[18:54] hey guys [19:24] hey seiflotfy :) [19:34] ashams: my love [19:34] :D [19:35] seiflotfy, hey sweat heart :P [19:35] :D [19:35] how r u [19:35] are you in egypt so far? [19:35] fine ya basha [19:35] u? [19:35] i am in germany [19:35] hzacking [19:35] i am fine [19:35] cool [19:35] kinda adpoted a new developer teaching him how to actually hack zeitggeist [19:35] he is very promising [19:35] woooooohoooo [19:36] that would be cool [19:36] are u mentoring him on a ML? [19:37] can you ask him/her if I can get it then put into some doc or intro to developing into zg? [19:37] no i am mentoring him on irc [19:37] giving him small tasks [19:38] he has however good knowledge of c++ and c [19:38] which makes my life easy [19:38] but yeah [19:38] sounds like a good idea [19:38] maybe he can start a blog [19:38] :D [19:38] cool dude [19:38] finally I can help :D [19:39] Boy asks, "Granny, have you seen my pills, they're marked LSD". Granny replies, "F*ck the pills, have u seen the dragon in the kitchen?!" [19:40] hahaha [19:41] dude, do you still want to make that conference fossdAm or fosscon? [19:41] we can make a use of it to start an ngo [19:41] woohoo 2 helghareeb helghareeb_ cool :D [19:43] ashams & seiflotfy I was thinking that we are the only team that we have lovers XD but I think that you have lovers too :p :p XD [19:44] ashams: why do we need an ngo [19:44] ? [19:44] elacheche_anis, coll sweetie :P [19:44] seiflotfy, it's hard to collect donations [19:44] we're not legal entity [19:44] ashams: uhm u dont want donations [19:44] u want events that get payed for you [19:44] :D [19:44] exactly [19:45] that's what I was thinking about [19:45] so no neeed for ngo [19:45] if we do fosdam we dont need to be an entity [19:45] seiflotfy, no, dude we need donations [19:45] we get in contact with a uni who will donate us space [19:45] donate us space [19:46] so what about cds [19:46] stickers [19:46] t-shirts [19:46] this is ubuntu related [19:46] not fosdam [19:46] aha [19:46] that what I was asking about [19:46] is ubuntu related to fossdam [19:46] i dont think there are any ubuntu ngos [19:46] but clearly not [19:47] yes, there's none [19:47] fosdam (one s) [19:47] fosdam should allow all open source [19:47] and not only encourage ubuntu [19:47] so we want mozilla ppl [19:47] we want gnome ppl [19:47] kde [19:47] not only ubuntu related stuff [19:47] yes, and that ngo not necessarily ubuntu [19:48] maybe a branch of FSF [19:48] for egypt [19:48] not only for ubuntu ofcourse [19:48] hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm fsf and osi not the same thing [19:48] imho opinion no need for an ngo [19:49] what will we do with the money [19:49] get ubutu-shirts [19:49] not the ngos repsonsibility [19:49] the ngo could donate to ubuntu-eg [19:49] no, it's illegal [19:49] self-fund or no money [19:50] and self-fund is scarse [19:50] scarce [19:50] an egyptian ngo cant donate to ubuntu-eg [19:50] ? [19:50] not enough money [19:50] yes, it can't [19:50] wtf [19:50] who came up with this rule [19:50] ? [19:50] we have no identity at all [19:50] it's illegal dude [19:50] I hate egyptian law [19:51] ashams: yeah but it could donate the shirt [19:51] as in print the shirts and send the mto ppl who request it [19:51] they usually print their logo biger than ubuntu-eg's [19:51] bigger* [19:52] on the same shirt [19:52] :) [19:52] yeah i can take care of that [19:52] :D [19:53] so, the idea is to make some hub to collect funds to help all FL/OSS movements in egypt [19:53] :-) [19:54] having floss movement depend on funds at an early stage is dangerous [19:54] first we need better functioning communities and deployments [19:54] then we get money to try to maintain the deployments [19:54] we almost have this in ubuntu eg [19:55] right [19:55] getting money to expand is dangeoures in the sense that it makes expansion dependant on funds [19:55] which shouldnt be [19:55] this would lead the equation of no funds == no expansion [19:56] first thign we need is to teach ppl to use irc [19:56] :D [19:56] haha :D [19:56] but having a central hub for FOSS in egypt does make sense though [19:56] why so? [19:57] such an entity can represent at confernces [19:57] man, finance is our only problem [19:57] how you think we can fix it? [19:58] be part of ubuntu and gnome [19:58] this will fix it for you [19:58] we are already [19:58] as part of ubutnu and gnome i get my shirts and shit payed for [19:58] but yes i agree [19:58] u r right [19:58] an entitiy is a good idea [19:59] as long as it sperates itself from ubuntu-eg and others in terms of interest [19:59] the step-council is about to launch the new structure, so it seemed that ubutnu-eg have reached some good status to get funds [19:59] and work on the local education on open source [19:59] yeah [19:59] that's it [19:59] ppl graduate form schools with no thing [19:59] if you guys want shirt tell me how much it will cose [19:59] lamers [19:59] cost [19:59] i will look into getting canonical pay them for you guys [20:00] seriously? [20:00] that would be cool [20:00] but, I think we need to focus on an ngo more [20:00] to fix it forever [20:01] ashams: it wont fix it forever [20:01] right now u want money for ubuntu-shirts and ubutnu-eg related thing [20:02] then lets get ubuntu to sponsor it for us [20:02] aha [20:02] ashams: the entity itself will not represent ubuntu-eg [20:03] entity being the ngo [20:03] and about future....? we'll need more soon, ppl join everyday and we'll ned more and more [20:03] need* [20:03] it's continuous work [20:03] ashams: getting shirts is not really something we need to be concerned of [20:03] there are bigger issues [20:03] education [20:04] aha [20:04] what does a shirt say about some1 [20:04] i have a mozilla shirt [20:04] doesnt make me a mozilla guy [20:04] i have a kde shirt too [20:04] it's important for expansion [20:04] no its not [20:04] to get ppl know about it [20:05] important for expansion is goign to events and talking [20:05] events need money too [20:05] going to universities and actually formatting pcs to use ubuntu :P [20:05] ashams: eventy dont need money [20:05] ashams: events need ppl to donate their time [20:05] and space [20:06] ashams: you shouldnt go ask an uni if you can rent its rooms for ubuntu-eg stuff [20:06] look for the unis that will donate the rooms for you [20:06] and make u not pay [20:06] avoid money transaction [20:06] manoura university ets ~2000 for one conf room :( [20:06] gets* [20:06] one day [20:06] then fuck them [20:06] horible [20:07] so we need money [20:07] i can talk to CAiro Uni [20:07] no u dont [20:07] and self-fund can't take it [20:07] ashams: wanna bet that i can get a uni to donate rooms for us [20:07] without us having to pay anything [20:07] yes [20:07] yes [20:07] because i started talking to cairo uni [20:07] :D [20:08] for fossdam? [20:08] its fosdam [20:08] one s [20:08] abotu the idea of a open source conf [20:08] haha ok [20:08] talked to some professorts there [20:08] yes [20:09] so if a uni wants you to pay them money to give a talk about something non profit then feel free to tell them to go fuck themselves [20:09] find unis that wont ask for money [20:09] :D [20:10] cool, will try to [20:10] ok i gtg [20:10] need to get some stuff done here [20:10] :D [20:10] ok bye dude [20:10] ttyl [20:10] bye