[00:09] <Azelphur> pretty fun, wikipedia has an IRC channel that shows you the changes as they are happening, http://wbe001.mibbit.com/?server=irc.wikimedia.org&channel=%23en.wikipedia
[00:09] <Azelphur> moves very fast :D
[00:12] <penguin42> neat
[00:13] <penguin42> it's nice seeing an entirely random set of subjects go past
[00:17] <hamitron> sorta like here? ;)
[00:19] <Azelphur> indeed hehe
[07:33] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:49] <popey> morning
[07:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning everyone.
[08:00] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:20] <DJones> Morning
[08:31] <christel> good morning
[08:32] <czajkowski> hmm my terminal is pretty unusable today, every time I hit enter it goes trasparant
[09:02] <diplo> Morning all
[09:14] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[09:15] <andyloughran> howdy
[09:15] <andyloughran> how is everyone this fine morning?
[09:16] <gordonjcp> reasonable
[09:16] <diplo> Slightly chilled :)
[09:18]  * gordonjcp is going to Gleneagles today
[09:18] <gordonjcp> this is unlikely to be a relaxing round of golf and a dip in the pool
[09:19] <gordonjcp> I need to learn everything about Tait T1800 trunking systems and TB7100 base stations, possibly while $boss drives us up there
[09:20] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps
[09:21] <diplo> gordonjcp, that security stuff ?
[09:25] <mattt> i'm grumpy
[09:25] <mattt> very long drive into work
[09:27] <diplo> :)
[09:38] <gordonjcp> diplo: general comms around the site
[09:41] <diplo> heh gordonjcp thought you were on about these people, http://www.tatecolson.co.uk/
[09:41] <diplo> but guess you mean the hand sets etc
[10:04] <popey_> bah
[10:05] <czajkowski> welcome back
[10:05] <daubers> lo
[10:06]  * daubers is very excited
[10:06] <daubers> \o/
[10:06] <daubers> Probably shouldn't be drinking coffee this morning
[10:08]  * popey wonders why daubers is excited
[10:09] <daubers> Had an offer accepted on a house \o/
[10:09] <czajkowski> whooo
[10:09] <czajkowski> congrats
[10:10] <daubers> \o/
[10:10] <popey> oooh
[10:11] <daubers> Now I'm old and sensible (apparently)
[10:14]  * popey buys daubers a flat cap
[10:15] <diplo> daubers, first house of your own?
[10:15] <daubers> diplo: Yup
[10:15] <daubers> I think I own a flatcap... might be in my parents roof
[10:15] <diplo> Nice, more responsibility now :P
[10:15] <daubers> At least when things break I can get them fixed!
[10:16] <daubers> (stupid rented houses)
[10:16] <diplo> I only rented for a couple of years and that was always friends or friends of friends
[10:16]  * directhex moos gently
[10:16] <diplo> Never had the proper land lord issue
[10:16] <diplo> Bought my first house at 20/21
[10:17] <diplo> Just wish I had started bigger :(
[10:17] <daubers> diplo: This is quite big for us, 3 bed house with HUGE gardens
[10:18] <diplo> In the reading area>
[10:18] <daubers> diplo: Hungerford
[10:18] <daubers> So a bit further west
[10:18] <diplo> Blimey, you loaded :D
[10:18] <daubers> diplo: It was suprisingly cheap!
[10:18] <diplo> I live in Trowbridge, just outside Devizes
[10:18] <mattt> oooh, i was in hungerford the other week, nice place
[10:18] <daubers> diplo: You must be loaded then :p
[10:18] <mattt> congrats daubers
[10:18] <daubers> \o/
[10:18] <diplo> Trowbridge = Dive of the area :)
[10:19] <daubers> heh
[10:19] <diplo> Bath/Bradford etc are the costly places
[10:19] <daubers> apparently this isn't the nicest part of hungerford
[10:19] <diplo> 3-4 times more
[10:19] <daubers> Bath is for rich people
[10:19] <mattt> we were driving down a country lane late at night, saw an owl hovering over the road, was fakking weird
[10:19] <daubers> and romans
[10:19] <daubers> mattt: Even weirded when you see them sat on signs watching you...
[10:20] <diplo> heh, my parents bought there house for 23k in Bradford... now worth about 600k :)
[10:20] <mattt> diplo: how many years ago?
[10:20] <diplo> 30
[10:20] <diplo> ish...
[10:21]  * mattt wishes he got on the property ladder ages ago
[10:21] <daubers> mattt: Everyone does :(
[10:21] <diplo> My biggest issue, on my 4th house now
[10:21] <directhex> i bought a house at the peak of the property bubble ^_^
[10:21] <diplo> But i started @ 25 year mortage each time
[10:21] <daubers> directhex: \o/
[10:22] <mattt> directhex: well, depending on where you bought, that may not mean a whole lot
[10:22] <directhex> i still think it was dramatically undervalued... or perhaps every other comparable property is overvalued
[10:22] <diplo> So even though i have owned a hose for 15 years ish now, I still have a 20 year mortage left :(
[10:22] <daubers> directhex: also, do you know if mono is being ported to the raspberry pi?
[10:22]  * mattt cranks up feist on spotify and gets to work
[10:22] <daubers> directhex: That was my feeling about this house I just bought
[10:22] <directhex> daubers, should work out of the box. armv6 support should be there
[10:22] <daubers> \o/
[10:23] <directhex> they're distributing a debian image, right? should just work
[10:23] <daubers> Was going to get one for the wifes cousins kid, as he's learning .net stuffs
[10:23] <daubers> Thought it was fedora?
[10:23] <diplo> yeah image is out already
[10:23] <diplo> Defo a debian image out and about
[10:24] <directhex> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[10:24] <daubers> Sorry, yeah it is debian
[10:24] <daubers> my mistake
[10:24] <diplo> Torrent	debian6-17-02-2012.zip.torrent
[10:24] <diplo> :)
[10:24] <diplo> bah, all to fast for me
[10:24]  * diplo goes back to sleep
[10:24] <directhex> mono on fedora is something of a second class citizen, since red hat made it clear they wanted it to be a second class citizen. should be fine on debian tho
[10:25] <daubers> cool beans :)
[10:25] <directhex> try running a game, like spacechem or atom zombie smasher! 8D
[10:25] <AlanBell> not quite sure what the point is of that image, does one run it in qemu or something?
[10:26] <directhex> AlanBell, one deploys it to one's raspberry pi sdcard i guess
[10:26] <directhex> qemu for arm sucks, because qemu upstream are douchebags
[10:26] <diplo> I think they are pre-empting 10k of downloads on receiving of said Raspberry :)
[10:26] <AlanBell> yeah, I can't see the point of everyone enthusiastically downloading the image without the hardware to run it on
[10:27] <popey> to look at what it ships with
[10:27] <AlanBell> which isn't that!
[10:28] <AlanBell> it will ship with an as-yet unreleased fedora derivative
[10:28] <popey> no, to see what the _image_ ships with
[10:35] <gord> popey, you getting any corruption with the new rc6 patch?
[10:35] <popey> not tried it yet, just about to
[10:35] <popey> you?
[10:37] <gord> not yet
[10:37] <gord> but i'm not getting the same power savings as i got with deep-rc6 enabled.. can feel heat when i put my hands near the fan :(
[10:42] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:52] <davmor2> morning all
[10:52] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[10:52] <czajkowski> herro davmor2
[10:52] <bigcalm> Hi kids :)
[10:53] <brobostigon> morning davmor2 , czajkowski and bigcalm
[10:53] <bigcalm> davmor2: does one has to declare one's interest in attending the WolvesLUG meetings?
[10:53] <davmor2> czajkowski: that instantly makes me think of turning Japanese
[10:53] <bigcalm> davmor2: you really think so?
[10:54] <davmor2> bigcalm: should be on the mailing list, it's nice so people know how many will be there more than anything else :)
[10:54] <davmor2> bigcalm: the song, and r's instead of l's
[10:55] <bigcalm> davmor2: I was quoting the song :P
[10:55] <davmor2> morning brobostigon bigcalm MooDoo
[10:56]  * bigcalm waits for somebody else to reply to Ron's post ;)
[10:57] <bigcalm> Oh, I'm running 12.04 on my laptop now. Working so far despite a lack of skype. If that isn't working by Thursday, might have to load it on my phone
[11:08] <ali1234> is it safe to update at the moment?
[11:10] <bigcalm> Last night it worked out ok
[11:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: and are you using unity of xfce still
[11:13] <ali1234> 400mb of updates...
[11:13] <ali1234> is it just me or has update manager got really slow?
[11:14] <davmor2> ali1234: how do you mean slow, it's plenty fast enough here
[11:14] <bigcalm> davmor2: unity
[11:14] <bigcalm> Crazy no?
[11:15] <ali1234> after fetching the sources is empties the list of updates one at a time about 1 per second
[11:15] <ali1234> takes about a minute
[11:15] <ali1234> then the new list appears instantly
[11:16] <davmor2> ali1234: ah yeah I think that is a known bug with the way that the new apt process works speed should improve significantly latter in the release process
[11:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: there is no hope for some I was hoping for binary numerics and you go for roman fail ;)
[11:26] <popey> bah
[11:26] <popey> probably system board issue on my x220
[11:27]  * davmor2 sends czajkowski to hug popey as a hug proxy
[11:27] <bigcalm> :P
[11:27] <gord> popey, whats it doing?
[11:27] <gord> or not doing
[11:30] <popey> fails to detect hdd sometimes
[11:30] <popey> and fails to boot sometimes
[11:30] <popey> get a nasty BIOS HDD error
[11:30] <bigcalm> You had that with your HDD, you're also getting it with the SSD?
[11:31] <gord> ugh yeah, send it back
[11:31] <davmor2> popey: oh only minor then, nothing to likely to slow you down or anything :(
[11:32] <popey> new mobo coming tomorrow with engineer
[11:32]  * popey hugs 3 years nbd onsite
[11:33] <bigcalm> He'll really give you an Etch-a-sketch instead
[11:34] <popey> I swapped the hard disk out so i know it's not that
[11:35] <davmor2> popey: faulty bridge chip maybe
[11:36] <popey> it also fails to power up sometimes
[11:36] <popey> press / hold power button and nothing happens
[11:37] <davmor2> popey: oh faulty power, hdd no power == not detected, that would do it :)
[11:38] <gord> soo... vlc 2.0's best new feature seems to be an inability to play half my video files
[11:38] <gord> i think i want 1.* back
[11:39] <popey> davmor2: well, the guy is coming tomorrow so hopefully will be fixed ☺
[11:40] <ali1234> is he coming all the way from china?
[11:41] <davmor2> gord: ah just use totem and ignore the hud popup
[11:42] <gord> i usually use mplayer, but gnome 3 removed my ability to set files to open with non .desktop related applications in nautilus
[11:48] <ali1234> "Anglian Water says some reservoir levels are 20% lower then normal."
[11:48] <ali1234> "lower then normal."
[11:48] <ali1234> come on BBC i expect better
[11:51] <davmor2> gord: write a .desktop file for it
[11:52] <Adriannom> lo.  having trouble getting a hp scanjet 5590 scanner to work.  xubuntu 11.10.  it worked out fo the box before, not sure what has changed.  it didn't work on mint 12 either
[11:52] <Adriannom> hplip is installed and google isn't much help
[11:53] <Adriannom> i load simple scan and it just doesn't find any scanners
[11:53] <gord> davmor2, then it shows up in a bunch of other places you don't want it to
[11:54] <davmor2> gord: oh I see you don't want it showing up in most frequently used apps ;)
[12:21] <davmor2> bigcalm: See ALEX got it :P
[12:22] <mrevell> davmor2, bigcalm, gord: On for the Light House Thursday?
[12:22] <davmor2> mrevell: indeedly doodly
[12:22] <mrevell> top
[12:23] <bigcalm> mrevell: I am, yes
[12:24] <AlanBell> please can school start again :(
[12:25] <popey> ours went back today
[12:25] <popey> they were off last week
[12:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: Ours went back today.
[12:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D
[12:26] <AlanBell> not fair
[12:26] <davmor2> gord is there a way to chage the bright blue osd notifications
[12:26] <czajkowski> AlanBell: when are yours back ?
[12:26] <AlanBell> tomorrow
[12:26] <AlanBell> inset day today
[12:27] <AlanBell> or a run round the house screaming day as they are alternately known
[12:30] <MooDoo> mine is at nursery and he's back today
[12:34] <popey> davmor2: uninstall notify-osd :D
[12:34] <czajkowski> whoo I've propper Ubuntu back and HUD
[12:35] <AlanBell> davmor2: have two monitors and the right one lower than the left one
[12:35] <AlanBell> davmor2: they went bright blue for me temporarily, but now they are back to dark grey (but the shadow seems missing
[12:35] <AlanBell> )
[12:36] <davmor2> AlanBell: :( mine are still Blue
[12:36] <davmor2> I'll see if there is an updat
[12:36] <davmor2> e
[12:36]  * jussi waves to davmor2
[12:37] <AlanBell> anyone got two monitors and wants to confirm bug 935131
[12:37] <davmor2> jussi: congrats to MRS JUSSI again ;)  you were only there for conception so you just get a footnote congrats :D
[12:38] <jussi> davmor2: aww :(
[12:38] <MooDoo> oh morning davmor2 :)
[12:39] <jussi> davmor2: but... but... but... oh feck it.
[12:39]  * davmor2 hugs jussi only kidding dude,  Congrats
[12:40] <jussi> heehe
[12:40] <jussi> I m so glad she has a name now, it was killing me to say "little one" or "the baby"
[12:45] <diplo> jussi, I still call my boy "Chubs" ( was chubby at birth ) and he's 5 now :D
[12:46] <MooDoo> it's ok davmor2 ignore me i don't mind :p
[12:46] <jussi> heeh
[12:48] <davmor2> MooDoo: I said morning to you hours ago chap
[12:51] <MooDoo> davmor2: apologies, must have missed it :D
[12:51] <czajkowski> no ubuntu UK Global jam happening ?
[12:52] <Dave2> mm, jam
 morning brobostigon bigcalm MooDoo  that was at 10:55
[12:53] <MooDoo> davmor2: soz chap....
[12:53] <davmor2> MooDoo: forgiven don't do it again, How's life chap?
[12:53]  * bigcalm looks up and then goes back to sleep
[12:53] <MooDoo> davmor2: busy at the moment.
[12:55] <davmor2> bigcalm: hey no sleeping at work lad wake up[
[12:57] <bigcalm> Yikes, it's almost 1pm
[12:57] <bigcalm> What to do for lunch...
[12:57] <bigcalm> Toasted cheese sandwiches!
[12:58] <davmor2> bigcalm: eat?
[12:58] <bigcalm> davmor2: seems likely
[13:05] <ali1234> anyone having difficulty revealing the launcher??
[13:06] <ali1234> seems like there is a 50% chance that pushing against the edge of the screen does nothing
[13:06] <ali1234> and when it happens it doesn't start working again until you move the mouse away from the edge
[13:06] <ali1234> so you can push and push and nothing happens
[13:07] <ali1234> also it only seems to happen in the top 1/4 of the screen
[13:08] <davmor2> ali1234: go into system settings, appearance, Behaviour tab and you can lower the resistance
[13:08] <ali1234> i already have the resistance set on the absolute minimum
[13:08] <ali1234> this is a bug
[13:08] <davmor2> ali1234: as in you have it set to the highest?
[13:08] <ali1234> also it only happens on the first monitor
[13:09] <ali1234> no, as in the launcher should pop out as soon as i even brush against the edge of the screen
[13:09] <ali1234> that's what it did before i just updated
[13:09] <ali1234> and it's what it does on the second monitor
[13:09] <ali1234> and the bottom 3/4 of the first monitor
[13:10] <ali1234> i suspect that i have only noticed this problem because i have the resistance set so low
[13:10] <davmor2> ali1234: pass then over to gord who maybe able to direct you to someone that can help
[13:10] <ali1234> i'll just report it
[13:12] <AlanBell> czajkowski: I emailed the list about the jam, I don't think we have a venue for a real-life thing (or much availability at the weekend to do that kind of thing)
[13:13] <davmor2> AlanBell: all round to czajkowski's then right?
[13:14] <AlanBell> good plan
[13:26] <gord> don't worry guys, i found it, the best way page on all the internet. http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/things-that-make-corgis-happy
[13:36] <popey> 29 is ace
[13:37] <popey> thats excellent
[13:43] <MooDoo> davmor2: AlanBell czajkowski having a party? ;)
[13:46] <popey> I've been thinking about a location for the jam
[13:47] <czajkowski> Google hangout?
[13:47] <czajkowski> hmm my folks are over from ireland that weekend
[13:47] <czajkowski> I had better make some plans
[13:48] <MooDoo> czajkowski: aren't hangouts max 10 people?
[13:48] <popey> yes, unless you get an 'on air' account
[13:50] <gord> *however* hangouts do support screen sharing
[13:50] <ali1234> i couldn't get that part to work still
[13:50] <gord> so you can have groups of hangouts proxy into one master hangout technically ;)
[13:52] <popey> heh
[13:52] <popey> nested hangouts
[13:59] <davmor2> popey: Ubuntuone sync the .gtg folder?
[14:03] <popey> davmor2: the developers specifically say don't do that
[14:05] <davmor2> popey: odd I wonder why maybe you can get sync errors if you do
[14:05] <popey> you do
[14:05] <popey> you get conflicts
[14:05] <davmor2> popey: :(
[14:06] <davmor2> popey: zsync and a sync my gtg now button on the desktop?
[14:07] <czajkowski> http://twitpic.com/8mev18/full  looks pretty right :)
[14:14] <MooDoo> czajkowski: needs maor black squares
[14:15] <AlanBell> they are dark aubergine
[14:15] <czajkowski> close it and reopen it
[14:15] <czajkowski> and no more black squares
[14:15] <czajkowski> they grow during the day
[14:16] <davmor2> czajkowski: okay so what did you do to annoy Chris?  hmm hmmm come on out with it?
[14:17] <MooDoo> davmor2: she was herself? ;)
[14:17] <czajkowski> Chris who
[14:17] <davmor2> MooDoo: yeap that might do it
[14:22] <davmor2> popey: I got it,  setup openssh-server on one box,  symlink the on gtg to the openssh'd one instant sync :)
[14:26] <gord> czajkowski, sandybridge cpu?
[14:27] <czajkowski> sandy who?
[14:28] <davmor2> czajkowski: what CPU do you have in the laptop
[14:29]  * popey thinks it probably is sandybridge
[14:29] <popey> its that toshiba ultrabook innit?
[14:30] <gord> point being, if it is sandybridge, make sure your system is upto date and you are running the latest kernel, if you are, dig out popey's g+ post about the call for testing of the newest kernel for sandybridge owners and complain that you get corruption
[14:30] <popey> +1
[14:33] <czajkowski> Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2467M CPU @ 1.60GHz
[14:33] <czajkowski> popey: aye tis
[14:33] <czajkowski> gord: will do
[14:35] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/PowerManagementRC6  czajkowski
[14:35] <czajkowski> ah cool thanks
[14:35] <popey> gord: i see no corruption and got massive power saving
[14:35] <czajkowski> have so much reading tonight to do
[14:36] <popey> 16W vs 8W
[14:51] <davmor2> czajkowski: do you have an android phone?
[14:53] <czajkowski> yup
[14:53] <czajkowski> which now has no data after friday night train travel :)
[14:59] <s-fox> Hello.
[15:00] <davmor2> czajkowski: that's okay this can use wifi, grab an app called unix & linux news I find it a good tool for interesting news on stuff :)
[15:00] <MooDoo> s-fox: hello there :D
[15:00] <s-fox> Hello MooDoo
[15:00] <s-fox> I'm back \o/
[15:00] <MooDoo> s-fox: welcome back
[15:01] <s-fox> Thanks :D
[15:02] <s-fox> What's new MooDoo  ?
[15:03] <MooDoo> s-fox: debating to upgrade my work machine to ocelot...and replacing the windows 7 machine at home with precise....other than that, not a lot, you?
[15:04] <davmor2> s-fox: You have a death certificate, surely the only thing that would explain is why you can't hear stuff........oh wait that's deaf
[15:05] <s-fox> MooDoo,  Well got back last night. Just catching up with emails and stuff.
[15:05] <MooDoo> s-fox: good trip?
[15:05] <s-fox> davmor2,  You know I have BSL level 1 qualification...
[15:06] <s-fox> MooDoo, Yes, met some funny french guys at a bar :)
[15:06] <MooDoo> s-fox: sticking two fingers up at davmor2 doesn't constitute sign language ;)
[15:06] <czajkowski> davmor2: oh will do later, got a new card for phone as was running out of space
[15:07] <davmor2> MooDoo: I think you'll find she has two hands so that would be 4 fingers :P
[15:07] <MooDoo> davmor2: you're worth it :D
[15:07] <s-fox> MooDoo,  12 months to learn that seems a little bit of a waste of time ;)
[15:08] <davmor2> s-fox: well czajkowski could of taught you in like two seconds so yes
[15:08] <MooDoo> s-fox: he's worth it lol
[15:09] <s-fox> wait back up... someone actually reads whatever dribble i put on twitter? Poor souls...
[15:09] <s-fox> lol
[15:10] <MooDoo> s-fox: which crazy fool is that? ;)
[15:10] <s-fox> What is new with you davmor2  ?
[15:10] <davmor2> s-fox: It just tickled me when I read it :)
[15:10] <gord> is it just me that rhythmbox hates?
[15:11] <gord> i can't get it to play more than a couple of tracks before crashing
[15:11] <MooDoo> gord it's you :D
[15:11] <awilkins> The sight of Lansley being accosted by little old ladies outside No 10 has warmed my cockles
[15:11] <s-fox> davmor2,  A story exists that my great uncle was killed in ww2 during an air raid by british anti-aircraft fire. The death certificate should put some light on the situation.
[15:12] <ali1234> hud is slow :(
[15:13] <s-fox> gord Open rhytmbox from terminal and post errors when it crashes
[15:13] <ali1234> press alt, wait, think "i guess hud isn't in the release yet", wait some more, hud appears
[15:17] <AlanBell> ali1234: the thing to do is attempt something else that requires the alt key, then it leaps into action
[15:18] <ali1234> anything you type while waiting also ends up in the hud, when it finally does appear
[15:20] <AlanBell> gord: would it be a problem to strip spaces from the hud string?
[15:22] <ali1234> for what purpose?
[15:22] <AlanBell> to stop it taking options away when you press space
[15:22] <ali1234> for example?
[15:25] <ali1234> if you press escape it gets rid of the hud. unless you've typed something, then it clears the input field and also moves it to whichever screen the mouse is on
[15:26] <gord> things that are not a bug tracker: #ubuntu-uk ;)
[15:26] <AlanBell> in nautilus if you type "new" it shows a bunch of options with "new" in them. Type space and they all go away
[15:26] <gord> AlanBell, i'd be against doing that, you need to be talking to ted on the backend to make sure the fuzzy matching is less space aware
[15:26] <AlanBell> just terminating spaces
[15:26] <AlanBell> so "new " becomes "new"
[15:27] <AlanBell> if you carry on typing "new ta" then the "new tab" option comes back, but it is most disconcerting when it goes away at "new "
[15:28] <ahayzen> AlanBell: It needs to strip whitespace?
[15:28] <ali1234> it's not just that
[15:28] <ali1234> try terminal and "new profile"
[15:29] <ali1234> it's the top hit for "new", disappears at "new " and doesn't reappear until "new pro"
[15:29] <AlanBell> ahayzen: no, it needs to trim the string of ending whitespace
[15:29] <ahayzen> AlanBell: Yeah thats probably best :)
[15:29] <ali1234> the top hit for "new pr" doesn't even have either of those words in it
[15:30] <AlanBell> any search for "$foo " will return anything not containing "$foo"
[15:37] <ali1234> AlanBell: are you reporting this bug, because if not i will
[15:39] <AlanBell> Bug #937020
[15:40] <AlanBell> the fuzzy matching is not good for people who are not fuzzy
[15:40] <ali1234> ok. i'll make a separate bug about the fuzzyness
[15:42] <ali1234> ah i think i know what's happening
[15:42] <ali1234> can you retry but type "file new "
[15:42] <ali1234> i think there is some biasing that makes it expect the first word to be the top level menu name
[15:43] <popey> i also get unicode squares in my hud sometimes
[15:44] <popey> like if you press ctrl+e inside hud you get 0005
[15:45] <AlanBell> ali1234: "file new " is similar to "new " it takes options away
[15:45] <ali1234> yep same here :(
[15:45] <AlanBell> and yeah, I get the unicode things for ctrl+letters
[15:46] <ali1234> except for me on "file new pr" gives me what i actually want
[15:46] <ali1234> also, have you noticed that if you type the options *exactly* as they are written underneath, it *never* matches
[15:46] <ali1234> ie "file > new profile" never matches even though that is exactly what is written
[15:47] <AlanBell> how funny
[15:48] <ali1234> right, i;m not going to make a new bug because it's clearly all related
[15:49] <AlanBell> I grouped up a heap of "what on earth is HUD doing???" kind of bugs when it first came out as bug 921068
[15:49] <AlanBell> that is basically fixed, as long as you don't press space
[15:50] <ali1234> yeah, now it is biasing greatly in favour of words
[15:52] <ali1234> ok how about this:
[15:52] <ali1234> it is biased to find exact words
[15:53] <ali1234> and it is considering "new profile" to be a "word"
[15:53] <ali1234> but then it split the input on spaces
[15:53] <ali1234> so "new" matches "new profile"
[15:53] <ali1234> but then it doesn't know what to do with the "pr" part so it just gives up and does the crazy fuzzy search
[15:54] <AlanBell> it is because profile is a long word
[15:55] <AlanBell> it is about the "distance" from what was typed to what might have been typed
[15:55] <AlanBell> and adding "ofile" is a bigger distance than some other options
[15:55] <ali1234> you can see from the parts of the word it highlights that something is going horribly wrong
[15:56] <AlanBell> "new pr" to "normal" is in some way a shorter distance
[15:56] <ali1234> nope, you're wrong
[15:57] <ali1234> this is a tokenization problem
[15:57] <ali1234> try this
[15:57] <AlanBell> quite probably
[15:58] <ali1234> "new profile" matches "file > *new* profile" and "*edit* > *profile* preferences"
[15:58] <ali1234> * indicates the highlighting/ bold text
[15:58] <ali1234> "new profile" should be an exact match of "new profile"
[15:59] <ali1234> if they were both tokenized by splitting on space, it would be a match on both individual words
[15:59] <ali1234> if they were both considered to be a single string, it would also be an exact match
[16:00] <ali1234> the only way this can happen is if one is being taken as ["new", "profile"] and the other one is being treated as ["new profile"]
[16:00] <AlanBell> there is also hud-cli for working out what on earth it is doing
[16:00] <ali1234> so my guess as to what has happened:
[16:01] <ali1234> you reported "words aren't matching properly" so someone made a patch that does input.split(' ')
[16:01] <ali1234> but doesn't also split the menu texts in the same way
[16:02] <AlanBell> nope, it was a more amusing fix than that
[16:02] <AlanBell> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ted/indicator-appmenu/hud/revision/172
[16:05] <ali1234> if i enter "new profile..." it finds "report a problem..."
[16:05] <ali1234> i think i actually am going to make a separate bug for this
[16:14] <ali1234> bug 937046
[16:18] <gord> wooo just noticed its pancake day tomorrow
[16:22] <bigcalm> YAy
[16:22] <bigcalm> Except, we're out dog walking and it'll be too late for them when we get home
[16:22] <bigcalm> I recall this happening last year as well
[16:23] <gord> too late?
[16:23] <gord> it takes about two minutes to make pancakes
[16:25]  * czajkowski kicks HUD, nick focus from irc again and so help me IMMA GONNA...!
[16:25] <ali1234> it's mercifully easy to disable it in ccsm
[16:25] <awilkins> Esp if you buy the horrible pre-made batter mix in a plastic bottle
[16:27] <bigcalm> gord: too late to eat them
[16:27] <gord> you are mistaken
[16:27] <gord> pancakes are an all day meal
[16:27] <bigcalm> Heh
[16:28]  * awilkins likes pancakes with grilled chicken, cheese sauce, sweetcorn & spinach filling
[16:29] <awilkins> Now I'm hungry
[16:29]  * hamitron just has golden syrup with them
[16:29] <gord> friend of mine had a genius idea once, we bought a "flump" http://www.sweetgreetingsshildon.co.uk/images/uploads/soft/barratt-flump.JPG - wrapped one up inside of a pancake. it was was the tastiest thing i have ever eaten, but i think it shaved years off my life.
[16:29]  * awilkins broaches the emergency biscuit storage
[16:29] <czajkowski> gord: ohh tasty
[16:29] <czajkowski> but really nothing beats some butter lemon and sugar on a pancake
[16:30] <Laney> cheese + chorizo + caramelised onions
[16:30] <Laney> yesssssssssssssss
[16:30] <popey> ooooooo
[16:31]  * popey is making shredded chilli beef tonight
[16:31] <Laney> i'd have that in a pancake
[16:31] <hamitron> popey, that just sounds like you are too lazy to chew? :/
[16:32] <czajkowski> oh nymmy crispy shreaded chillie beef is rather tasty
[16:33] <popey> using left over beef from yesterday to make it
[16:33] <hamitron> I tend to just soak mine in gravy
[16:33] <hamitron> or have cold meat with chips
[16:33]  * hamitron is Mr Boring
[16:34] <gord> a caramel covered banana inside a pancake sounds nice, maybe i'll try that
[16:34] <czajkowski> bananna fritted trinkle of syrup and vanialla ice cream
[16:34] <czajkowski> *fritter
[16:34] <davmor2> gord: decades I think you'll find
[16:35] <hamitron> anyone giving up anything unusual this year?
[16:35] <davmor2> gord: did you have a poppins restaurant by you?
[16:35] <gord> davmor2, poppins? never heard of it
[16:38] <davmor2> gord: they used to do the mary poppins pancake,  2 pancakes, 3 scopes of icecream at the overlap, banana sliced into the rounds of the pancake, squirty cream all around the outside and then chocolate sprinkles, strawberry and caramel sauces
[16:39] <davmor2> gord: you could feel your arteries harden looking at it
[16:40] <Pendulum> davmor2: that's a lot more than a spoon full of sugar
[16:41] <davmor2> Pendulum: only a touch more
[16:44] <gord> not mary poppins unless the waiter does a dick van dyke cockney accent
[16:44] <davmor2> gord: http://www.topoftown.co.uk/poppins-cafe-restaurant/ not a great picture but you'll get the idea
[16:53] <popey> gord: does the wifi in your x220 drop after a period of no activity?
[16:53] <popey> mine is associated
[16:54] <popey> but no traffic leaves the machine
[16:54] <gord> popey, nope, though what do you mean by no activity?
[16:54] <gord> i generally have irc running or something, so there is net activity
[16:54] <popey> well, I have an IP
[16:54] <popey> my laptop has been sat at the desktop, no apps open, other than dropbox and u1
[16:54] <popey> and tomboy syncing now and then I guess
[16:54] <popey> but not much
[16:55] <gord> can't say my laptop has been in that kind of a state for any serious period of time, i'll have empathy or something running at the very least usually
[16:56] <popey> i think i have a dud
[16:56] <gord> are you sure it isn't like... a Finkpad?
[16:56] <gord> from Toshuba?
[16:57] <popey> ☺
[16:57] <popey> it did come from china
[16:57] <popey> first thing I know when it's dropped is the dropbox icon goes grey
[17:00] <gord> i like that handbrake has a little indicator now
[17:01] <czajkowski> ohh I have fluff in the press
[17:01] <czajkowski> that could be nice in pancaskes
[17:01] <czajkowski> *pancakes
[17:05]  * AlanBell wonders about czajkowski's bit of fluff
[17:05] <czajkowski> posting now
[17:06] <czajkowski> xhttps://twitter.com/#!/czajkowski/status/171641649204699136/photo/1
[17:06] <AlanBell> what on earth is that?
[17:07] <czajkowski> marshmallow
[17:07] <Pendulum> I don't know about strawberry fluff
[17:07] <czajkowski> gooey sticky marshmallow
[17:07] <Pendulum> but the regular stuff could definitely be yummy on pancakes
[17:07] <AlanBell> a jar of marshmallow? how does that work
[17:07] <Pendulum> AlanBell: it's not formed and is spreadable
[17:07] <AlanBell> melted or blended marshmallows?
[17:07] <czajkowski> AlanBell: https://twitter.com/#!/czajkowski/status/171642049303543808/photo/1
[17:08] <Pendulum> kinda blended
[17:08] <Pendulum> slightly different ingredients
[17:08] <DJones> I can see that stuff putting my wife in hospital as a minimum
[17:08] <Pendulum> in the US kids have fluffernutters which are peanut butter & fluff sandwiches
[17:10] <AlanBell> love the pictures of actual strawberries on the packaging
[17:10] <Pendulum> yeah, I doubt there is any actual strawberry in it
[17:10] <Pendulum> I don't do flavoured fluffs, just the plain stuff
[17:11] <Pendulum> it's nommy on ice cream, too
[17:11] <DJones> I saw that "Artificial flavour" at the top and thought thats no good for somebody with food colouring allergies
[17:11] <AlanBell> is this something that one would find in a UK supermarket?
[17:13] <Pendulum> probably not
[17:13] <Pendulum> I've brought it to friends in the UK in the past
[17:13] <Pendulum> although if there are any places that carry US "specialty" items, they might have it
[17:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> You gotta love the Yanks. I remember a hotel proudly telling me it uses "Egg Beaters" at Breakfast. Egg Beaters being a Tetra Pack, pint of mixed egg-like substance which makes something resembling scrambled eggs.
[17:24] <dwatkins> I guess there's less chance of salmonella from that...
[17:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Less chance of eating "real" egg too I guess. ;-)
[17:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> I mean, how hard is to break a couple of eggs?
[17:25] <dwatkins> you might get bits of shell in the pan, though... ;)
[17:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> If you can't cook yeah. ;-)
[17:25] <dwatkins> I make a point of buying Happy Eggs, their website is great - you can see they're very much free range.
[17:25] <AlanBell> like Baldrick in the trenches. We are using egg substitute today. . .
[17:25] <hamitron> dwatkins, covered in crap? ;/
[17:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> I dread to think of what that may be
[17:26] <dwatkins> hamitron: heh, I wouldn't be too concerned about that, but they're not
[17:26] <hamitron> oh I aren't
[17:26] <Pendulum> TheOpenSourcerer: it's supposedly lower cholesterol/healthier
[17:26] <hamitron> :)
[17:26] <AlanBell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEYyjVuk5M8
[17:26] <Pendulum> but mostly I think egg beaters are gross
[17:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Pendulum: If you eat *lots* of eggs yes. Like the chap next to me who wanted 8 eggs and steak for breakfast!
[17:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Jeez.
[17:28] <popey> AlanBell: there is an http://www.americansweets.co.uk/
[17:28] <popey> AlanBell: they might have that fluff stuff
[17:28] <popey> they're in Aldershot
[17:28] <popey> school friends parent runs it
[17:29] <Pendulum> I think my uni had regular eggs that were provided to them by the food service company in cartons
[17:29] <Pendulum> which is possibly worse than egg beaters since I suspect that sort of thing would be a breeding ground for salmonella
[17:30] <Pendulum> luckily, I don't like eggs
[17:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Only in America could you call a sweetie for kids "Hostess Twinkies"
[17:31] <AlanBell> well there it is at £2.30 per jar
[17:31] <directhex> isn't hostess bankrupt again?
[17:31] <davmor2> gord: hey dude why would unity die if I run an ldtp test script?
[17:32] <Pendulum> directhex: yes
[17:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> I seem to have rather lost the will to keep writing a project specification right now. Think I will go and annoy the family ;-)
[17:32] <gord> davmor2, no idea, your gonna want to get a backtrace
[17:32] <directhex> i bought a phone today.
[17:33] <bigcalm> Biatone?
[17:33] <davmor2> gord: got one in the bug I wrote,  well I'm assuming there is it was caught by apport
[17:34] <Pendulum> popey: you know, you can get things to bribe czajkowski from that shop. Just in case you ever need to ;)
[17:35] <popey> hah
[17:35] <popey> oh golly they sell it
[17:35] <czajkowski> I got the fluff stuff in the cyber candy shop off covent garden
[17:35] <czajkowski> has ODDLES of choice
[17:36] <czajkowski> tons of taffey cool aide stuff
[17:36] <czajkowski> jolly ranchers all the weid M&Ms
[17:36] <czajkowski> popey: if you're up up wednesday I can give you the tube of fluff I've had my fill of the stuff already
[17:37] <daubers> Umm....
[17:37] <popey> lol
[17:37] <popey> oi daubers ! down boy!
[17:37] <daubers> Did I walk into the wrong conversation again?
[17:37] <Pendulum> I am amused that they have a picture of Altoids on the American gum & mints section since Altoids were originally British
[17:37] <popey> Welsh ☺
[17:37] <popey> iirc
[17:38] <Pendulum> London originally, but then produced in Wales for most of the time they were produced in the UK
[17:38] <popey> ahh
[17:39] <popey> I'm not allowed to go to that shop ☺
[17:39] <Pendulum> haha
[17:39] <ali1234> because there are certain types of altoids that you can't buy in this country
[17:40]  * popey closes the tab
[17:40] <davmor2> Pendulum: I had to re-read that I saw your comment to popey as "you can get things to bride czajkowski from that shop" :D
[17:40] <ali1234> which people actually go to that website to buy
[17:40] <ali1234> specifically cinnamon and wintergreen
[17:40] <popey> i love the cinnamon ones
[17:40] <ali1234> wintergreen tastes like TCP :)
[17:40] <popey> nom
[17:41] <Pendulum> davmor2: well, I think she might marry taffy if she could
[17:41] <czajkowski> ohhhb
[17:41] <popey> TCP is a product name I never really see unless someone says "it tastes like TCP"
[17:41] <czajkowski> Pendulum: knows my weakness
[17:41] <czajkowski> http://120buntu.com/
[17:42]  * daubers wonders what UDP tastes like
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> paranoia
[17:43] <daubers> Do you ocassionally miss the taste?
[17:43] <Pendulum> czajkowski: don't you love the US http://www.americansweets.co.uk/hostess-green-st-patricks-day-sno-balls-pack-of-2-cakes-dated-090312-14349-p.asp ;-)
[17:44] <czajkowski> ewwwwww
[17:45] <CTtechguy> Pendulum: I have to get me some of those :)
[17:46] <ali1234> more like snot balls given the colour
[17:46] <AlanBell> czajkowski: what is the plan for Sunday?
[17:46] <czajkowski> I've no idea. you make it I'll be ther e:)
[17:47] <AlanBell> ok, I can pick you up in Farnham or Reading, but not central London :)
[17:47] <czajkowski> Pendulum: popey https://twitter.com/#!/czajkowski/status/171651727244787713/photo/1
[17:47] <Pendulum> czajkowski: we are hitting the time where the supermarkets turn green. There are things where I can cope with it, but others just don't work.
[17:47] <czajkowski> was gonna make my way to reading
[17:47] <AlanBell> probably best
[17:47] <Pendulum> czajkowski: how many of those are from FL?
[17:48] <czajkowski> the reece large cakes and the bag with tootsies in them
[17:53]  * popey files bug 937118
[17:53] <bigcalm> That'll hinder usage
[18:05] <ali1234> popey: i thought yo decided it's a bad motherboard?
[18:05] <popey> can't tell if this is related or not
[18:05] <popey> if I can boot past the "cant find disk" error, the machine runs fine
[18:06] <ali1234> that doesn't really mean much if it is an intermittent hardware fault
[18:06] <popey> i did see someone else complaining of similar wifi issue
[18:06]  * brobostigon wonders if his people see him like sheldon in big bang theory, and cringes,
[18:06] <ali1234> someone confirmed it anyway o_O
[18:06] <popey> hah
[18:07] <popey> oh, a kernel guy
[18:07] <popey> so yeah, i trust him ☺
[18:08] <brobostigon> if any people.
[18:08] <brobostigon> *
[18:08] <brobostigon> eeek
[18:08] <popey> I have never met you brobostigon so hard to say ☺
[18:08] <brobostigon> agreed popey
[18:09] <brobostigon> i just get the feeling sometimes.
[18:09] <popey> he is an exaggerated character
[18:09] <smittix> Is anyone running Ubuntu pre 11.10?
[18:09] <brobostigon> popey: an exaggerated autie, yes.
[18:12] <brobostigon> with some compulsive aspects.
[18:15] <brobostigon> anyways i confirmed http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/3933 that bug, and upgraded my bios, and it works now.
[18:20] <smittix> can anyone running a laptop pastebin me the out put of synclient?
[18:32] <czajkowski> bah still no skype
[18:34] <AlanBell> czajkowski: how are you installing it?
[18:34] <czajkowski> apt-get install
[18:35] <AlanBell> err, but it won't be there
[18:35] <czajkowski> yes figured that out
[18:35] <AlanBell> pro tip > http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/s/skype/skype_2.2.0.35-0natty1_amd64.deb
[18:35] <AlanBell> are you on 64bit?
[18:36] <czajkowski> AlanBell: aye
[18:36] <AlanBell> ok, that .deb file should be installable
[18:36]  * AlanBell is running it
[18:40] <czajkowski> I have this bug  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/827615
[18:42] <czajkowski> so I can now open the se center and vie witems but clicking on the .deb file and saying open with the sw center wont work
[18:42] <czajkowski> am jinxed with odd bugs
[18:50] <popey> czajkowski: wget http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/s/skype/skype_2.2.0.35-0natty1_amd64.deb
[18:50] <popey> czajkowski: sudo dpkg -i skype_2.2.0.35-0natty1_amd64.deb
[18:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Good old command line eh?
[18:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Who need sthis new fangled GUI of which we all speak
[18:52] <ali1234> remember when we had gnome and deb files opened in gdebi?
[18:52] <ali1234> those were the days... when stuff actually worked
[18:52] <czajkowski> huzzah
[18:54] <czajkowski> bah errors when it get to the sudo part
[18:54] <czajkowski> we eere doing so well till there
[18:54] <czajkowski> thanks popey
[18:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh wow - A single atom transistor: http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/02/we-can-do-no-moore-a-transistor-from-single-atom.ars
[18:55] <popey> czajkowski: what errors, i cant see your screen from here
[18:55] <popey> ali1234: i used to quite like gdebi
[18:56] <popey> czajkowski: its probably missing some dependancy which would be fixed by "sudo apt-get -f install"
[18:56] <czajkowski> popey: sorry the other fella came in  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/850343/
[18:57] <davmor2> czajkowski: see pm
[18:57] <czajkowski> ohhh
[18:58] <ali1234> er... the amd64 is actually 32 bit?
[18:58] <ali1234> because natty didn't have multiarch?
[18:58] <popey> eww
[18:58]  * popey pokes AlanBell 
[18:59] <ali1234> so it turns out there was never a 64 bit skype
[18:59] <popey> yeah
[18:59] <ali1234> nice one
[18:59] <popey> czajkowski: just removed the package again, sudo dpkg -r skype
[18:59] <ali1234> now go and install the :i386 package from oneiric which will work with multiarch and not make your system explode
[18:59] <popey> maybe also just get skype from their website ☺
[18:59] <ali1234> skype from oneiric works fine on precise
[19:00] <czajkowski> thans folks
[19:01] <ali1234> also
[19:01] <ali1234> if you ever get problems with debs that won't install
[19:02] <popey> drown a kitten?
[19:02] <ali1234> ar -x foo.deb gives you two tar files
[19:02] <ali1234> the files are instide the one that isn't called control.tar.gz
[19:03] <ali1234> that's just if you don't want to force it to install though
[19:03] <AlanBell> skype from natty works on precise, but I guess that was the ugly heap of dependencies I was complaining about the other night
[19:04] <ali1234> yeah it will work
[19:04] <ali1234> it just won't install cleanly
[19:04] <ali1234> and isn't 64 bit anyway
[19:04] <ali1234> and you would in general be much better with the one from oneiric
[19:04] <AlanBell> yeah, so i386 packages will install?
[19:04] <ali1234> yes, because of multiarch
[19:04] <ali1234> the natty i386 and amd64 packages have identical contents: 32 bit skype
[19:05] <AlanBell> yeah, I figured that bit out
[19:05] <ali1234> multiarch was specifically designed to remove this redundancy
[19:05] <ali1234> by letting you install the i386 package on either arch (or any other if you want)
[19:06] <ali1234> there is one difference between the natty packages: the 32 bit one depends on normal libs, the 64 bit one depends on the huge and horrid ia32libs package for 64 bit
[19:13] <AlanBell> it does
[19:13]  * AlanBell will be de-libbing later
[19:14] <AlanBell> so multiarch is nice and all, but how would I find the 32bit package if I am pointing at 64bit repos?
[19:15] <AlanBell> so in the partner archive canonical didn't put a 64bit package in for oneiric
[19:16] <ali1234> you put :i386 on the end of the package name
[19:16] <AlanBell> so oneiric users would not know it was there unless they go hunting for it
[19:16] <ali1234> eg sudo apt-get install skype:i386
[19:16] <ali1234> well if they search for skype in software center, or the dash, or synaptic, it will show up
[19:17] <AlanBell> gosh, didn't know that
[19:17] <ali1234> i'm not sure how exactly that works, but it does work
[19:17] <AlanBell> so it pulls the packages list from both repos?
[19:17] <ali1234> not sure
[19:17] <ali1234> but... yeah... it just works in the end
[19:18] <ali1234> i suspect that some stuff is duplicated
[19:18] <ali1234> otherwise i'd see lots of :arm stuff as well
[19:41] <diplo> evening  all
[19:41] <popey> Hello!
[20:15]  * AlanBell ponders hats http://www.hatsandcaps.co.uk/Bailey-Hats-Crushable-Wynn-Trilby--Black-P138899/
[20:15] <Azelphur> Does anyone have any good suggestions on how I could upload a /HUGE/ amount of data to my server?
[20:15] <Azelphur> Talking 200+GB
[20:15] <AlanBell> Azelphur: put it on a USB HDD, go to server, plug in HDD
[20:16] <Azelphur> AlanBell: put it on a USB HDD...buy a plane ticket... >.>
[20:16] <AlanBell> actually Amazon do offer a plane based service
[20:17] <diplo> Azelphur, I uploaded 50+gb to my server using rsync but throttled it down
[20:17] <diplo> and uploaded over a week or so
[20:18] <diplo> Otherwise AlanBell's option is honestly the best, most hosts offer the service
[20:18] <AlanBell> http://aws.amazon.com/importexport/#supported_devices
[20:18] <Azelphur> diplo: fun :P
[20:18] <diplo> Or go to a uni and use a janet line to sync with it quickly :P
[20:29] <popey> Azelphur: what's your uplink speed?
[20:29] <Azelphur> popey: It maxes out at about 100KB/sec, but anything above 30KB/sec makes the connection totally unusable for anything else
[20:31] <Azelphur> popey: we're talking about rendering super HD minecraft dynmaps :)
[20:33] <Guest70289> how do i get ubuntu support?
[20:33] <Azelphur> !ask | Guest
[20:34] <Azelphur> popey: one of my guys just had an interesting idea, the old server is just sitting around idle right now, render map on old server by beating the crap out of the CPU, then transfer it over, only concern now is disk size :)
[20:34] <Guest70289> i am new to ubuntu and currently have 11.10 on my macbook (early 2009) and cant get any sound through my headphones or any display through my tv through hdmi, any help appreciated
[20:35] <Azelphur> Guest70289: sound works through the speakers but not headphones?
[20:36] <Guest70289> yes
[20:36] <Azelphur> is it a macbook 2.1?
[20:36] <Guest70289> not sure of the top of my head
[20:37] <Azelphur> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=984949 this thread has a "interesting" solution
[20:42] <Guest70289> still no luck
[20:44] <Guest70289> how do i get my speakers to work?
[20:48] <Azelphur> Guest70289: really not sure, maybe popey will know he uses macbooks iirc
[20:49] <Guest70289> who is poppy
[20:49] <Guest70289> popey*
[20:50] <Azelphur> Guest70289: he's in here, he's probably afk right now so hang about, maybe he'll know when he gets back or someone else will have some ideas :)
[20:50] <Guest70289> ok thanks
[20:51] <popey> I gave up with my macbook and bought a computer that (for the most part) works
[20:52] <Azelphur> encouraging words from popey there :D
[20:52] <Guest70289> do you not know why my speaks & external monitor wont work?
[20:53] <Azelphur> Guest70289: not really, most Ubuntu users arn't the type to buy macbooks, you could try the forums though
[20:53] <Guest70289> macbook 1 - ubuntu 0
[20:53] <Guest70289> ok will try them
[20:58] <Azelphur> Guest70289: I'm not sure not releasing the specs for your hardware so that it can be supported anywhere but your OS is a point for the macbook, but each to his own
[21:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alistair McKinlay] We need to fix Linux - http://www.10people.co.uk/index.php/2012/02/we-need-to-fix-linux/
[21:12] <jacobw> normal people using linux :( how annoying
[21:13] <zleap> lol
[21:13] <Azelphur> jacobw: Indeed, normal people totally like to automatically mount remote file servers at boot.
[21:13] <Azelphur> I notice how all the things in that list are extremely difficult if not impossible to pull of on Windows. :)
[21:14] <jacobw> linux is for people who see than maintaining an fstab is actually easier than 'mapping drives'
[21:14] <zleap> linux is for people who want to plug in a usb stick and not worry about drive letters changing causing games to stop working
[21:15] <jacobw> lol
[21:21] <DJones> This is a good idea http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17105225 Wonder if there'll be anything similar for ubuntu when it makes it properly onto tablets
[21:26] <AlanBell> DJones: I was thinking of doing something with steno http://plover.stenoknight.com/
[21:27] <AlanBell> braille is just a different chording layout
[21:27] <AlanBell> well actually braille is a lot simpler as the words are the same and it is just chording letters
[21:29] <AlanBell> looks like touchscreen steno isn't such a good idea though
[21:29] <DJones> Looking at steno it looks like it has quite a few keys (more than the 6 on that bbc link anyway) I think that would be a problem for a somebody who was blind
[21:29] <AlanBell> yeah, it would
[21:30] <DJones> I like the idea behind the georgia tech app, only 6 buttons would probably make it quite easy to use, top, middle, bottom, left/right side of the screen
[21:31] <AlanBell> you need 8 for the full braille alphabet
[21:31] <DJones> Its a long time since I've written anything using braile
[21:35] <DJones> Free & open source app, so I guess potential for it to be developed onto linux based tablets
[21:36] <zleap> sounds good
[21:36] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/LibertusBraille.ttf
[21:36] <zleap> i remember suse had support for braile display years ago
[21:36] <zleap> braille
[21:42]  * mattt is in the market for a new chair
[21:42] <mattt> any recommendations?
[21:42] <AlanBell> aeron
[21:43] <mattt> hehe
[21:43] <popey> +1
[21:43] <mattt> i use a mirra at work, how does that compare to the aeron?
[21:44] <AlanBell> http://www.kingsofficefurniture.co.uk/special_offers.htm
[21:45] <mattt> AlanBell: am i blind ... what's the cost on there?
[21:45] <mattt> oh, n/m
[21:45] <DJones> mattt: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Aeron-Executive-Task-Chair-Size/dp/B0021B4BJW/ref=pd_sim_sbs_kh_2
[21:46] <AlanBell> mattt: I called them the other day and they had red ones for £225 +VAT
[21:46] <mattt> yeah, i've seen them on ebay for around that
[21:46] <mattt> AlanBell: let's go in together, bring price down :)
[21:46] <mattt> anyone else?
[21:47] <DJones> I have to say, that looks like a chair that should racing
[21:47] <mattt> DJones: sounds like you need a 'new' aeron :D
[21:47] <DJones> mattt: I prefer my reclining couch :)
[21:49] <AlanBell> when we get an office I will be kitting it out with aeron chairs
[21:49] <mattt> it's well worth it
[21:50] <AlanBell> the brand new price is a bit scary
[21:50] <AlanBell> but the mesh doesn't collapse like cushion chairs so second hand ones in good nick should be fine
[21:51] <mattt> yeah, let the city buy 'em new, and we can buy their old stuff :)
[21:51] <AlanBell> they just come from companies that have gone bust because they spent too much money on chairs
[21:52] <mattt> AlanBell: anyway, if you're looking at buying in the next few weeks, let me know :)
[21:52] <AlanBell> I think the stock is in southampton
[21:53] <mattt> cheaper if you buy more tho
[21:53] <directhex> grr, i can't get this damn thing to behave
[21:53] <AlanBell> might be up for buying a couple
[21:54] <AlanBell> see what TheOpenSourcerer says when he gets back from the pub
[21:54] <mattt> sounds good
[21:54] <popey> AlanBell: i might too
[21:55] <mattt> i'm heading out, but if you guys are seriously ordering let me know
[21:55] <mattt> i'm in reading, so pretty close to where you're at
[21:55] <mattt> anyway, afk for now
[23:01] <ali1234> i need to build a fake mouse
[23:03] <AlanBell> the type that might be chased by a fake cat?
[23:03] <ali1234> i've got a weird bug with precise. keep moving the mouse left for a long time and eventually the pointer goes right while also randomly going up and down
[23:03] <ali1234> so it zig zags to the right basically
[23:03] <ali1234> i'm fairly sure it's somehow related to the failure of the main launcher to reveal
[23:04] <ali1234> where main = the leftmost one
[23:05] <ali1234> try it. just keep pushing against the left edge