=== Torpedo_Skyline is now known as TorpedoSkyline [00:45] superm1: You're a core-dev, so you should hae direct commit access to lp:~ubuntu-audio-dev/pulseaudio/ubuntu.precise [01:03] lamont: did you file a bug about the nm-applet memory usage problem? I'm seeing the same problem here (though I noticed it at < 3GB, I didn't wait for it to hit 6GB) [01:04] slangasek: lifeless was also seeing that; I believe he filed a bug. [01:06] RAOF: right, bug #930491 then - thanks [01:06] Launchpad bug 930491 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu) "Large memory leak in nm-applet" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/930491 [01:16] slangasek: I think cyphermox said he fixed some of that with the latest nm upload, but there's more to do [01:18] micahg: ah, well, it's possible that fixing that bug is why nm-applet now won't *restart* for me ;) [01:18] (glibc free() assert) === JackyAlcine_ is now known as JackyAlcine [02:21] 31mb usage after 2 days uptime here, nm-applet is definitely much better that it was here [02:24] slangasek: ah, will look into it. could you get me a backtrace (things work here, so it might be that you have some device I couldn't test and messed up) [02:24] cyphermox: bug #936644 [02:24] Launchpad bug 936644 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu Precise) "nm-applet assert failure: *** glibc detected *** nm-applet: free(): invalid pointer: 0x0000000001eb1370 ***" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/936644 [02:24] thanks [02:24] so it's related to the new patch changes [02:25] yeah [02:26] I know what causes this, weird that this doesn't affect me too though === webjadmin is now known as JackyAlcine [02:29] cyphermox: slangasek: [02:29] 2386 robertc 20 0 3014m 1.8g 12m S 0 24.1 27:53.58 nm-applet [02:30] Sarvatt: ^ not that much better :P [02:30] indeed [02:30] actually, it depends a lot on how much noise is around -- if there's a lot of changes in scan results, it tends to go up faster [02:31] well, i have an N network [02:31] and iwlwifi [02:31] something is still broken in the menu updates but I'm having a hard time tracking it down [02:31] so my network reconnects like crazy [02:31] lifeless: ah [02:31] guess that would make sense yeah :/ [02:31] combined with it not remembering my credentials, thats pretty annoying (which is presumably related to the lack of themeing ...) [02:31] wow, yeah the networks barely ever change here [02:32] Sarvatt: you're seeing it behaving better because before it was updating on every signal level change... a little too agressivel [03:30] TheMuso: yeah I realized that shortly later. I pushed it through [03:42] superm1: ok thanks. [03:56] gpg --export-secret-subkey xxxxxxxx > sub.gpg give an error: gpg: key yyyyyyyy: not protected - skipped why? === webjadmin_ is now known as JackyAlcine === fenris is now known as Guest47832 === Guest47832 is now known as ejat === Ursinha` is now known as Ursinha === Ursinha is now known as Guest37626 [07:43] could someone clarify a seed question for me? mythbuntu isos are fairly oversized right now. if something that is only pulled in via recommends of something seeded is added to the mythbuntu.precise/blacklist file, will that keep it from getting pulled in or have some other undesirable effect? [07:46] good morning [08:20] doko: would it be nice to drop gnat-4.4 for precise === lag` is now known as lag [08:58] Hi there, looking for an package sponsor as piiti is on vacation. [09:04] !sponsorship|Sweetshark [09:05] Sweetshark: You can find out about the package sponsorship process here http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess - For !UDS sponsorship see http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/sponsorship/ [09:10] tumbleweed: ok thx, let put that different: as pitti in on vacation, i need somebody else daring to upload libreoffice-3.5.0-1ubuntu1 to precise. its already parked on chinstrap and waiting to be picked up. [09:11] ah, libreoffice. I can see why you may not want the usual queue [09:12] tumbleweed: ;) === hughhalf is now known as hugh_afk [09:41] Sweetshark: have you considered to apply for PPU rights for libreoffice so you can upload yourself in future? [09:43] geser, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BjoernMichaelsen/YourDeveloperApplication :) [09:44] dholbach: ;) [09:45] i found a victim on #ubuntu-desktop it seems. [09:46] more victims are also useful for endorsements on that PPU application. We like people to have worked with multiple sponsors [09:46] good, I was worried I was going to have nightmares worrying that it'll still need sponsoring in the morning my time :) [09:51] micahg: the Linux philosophy is "laugh in the face of danger" http://groups.google.com/group/linux.dev.kernel/msg/74ee0b1d6420cd08 [09:59] doko: what do you think about http://u.42.pl/2HXy patch? it is needed to get cross compiler built for multilib arm - I am keeping it in gcc-4.6/cross package === ttx` is now known as ttx [10:30] hrw: why is this necessary? === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson [10:34] doko: dpkg-shlibdeps otherwise is not able to find libc6 for armhf [10:35] doko: and vice versa if build for armhf === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer [12:08] Hi all. I have written an Quickly app and started a project on Launchpad. I have updated setup.py with the url of the project. Clicking on Help-> Report a problem produce an error that this is not an ubuntu package [12:09] my question is: How do I link the app and the project [12:10] cyphermox: hi, could you take a look at the merge proposal for bug #875017 ? [12:10] Launchpad bug 875017 in Ubuntu Translations "Translation for "Wired Connection %s" not displayed" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/875017 === tsimpson_ is now known as tsimpson === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === om26er__ is now known as om26er === yofel_ is now known as yofel === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:26] kelemengabor: got my comments? [14:27] cyphermox: yes [14:28] I'll resubmit it, thanks === ochosi_ is now known as ochosi [14:32] hello all [14:33] i wanted to burn de cd of pangolin to make some test but it is 715mb and i could not overburn it using brasero and k3b on a 700mb cd :d [14:33] what to do please except than buy 800mb cd ? is it some files i can delete without problems ? as languages files or anything low importance ? [14:38] jodh, is this one actually upstart? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/936256 [14:38] Launchpad bug 936256 in linux (Ubuntu) "kernel panic on boot" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:40] apw: Just marked it as dup of 935585. === tlyu_ is now known as tlyu [14:48] peaceZ: no, you pretty much need all the files (or what you could remove isn't likely to give you enough space). as an alternative you could burn the ISO image to a USB key if you have one large enough [14:49] bug #935585 [14:49] Launchpad bug 935585 in upstart (Ubuntu) "[kernel panic] init: log.c:786: Assertion failed in log_clear_unflushed: log->remote_closed" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/935585 [14:52] is the unity-video lens nailing the crap out of their disk for anyone else? [14:53] apw, not that I noticed but I'm on a ssd and I don't watch ios closely, you should open a bug if that happens to you in any case ;-) [14:53] seb128, it seems to be reading everything in my home directory [14:54] urg [14:54] its been humping my disk for 10m now [14:54] -o /home/apw/.cache/unity-lens-video/videos.db -l 0 -U /home/apw [14:54] it doesn't seem to be limiting itself to my videos directory === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [14:55] apw, report a bug please, what value has XDG_VIDEOS_DIR in .config/user-dirs.dirs? [14:56] $ grep XDG_VIDEOS_DIR ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs [14:56] XDG_VIDEOS_DIR="$HOME/" [14:56] this is one of those where if you remove empty directories which you don't use the desktop loses its mind, isn't it [14:56] apw, that might be part of the issue [14:56] apw, yes ;-) [14:57] that happened with pictures as well, as they were empty i don't have them [14:57] well it fallback to the dir under the one your deleted [14:57] so Videos -> user dir [14:57] it's a bad idea to delete the standard xdg dirs [14:57] not sure how we can message that to users though [14:57] cyphermox, my laptop does not enable usb boot, unluckily, thank you for your reply [14:58] one way would be to recreate them for you at every login :p [14:58] or perhaps we could just behave sensibly in the face of resonable user behaviour [14:58] seb128, if i remake it will the world recover ? [14:58] apw, prompt a dialog asking if you are sure to want to remove those directory with a warning of the side effects? [14:58] seb128, and against what do i file a bug, i'd not like to blame unity when its not [14:59] apw, you can just tweak .config/user-dirs.dirs to whatever dir you want the video dir to be [15:00] seb128, ok i'll do that, i should file a bug, even if it gets closed 'Don't do that', so that others can find the symptoms [15:00] apw, right, I'm trying to figure what they do, if they just index the video dir it's technically not a bug on their side, it's not especially new [15:01] we keep getting bugs about nautilus getting really slow because people delete "Templates" [15:01] the video lens is brand spanking new though isn't it [15:01] and the dir fallback to the user dir [15:01] then nautilus tries to build templates with your whole userdir content [15:01] perhaps we should fall back to '.empty' and make one thats empty [15:01] apw, right, the issues due to xdg dirs deletions are not new though [15:01] seb128, oh i probabally have that too [15:02] apw, ideally we would lock down the dirs on the fs and don't let users delete them or something [15:02] or at least display a warning dialog when somebody does saying they are asking for issues [15:02] its a bit of a strange paradimn though, as it makes sense to keep everything say to do with ones 'wedding' in one place [15:03] apw, well, we could fallback to an empty dir yes, but then you would get i.e no video indexed and not understand why [15:03] so forceing me to put my videos in one place and pictures in another for an event ... is going to hurt heads [15:03] apw, until we get something that doesn't suck to replace inotify we can't do much better [15:04] what is inotify missing which prevents this from working ? [15:04] apw, you can't watch your whole user dir [15:04] it's limited to 32k watches or something [15:04] so basically you have to watch the main dir and go through all the subdir every time something change [15:04] you can't tell inotify "just let me know when something in the user dir change" [15:05] or rather "let me know what changed" [15:08] apw, well in any case yes please open a bug on "unity-lens-video", I will comment on it [15:08] seb128, i can see why, that would be vastly expensive for the kernel to do [15:08] apw, I think it should be easy to just not index if the Video dir is the user dir [15:08] it would have to know that someone was watching somewhere higher in the hierachy [15:08] apw, well the bottom line is that there is no way to monitor files through an user dir which is not io expensive [15:09] whcih would be a lock heavy and extremly time consuming operation on every single io [15:09] seb128, how about we have a Media directory instead [15:09] apw, well we have music, pictures and videos [15:09] they could be subdir of a media though [15:10] apw, but yeah, those could do with some design thinking [15:10] i wonder what happens if i point them all to Media/ which is what i mean really [15:10] thing is that you don't want shotwell to index your music for example [15:10] so i can have Media/wedding/* [15:10] or rhythmbox to index your photos [15:10] i would hope shotwell would know that a tarball isn't something it can index [15:10] and same with rhythmbox [15:11] I guess design will said that the solution would be to have one application doing music, video and photos [15:11] apw, right, they still watch their library though [15:11] yeah probabally [15:11] the more you watch, the more you wake up looking at stuff to see that you don't care about those [15:11] anyway [15:12] going back to the issue [15:12] please open a bug on unity-lens-video saying that it gets confused when the video xdg got deleted [15:12] and please subscribe me to the bug ;-) [15:12] I doubt we will address the different directories for different medias this cycle [15:12] but we can probably handle the cases where some xdg dir needed got deleted [15:13] no probabally not as i am not sure design agree my concern is valid anyhow [15:13] in their model i mean [15:13] would it be by displaying a dialog at login telling about the issue and the side effect it has an asking you if you want to pick another dir for $MEDIA [15:13] * apw will file something, and go remake these directories [15:13] login or whenever it detects that the directory is being deleted [15:16] does anyone know what the offical matrix key binding is? as i have it appearing at random [15:19] apw, alt [15:20] seb128, doing what with alt? single press? [15:20] apw, that's a known bug, should be fixed this week, it appear if you alt-tab sometimes or if you alt-screenshot [15:20] apw, yes, a simple tap, i.e just press and relax without using other keys [15:20] apw, though it's buggy and i.e alt-printscreen or sometimes alt-tab done quickly will trigger it [15:21] bug #925293 [15:21] Launchpad bug 925293 in Unity Distro Priority "Plugins can't tell the difference between a modifier key-tap, and a modifier key-release (after being used to modify other keys)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/925293 [15:21] apw, ^ [15:21] ahh ok, thats odd as i didn't think it was single-tap from playing with it, but double, strange [15:22] seb128, are cursors mean to work once you have typed a term ? [15:23] apw, cursors? [15:23] seb128, i am looking for something to select anything other than the first entry in the suggestions list [15:23] oh, you mean in the hud? down arrow should work [15:23] it works for me [15:23] it seems to highlight the first one, nothing seems to work here [15:24] keypad arrows don't work though [15:24] if that's what you try [15:24] but the normal "down" arrow should go down [15:25] seb128, what keysym is it bound to ? [15:25] doesn't work with any of the down arrows on any of my keyboards [15:26] dunno, it works for me with [15:26] state 0x10, keycode 116 (keysym 0xff54, Down), same_screen YES, [15:26] i.e "Down" [15:26] seb128, ok mine is producing Down, and no dice [15:26] you might want to ask on #ubuntu-unity about it [15:27] i'll file a bug [15:27] any idea what one files matrix things in ? [15:28] apw, https://code.launchpad.net/~gordallott/unity/hud/+merge/90085 [15:28] that was the feature merge [15:28] it might have code clues === Torpedo_Skyline is now known as TorpedoSkyline [15:29] gord, ^ [15:29] apw, gord might be able to help you, he did most of the unity side of the hud [15:29] seb128, Videos thingy filed and you sub'd [15:29] gord, is there any known issue where down doesn't work to navigate through the hud suggestions? [15:29] apw, thanks [15:30] seb128, interesting the keys which produce Left and Right work to move in the entry box ok [15:31] seb128, saw the same issue with the dash earlier, not looked at it yet though [15:31] unity bug then I guess... [15:32] gord, xev says my up and down arrows produce Up and Down as keys, so i am a bit confused [15:34] seb128, i've got those numbers stuck on again, having fiddled with hud for a bit, perplexing [15:35] apw, what numbers? [15:35] seb128, the black numbers in the launcher, when you hold for a while on Super [15:35] the hints for the Super+ functionaolity [15:35] have one of my launchers with them stuck on [15:36] oh, weird [15:36] seb128, so is the hud bug to be filed against unity? [15:36] apw, yes [15:36] gord, should that down arrow bug assigned to you? [15:37] how odd, when yo uhave the launchers on the screen a [15:37] and hit alt, all your launchers go away even though only one needs to === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [15:37] is that intended [15:38] seb128, i guess, I don't really know enough about it to say where the issue is really, i'll farm it off wherever once i know more so can't hurt [15:38] gord, ok, thanks [15:38] apw, not sure, doesn't hurt to open a bug and get design to look at it === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [15:46] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/937025 [15:46] Launchpad bug 937025 in unity (Ubuntu) "HUD: cursor up/down keys are not working with hud searches" [Undecided,New] [15:46] seb128, ^^ for the HUD cursor issue [15:46] apw, thanks [15:54] gord, ok i just logged out and back in to fix my launcher icons, and i seem to have hud up/down working now [15:54] so it may be random whether they work or not [15:56] seb128, ^^ [15:56] seems so, gord said he got it once as well [16:10] ev: ping [16:10] m4n1sh: pong [16:11] ev: do you have time to refactor the whoopsie code [16:11] m4n1sh: yup, been working on it all day [16:11] and split it out of ccpanel_foo_init method [16:11] cool [16:11] I cant seem to get my way around it [16:11] i am bad at C [16:11] no worries [16:11] I'm on top of it [16:11] yeah!! [16:11] :) [16:11] I'll propose a branch hopefully by the end of the day [16:11] releasing on wed [16:11] yes, All my worries gone [16:11] thanks [16:13] slangasek: nm memory - I was waiting to reproduce it since I had upgraded a bunch of things [16:22] Hi. Are there known issues with precise upgrades at the moment (nvidia perhaps?). I've just updated an hour ago (hadn't done so for a while), and after reboot can only login to a recovery console. [16:23] * noodles775 takes a photo. [16:26] http://people.canonical.com/~michaeln/tmp/IMAG1140.jpg [16:26] * noodles775 checks if nvidia issue from the other week was resolved. [16:43] Hrm, checking dpkg.log seems to show that most of y system has been removed (I blindly did `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade` and hit Y without checking the packages) :/ [16:44] noodles775, I've installed today's daily today and had this issue after login for 30 seconds, then X logged me into unity [16:44] after that I've installed proprietary though and didn't experience the problem anymore [16:47] damg: yeah, as above, I've just checked my dpkg.log and seen that it's unrelated to a driver issue, but rather that many packages were removed when I just updated (including essential stuff like software-center, gnome-panel, unity-2d etc.) [16:47] hehe [16:48] `cat /var/log/dpkg.log | grep 2012-02-20.*remove | wc -l` -> 52 [16:52] how does unity decide whether an application window will be managed by it. it seems that it ignores blender in alt-tab or on its icon clicks. [16:53] hm, it doesn't even get focus. pressing alt calls the menu of the next app below it. [17:06] cjwatson: hello we the kubuntu team is working on an active image (aka mobile) could you please build following seed? lp:~kubuntu-active/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu-active-seed/ [17:06] thanks [17:16] lamont: looks like the nm memory bug is well understood now === JackyAlcine_ is now known as JackyAlcine [18:25] bulldog98: it's not quite as easy as just asking cjwatson to build a seed :) I'm looking at script to be fiddled now [18:26] Riddell: ok ping me if finished, I’ll test it then [18:27] hallyn: the AT_EMPTY_PATH issue now also affects qemu-linaro, apparently [18:27] bulldog98: it's probably not today, needs bits put on servers that I don't have access to [18:28] Riddell: ah ok [18:40] slangasek: cool === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === allison_ is now known as wendar [19:47] I want to report a bug against renice but I can't find it's upstream bug tracker. [19:51] Can anyone help me? [19:53] Since it's bsdutils I don't think that nor Ubuntu neither Debian bug trackers are the best choice [19:53] but since it's fundamental part [19:53] Anyone? [21:03] mdz: hey Matt, are you there for TB meeting? === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === Guest65979 is now known as albrigha [21:44] Hi - is there anyone about with build-rescore-superpowers that can bump [21:44] https://launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/+archive/bug-935585/+packages ? [21:45] * jodh double-checks to see if emacs has a build-rescore function... [21:46] jodh: done [21:47] stgraber: thanks very much! emacs drew a blank. Wonder if it's got [21:47] a make-me-a-build-rescore-function function?...