[00:42] http://i.imgur.com/WVWxZ.png :D === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger === opt1mu5 is now known as opt1mus [08:06] Woo [08:06] * MartijnVdS soldered a serial console onto a router [08:07] (and I'm now poking it usuing the Arduino USB<->serial board, aka FTDI Breakout) [08:10] .. aaaand debricked \o/ [09:04] morning all [09:18] morning MooDoo [09:21] how are you? [09:33] fine, just fixed an old WRT54GS router by soldering a serial port to it :) [09:34] + poking at its serial console [09:44] MartijnVdS: good fun for a sunday [09:44] yeah, apparently this is one of the most hackable routers [09:47] http://www.allaboutjake.com/network/linksys/wrt54g/hack/ [09:48] morning all [09:48] \o AlanBell [09:50] hi AlanBell [10:18] morning === popey_ is now known as popey [10:23] thats better [10:24] morning popey [10:49] good morning everyone. [10:50] mroning [10:51] morning MooDoo [10:53] * brobostigon notices vlc 2.0 in updates. [10:57] *shock* ;) [10:58] last version i noticed, was 1.1.*, so a pretty big version jump. [10:59] oo yeah [12:07] [Gareth France] Tottenham Court Road 18th February 2012 - http://cliftonts.co.uk/cubuntu/?p=93 [12:09] Hi peeps :) [12:09] This is at least 20 quid cheaper than other sellers, do I trust this and buy? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Battery-Dell-Studio-1535-1536-1537-1555-1557-1558-PP33L-PP39L-7200mAh-9-Cell-/280754646502#vi-content [12:10] http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/power_biz/ [12:10] i have bought from them, trustworthy [12:12] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/9-Cell-Battery-Dell-Studio-1535-1536-1537-WU946-NEW-/400237906541?pt=UK_Computing_LaptopsAccessories_LaptopBatteries&hash=item5d3009ca6d [12:12] lolprice [12:15] Yeah [12:15] And that's 6600mAh. My link is for 7200mAh [12:16] It's a little confusing [12:21] * bigcalm[lappy] plunges the take [12:28] yum... bacon & egg sandwich for [late] brekkie - with just the right amonts of toomy sauce & mustard mixed [12:28] * SuperEngineer noms === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [12:43] * bigcalm[lappy] scoffs his superbly prepared pot noodle [12:43] mmmm... that's better -belly now silenced, so - hi y'all o/ [13:00] Good Afternoon UK! [13:00] hullo [13:00] It's been awhile since I've listened to the podcast but I've got to say I like it a lot. [13:00] The tutorial on ardour was great too. [13:00] hi Ruby [13:01] I'm a big ubuntu fan. :) [13:01] I hope I can get even better in the future. Ubuntu UK community is really good. [13:01] yes it is :D [13:02] I've started my own podcast using Ubuntu thanks to all the helpful people. [13:04] So, what's new? [13:05] 12.04 is new \o/ [13:05] lol Great! [13:05] :) [13:05] that's not released yet :p [13:05] moo [13:05] I hope the search feature is fixed [13:07] feature freeze was this past week, that's new :) [13:09] Ruby: do you have any idea what your hook is going to be about why people should listen to your podcast rather than or along with the others that are out there? [13:11] ooh, make it 50% ubuntu 50% something else [13:11] like... cooking! or rock climbing tips! [13:14] haha great idea [13:14] i get all my cooking advice from pc hardware forums. [13:17] I think it's hard to do a podcast just on Ubuntu [13:17] :) [13:17] I've got a podcast to help people learn English. [13:17] help Russians to be specific. [13:18] Pendulum, do you listen to the Ubuntu UK podcast? [13:18] yes [13:18] I need help. [13:18] ;s [13:18] what's the problem matti? [13:18] With English :) [13:19] LOL [13:19] what's the problem? [13:19] I guess you aren't from the UK then eh? [13:19] No. [13:19] I mean, I do live here [13:19] oh ok [13:19] where are you from? [13:21] Ruby: From a country in central Europe that English people blame for everything nowadays :) [13:21] Ruby: I guess, I am OK with the language. [13:21] hmmmmm [13:21] matti: what scotland? [13:21] I'm sure you're great! [13:21] ;) lol [13:21] MooDoo: HAHHAHA [13:21] LOL HAHAH [13:21] MooDoo: +1 [13:22] MooDoo: Made my day ;] [13:22] You are from Greece maybe? That's not exactly central but hey lol [13:22] Ruby: No, form Poland. [13:22] ah ok. [13:22] I live in Russia now. [13:22] from* [13:22] Ruby: :) [13:22] * matti is learning Japanese right now. [13:22] A lot of fun. [13:22] Yeah, sounds like it. Learning it because of the girls, right? :) [13:22] ich ne san she etc yadda yadda yadda [13:23] matti: my brother moved to Poland (from Scotland) in September :) [13:23] Pendulum: Did he? Impressive. [13:23] Pendulum: Whereabouts [13:23] ? [13:23] * penguin42 tries to imagine Polish spoken in a deep scottish accent [13:24] Warsaw. His UK visa was up and he couldn't find a job that would help him get a new one and his girlfriend is Polish so that's where they went. [13:24] Polish girls are cute for sure. [13:24] He's now teaching English there as it's much easier to get a visa or work permit in Poland than the UK [13:24] I can't stand girls from back home (BIG and UGLY) :) lol [13:24] (I'm American) [13:25] afternoonings matti :) [13:25] MooDoo: ichi, ni, san, yon (shi is an equivalent, but used in different ways). [13:25] matti: i know :) i can count to 10 :p [13:25] prevyet ribyata. Who said westerners don't speak foreign languages, see? [13:26] Americans don't particularly have the prejudice against Poles so it wasn't a huge deal for him. That said, I think it was a definite sign of love that _she_ was willing to move back to Poland for him ;-) [13:26] MooDoo: 11 is simple. jyuuichi. [13:26] matti: you only need up to 10 in karate ;) lol [13:26] MooDoo: 20 - nijyuu. [13:26] MooDoo: LOL [13:26] MooDoo: Haha [13:27] MooDoo: Actually, there are special shouts and phrases that Dojo can have in Japanese ;] [13:27] MooDoo: As your sensei about it ;] [13:27] * AlanBell just found an Ubuntu 6.06 CD [13:27] AlanBell: Wooo... [13:27] matti: i was the sensei about 8 years ago ;) lol [13:27] AlanBell: retro :P [13:27] MooDoo: Oh ;p [13:27] AlanBell: Do the chickens like it? [13:27] Hi brobostigon [13:28] matti: it's a hard language but i'd love to learn it, just so i can watch anime properly lol [13:28] Pendulum: Really? Need for visa for English? [13:28] MooDoo: Kanji tends to be a pain. [13:28] matti: if you're an American who wants to stay more than 6 months, yes. [13:28] MooDoo: I can read Kana without a problem. [13:28] Pendulum: An. [13:28] Ah* [13:29] I've missed: "I'm American" [13:29] :) [13:29] Pendulum: I do think, that American girls are nice. Very friendly. And some of them have cute accents. [13:29] No Pendulum American girls are fat and ugly [13:29] tbh, with what the US requires Poles to do to get into the US, I'm surprised that Poland doesn't require the same for Americans. [13:29] they look like men, dress like men, and want to work the same jobs as men. [13:30] generally they do [13:30] most companies have reciprocal arrangements for abusive immigration policies [13:30] Ruby: I'm not sure I'm the person you want to say that to. [13:30] When I talk to American girls I feel like I'm talking to men. [13:30] Not all girls* Pendulum. [13:30] I'm American too btw. [13:30] ;-) [13:30] Ruby: i'm sorry ;) lol [13:30] Why should girls talk any different from guys. [13:30] Exactly [13:30] Pendulum: No idea ;] [13:30] Feminism has destroyed women. [13:31] Pendulum: I have B1/B2 business visa for 10 years ;d [13:31] No difference between men and women and thus.... [13:31] Ruby: I'm female. [13:31] I don't mean the way they talk but act, dress, etc. :) [13:31] Pendulum: I am in love BTW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpuHSA_C43s [13:31] Pendulum. Not all women. I'm sure you're lovely!!! [13:31] Pendulum: And she has cute accent ;] [13:32] But, I only melt on the inside when an English girl has cute posh English accent. [13:32] So sexy... ;] [13:32] Ruby: you can't have it either way. Either American girls are horrid or we're a mix of horrid and good, just like guys. [13:32] bah, can't have it both ways [13:33] Go Europe ;p [13:33] \o/ [13:33] anyway, I'm going to go away before I say or do something that I will regret later. [13:33] Pendulum. Come to Russia. I'll take you on a tour [13:33] MooDoo: Start lessons ;] [13:33] :) [13:34] Ruby: Moscow is nice :) [13:34] Yeah. Nice and cold. [13:34] lol [13:34] Slavic women are great! [13:34] God save the queen and slavic women. haha [13:34] can we dispense with the gender discussions please [13:34] ;p [13:34] Yes. [13:34] Sorry [13:35] Back to my podcast. [13:35] lets talk about ubuntu or something :) [13:35] I believe Alan did that tutorial on ardour thank you very much [13:35] Ruby: you never told us the url? [13:35] I am an English teacher in need of help [13:35] Over here in Russia, they make students learn very strict grammar rules which I often think native speakers don't really carefully follow. I'm conducting an experiment and would be very happy if someone could take part in it. I'm looking for native British speakers. I've already asked a bunch of Americans. [13:35] Ruby: that would be popey [13:35] oh ok [13:35] If he has a paypal account, I'd send him 15 dollars. [13:36] AlanBell: I imagine that talking about Ubuntu whole day is rather tad boring. [13:36] AlanBell: And "community" is about people. [13:36] AlanBell: Other than that I do see your point. [13:36] I love Ubuntu and can almost talk about it all day. As long as unity doesn't come up [13:37] indeed, but we don't need to throw around great big generalisations that are bound to make someone uncomfortable [13:37] If you want to look at generalizations and stereotypes which can be true. Check out my podcast [13:37] Go to youtube and type Rad Radio Western vs Russian women. [13:37] so where is your podcast? [13:38] you have a podcast on that?? [13:38] i was like you guys until I came to Russia [13:38] I love America and I love the UK [13:38] but I needed work and moved. [13:38] !ru [13:38] Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke. [13:38] seen that channel too? [13:38] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-PK3wPhA2A [13:38] I need help [13:38] Oh nice .ru channel ;] [13:38] Yes. [13:39] Я не здесь ради русского [13:39] I'm not here for Russian. [13:40] I'm here because there is no linguist UK IRC channel and so I thought to ask people who share some common interests with me and might help out. [13:40] good stuff, there is also #ubuntu-uk-podcast which is the channel of the podcast [13:43] * SuperEngineer checks AlanBell 's grammar bending ;) [13:43] Ok, well if anyone could help I'd be appreciative. [13:43] http://www.filedropper.com/exercises [13:44] flexible grammer betters language [13:44] Tell that to Russians that love correctness. [13:44] s/that/who/ [13:44] sorry guys I updated my system this morning, and now flash doesn't work. googled workarounds and nothing is working [13:45] what exactly is your flash problem? [13:45] has anyone else got the same issue, or solved it. I even tried the latest flash 11 [13:45] Yes, I've had a similar problem before. [13:45] Are you 64bit or 32? [13:45] Ruby once installed, you tube works partially, everything else with flash complains that there is no flash installed.. 32 bit [13:45] what version of ubuntu [13:46] I've had a problem with flash before on firefox. Let me see if I can find the site that helped me. [13:46] it's not even working on chrome! [13:47] Yes, not surprising. [13:47] I believe what had happened to me is that somehow a free linux opensource version of flash was installed. [13:47] let me see if I can find that site. [13:48] What version of Ubuntu do you have? [13:49] oneiric [13:52] interestic to note that despite the s/w centre saying it's installed the files are not in /user/lib or /lib [13:52] it's like a fake installation! [13:52] okay is there a way to undo the last system update? [13:53] I don't remember what exactly I did. I remember that for some reason there was a plugin installed in firefox for a free version of flash (NOT ADOBE). I removed that and made sure that gnash and swfdec-mozilla was uninstalled. [13:54] I'm not sure how to help you but I don't have any problems with flash right now. [13:54] Well this channel has fallen silent. I guess no one is going to help me either. :) [13:56] okay, I will be back on this later [13:56] gotta get to the opticians [13:56] I have already spent 90 minutes on this, if all else fails, time to back up ad upgrade (again) [13:57] try looking at what I told you [13:57] soemthing is causing a conflict most likely [13:57] for some reason once I had firefox trying to use an open source version of flash [13:58] The reason why youtube is working is probably because youtube might have a html5 code in case flash fails or it's possible that open source flash works on youtube. [13:58] it won't run anything else though like the BBC [13:59] Can anyone recommend me an IRC channel where I can ask some British people a language question? [13:59] I need native British speakers. [13:59] Ruby there is no firefox conflict [14:00] I checked [14:00] thanx be back later [14:05] I've been having to use the workaround for bug #868034 in 11.10 - I want to put http://paste.ubuntu.com/848575/ into a laucher [assuming no fix in time for for 12.04] . Safe? If so, how? [14:05] Launchpad bug 868034 in modemmanager (Ubuntu) "Huawei E220 and E1550 can't connect on Ubuntu 11.10" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/868034 === daubers_ is now known as daubers [14:11] why would you assume no fix in time for 12.04? [14:14] ah, ok, not as simple as it sounds [14:14] still, might get in [14:15] Hello [14:15] SuperEngineer: ok, so to get an icon on the launcher you need to create a .desktop file for it [14:16] AlanBell: not an assumption but a lack of real ability to test - as in it worked on 11.10 beta, it worked on 11.10 run as live cd - it even worked after 11.10 installed [but just the once]. Then complete fail eversince [14:16] AlanBell: cool... I assume it would pop a terminal and ask for pwd first? [14:17] [assume/hope] [14:17] use gksudo [14:18] - wooo - you brilliant man, you! [14:18] * SuperEngineer slaps wrist for forgetting gk! [14:19] why don't we have a GUI for creating .desktop files I wonder [14:19] +1 [14:19] [coz noone else has suggested / asked for?] [14:20] you can put them in ~/.local/share/applications [14:20] if you want them for one user only [14:22] http://developer.gnome.org/integration-guide/stable/desktop-files.html.en [14:24] good idea - I'm the only one on *this* pooter, seems like a ["normalised"] place to do so [14:24] it is one of those things I could probably do, but can't be bothered to do because it really should be done in unity with a right click on an empty part of the launcher [14:25] AlanBell: *most definitely* +1 [14:26] so we wait for the design team to come up with the idea I guess [14:27] well could mail the unity-design list I guess, no harm in that [14:28] hmmmmmmmm [14:29] * SuperEngineer tasks/begs AlanBell as he has far superior "clout" [14:30] [not detracting from my own super powers, of course ;) [14:30] lo [14:36] anyone know how to use busybox version 1.13.3, it's tar program to exclude files? [14:37] SuperEngineer: https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg07920.html I have no clout [14:37] i can see in the manual exclude is available but i can't use it as tar -xvf abc.tar -exclude 'home/abc/*' -C /target [14:37] it kept give error message saying it don't support it [14:38] cocoa117: long options are normally --long_option="\mypath\tofile" [14:38] bbl - switching to 11.04 to try the above [14:39] TheOpenSourcerer: i have also tried --exclude, it shows the same error message [14:39] without any spaces and with a "=" too? [14:40] busybox tar might be a bit limited [14:40] AlanBell, so tar in busybox won't do any exclude at all? [14:41] cocoa117: in case it wasn't apparent, not that TheOpenSourcerer wrote that with 2 dashes. --exclude, not -exclude [14:42] To exclude a dir in tar in Ubuntu the switch would be --exclude='/my/path/to/exclude" [14:42] AlanBell: Nice idea for the unity launcher .... could be nice to right click and 'Enable/Disable Auto-Hide" aswell? [14:42] moreati, TheOpenSourcerer: i have tried both, --exclude, and -exclude none of them worked [14:43] by the way, the Ubuntu version of tar is different from busybox tar [14:43] The lack of spaces and the "=" are important. This is the "standard" for long options. For short options it would typically be something like -x path, but of cousr -x is used elsewhere in tar ;-) [14:45] cocoa117: that's true of most desktop distributions vs most embedded distributions/Android [14:46] moreati, so how do you do tar exclude files in busybox? [14:46] cocoa117: most desktop distros use GNU coreutils and Bash. Busybox is an independent project that combines a shell and some commands [14:46] or it can't be done with the version i have [14:46] cocoa117: I don't, never had the need [14:47] http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2003-December/044410.html [14:47] cocoa117: Google? Try -X and a file with the exclude options listed in it. [14:48] Although note that is from 2003 so treat it with a pinch of salt. But worth a try. [14:48] TheOpenSourcerer: oh well, i guess 1.13.3 has bug then [14:49] i have tried -X and didn't do anything [14:49] afternoon all [14:50] i guess i just have to use Ubuntu liveCD for restore purpose [14:50] cocoa117: what is the exact command line you're trying? [14:50] busybox commands are extremely cut down [14:50] popey: Afternoon :) [14:50] it probably can't do what you want [14:51] ali1234, i guess you are right, liveCD is my next stop [14:51] http://busybox.net/downloads/BusyBox.html says the tar command has -X and --exclude [14:52] but strangley it lists the options for tar without a - or -- prefix, whereas the others are listed with a prefix [14:53] moreati, yes i have read that too, and i even checked with manual that match my busybox version number, 1.13.3, but when actually trying it, it doesn't work [14:53] check the source [14:53] both -X and --exclude don't work [14:54] never mind, guys, i just use liveCD [14:54] -X wants a file containing the list of files to exclude [14:54] cocoa117: did you note that the argument to 'exclude' is a file to be excluded, whereas the argument to 'X' is a file _containing_ files to be excluded [14:55] just obtain a static tar and use that [14:55] that's what i do when encountering busybox fail [14:55] moreati, ennnn, good point, and no i didn't [14:56] cocoa117: Also I note early that you used -exclude 'home/abc/*' [14:56] "X File with names to exclude", ok so i have to give a file with content of folder to be excluded [14:56] cocoa117: single quotes prevent wildcard expansion, at least in bash [14:57] moreati, so what should i use in the busybox environment [14:57] obvioursly it's not bash [14:57] you don't want the wildcard to be expanded there [14:58] tar -xvf /mnt/abc.tar -exclude home/abc/* -C /target [14:58] how about this [14:58] mv home/abc home/foobarbackup [14:58] (untar) [14:58] rm -rf home/abc [14:58] mv home/foobarbackup home/abc [15:43] * popey points AlanBell at bug 705007 [15:43] Launchpad bug 705007 in unity (Ubuntu) "Unity has no method to maintain properties of launchers" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/705007 [15:57] nice; 1st for the year - can't see my screen due to sunlight [15:58] popey: ah, knew there was one somewhere, but nice to discuss on the list too [15:58] !info alacarte [15:58] alacarte (source: alacarte): easy GNOME menu editing tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.13.2-2ubuntu3 (oneiric), package size 52 kB, installed size 348 kB [16:53] Afternoon peeps :) [16:54] lo [17:09] \o [17:12] o/ [17:22] MartijnVdS: how is the borked router? [17:40] jacobw: it works now [17:40] jacobw: soldered serial pins to it, it had a serial console [17:41] ah, great ;) [17:41] i keep getting a ; when i want a : [17:57] hi [18:08] * daubers smells like burnt plywood [18:17] laser cut? [18:18] yup [18:18] flash complains that there is no flash installed.. 32 bit, the software centre clearly has it ticked as working. there is nothing about a flash player Or gnash on the about plugins page.... anyone? [18:19] I was desperate enough to try and convert the rpm version, which came back with an error at installation. am blue! [18:19] safiyyah: Which browser are you using? [18:19] i have both firefox and chrome [18:20] does flash appear on the about:plugins in firefox? [18:20] they both issue the same message upon trying flash playback, and no flash is listed in the about:plugins on either of them [18:20] it is clearly installed thought [18:20] though* [18:21] which flash plugin have you got installed? [18:21] it was working perfectly until the system update this morning [18:22] flash version is 11.1.102 or atleast that is what it says on the adobe page and the downloaded driver [18:23] On the s/w centre it says flash plugin 10 and then below that it says version 11 [18:25] i have 'Adobe Flash plug-in' installed rather than 'Adobe Flash Plugin 10' [18:25] but i came as part of the ubuntu-restricted-extras [18:25] okay [18:25] let me purge then [18:28] does anyone know of a cd ripper that doesn't suck with multidisk albums? [18:28] i.e. not sound-juicer [18:38] ahayzen, thank you... got it going [18:38] yeiiiiiii [18:38] have a good evening all [18:38] safiyyah: Yey ... what was the issue in the end? [18:39] I think the update I installed today conflicted with flash 10 and flash 11 [18:39] ok [18:39] going to finish these canerows on little princess' hair and add beads, waiting for dinner in the oven [18:39] have a good evening all thank you [18:40] How do you access the cups server on a remote machine? 18:38 < Safiyyah> yeiiiiiii [18:40] 18:38 < Safiyyah> have a good evening all [18:40] 18:38 < ahayzen> safiyyah: Yey ... what was the issue in the end? [18:40] * bigcalm[lappy] kippers DJones [18:41] rrs [18:41] Grr even [18:41] DJones: have a look at port 9100 (iirc) [18:41] Possibly not though :) [18:42] Is cups running a web service? [18:42] Is it set to allow access outside of localhost? [18:42] DJones, I muddle through all cups issues thank god for the detailed brother linux website, I would be done for [18:43] bigcalm[lappy]: I've tried http://x.x.x.x:631 with no sucess, told cupsd.conf to add listen x.x.x.x:631" [18:43] 631 seems to be the default port [18:43] Restart cupsd after the change? [18:43] Added my username to the lpadmin group, but just get a Forbidden message via the web [18:43] Can you access it from localhost? [18:43] yep, restarted [18:44] Not tried from localhost [18:44] w3m, links2, lynx, etc [18:45] 9100 is the port for JetDirect on HP printers. This is what had me confused :) [18:48] Hmmh, can access it via localhost:631 but not by ip address [18:50] Progress :) [18:51] Who needs whipping to fix bug 804662? [18:51] Launchpad bug 804662 in jockey (Ubuntu) "jockey-gtk crashed with TypeError in _execute_child(): execv() arg 2 must contain only strings" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/804662 [18:52] Because it's not fixed for me :) [18:53] bigcalm[lappy]: Fixed, Had to tick the allow remote administration box on the machine itself before I could connect via ip address from another machine [18:53] Ah [18:54] Well done that man :) [18:54] brb restart [18:56] Install an SSD so that you can reboot quickly ;) [19:00] Or just never reboot [19:01] That's not really an option when playing with 12.04 :) [19:01] I wish minecraft worked [19:02] I've only got 12.04 in a vm, so not the best place to try minecraft [19:03]