[07:12] morning guys [09:36] well hello kbmonkey 2 days inna row [09:36] hi all [09:38] well hello Kilos [09:38] hi Kilos [09:39] hi kbmonkey [09:39] hi all [09:39] and psydroid [09:39] who here uses irssi? [09:40] I use irssi on my computers [09:40] do you use some notifier on mentions psydroid ? [09:41] I call notify-send, but would like something else [09:41] kbmonkey, not really apart from seeing that I've been highlighted in some channel [09:42] okay :) [09:42] hi psydroid [09:43] * Kilos learning [09:43] it should then help if I change my irssi colors to match [09:43] that's one of the reasons I like irssi, it's pretty non-intrusive and just runs in a terminal window on my desktop [09:44] maybe, but I've never used notify-help or anything, I don't even know what it is [09:45] when I work I minimize the client. Sometimes it's useful to get a popup if someone says my name [09:46] ya [09:46] popups work lekker [09:46] but they're not persistent. [09:46] i get them from xchat and pidgin [10:28] aw i got no man command [10:40] hi superfly [10:40] didnt see you [11:08] hi Kilos [12:30] Maaz: tell Kilos I will try but might not make it sadly [12:30] drubin: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode [13:33] hi drubin is it work keeping you so busy [13:33] or are you love struck [13:33] hmm who to ask [13:34] what will this command do if one is in the folder with a copy of ones archives [13:34] /dpkg -i *.deb/ [13:35] sigh without spaces it interacts with dreenode [13:35] freenode too [13:35] hi [13:35] hiya kbmonkey [13:36] you think that will install all debs [13:36] the -i i see makes it interactive but what will the rest do [13:36] -i installs? [13:36] i dunno, was given it in a mail [13:36] dpkg --help [13:36] i know thats the package manager [13:37] i was wondering if that command would tell it to install everything in that folder [13:38] lol [13:38] i thought cli/terminal opened on its own , didnt know it can open in an actual folder [13:38] dont lol man [13:38] all of this is scrambling my brain [13:39] been through sec 102 ans 104 and got really scrambled [13:39] will need to go through 10 times [13:43] what do you mean, 'opened on its own'? [13:43] dpkg --help will tell you what the -i means. its a synonym for --install [13:44] as apart from what you looking at because if i open a cache i get a window and then terminal opens another one [13:46] ok and that * means all files doesnt it [13:46] so everything*.deb? [13:47] or must you still do one at a time [13:49] hello? [13:49] lol [13:49] ha ha ha [13:50] ah online. okay.net is wonky. [13:50] *is a wildcard [13:50] dunno what that means kbmonkey [13:50] it replaces words, of any length or characters [13:50] in dos *.* was all files and folders [13:51] yes, same thing :) [13:51] so that command will install everything? [13:51] too good to be true [13:53] surely it wont install that whole 2g folder [13:53] indeed it will [13:54] wow [13:54] * Kilos respect for linux trebles [13:54] ha ha [13:59] ok one more, just to be sure, external showing perfectly now again, is it wise to run fsck -f /dev/sdb1 just to see if there is any error [14:00] sure, i think you have to unmount the external first though [14:00] im not sure [14:00] at least nico is happy again [14:01] ya must umount in cli [14:01] cant do it from gui [14:01] hi dLimit [14:01] unmount is unmount, from gui or cli [14:01] it warns you if you dont umount you WILL cause damage [14:02] no man [14:02] remember in linux, the gui runs on top of everything. unlike windows. so anything you do in gui, you can do in cli, and more ;D [14:02] fsck is for ext filesystem types [14:02] when i plugin ext it shows the drive and right click says safely remove no unmount [14:03] there is no unmount [14:03] umount /media/[tab-complete-your-disk] [14:03] sudo umount /media/backup works though [14:03] you have mastered it Kilos. my work here is done [14:03] ha ha ha [14:04] i drive you mad hey. keep you from other work [14:04] im grateful for every bit of help my friend [14:05] i go do a clean install on 6g and check that command [14:05] be good [14:05] later all [14:06] hehe [15:25] afternoon all [15:25] good afternoon [15:27] heya Squirm [15:28] wow is that the time already [15:28] time flies when you resting [15:30] hi Squirm [15:30] and wolf [15:30] why is your name in captial letters WOLFEYES ? [15:32] because I have always had it like that. It isn't shouting because I am not talking my name. I keep it that way for every place I chat in kbmonkey. [15:33] okay :) [15:34] do you or have you used accounting software like pastel or the like? [15:34] I find it funny that some software that requires caps-lock to be on [15:36] some of our programs we use for work links to VIP and pastel and the like, haven't VIP seems more user friendly. [15:36] In certain things in our software caps is put on permanently. [15:37] I am undecided as to use centos or ubuntu-server as my dual o/s for the studies. [15:38] that is weird. I used to build systems for a living, there is no technical reason for caps. [15:38] oh nice... [15:38] When you say build you physically code them? [15:38] ubuntu server is headless, it does not have a X UI by default. CentOS uses Gnome by default [15:39] yes, used to code them [15:39] If I may ask, why did you stop? [15:39] you wont believe how shoddy pastel and quickbooks really are. i fished a good severe bugs out their system. ha ha. [15:40] lol [15:40] it was windows systems. i had enough of windows systems, before it was too late ;) [15:40] We have quickbooks at work. [15:40] ha ha ha [15:40] in war, you have to choose your side, no? ;) [15:40] Hence me wanting to do the course. [15:41] I wanted to do it before I ever told kilo's about it, just never got to a point of being able to do anything. [15:41] when you look at a report in qb, and zoom to 0%, the entire system goes down. no questions asked. boom. [15:42] lol [15:42] * WOLFEYES makes notes [15:42] so you can do related work. good idea. [15:43] I will try it tomorrow if I remember. [15:44] What language do you or did you code in kbmonkey ? [15:48] we used various WOLFEYES [15:48] from c to vb to .net to asp [15:49] * Squirm looks at the last 3 and hides [15:49] lol [15:51] yes, run far far away! ha ha [15:51] :/ [15:51] anyways, off for supper. cheers [15:52] lol [15:52] cheers Squirm === WOLFIE is now known as WOLFEYES [16:17] * WOLFEYES mummbles [16:35] am I still logged in here? [16:35] mmmm [16:35] bbl [17:53] good evening all [18:06] hiya Kilos [18:08] hi the fly [18:19] good evening [18:20] lo inetpro [18:20] do we have an agenda for our meeting tomorrow yet? [18:20] dunno ask kbmonkey [18:23] hmm... [18:23] we should get more organised [18:37] hi inetpro [18:38] any suggestions for our agenda? [18:42] kbmonkey: I started a blank template at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20120220#Agenda [18:43] feel free to modify as you see fit [18:44] thanks [18:45] I guess a we should start thinking about organising Release Parties [18:46] tomorrow I go scout some venues, an ubuntu hour in pmb me thinks [18:47] oh the ubuntu wiki changed [18:48] they removed that meeting section and its a wiki now. [18:48] I approve [18:50] kbmonkey: what changed? [18:50] we've been having it [18:51] see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings [18:52] it had this agenda creation page [18:52] it was a bit cumbersome and buggy [18:52] hmm... I think it's still there as well [18:52] it is? i can't find the 'meetings' link [18:53] not the wiki meeting page, there was a seperate meeting section [18:53] but we've had this wiki page for a long time, much better for organising stuff [18:53] yes, this was there for ever. but there was another page as well [18:53] agreed :) [18:54] oooh, hang on [18:54] its still there, the last one was http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/331/detail/ [18:54] its loco.ubuntu.com [18:54] :p [18:55] yep, that's the one [18:56] I suggest just linking to our meeting page [18:56] on the wiki [18:57] gaarg its so buggy :( [19:00] I guess in keeping to the usual, I made a meeting page on loco [19:00] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/353/detail/ [19:00] * Kilos would like to hear that sound [19:00] I prefer the wiki, but ubuntu uses the loco pages to determine our involvement level [19:01] the loco pages are certainly useful [19:01] adding meeting times does not work with keyboard entyr. lol [19:01] hopefully we have more to show, come re-approval time, than a bunch of meetings in loco.u.c :) [19:02] there should be blog posts about awesome events, new ubuntu members in the team, etc. [19:02] hopefully we don't do what we do, just to stay approved :) [19:03] :] [19:03] i like the wiki because, well it just works :D [19:03] and anybody can update [19:04] surely all ubuntu-za members can create events on loc.u.c ? [19:04] I guess our representatives can add whatever is needed on the official pages [19:04] oh, you talking about the agenda feature? [19:05] it looks like I cn edit anything about the meeting [19:06] btw, someone has been working on awesome new meeting features for the bot. Probably a little while before we get them, though https://code.launchpad.net/~xavier-antoviaque/ibid/meetingagenda-931774/+merge/93247 [19:06] other teams also use the wiki as well as the loco pages, eg, http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california [19:06] yeah, agenda items on the wiki makes more sense to me :) [19:22] kbmonkey: can I add the following under Meeting Info: Our meetings are held for about 90 minutes once a month in our IRC channel, #ubuntu-za on freenode. All interested people are welcome to join us. [19:22] Subscribe to the mailing list to receive meeting announcements [19:22] please inetpro :) [19:22] what should I add there? [19:22] inetpro: you were on the right track [19:22] on top of that from tumbleweed [19:22] use the wiki, we can update the loco page to match [19:23] after the meeting [19:23] or before [19:24] I just want to add some stuffs to make it more more professional [19:24] say, does anyone know, in bash, how I can get the first word in a string? [19:24] especially so one can send a link to somebody who has never been to a meeting [19:25] kbmonkey: cut -f1 [19:25] err -d' ' -f1 [19:25] we usually refer people to ubuntu-za.org, it links to our mailing list and irc [19:25] and the wiki too [19:26] oh yes, cut :P thanks a mil tumbleweed [19:26] or if it's in a variable, you can do echo ${VARIABLENAME% *} [19:26] kbmonkey, tumbleweed: that is not really bash though :-) [19:26] ^ that's bash :) [19:27] ok [19:27] you win [19:27] it's for a shell script [19:27] kbmonkey: that's a bash-only feature, you can't use it if the script is run under sh [19:27] you guys think 90 minutes is enough for our meetings? [19:28] so cut would be the more portable option [19:28] I usually bank on an hour meeting [19:28] it usually lasts just over that [19:28] bash is available pretty much anywhere, just remember to use #!/bin/bash not #!/bin/sh [19:29] oh, what am I saying, that's not a bash-only feature [19:29] * tumbleweed is being an idiot [19:30] I'll go with cut this time [19:56] maybe 90 mins or till meet concludes [19:57] approx 90 mins [19:57] yeah [20:01] and first thing on the agenda is feedback on last meet discussions/decisions [20:04] kbmonkey, and add plans to order cds as soon as they are available [20:04] what is actually on the dvd's guys [20:05] thanks Kilos [20:05] yw [20:05] i cant go see the links and things so try member [20:06] understand [20:06] feedback on lpi must be in plus the new site etc [20:07] and maybe that its linux-studies and odds of doing python right after look good [20:07] led by our resident python mage [20:07] mages [20:07] dunno how many we got [20:07] magi :) [20:07] lol [20:09] tumbleweed, are you gonna join us at linux-studies [20:09] so far its me with all the questions [20:10] sorry, overcommitted as it is [20:10] aw [20:12] i added those Kilos [20:12] great [20:12] yup :) [20:12] im using irssi now [20:12] lol [20:12] we also need somebody to pick up on Team Reports again [20:12] ill stay with xchat and 9 workspaces [20:13] something that maiatoday used to do very effectively [20:13] that should usually be part of the chairman's job after the meeting [20:13] (or whoever does the minutes) [20:13] okay I'll get the lowdown on how those are done [20:13] kbmonkey, you still got control of Maaz ? [20:13] yes [20:13] good [20:14] wow I sure do like bash scripting [20:14] so much of power [20:14] so much power [20:14] ah thanks for that teamreports item tumble [20:14] i think [20:15] so much mischief [20:15] kbmonkey: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/TeamReports [20:16] hey Tonberry you will be at the meet tomorrow night hey? [20:16] doubt it [20:17] * superfly actually does most of his scripting in Python these days [20:17] for the millionth time sulug scheduled a beer evening at the same time as the ubuntu-za meeting [20:17] superfly: did you see my ping re DB size on soda [20:17] superfly: btw, we have to migrate soda to a new VM real soon [20:17] tumbleweed: yeah, I did... haven't had a chance to carry on the cleanup [20:18] (it's running on debian lenny, which is already out of support. Frogfoot/me were dragging our feet in the migration) [20:18] lemme get some more done now while I wait for other things [20:18] hopefully the new VM will have more disk space :) [20:21] kbmonkey, maybe we can discuss ways to get more new peeps to here [20:21] there are some clever brains out there [20:21] like in our lists [20:22] and dont forget the extra you were gonna supply with cd's [20:22] cant remember what it was [20:22] a printed guide with each cd? [20:23] oh and psydroid is part of us now [20:25] inetpro, did you see that command to install a whole archives copy [20:25] * psydroid is unfortunately too busy with (uni) work to even read the guide :/ [20:25] Kilos: no [20:25] Tonberry: it is? sorry I never heard of the clash before now [20:25] i tried it and it starts at acpi [20:25] installs everything [20:25] we usually dont say anything [20:25] till your external crashes [20:25] not sure about a guid Kilos, bringing a friend to a party? [20:26] maybe a bit on how to get here for noobs [20:26] maybe someone will bring some internet [20:26] is there wifi at the pub? :) [20:27] don't think os [20:27] so* [20:27] but maybe we can find enough 3g bandwidth for irc [20:27] oh wasnt it about things like doing updates for new peeps [20:28] im sure there are lots of noobs who install but dunno about how to connect to internet or that updates are important [20:29] at least if there is something on how to get here then whoever is here can advise them [20:30] we have to sort that clash out Tonberry, could use the bodies at the meet, and sure you could use the beer! [20:30] i think there are peeps that try ubuntu but give up because of lack of guidance [20:31] Tonberry, is beer that important [20:31] if organized in advance then yes [20:31] beer is a staple food group [20:31] what time does that start Tonberry ? [20:31] you will end up with a pot belly when you are older [20:31] we cant change now, but fyi [20:31] 19:00 [20:32] wonder how much data i have left on 3g [20:32] could take a netbook along [20:32] wouldnt be the first time [20:32] kbmonkey, in future make meets on a wednesday or something [20:32] we can census it for the next meet or two [20:33] ill add it [20:33] and whats with guys like william walter kinghorn. why arent they here [20:34] are lists guys antisocial? [20:34] many peeps don't take to irc [20:34] inetpro, here is that command [20:35] /dpkg -i *.deb/ [20:35] i was on ubuntu forums and the list for a good while before irc [20:35] took me a while to work it out [20:35] if we give it a friendly face... [20:35] irc is more personal i think [20:35] a photo collage? lol [20:35] lol [20:36] maybe nico will come here and we can teach him to use Maaz to google for him [20:36] live chat == time commitment; emails == reply in due time [20:36] maaz's google-fu has alot to be desired for [20:37] he always gives the 3 or 4 most relevant links [20:37] if one asks the right questions [20:38] it's a nice idea [20:38] but bots that return search results is bad form [20:38] Maaz, google kbmonkey [20:38] Kilos: "keyboard monkey" http://log.darknet.co.za/ :: "LQ Choice Awards for 2009 « keyboard monkey" http://kbmonkey.wordpress.com/2010/02/10/lq-choice-awards-for-2009/ :: "My Portable DJ Netbook « keyboard monkey" http://kbmonkey.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/my-portable-dj-netbook/ :: "CB Wallpapers (Page 1) - Artwork & Screenshots - CrunchBang Linux ..." http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/14002/cb-wallpapers/ :: "[howto] Click the mouse [20:38] hehe [20:38] hey that's me [20:38] it does work! [20:38] see maaz is clever [20:39] dunno if he can find the rest [20:39] Maaz, google tumbleweed [20:39] Kilos: "Tumbleweed Tiny House Company" http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/ :: "Tumbleweed Tex Mex Grill & Margarita Bar - Index" http://tumbleweedrestaurants.com/ :: "Tumbleweed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumbleweed :: "Tumbleweed Dancehall & Concert Hall" http://calffry.com/ :: "Tumbleweed Center for Youth Development" http://www.tumbleweed.org/ :: "Tumbleweed Dancehall & Concert Hall - College Days" http [20:39] ha ha ha [20:39] Kilos: hmm.. I wonder about that command [20:39] whew I didn't come up [20:39] fail [20:39] lol [20:40] hey tumbleweed can I have 2 large tex mex steaks and a beer please :D [20:40] not so sure whether that is such a good idea [20:40] it adds a lot of cruft to a channel IMHO [20:40] dangerous [20:40] inetpro, you gotta add in where to find your archive folder then it works [20:41] Kilos: sure it will work, but is it a good idea? [20:41] kbmonkey, thats why there is pming [20:41] brb. reloading scripts... [20:41] i dont know inetpro maybe one can modify it to use apt-get [20:42] Kilos: apt-get uses dpkg in the background [20:42] i dunno if dpkg works better than apt-get [20:42] do they both look at dependancies inetpro [20:42] kbmonkey: wb [20:42] i dont know dpkg [20:43] thanks inetpro [20:43] Kilos: I'm way to tired to get into those details now [20:43] you know you a geek, whenon your study break, you write some bash and perl scripts [20:44] lol [20:44] making a custom notifier for my irssi and conky [20:44] yeah its late [20:44] time for ballies to kip [20:44] gn oom. don't forget your walking stick [20:44] * kbmonkey covers and ducks [20:44] hehe cheeky brat [20:45] dont worry I'm not far off! [20:45] goodnight all of you. sleep tight. see you morrow [20:45] kbmonkey, you got a long way to go [20:46] half my age [20:46] whew what a pleasure [20:46] toods all [20:51] ah he's gone