[00:21]  * JackyAlcine rolls in.
[04:37] <xiong> Hi, I'm not looking to start a debate but I'm searching for a way to disable Unity completely in favor of GNOME 2. I get many conflicting hits when searching.
[04:50] <kklimonda> xiong: we don't ship gnome2 anymore
[04:50] <kklimonda> xiong: you'd have to install MATE from some repository
[04:50] <xiong> kklimonda, Understood. For that matter, the GNOME people aren't shipping GNOME 2 anymore.
[04:51] <kklimonda> (MATE is a fork of GNOME 2)
[04:51] <xiong> I don't think I'll have trouble either installing MATE or disabling Unity. But I've learned humility and the wisdom of asking around.
[04:52] <kklimonda> disabling unity isn't hard, but I don't know how stable are MATE packages - the amount of work to fork G2 is astounding
[04:55] <xiong> Well, here I am between a rock and a hard place. If I'm going to jump hard, it's likely to be in favor of straight Debian running Xfce. I don't want to do anything rash.
[04:56] <xiong> erm...
[04:56] <xiong> Well, here I am between a rock and a hard place. If I'm going to jump hard,...
[04:57] <xiong> I'm going to try Unity but I'd like to cover my exit. I hope that's not offensive.
[05:00] <kklimonda> xfce seems like the best option if you want... experience similar to what you had with gnome 2
[05:01] <kklimonda> (I don
[05:01] <kklimonda> I don't give MATE more than 12 months before developers decide it's not worth it
[05:01] <kklimonda> the amount of work to be done is just too big to keep it going
[05:02] <kklimonda> so if you really want experience similar to gnome2 then Xfce seems like the best option
[05:02] <kklimonda> although I'd still give Unity a try, at least few weeks of using it every day
[05:02] <kklimonda> it may surprise you
[05:04] <xiong> I need more hardware. I have an older version of Ubuntu running and I'm bringing up a new machine to replace the older one. I should have two or three new machines so I can compare distros and working styles.
[05:05] <xiong> My fear is having to stick with the old machine for a long time while I fool around with the new one. Which will happen anyway.
[05:20] <xiong> Thanks for your comments, kklimonda. I'm downloading and it'll be awhile; so I'm headed out the door.
[05:53] <snadge> someone with some kind of authority/convincing powers pls make the case for adding dodge active windows back ;)
[05:53] <snadge> at least as a ccsm option
[05:54] <snadge> i dont care if the default is to always show the dock.. thats fine
[05:54] <snadge> but autohide kind of sucks
[11:05] <kklimonda> hmm, some of my apps are disappearing from alt-tab even when not minimalized - is there a bug about it?
[18:39] <Andy80> tomorrow is the beta1 day?
[18:50] <krnekhelesh> hello everyone
[18:50] <krnekhelesh> may I ask how do you sign up for the ayatana mailing list?
[18:51] <krnekhelesh> I tried finding links on launchpad page for ayatana but couldn't
[19:40] <Andy80> krnekhelesh: just a moment and I tell you
[19:40] <Andy80> krnekhelesh: the ML has been renamed to unity-devel or something similar wait...
[19:41] <Andy80> krnekhelesh: https://launchpad.net/~unity-dev
[19:53] <krnekhelesh> Andy80: ty
[21:42] <Andy80> just installed 12.04 on my Asus 1215P. uhm.... is it a known bug that when yoou are in the desktop and you go on the menu that appears on top and you try to click nothing happens?
[21:53] <mhall119> Andy80: I've not experienced that before
[21:54] <Andy80> and there is also a bad designed part
[21:54] <Andy80> in the top-left
[21:54] <Andy80> the X button is bad designed
[21:57] <Andy80> I'll provide some screenshots
[22:13] <mhall119> Andy80: please provide some mockups of what you think would be better
[22:14] <ppd> hi. maybe someone can clarify this. I'm testing precise and thus the latest unity on my multi monitor setup. Whenever I fullscreen an app, everything works nicely. However if that window looses focus, the launcher and panel reappear over the window. Is this the intended behaviour? I'm asking because the "normal" case of a fullscreen window for e.g  a movie player works just fine
[22:14] <Andy80> mhall119: I'm twitting the image right now, I'll give yuu the link
[22:15] <Andy80> mhall119: here you have https://twitter.com/#!/andreagrandi/status/171357025547198464/photo/1
[22:15] <Andy80> mhall119: as you can see the X button in the top-left is not well designed, it's clearly a regression
[22:16] <Andy80> maybe I could know why.... let me give a try... wait..
[22:18] <Andy80> uhm.... no, no success.. since I'm using an icon size of 36 I tried resetting to 48 but I still have the same problem
[22:20] <mhall119> Andy80: file a bug on Launchpad and attach your image so the Unity developers will see it tomorrow
[22:21] <mhall119> Andy80: what exactly is wrong with the close button?
[22:21] <Andy80> mhall119: uhm.... can't you see it, really?
[22:22] <Andy80> the orange circle of the X window button
[22:22] <Andy80> is not a circle
[22:22] <Andy80> it has at least 3 or 4 pixel in the left side more
[22:22] <Andy80> maybe I should enlarge the image...
[22:22] <mhall119> Andy80: ok, I wasn't sure if that was a jpg compression artifact or what you actually saw
[22:23] <mhall119> FWIW, I don't see that on mine, so it's not the way it should look
[22:23] <Andy80> if you zoom the pic you can see it
[22:23] <mhall119> yeah, I see it now
[22:27] <Andy80> just a note: it's not a clean installation, I upgraded from 11.10, but I had installed 11.10 few days ago, I didn't customize anything except setting the icon size to 36 and keeping the Launcher always visible
[22:28] <Andy80> how is the correct name for a similar bug? "UI glitch" ?
[22:30] <Andy80> mmm.... I see the more texts have the same problem
[22:30] <Andy80> for example pressing "Super" key, and showing the help, every word is "bolded" in the left part of the first character