[18:54] <seiflotfy> hey guys
[19:24] <elacheche_anis> hey seiflotfy :)
[19:34] <seiflotfy> ashams: my love
[19:34] <seiflotfy> :D
[19:35] <ashams> seiflotfy, hey sweat heart :P
[19:35] <ashams> :D
[19:35] <seiflotfy> how r u
[19:35] <ashams> are you in egypt so far?
[19:35] <ashams> fine ya basha
[19:35] <ashams> u?
[19:35] <seiflotfy> i am in germany
[19:35] <seiflotfy> hzacking
[19:35] <seiflotfy> i am fine
[19:35] <ashams> cool
[19:35] <seiflotfy> kinda adpoted a new developer teaching him how to actually hack zeitggeist
[19:35] <seiflotfy> he is very promising
[19:35] <ashams> woooooohoooo
[19:36] <ashams> that would be cool
[19:36] <ashams> are u mentoring him on a ML?
[19:37] <ashams> can you ask him/her if I can get it then put into some doc or intro to developing into zg?
[19:37] <seiflotfy> no i am mentoring him on irc
[19:37] <seiflotfy> giving him small tasks
[19:38] <seiflotfy> he has however good knowledge of c++ and c
[19:38] <seiflotfy> which makes my life easy
[19:38] <seiflotfy> but yeah
[19:38] <seiflotfy> sounds like a good idea
[19:38] <seiflotfy> maybe he can start a blog
[19:38] <seiflotfy> :D
[19:38] <ashams> cool dude
[19:38] <ashams> finally I can help :D
[19:39] <seiflotfy> Boy asks, "Granny, have you seen my pills, they're marked LSD". Granny replies, "F*ck the pills, have u seen the dragon in the kitchen?!"
[19:40] <ashams> hahaha
[19:41] <ashams> dude, do you still want to make that conference fossdAm or fosscon?
[19:41] <ashams> we can make a use of it to start an ngo
[19:41] <ashams> woohoo 2 helghareeb helghareeb_ cool :D
[19:43] <elacheche_anis> ashams & seiflotfy I was thinking that we are the only team that we have lovers XD but I think that you have lovers too :p :p XD
[19:44] <seiflotfy> ashams: why do we need an ngo
[19:44] <seiflotfy> ?
[19:44] <ashams> elacheche_anis, coll sweetie :P
[19:44] <ashams> seiflotfy, it's hard to collect donations
[19:44] <ashams> we're not legal entity
[19:44] <seiflotfy> ashams: uhm u dont want donations
[19:44] <seiflotfy> u want events that get payed for you
[19:44] <seiflotfy> :D
[19:44] <ashams> exactly
[19:45] <ashams> that's what I was thinking about
[19:45] <seiflotfy> so no neeed for ngo
[19:45] <seiflotfy> if we do fosdam we dont need to be an entity
[19:45] <ashams> seiflotfy, no, dude we need donations
[19:45] <seiflotfy> we get in contact with a uni who will donate us space
[19:45] <seiflotfy> donate us space
[19:46] <ashams> so what about cds
[19:46] <ashams> stickers
[19:46] <ashams> t-shirts
[19:46] <seiflotfy> this is ubuntu related
[19:46] <seiflotfy> not fosdam
[19:46] <ashams> aha
[19:46] <ashams> that what I was asking about
[19:46] <ashams> is ubuntu related to fossdam
[19:46] <seiflotfy> i dont think there are any ubuntu ngos
[19:46] <ashams> but clearly not
[19:47] <ashams> yes, there's none
[19:47] <seiflotfy> fosdam (one s)
[19:47] <seiflotfy> fosdam should allow all open source
[19:47] <seiflotfy> and not only encourage ubuntu
[19:47] <seiflotfy> so we want mozilla ppl
[19:47] <seiflotfy> we want gnome ppl
[19:47] <seiflotfy> kde
[19:47] <seiflotfy> not only ubuntu related stuff
[19:47] <ashams> yes, and that ngo not necessarily ubuntu
[19:48] <ashams> maybe a branch of FSF
[19:48] <ashams> for egypt
[19:48] <ashams> not only for ubuntu ofcourse
[19:48] <seiflotfy> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm fsf and osi not the same thing
[19:48] <seiflotfy> imho opinion no need for an ngo
[19:49] <seiflotfy> what will we do with the money
[19:49] <seiflotfy> get ubutu-shirts
[19:49] <seiflotfy> not the ngos repsonsibility
[19:49] <seiflotfy> the ngo could donate to ubuntu-eg
[19:49] <ashams> no, it's illegal
[19:49] <ashams> self-fund or no money
[19:50] <ashams> and self-fund is scarse
[19:50] <ashams> scarce
[19:50] <seiflotfy> an egyptian ngo cant donate to ubuntu-eg
[19:50] <seiflotfy> ?
[19:50] <ashams> not enough money
[19:50] <ashams> yes, it can't
[19:50] <seiflotfy> wtf
[19:50] <seiflotfy> who came up with this rule
[19:50] <seiflotfy> ?
[19:50] <ashams> we have no identity at all
[19:50] <ashams> it's illegal dude
[19:50] <ashams> I hate egyptian law
[19:51] <seiflotfy> ashams: yeah but it could donate the shirt
[19:51] <seiflotfy> as in print the shirts and send the mto ppl who request it
[19:51] <ashams> they usually print their logo biger than ubuntu-eg's
[19:51] <ashams> bigger*
[19:52] <ashams> on the same shirt
[19:52] <ashams> :)
[19:52] <seiflotfy> yeah i can take care of that
[19:52] <seiflotfy> :D
[19:53] <ashams> so, the idea is to make some hub to collect funds to help all FL/OSS movements in egypt
[19:53] <ashams> :-)
[19:54] <seiflotfy> having floss movement depend on funds at an early stage is dangerous
[19:54] <seiflotfy> first we need better functioning communities and deployments
[19:54] <seiflotfy> then we get money to try to maintain the deployments
[19:54] <ashams> we almost have this in ubuntu eg
[19:55] <ashams> right
[19:55] <seiflotfy> getting money to expand is dangeoures in the sense that it makes expansion dependant on funds
[19:55] <seiflotfy> which shouldnt be
[19:55] <seiflotfy> this would lead the equation of no funds == no expansion
[19:56] <seiflotfy> first thign we need is to teach ppl to use irc
[19:56] <seiflotfy> :D
[19:56] <ashams> haha :D
[19:56] <seiflotfy> but having a central hub for FOSS in egypt does make sense though
[19:56] <ashams> why so?
[19:57] <seiflotfy> such an entity can represent at confernces
[19:57] <ashams> man, finance is our only problem
[19:57] <ashams> how you think we can fix it?
[19:58] <seiflotfy> be part of ubuntu and gnome
[19:58] <seiflotfy> this will fix it for you
[19:58] <ashams> we are already
[19:58] <seiflotfy> as part of ubutnu and gnome i get my shirts and shit payed for
[19:58] <seiflotfy> but yes i agree
[19:58] <seiflotfy> u r right
[19:58] <seiflotfy> an entitiy is a good idea
[19:59] <seiflotfy> as long as it sperates itself from ubuntu-eg and others in terms of interest
[19:59] <ashams> the step-council is about to launch the new structure, so it seemed that ubutnu-eg have reached some good status to get funds
[19:59] <seiflotfy> and work on the local education on open source
[19:59] <ashams> yeah
[19:59] <ashams> that's it
[19:59] <ashams> ppl graduate form schools with no thing
[19:59] <seiflotfy> if you guys want shirt tell me how much it will cose
[19:59] <ashams> lamers
[19:59] <seiflotfy> cost
[19:59] <seiflotfy> i will look into getting canonical pay them for you guys
[20:00] <ashams> seriously?
[20:00] <ashams> that would be cool
[20:00] <ashams> but, I think we need to focus on an ngo more
[20:00] <ashams> to fix it forever
[20:01] <seiflotfy> ashams: it wont fix it forever
[20:01] <seiflotfy> right now u want money for ubuntu-shirts and ubutnu-eg related thing
[20:02] <seiflotfy> then lets get ubuntu to sponsor it for us
[20:02] <ashams> aha
[20:02] <seiflotfy> ashams: the entity itself will not represent ubuntu-eg
[20:03] <seiflotfy> entity being the ngo
[20:03] <ashams> and about future....? we'll need more soon, ppl join everyday and we'll ned more and more
[20:03] <ashams> need*
[20:03] <ashams> it's continuous work
[20:03] <seiflotfy> ashams: getting shirts is not really something we need to be concerned of
[20:03] <seiflotfy> there are bigger issues
[20:03] <seiflotfy> education
[20:04] <ashams> aha
[20:04] <seiflotfy> what does a shirt say about some1
[20:04] <seiflotfy> i have a mozilla shirt
[20:04] <seiflotfy> doesnt make me a mozilla guy
[20:04] <seiflotfy> i have a kde shirt too
[20:04] <ashams> it's important for expansion
[20:04] <seiflotfy> no its not
[20:04] <ashams> to get ppl know about it
[20:05] <seiflotfy> important for expansion is goign to events and talking
[20:05] <ashams> events need money too
[20:05] <seiflotfy> going to universities and actually formatting pcs to use ubuntu :P
[20:05] <seiflotfy> ashams: eventy dont need money
[20:05] <seiflotfy> ashams: events need ppl to donate their time
[20:05] <seiflotfy> and space
[20:06] <seiflotfy> ashams: you shouldnt go ask an uni if you can rent its rooms for ubuntu-eg stuff
[20:06] <seiflotfy> look for the unis that will donate the rooms for you
[20:06] <seiflotfy> and make u not pay
[20:06] <seiflotfy> avoid money transaction
[20:06] <ashams> manoura university ets ~2000 for one conf room :(
[20:06] <ashams> gets*
[20:06] <ashams> one day
[20:06] <seiflotfy> then fuck them
[20:06] <ashams> horible
[20:07] <ashams> so we need money
[20:07] <seiflotfy> i can talk to CAiro Uni
[20:07] <seiflotfy> no u dont
[20:07] <ashams> and self-fund can't take it
[20:07] <seiflotfy> ashams: wanna bet that i can get a uni to donate rooms for us
[20:07] <seiflotfy> without us having to pay anything
[20:07] <ashams> yes
[20:07] <ashams> yes
[20:07] <seiflotfy> because i started talking to cairo uni
[20:07] <seiflotfy> :D
[20:08] <ashams> for fossdam?
[20:08] <seiflotfy> its fosdam
[20:08] <seiflotfy> one s
[20:08] <seiflotfy> abotu the idea of a open source conf
[20:08] <ashams> haha ok
[20:08] <seiflotfy> talked to some professorts there
[20:08] <ashams> yes
[20:09] <seiflotfy> so if a uni wants you to pay them money to give a talk about something non profit then feel free to tell them to go fuck themselves
[20:09] <seiflotfy> find unis that wont ask for money
[20:09] <ashams> :D
[20:10] <ashams> cool, will try to
[20:10] <seiflotfy> ok i gtg
[20:10] <seiflotfy> need to get some stuff done here
[20:10] <seiflotfy> :D
[20:10] <ashams> ok bye dude
[20:10] <seiflotfy> ttyl
[20:10] <seiflotfy> bye