| scott-upstairs | anyone here for the meeting? | 15:58 |
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| holstein | in 2 hours? | 15:58 |
| holstein | is that right? | 15:58 |
| scott-upstairs | eh, i thought it was now, okay, i'll come back then :) | 16:10 |
| holstein | scott-upstairs: i never do the conversion properly... lemme look | 16:12 |
| ailo | It might have been now. | 16:28 |
| ailo | Well, maybe not. I don't remember | 16:28 |
| holstein | ive got it in 30 minutes scott-upstairs ailo | 16:28 |
| ailo | I'm not of much help, but I can attend the meeting anyhow | 16:33 |
| holstein | i think i can | 16:33 |
| ScottL | holstein, i think you are right, the wiki shows 17:00 UTC | 16:38 |
| ScottL | which is now 20 mins away for me | 16:38 |
| ailo | I've done some midi editing a couple of days, using Ardour3 and qtractor | 16:49 |
| ailo | It's a headache to say the least | 16:49 |
| ailo | It's almost impossible to get finished with anything more advanced than 4/4 in the same tempo | 16:50 |
| ailo | All sorts of bugs | 16:50 |
| ailo | Thinking about trying rosegarden next | 16:50 |
| ailo | Ardour3 got borked almost right away for me. When I entered midi notes, they would appear a few bars ahead | 16:51 |
| ailo | Now, my qtractor project has something corrupted that makes it impossible to edit a midi file, or it freezes | 16:52 |
| ailo | Still just trying to finish one track | 16:52 |
| ailo | What I'm doing is I'm making a drum track using Hydrogen as an instrument, so I can record some guitars and have something resembling a beat to play along with | 16:53 |
| ailo | A way to get a feel for the arrangement as well | 16:53 |
| ailo | Wow, 914 MB just to install rosegarden on this Debian install :P | 16:54 |
| ailo | I'm pretty happy with rakarrak. | 16:56 |
| ailo | Only thing missing is a good drum sample library. Gotta get one together soon (well, maybe not a good one, but a real one) | 16:57 |
| ailo | Aside from rosegarden, I guess there's still MusE | 16:58 |
| astraljava | Are we going to have a meeting? My connection sucks, so don't hold be responsible for chairing, please. | 16:59 |
| astraljava | be == me | 16:59 |
| ailo | astraljava: Sounds like you have a cold. Have some lemon bee | 17:01 |
| astraljava | Hehe. :D | 17:01 |
| ailo | ScottL: holstein astraljava len Is it time? | 17:05 |
| astraljava | It would be. | 17:06 |
| astraljava | Already six minutes past. | 17:06 |
| holstein | yeah | 17:06 |
| holstein | you want to do something informal in here instead? | 17:07 |
| holstein | just a little shout of report kind of thing? | 17:07 |
| holstein | knome: are you around? | 17:07 |
| holstein | cfhowlett: o/ | 17:13 |
| len | Im here | 17:13 |
| cfhowlett | morning/evening/afternoon all | 17:13 |
| len | ailo: try rosegarden with no docs. | 17:15 |
| ailo | len: You mean that makes the installation smaller? It pulled in a lot of other stuff too I guess. Since I'm getting my hands dirty with midi editing now, it's a perfect opportunity to see which sequencer actually holds water | 17:17 |
| ailo | So far I'm not too happy with either qtractor or Ardour3 | 17:17 |
| ailo | I'm not able to finish a project with those two | 17:18 |
| len | ardour3 still doesn't seem to put out toc files either. | 17:18 |
| len | I am thinking it tries to do too much | 17:18 |
| len | have you tried lmms? | 17:19 |
| ailo | For audio recording, Ardour3 is great. But for midi, well, it's still so new | 17:19 |
| ailo | I haven't for a long time | 17:19 |
| ailo | What I need is to be able to do advanced midi editing | 17:19 |
| len | When I downloaded rose the docs were 600m | 17:19 |
| ailo | Really? Wow | 17:19 |
| len | That may also be the reason pure data comes docless. | 17:20 |
| ailo | len: It doesn't come without docs | 17:20 |
| len | Well then there may be a bug ,because I couldn't find any docs. | 17:21 |
| ailo | len: They are in the form of patches. You can find them using the help browser | 17:21 |
| ailo | Or, in /usr/lib/pd/doc/* | 17:22 |
| len | Or at least when I went to the help menu on the title bar and selected docs it came up empty. | 17:22 |
| ailo | len: There's no docs item in the help menu, but there is "browser" | 17:23 |
| len | Still nothing there though in the iso I checked. | 17:23 |
| ailo | I don't get what you mean, since pd always comes with those docs | 17:24 |
| len | Yes the docs are there in /usr/lib/pd/doc/ | 17:24 |
| len | but when I tried to access them from pd I wasn't able to. I will try again when next I am up with US1204 | 17:25 |
| len | Maybe I did something wrong. | 17:25 |
| ailo | len: There could be a bug with that version of pd, not sure. I seem to remember something like that | 17:25 |
| len | is there a meeting? | 17:26 |
| ailo | It's here if we're going to have one | 17:26 |
| len | Ok. I have to go soon. The only comment I have... is that it would be nice to see more small changes happening as they are needed. | 17:27 |
| astraljava | Yeah, let's wait for Scott, cause we would have to make some decisions, and we can't make them without the leader. | 17:27 |
| len | It would be better for testing if we knew about problems earlier than later | 17:28 |
| astraljava | len: ACK. Things have been rather crazy lately, for me, and apparently for Scott as well. | 17:28 |
| ScottL | sorry got wrapped up in family stuff | 17:28 |
| len | Is it hard to drop things into the iso? Just the seeds or metas too? | 17:29 |
| len | From my know next to nothing view it seems like it would be "simple" to make any one change. | 17:30 |
| ScottL | len, i've been making changes | 17:31 |
| ScottL | i've updated the lightdm theme and the default-settings package to address some of the things we already acknowledged | 17:31 |
| ScottL | i would like to get micahg to upload these today or tomorrow after i test them on my precise-test machine (i've already built theme) | 17:32 |
| len | Good, So I should see that soon then. | 17:32 |
| ScottL | there will probably be some issues with either the theme name and icon theme name | 17:32 |
| ScottL | some things got changed (not by me) and i'm not sure how they will react | 17:33 |
| len | One of the problems with adding a package after install, is that the user already has settings installed. | 17:33 |
| len | It would be better to replace the package on the usb iso and reinstall. | 17:34 |
| len | At the least you need to create a new user. | 17:34 |
| ScottL | len, when the package is tested that it installs then it will be uploaded to the repositoriy and then included in the iso after the next build (whenver it is) | 17:34 |
| ScottL | again, hopefully this is done this today/tomorrow | 17:35 |
| len | Ah, you just want to see if it installs. Thats diferent. | 17:35 |
| ScottL | my goal is to address groups of issue on a weekly basis | 17:35 |
| ScottL | len, yes....test build and install | 17:35 |
| ScottL | then validate if it does what it is suppose to fix | 17:35 |
| len | Theme changes will be seen best by creating new user. | 17:36 |
| ScottL | once the iso installs without hanging up or dumping us to terminal or whatever i want to tackle the jack rt issue and pulseaudio<->jack bridging | 17:36 |
| len | lightdm changes should show ok on their own. | 17:37 |
| ScottL | on the former, cjwatson has maintained that the preseeding should work but ubiquity is running the preseeding _after_ the installation | 17:37 |
| len | jack-pa bridging looks like setup changes. | 17:37 |
| ScottL | the later, i will talk directly to david h. (who seems to be the expert or most interest and is an audio core-dev guy) about how it should work and then compare our setup | 17:38 |
| len | If preseeding is after the install then a mv command should work fine. | 17:38 |
| ScottL | len, right, but it should install correctly with preseeding, it does it correctly on other variants i believe | 17:39 |
| ScottL | but i want to make sure the iso installs as properly as possible before i poke cjwatson further | 17:39 |
| len | jack-pa the problem is that PA still tries to send audio directly to alsa which is blocked by jack | 17:39 |
| ScottL | len, there has been quite a bit of work with d-bus to make things play better, i still suggest that something might have changed which unwittingly is making things not work well with jack | 17:40 |
| ailo | I suppose the jack PA bridge is entirely Ubuntu and not Ubuntu Studio? and that those guys are working on it? | 17:40 |
| ScottL | len, aye, other people are working on pulse audio, but david h. should be able to suss it out for us | 17:40 |
| len | I got one reply on the bug asking for a log file. nothing since | 17:41 |
| len | That may help. as from my view it can be either a PA bug or a US setup problem. | 17:42 |
| ScottL | one issue for the group, does anyone object to making a LTS application to the technical board? it would be for three years and a best effort commitment | 17:42 |
| ScottL | len, david h. is very fluent in both pulse audio and jack and will be able to help us, i spoke with him at the last UDS about this issue | 17:43 |
| len | It depends on PA's ideas as to what is right or the right way of doing things. | 17:43 |
| ScottL | so this coming week i hope to focus on jack rt and pulseaudio<->jack | 17:44 |
| cfhowlett | I only do LTS releases, so if 12.04 will be ready, I wholeheartedly support the LTS application. | 17:44 |
| len | I think the question is not support so much as " have we reached our goals for this version?" | 17:44 |
| ScottL | the following week i would like focus on the ubiqutiy plugin that astraljava worked up | 17:44 |
| len | That is: is the switch to xfce complete. | 17:45 |
| ScottL | len, i would posit that the goals for any version are never reached until practically at the last of the cycle | 17:45 |
| ScottL | the question i think we should ask, do we want to support a particular release over a given period for our users | 17:45 |
| ScottL | i prefer to run the LTS version until certain apps (e.g. ardour) can't be updated | 17:46 |
| len | I understand that, to rephrase: does it look like the switch to xfce will be complete? if it does then this would be a good time to call it LTS | 17:46 |
| ScottL | i'm not sure i would want that as a qualifier at this point, we can always keep updated the packages, even after release, to fix issues | 17:47 |
| len | ok. | 17:47 |
| ScottL | therefore, if something in xfce isn't where we want it, the use can install and then upgrade the package | 17:47 |
| len | Doesn't that happen pertty much on it's own? | 17:48 |
| ScottL | sometimes | 17:48 |
| ScottL | but perhaps we have a wrong config file and that is _our_ implementation problem | 17:48 |
| ScottL | not xfce's or ubuntu's or canonical's or even xubuntu's, most likely | 17:48 |
| ScottL | for example, i just realized two/three days again i had a config file in the wrong directory for lightdm | 17:49 |
| ScottL | this is probably causes some of our problems and it was a stupid mistake on my part | 17:49 |
| ScottL | but it's OUR problem, not anyone else's | 17:49 |
| len | It's why we do testing. | 17:50 |
| ScottL | aye :) | 17:50 |
| ScottL | and you have been a HUGE help in that department! | 17:50 |
| ScottL | and all your efforts and comments have been MOST appreciated | 17:50 |
| len | We expect mistakes... no mistakes means no movement. | 17:50 |
| len | Anyway, I'm ok with LTS if my vote has any meaning. | 17:52 |
| len | Anything about menus? | 17:52 |
| cfhowlett | If it's LTS worthy and ready, then yes. Please. | 17:52 |
| astraljava | len: Of course your vote has meaning, they're all equal. | 17:53 |
| ScottL | len, yes, we value your vote | 17:54 |
| ScottL | len, as to menus, we'll see when this happens, like some of the smaller issues | 17:54 |
| ScottL | they might happen in march (or on the cusp) unfortunately | 17:54 |
| ScottL | again, i think some discussion needs to happen before we make changes | 17:55 |
| ScottL | len, do you still have your menu currently changed? | 17:55 |
| len | Ok, I have a gig gotta go. I have been working on menu files. I'll post them on the list for feed back. | 17:55 |
| ScottL | we might use your screenshots to further the discussion | 17:55 |
| ScottL | good luck at the gig | 17:55 |
| len | Can I get screen shots of menus? everytime I have a menu open I can't seem to do anything else. | 17:56 |
| ScottL | len, you can do a timed schreenshot from the menu | 17:56 |
| ScottL | accessories -> screenshot | 17:56 |
| ScottL | and choose a 5 sec delay or something like that | 17:57 |
| ScottL | then open the menu and wait | 17:57 |
| len | Ah! ok gotta go. Bye all | 17:57 |
| ailo | rosegarden crashed. That's how I remember it. Sudden crashes. MusE seems to be really easy to work with concerning midi, but why the hell does it install Swedish, when I have English as my system language! | 18:00 |
| astraljava | ScottL: What is our stance on the LTS question? Same as Xubuntu? | 18:04 |
| ScottL | astraljava, yes, i was going to propose the same | 18:10 |
| astraljava | Sounds good. | 18:10 |
| astraljava | ScottL: What features are we going to be driving before Beta-1? I should get the ubiquity plugins ready during Tuesday. But what else? | 18:11 |
| astraljava | ailo: That Muse behaviour seems really interesting. Would you be willing to debug it with me, let's say, on Wednesday or after that? | 18:14 |
| ScottL | astraljava, i was really hoping to get the lightdm updates pushed and verified before moving on to ubiquity plugin | 18:25 |
| ScottL | astraljava, but that was because i just wanted to keep things modular and simple | 18:25 |
| ScottL | astraljava, it doesn't have to be that way however | 18:25 |
| ScottL | kinda to focus on a single problem, prepare fix, verify fix, and mark it off the list | 18:26 |
| astraljava | ScottL: Sure, I understand that. | 18:28 |
| ailo | astraljava: Well, I believe the program has a bug which makes it choose the language file from some other criteria than the system language. I deleted the non English locales from /usr/share/muse/locale/* which solved my problem | 18:31 |
| ailo | I've posted on their forum on Sourceforge | 18:31 |
| ailo | Just found their bug tracker, so I will put a note there as well | 18:32 |
| ailo | I love working with the midi editor. Let's see if I can get more stable performance (no missing beats and buggy editing) | 18:33 |
| astraljava | ailo: Ok. | 18:34 |
| ScottL | hi shnatsel | 18:58 |
| shnatsel | hi ScottL | 18:58 |
| astraljava | ScottL: So, are you available on Tuesday, so we can go over the changes I've made? | 19:07 |
| shnatsel | aaarg looks like all the time I spent on lp:ubuntu-cdimage is wasted | 19:45 |
| shnatsel | it wants one and only one repo with all needed packages, and there seems to be no sane way to merge repos | 19:46 |
| shnatsel | well, I hope the seeds docs were useful to you at least | 19:46 |
| ScottL | astraljava, i will make myself available :) | 20:02 |
| ScottL | shnatsel, i'm sorry to hear that :/ | 20:02 |
| ScottL | they were useful, however | 20:02 |
| shnatsel | not wasted then | 20:04 |
| astraljava | shnatsel: You should talk to LP devs, maybe there is a way after all. | 20:24 |
| astraljava | ScottL: Ok, cool. | 20:25 |
| shnatsel | astraljava: it's not about lp, it's about ubuntu ISO builds | 20:25 |
| shnatsel | astraljava: well, there is a way. I've found one. | 20:25 |
| astraljava | shnatsel: But what repos are you mentioning, then? | 20:25 |
| shnatsel | astraljava: I need to merge ubuntu archive with several PPAs | 20:26 |
| shnatsel | astraljava: well, I don't anymore. | 20:26 |
| astraljava | shnatsel: That's what I meant. All the repos are under LP umbrella. They might know the way. | 20:26 |
| shnatsel | astraljava: screwed it and rewriting in-house build system again. | 20:26 |
| astraljava | shnatsel: Ok. | 20:26 |
| shnatsel | astraljava: ah, thanks! | 20:26 |
| ScottL | micahg, ping | 20:30 |
| micahg | pong | 20:30 |
| ScottL | wow, hehe, thought it would be a bit :P | 20:31 |
| ScottL | i'm almost ready | 20:31 |
| ScottL | with fixes to -default-settings and -lightdm-theme | 20:31 |
| ScottL | testing once more after ppa rebuilds (which should be quick as there really isn't a "binary") | 20:31 |
| ScottL | micahg, do you have experience with icons theme and theme names? | 20:32 |
| ScottL | either way i would expect to have the bzr changes pushed in about a hour (i need to run to store with kids first) | 20:33 |
| ScottL | micahg, if i have a single bug for which i have several lines in the changefile, can i do the following: | 21:47 |
| ScottL | [bug #000000] | 21:47 |
| ubottu | Error: Launchpad bug 0 could not be found | 21:47 |
| ScottL | 21:47 | |
| ScottL | * fixed this | 21:48 |
| ScottL | * fixed that | 21:48 |
| ScottL | etc? | 21:48 |
| micahg | well, would be LP: #XXXXXX, but yeah | 21:48 |
| knome | here i am | 21:49 |
| ScottL | hehe, yeah, thank you micahg, just tidying up changelog and seeing if i need another bug report | 21:50 |
| ScottL | hi knome | 21:50 |
| knome | hey! | 21:50 |
| knome | what's up? | 21:50 |
| ScottL | just working on the -default-settings and -lightdm-theme packages so the iso should boot without problems finally | 21:51 |
| knome | right | 21:51 |
| knome | good luck with that | 21:51 |
| ScottL | i'm feeling good about what i got | 21:51 |
| knome | what about the cards? | 21:53 |
| ScottL | knome, also, astraljava and i should be testing the ubiquity plugin on tuesday as well | 21:53 |
| knome | oo, shiny | 21:53 |
| knome | http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-xubuntu.html | 21:54 |
| knome | cabin crew prepare for landing! | 21:54 |
| ScottL | knome, hmmm, cards...i still have about three things to do tonight and a meeting at work on tuesday for which i REALLY need to prepare, so let's say wednesday i will make changes | 21:54 |
| knome | changes? :) | 21:54 |
| ScottL | alsdllkfjlaklkaslkdflk | 21:55 |
| ScottL | sorry, was thinking slideshow | 21:55 |
| ScottL | hehehe, my bad | 21:55 |
| knome | hehe, that's fine :D | 21:55 |
| knome | changes with cards are fine too... | 21:55 |
| knome | just want to know you'll get them safely to your printer - assuming you will send them to one :) | 21:55 |
| ScottL | i'd actually like to wait until later for the slideshow if possible actually | 21:55 |
| ScottL | knome, yes, i would like to send them to a printer and i do not have any changes :) | 21:55 |
| knome | no problem, i can upload what we got now to the main branch | 21:56 |
| knome | or do you want me to hold that too? | 21:56 |
| ScottL | knome, that is a good idea, at least we have something and we can change it as well | 21:56 |
| knome | okay, great | 21:56 |
| knome | i'll do that tonight | 21:56 |
| ScottL | s/well/will | 21:56 |
| ScottL | thank you again knome, without you and shimmer/xubuntu we would have not gotten many things done | 21:56 |
| knome | np, happy to help | 21:56 |
| ScottL | i wish i knew more and could do more to help you | 21:57 |
| ScottL | but i'm learning a lot (which i really enjoy doing) | 21:57 |
| knome | nah, this is fine | 21:58 |
| knome | i've made a merge proposal | 22:00 |
| knome | added dylan mccall as the reviewer, since he knows the internal stuff | 22:00 |
| knome | and that would be https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/precise/+merge/93750 | 22:01 |
| astraljava | knome: Yeah, I intend to finish both ubiquity plugins on Tuesday, I'll be home tomorrow evening. | 22:09 |
| knome | astraljava, nice :) | 22:29 |
| knome | astraljava, how are you, btw? | 22:29 |
| astraljava | I'm okay, really tired, but happy that the trip is almost over. Both interviews went fine, so at least that should be good news. I didn't really enjoy the expo that much, but the greek friend is always a blast to see. As were you guys. :) | 22:33 |
| knome | hehe. great to hear. and thanks :) | 22:34 |
| knome | you're always welcome again | 22:34 |
| astraljava | Cheers, I intend to. :) | 22:37 |
| knome | great! | 22:40 |
| knome | we might even be able to organize an nhl-night with 3 other guys, if you're interested | 22:41 |
| astraljava | Of course I am! :) | 22:42 |
| astraljava | But I think I need to practice first. :) | 22:42 |
| astraljava | knome: Are you using chrome or ff? | 22:44 |
| astraljava | It seems chrome leaks memory like crazy now. I had to go back to ff. | 22:45 |
| scott-upstairs | micahg, ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme version 3: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio/ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme | 22:54 |
| scott-upstairs | micahg, ubuntustudio-default-settings version 93: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-default-settings/UbuntuStudio | 22:54 |
| scott-upstairs | micahg, hold on a second! i realized i forgot to remove something from default-settings | 22:56 |
| scott-upstairs | micahg, default settings but version 94 | 22:58 |
| scott-upstairs | i had realized that both the default-settings and lightdm packages were both doing the same thing in the pre/post inst/rm files | 22:58 |
| scott-upstairs | which was setting up the lightdm theme, so i moved it to lightdm where i think it should be then | 22:59 |
| knome | astraljava, ff | 23:34 |
| knome | nighty | 23:40 |
| len-nb | ScottL scott-upstairs (and anyone else who cares to look) http://www.ovenwerks.net/UStudiodocs/menu.html has what I have done so far in redoing menus. | 23:51 |
| len-nb | Comments? | 23:51 |
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