgenton> I mean the devs wont care about oneric as much  anymore u would think..
[12:19] <ironhalik> sabgenton: Oneiric's support ends 04-2013, so you could do both
[12:19] <ironhalik> if its critical bug, theyll try to fix it in oneiric too
[12:20] <sabgenton> hmm ok
[12:20] <sabgenton> still I won't care so much if it works in PrecisePangolin :)
[12:22] <ironhalik> there probably already is a bugreport, so you can just confirm it ;>
[12:36] <mainerror> sabgenton: Generally it depends on what bug you want to report.
[12:36] <mainerror> If something crashed on Oneiric, then report it against Oneiric.
[12:42] <ironhalik> hmm, how long shout updating oneiric to precise take?
[12:42] <ironhalik> im stuck on updating repositories for last 5 minutes
[12:42] <ironhalik> oh ffs, a dialog box got hidden on another workspace :)
[12:53] <glosoli> sabgenton: if you want to file a bug you do in terminal: ubuntu-bug package_name and then you will go trough some steps and the bug will be filled :)
[13:47] <ironhalik> can I log into launchpad with openID?
[13:56] <jtaylor> no lp is only an openid provide no consumer
[13:57] <jtaylor> o has that changed? haven't checked in month
[13:58] <ironhalik> nah, it provides openid
[15:01] <wiza> anyone got imon ffdc working on precise? can't get any output to come to anywhere, ir-keytable or syslog.
[15:26] <ironhalik> can I set the default action for my power button?
[15:26] <ironhalik> to suspend instead of the dialog box
[15:33] <iceroot> ironhalik: in the power-settings there should be an option for that
[15:34] <iceroot> ironhalik: i have disabled the powermanager (because of an ugly bug) but imo there was an option for that
[15:34] <xb> hi,  this  morning i installed the proposed updates on xubuntu 12.04  x86_64  and the theme changed after the suggested reboot
[15:53] <ironhalik> iceroot: actually, Ive only time to suspend there, and whether to show the battery applet.
[15:54] <ironhalik> but Ive found the option via dconf-editor
[16:16] <rly> Who is ikonia?
[16:21]  * penguin42 seems to be getting a lot of flash crashes today - not had any for *ages* - I wonder what got updated
[16:24] <jtaylor> me 2
[16:24] <jtaylor> didn't have any problems for years up until a couple month ago
[16:25] <ironhalik> its a plot to push html5 forward ;>
[16:25] <ironhalik> windows 8 will have flash disable in the default mode, linux users will have flash crashing constantly ;>
[16:26] <Ampelbein> flash can go die in a fire, to be honest ;-)
[16:26] <penguin42> Ampelbein: I don't disagree
[16:27] <ironhalik> hmm, html5 video could use some work for me
[16:27] <ironhalik> never thought I will say it, but flash video works better for me :P
[16:28] <Daekdroom> HTML5 YouTube player works wonders for me. Too bad I can't use it to watch everything there.
[16:29] <jtaylor> gnash also works on youtube, but not much more :(
[16:31] <ironhalik> hmm, lately I visited some quite popular tech news site
[16:32] <ironhalik> got surprised that they used html5 video player by default
[16:34] <Daekdroom> Nevertheless, I wish I can cease to use Flash someday.
[16:35] <ironhalik> hmm, it seems it wont be long now :)
[16:36] <ironhalik> I dont have flash on my android phone
[16:36] <ironhalik> and theres lots of ipads there that generate flashless consumer traffic
[16:36] <Ampelbein> ironhalik: http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2011/11/flash-focus.html - Adobe stops all mobile development.
[16:37] <ironhalik> I use it pretty much to watch online cat videos and get raped by some runaway ads
[16:37] <ironhalik> yeah Ampelbein, it was funny when I saw it on slashdot :)
[16:38] <ironhalik> http://occupyflash.org/
[16:59] <sahil_> Hi guys...can i have someones kind attention?
[16:59] <Daekdroom> Ask your question right away and stay around a few minutes to see if anyone can help you.
[17:01] <ikonia> sahil_: please don't cross-post your question
 i upgraded to precise a couple of minutes ago...the whole desktop is crashing every now and den....copiz is crashing and windows are been drawn very slowly ...
[17:03] <sahil_> compiz*
[17:03] <ikonia> sahil_: what have you done to debug this ?
[17:04] <sahil_> done nothing as of now...coz if i even move a window...it takes 5-6 seconds for the flickering to stop
[17:04] <ikonia> sahil_: ok, I suggest doing some basic debugging
[17:04] <ikonia> sahil_: then once you've narrowed it down a bit, ask for specific help
[17:05] <sahil_> okey...from where shall i start?
[17:05] <ironhalik> sahil_: I would start with video drivers
[17:06] <ironhalik> and you can do this via tty, so it shouldnt be that bad
[17:06] <sahil_> okey...will give a try...
[17:07] <ironhalik> sahil_: the tool ubuntu uses to fetch additional drivers is called jockey - you can use the CLI version, jockey-text
[17:08] <sahil_> ok.. :)
[17:11] <ironhalik> shame you cant upgrade 32bit->64bit
[17:15] <ironhalik> hmm, is there a way to edit/add the dash right-click menu?
http://pastebin.com/PFnCYH6A
[17:17] <sahil_> this is my x.org log
[17:17] <sahil_> file
[17:18] <bjsnider> you could try running htop to see if there's a cpu-intesive process
[17:19] <sahil_> bjsnider_ are u saying me?
[17:19] <bjsnider> yes
[17:19] <sahil_> well i m running just firefox and xchat...nthing else
[17:19] <ironhalik> yeah, check if Xorg doesnt hog the CPU
[17:20] <sahil_> how to do that...sory m very noob at debuging
[17:20] <ironhalik> in terminal, type 'top'
[17:20] <bjsnider> the log says every video driver except the basic rame buffer fails to load because it doesn't exist
[17:21] <bjsnider> make sure you've got xserver-xorg-video-radeon installed
[17:22] <dupondje> Yeey updating to Precise
[17:22] <dupondje> lets see what it gives :)
[17:23] <ironhalik> dupondje: for me it went more or less flawlessly
[17:23] <sahil_> http://pastebin.com/bdDjnHRR
 ya the gfx may b the problem...even in oneric i had a couple of issues
[17:24] <bjsnider> sahil_, sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[17:24] <sahil_> this is propietory catalyst 12.1 or gallium 0.4?
[17:25] <bjsnider> gallium
[17:25] <dupondje> Are there some improvements for Dual VGA's in Precise
[17:25] <bjsnider> the problem is you're not using the appropriate xorg driver
[17:25] <dupondje> aka Nvidia Optimus
[17:25] <sahil_> system info says i have Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x300)  insatlled
[17:25] <bjsnider> dupondje, no, but thanks for asking
[17:25] <sahil_> installed*
[17:26] <dupondje> bjsnider: nothing planned or so ? :(
[17:26] <dupondje> cause that would be a nice improvement :)
[17:26] <bjsnider> dupondje, you have to disable the optimus switching system in your bios/efi
[17:27] <dupondje> bjsnider: I have no option to do that in BIOS
[17:27] <bjsnider> some laptops do and some don't
[17:27] <bjsnider> it's just unfortunate
 i have insatlled...now shall i restart or wat? and something oneconf is also crahing...m not sure wats dat
[17:28] <bjsnider> restart
[17:28] <sahil_> crashing*
[17:28] <sahil_> ok
[17:28] <dupondje> bjsnider: well ironhide is usefull .. just needs better integration
[17:29] <bjsnider> the ati driver is actually better for most things except high-end gaming at this point when compared to fglrx
[17:31] <Freeaqingme> Hi. I'm on the daily build of 12.04, using two screens. That results in 2 unity bars; is there any way to disable the second unity bar?
no improvemennt... :(
[17:31] <bjsnider> what does your xorg log say now?
[17:32] <sahil_> one min
[17:32] <dupondje> 'E:Couldn't configure pre-depend libtinfo5 for libncurses5, probably
[17:32] <dupondje> err :P
[17:33] <faenil> hi guys :)
[17:33] <sahil_> http://pastebin.com/8SmuFJCt hre is it
[17:33] <faenil> is there any way to create a wifi network that an android device sees?
 here it is
[17:34] <faenil> I have tried creating an hotspot in ad-hoc and infrastructure mode, and none works
[17:34] <ironhalik> hmm, anybody has the new unity-greeter lockscreen?
[17:34] <sahil_> http://pastebin.com/8SmuFJCt
[17:35] <bjsnider> sahil_, still says ati doesn't exist, what happens if you run 'sudo modprobe ati'
[17:35] <dupondje> ah https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/924079
[17:35] <sahil_> FATAL: Module ati not found.
[17:35] <dupondje> boo :D
[17:37] <sahil_> ya..i was upgrading via tty...all of a sudden all sript stoped...didnt asked for restart or anything
[17:38] <bjsnider> well, obviously you're stuck in some kind of limbo
[17:38] <sahil_> later yet i went to repair mode to see any broken pacakge...it gave me few obsolute pacakge wich it removed
[17:38] <bjsnider> run apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:38] <bjsnider> and -f install
[17:38] <bjsnider> and upgrade
[17:39] <bjsnider> and make sure your sources are all precise and not oneiric
[17:39] <bjsnider> and no ppas
[17:39] <sahil_> ok
[17:39] <sahil_> btw the system info says its 12.04
[17:40] <sahil_> and hey...no limbo exist for linux...coz here people things about "we" rather then "I"
[17:41] <bjsnider> you could have something like half-precise packages half-oneiric, or missing packages that need to be there
[17:42] <bjsnider> you need to have ubuntu-desktop in there
[17:42] <sahil_> m running unity...it feels like using gnome shell at the time ubuntu remix was rleased
[17:44] <sahil_> apt-get dist-upgrade done just 1.5mb download.. :/
[17:46] <bjsnider> xserver-xorg-video-all and xserver-xorg-video-ati too
[17:46] <bjsnider> the ati module could be blacklisted
[17:46] <imnichol> sahil_, did you check your /etc/apt/sources.list to make sure it was all precise sources?
[17:47] <imnichol> I didn't see you say that, just checking
in update manager setting all presice are ticked
[17:47] <imnichol> Ok
[17:47] <bjsnider> check /etc/modprobe.d for blacklist files that might be ati-related
[17:48] <ironhalik> hmm, it may be stupid, but have you tried to jockey tool? Sometimes the automated stuff proves more error proof
[17:48] <sahil_> how to open these file via terminal? cat<location><filename>?
[17:49] <ironhalik> nano /path/to/file
[17:49] <sahil_> oh..thnx
[17:49] <bjsnider> cat will work just to look at the contents
[17:49] <ironhalik> yeah, it prints the contents
[17:49] <sahil_> and wats nano?
[17:49] <ironhalik> a terminal based text editor
[17:49] <bjsnider> nano is an editor
[17:50] <sahil_> like gedit?
[17:50] <ironhalik> yeah, just in terminal
[17:50] <sahil_> ok..
[17:50] <ironhalik> you can also use gedit in terminal, it will launch the file in it
[17:50] <ironhalik> if you prefer graphical interface
[17:51] <bjsnider> given how slow his setup is, that's probably not wise
[17:51] <ironhalik> just remember to have proper rights, eg. you need root to edit sources.list
[17:51] <sahil_> so...sudo i gess?
[17:51] <ironhalik> sudo -i
[17:51] <sahil_> gues*
[17:52] <ironhalik> sudo -i will turn sudo on for the session, until you logout the root or close the temrinal
[17:53] <ironhalik> tbh I never got why root account is disabled in ubuntu by default :)
[17:53] <bjsnider> in debian
[17:53] <sahil_> its still showing premission denied...wow rare encounter
[17:53] <ironhalik> to which file?
[17:54] <sahil_> sahil@sahil:~/Desktop$ sudo -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:54] <sahil_> [sudo] password for sahil:
[17:54] <sahil_> -bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
[17:54] <ironhalik> first, do sudo -i without any file
[17:54] <sahil_> ok..
[17:55] <ironhalik> then, youll change to root@sahil:~ #:
[17:55] <sahil_> root@sahil:~#  /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:55] <sahil_> -bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
[17:55] <sahil_> O.o
[17:55] <ironhalik> and then nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:55] <ironhalik> it says that because sources.list is not executable
[17:55] <sahil_> ok..
[17:56] <ironhalik> use nano :)
[17:56] <sahil_> ya...good to see colorful stuff in terminal
[17:57] <ironhalik> yeah, check if all the red is 'precise'
[17:58] <ironhalik> nano tips: ctrl+w = search, ctrl+c = close the editor, it will ask if you wamnt to save any changes
[17:58] <sahil_> http://pastebin.com/vs2ztLbZ
[17:58] <sahil_> all red stuff is precise
[17:59] <ironhalik> oh, alsa use page up / page down to move around
[17:59] <ironhalik> also*
[17:59] <ironhalik> you pasted only the first page
[17:59] <sahil_> oh
[17:59] <ironhalik> well, either way, Im still in favor of trying the jockey tool to install ati drivers
[18:00] <ironhalik> jockey-text seems to be bugged for me right now, so you could try jockey-gtk, even while laggy
[18:02] <ironhalik> uh, correction, ctrl+x closes nano :)
[18:02] <sahil_> http://pastebin.com/mBBF9x9s
[18:03] <sahil_> well jockey...u mean the addition driver stuff..one with sort of graphics card icon?
[18:03] <sahil_> :)
[18:03] <ironhalik> yeah
[18:04] <sahil_> here i get confuse between the post release and normal driver...
[18:04] <ironhalik> you can use both
[18:04] <ironhalik> either one
[18:06] <sahil_> and hey...amd-driver-installer-12-1-x86.x86_64.run and ati-driver-installer-11-11-x86.x86_64.run downloaded in my machine...which of the two can i install?
[18:06] <sahil_> i guess i can insatll thse right?
[18:06] <ironhalik> yeah
[18:07] <sahil_> which one?
[18:07] <ironhalik> the 12.1 I think :)
[18:07] <ironhalik> also, you need to go to the downloads folder
[18:07] <ironhalik> cd /path/to/downloads
[18:07] <ironhalik> then chmod +x amd-driver-installer-12-1-x86.x86_64.run and ati-driver-installer-11-11-x86.x86_64.run
[18:07] <ironhalik> then ./amd-driver-installer-12-1-x86.x86_64.run and ati-driver-installer-11-11-x86.x86_64.run
[18:07] <sahil_> i made a folder in home named it catalyst and kept the 12.1 file there
[18:08] <ironhalik> cd /home/sahil/catalyst
[18:08] <sahil_> wait..i have to insatll both of them? O.o?
[18:09] <sahil_> in ur commands u have given "and" between the files
[18:09] <iceroot> i need feedback from someone with ubuntu (gnome/unity) 12.04 on this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/936421  please have a look and write feedback here or on the bug
[18:09] <ironhalik> sahil_: no, you do it on the 12.1 version
[18:10] <ironhalik> sahil_: I copied the text, do it on 12.1 only
[18:10] <sahil_> okey,,,
[18:12] <iceroot> also posted on #ubuntu because its also affecting lubuntu 11.10
[18:13] <sahil_> stupid question i knw... chmod vs chroot.../sudo vs root /su vs gksu... where can i find a clear answer?
[18:13] <iceroot> sahil_: chmod has nothing to do with chroot
[18:13] <jtaylor> chmod and chroot are completely unrelated
[18:13] <iceroot> !sudo | sahil_
[18:14] <iceroot> sahil_: please ALWAYS use sudo instead of a root shell, and use gksu/gksudo when running gui-programs
[18:14] <jtaylor> sahil_: chmod = change file mode bits, is used for changing permissions of file (read write execute)
[18:15] <sahil_> okey..thnx guys...
[18:15] <ironhalik> iceroot: why would su/sudo -i be not advised?
[18:15] <sahil_> :)
[18:15] <iceroot> ironhalik: because there is no need to have a root shell and users normally do things as root where root is not needed
[18:15] <iceroot> ironhalik: and "su" is not working by default on ubuntu
[18:15] <ironhalik> yeah, noticed :>
[18:15] <sahil_> aone more question gksu is only for gnome or wat??? so is there any kdsu?
[18:16] <iceroot> sahil_: gksudo is for gnome, unity, xfce4, lxde
[18:16] <bjsnider> it's kdesu
[18:16] <sahil_> ah.. :)
[18:17] <ironhalik> iceroot: so its more of an 'stop using root to do everyday stuff!' issue ;>
[18:18] <iceroot> ironhalik: its more of a "most of the users dont know what they are doing but they are great in destryoing the system"
[18:18] <ironhalik> true
[18:18] <ironhalik> ;>
[18:18] <iceroot> ironhalik: so we dont suggest/support root-shells, we always suggest sudo command
[18:19] <ironhalik> yeah, I always thought the move to disable root shell by default was kinda lame
[18:19] <bjsnider> who told him to manually install fglrx from the amd installer?
[18:19] <ironhalik> but then, since Ubuntu is supposed to be user friendly, it also needs to be user-proof
[18:19] <ironhalik> ;>
[18:19] <iceroot> ironhalik: there is no single reason to have a root shell
[18:20] <ironhalik> iceroot: if you roam around /etc/, its more convienient to do it from root, then constantly type sudo ;>
[18:20] <sahil_> hey my problem is resolved...installing 12.1 vcatalyst solved the issue...12.1 is much better then 11.11
[18:20] <iceroot> ironhalik: as i said, we dont support/suggest root shells
[18:20] <sahil_> no desktop tearing atall
[18:20] <ironhalik> sahil_: GJ then
[18:20] <iceroot> ironhalik: and when working/editing in an editor with root-access, every good editor (vim) has a great feature to open other files too
[18:20] <imnichol> ironhalik, it's "more convenient" until you mistype a mv/rm and blow away your filesystem
[18:20] <sahil_> gj?
[18:21] <imnichol> good job
[18:21] <iceroot> ironhalik: no need to write sudo everytime
[18:21] <bjsnider> yeah, it's solved as long as you keep manually installing fglrx
[18:21] <bjsnider> and as long as you like the inferior performance vs. the radeon driver
[18:21] <Ampelbein> ironhalik: Everyday there are people who come here, the forums or the bugtracker to report broken issues due to messing up their ~/ with being root.
[18:22] <ironhalik> chown -R user:user /home/user/
[18:22] <ironhalik> ;>
[18:23] <ironhalik> anyway, I guess its a good idea to discourage user from using root shell
[18:23] <iceroot> ironhalik: more evil, starting something as root where it is not needed
[18:23] <iceroot> ironhalik: e.g. starting svn-server as root, teamspeak-server as root
[18:23] <iceroot> ironhalik: or the complete gui
[18:23] <ironhalik> but for those who know their CLI, and dont 'accidentally type rm -rf /', root shells are ok
[18:23] <iceroot> ironhalik: no
[18:23] <sahil_> hey how to speak to a single person here?like if someone trys to say me something,i get notifyed and text for me becomes red in color(sory for my poor english)
[18:23] <iceroot> ironhalik: and sudo rm -rf / is doing nothing
[18:24] <ironhalik> rm -rf ~/
[18:24] <iceroot> sahil_: just put there name infront of the text
[18:24] <ironhalik> rm -rf ~/*
[18:24] <ironhalik> :>
[18:24] <iceroot> !danger
[18:24] <iceroot> ironhalik: stop that
[18:24] <ironhalik> ah, sorry
[18:24] <iceroot> !tab | sahil_
[18:25] <sahil_> wow...are these bots autnomus?
[18:25] <sahil_> autonomas?
[18:25] <iceroot> !bot | sahil_
[18:25] <iceroot> sahil_: we are lazy so we have ubottu :)
[18:26] <sahil_> bots searches keywords within the text i guess?
[18:27] <iceroot> sahil_: the bot is searching for a keyword starting with ! and then writing the text which belongs to the keyword
[18:27] <sahil_> okey...
[18:28] <sahil_> hey is everybody happy with the scroling system of the dash?its so tiny...may b just 2-3 px width...
[18:30] <sahil_> iceroot, is it possible to keep filters of dash turned on by default?
[18:30] <iceroot> sahil_: sorry i dont use unity
[18:31] <sahil_> okey..is there another chanel for this?
[18:36] <iceroot> if you are using ubuntu 12.04 this channel, if you are using a version below 12.04 use #ubuntu
[18:39] <sahil_> 12.04.but u said u dnt use unity
[18:40] <guntbert> sahil_: there may be others here who can help you
[18:40] <iceroot> sahil_: i dont use unity, but i am not speaking for the complete channel
[18:40] <iceroot> sahil_: other users here are using unity
[18:41] <sahil_> okey.. :)
[18:41] <iceroot> not all but some of them :)
[18:41] <sahil_> is there any fix for ugly green skype icon...monochrome replacement?
[18:46] <guntbert> iceroot: what do you use instead - if I may ask?
[18:48] <iceroot> guntbert: lubuntu/lxde
[18:48] <guntbert> iceroot: thx
[18:59] <ironhalik> is there some particular time when ubuntu repos are updated with devs work?
[18:59] <ironhalik> any*
[19:00] <iceroot> ironhalik: no special time
[19:00] <Ampelbein> ironhalik: It's continuous process
[19:00] <ironhalik> k, thx
[19:00] <Ampelbein> ironhalik: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule for a more general overview
[19:02] <ironhalik> Im thinking more about when updates to packages come out - fixes, etc
[19:03] <ironhalik> not whole alpha/beta builds
[19:03] <iceroot> ironhalik: no special time
[19:03] <iceroot> ironhalik: always is the correct answer :)
[19:03] <ironhalik> hmm k ;>
[19:03] <Ampelbein> ironhalik: You can subscribe to https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/precise-changes to get informed of new package uploads by mail.
[19:17] <sahil_> hey guys.. i just broke my ubuntu
[19:17] <sahil_> :)
[19:18] <sahil_> i used ubuntu tweak and removed few config files and voila...unity doesnt start
[19:18] <sahil_> any suggestion?
[19:18] <iceroot> sahil_: try "unity --reset"
[19:19] <sahil_> m on gnome classic...will it work from here?
[19:21] <sahil_> iceroot,  notworking
[19:22]  * tekonivelo <3 Ubuntu
[19:24] <sahil_> u there?
[19:24] <sahil_> anyone here? :)
[19:25] <trism> sahil_: did you log out/back in to unity after the unity --reset?
[19:26] <sahil_> yes...crash dialog comeing up saying panal not working or stopped smthing then gnome clasic panal popping up
[19:27] <sahil_> http://pastebin.com/z12sJjvW
[19:28] <sahil_> this is what comes after unity--reset
[19:28] <DanaG> say, isn't unity supposed to now show a list of shortcuts upon holding "super"?
[19:28] <DanaG> It's not doing that for me.
[19:29] <DanaG> Unity-2D, more specifically.
[19:29] <DanaG> oh, it's unity 4.0 I have.
[19:34] <glosoli> DanaG: It does show, just hold for a bit longer ;D
[19:35] <ironhalik> hmm, nice, unit-2d looks almost like unity
[19:38] <DanaG> correction: it's 5.4.0
[19:39] <DanaG> okay, I held it for like 30 seconds, and got the numbers on the launcher, but not the big shortcut-list window.
[19:39] <ironhalik> Hmm, it doesnt show for me, too
[19:39] <ironhalik> same here
[19:42] <DanaG> hah, phoronix "btrfs fsck release is imminent".
[19:42] <DanaG> yeah, it's been "coming soon" for like 2 years, hasn't it?
[19:42] <DanaG> But that's off-topic.
[19:44] <DanaG> [6] Type mismatch: wanted Float, got String instead.  Main.?.0
[19:44] <DanaG> in myunity.
[19:46] <ironhalik> huh, I would need to report a bug about the bug-reporter :>
[19:47] <ironhalik> hows the crash reported named?
[19:49] <Ampelbein> ironhalik: apport
[19:51] <ironhalik> thx
[19:56] <DanaG> The program 'gconftool' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[19:56] <DanaG> apt-get install gconf2
[19:56] <DanaG> ... gconf2 is already the newest version.
[20:03] <bjsnider> DanaG, the btrfs devs didn't know how the fs would fail, so they could design a fsck right away
[20:10] <DanaG> bjsnider: yeah, that's understandable, but this message states things more clearly:
[20:10] <DanaG> http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-btrfs/msg12742.html
[20:10] <DanaG> "  That 2 week time line has now reached the 9 week mark.  The only update anyone has seen was 7 weeks ago, with a 'maybe today'.   Isn't it time to get that code checked in so someone else can take over, and not have to start from scratch?  Even if there isn't any actual working code, having any failed attempts in source control would still be instructive to whoever takes over delivering an actual fsck tool."
[20:11] <DanaG> Anyway, I'll just wait to see what happens.
[20:30] <ironhalik> hmm, the new dash reveal mode is cool
[20:34] <DanaG> what does unity use to index music?
[20:34] <DanaG> Rhythmbox?
[20:44] <DanaG> Rhythmbox sees all my music; Unity sees none at all.
[20:49] <trism> DanaG: looking at the code, seems to use banshee, so I imagine pretty broken at the moment since the switch back to rhythmbox
[20:55] <DanaG> hmm, so installing banshee should fix it.
[20:55] <DanaG> or rather, work around it.
[21:02] <faenil> can anybody help me configure hostapd?
[21:10] <trism> DanaG: yep, that seems to do it, install banshee, import from rhythmbox, and for some reason, restart unity then the songs appear
[21:13] <DanaG> hah, as unstable as it is, I'm finding xfreerdp-server (not packaged) way more usable than VNC.
[21:13] <DanaG> VNC is always terribly laggy.  RDP works really well, but tends to stop responding if I alt-tab.
[21:14] <DanaG> What'd be the ultimate level of awesomeness from the rdp server: to have it behav the same as Windows Server.  Multiple, detachable sessions, with audio redirection.
[21:15] <penguin42> DanaG: Are you using this on a physical server?
[21:16] <penguin42> DanaG: Or a VM?
[21:20] <DanaG> It's a physical server, with no local monitor.
[21:20] <penguin42> ah ok; just say because Spice on VMs is coming on nicely as an alternative to vnc
[21:20] <DanaG> Yeah, too bad the HP Microserver lacks an iommu.
[21:22] <DanaG> now, how do I get the equivalent of "gnome-screensaver-command --lock"?  Just dbus-send?
[21:33] <trism> DanaG: dbus-send --session --type=method_call --dest=org.gnome.ScreenSaver / org.gnome.ScreenSaver.Lock;
[21:34] <DanaG> org.gnome.screensaver doesn't exist in d-feet on the session bus.
[21:34] <DanaG> But gnome-screensaver is not installed... if I install it, is it the modern gnome3 version?
[21:35] <trism> DanaG: version 3.2.1
[21:35] <ironhalik> apt-cache show gnome-screensaver
[21:35] <ironhalik> yup, 3.2.1
[21:37] <DanaG> thanks.