[05:24] good morning all [05:42] morning Kilos and #ubuntu-za [06:18] o/ morning oom Kilos [06:18] how are you? [06:19] hi there nuvolari , ok ty and you? [06:19] dont forget, monthly meeting here tonight hey? [07:05] morning Kilos, nuvolari, sakhi [07:05] morning superfly [07:05] hrm, I'm going to have to do my site upgrade while floating in the meeting [07:05] whew dont get distracted [07:05] hi sakhi [07:06] Kilos: it should be fine. there are times when I have to wait for 10-15 minutes for an action to complete [07:06] Kilos: but it's a big upgrade, will likely take about 4-5 hours [07:06] lol i meant from the upgrade not the meet [07:06] hehe [07:06] whew thats a big one [07:07] It is, and that's only half of the planned complete upgrade [07:07] wow [07:08] But I can do it in two stages, and the other half I will do later this year [07:09] ah is everything not dependant on everything else [07:09] like doesnt work right till upgrade is complete [07:14] btw, tumbleweed, the db should be a little smaller [07:15] mornings superfly [07:15] I'm doing good oom Kilos, thanks [07:28] superfly: thanks [07:31] tumbleweed: I "denied" 3 chinese domains, and that seems to have stopped most of the spam... though I'm close to denying yahoo.com, hotmail.com and gmail.com :-/ [07:39] ouch [07:55] hi maiatoday :-) [07:56] hi superfly [08:02] morning maiatoday [08:02] hi Kilos [08:02] you gonna make the meet tonight maiatoday ? [08:03] I'll try [08:41] who's got the powers to change the #ubuntu-za topic? 15 Aug is long gone [08:41] Today's agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20120220#Agenda [08:48] nope, I don't. [10:54] hmmm agenda here too? http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/353/detail/ [12:00] maiatoday: I think the wiki is more flexible and suggested last night that we should just make a link from the loco page to the wiki [12:01] much better if we keep things in one place [12:01] * inetpro has never edited the loco page [12:02] I would rather leave that to our officials :-) [12:02] inetpro: which officials? we don't have any [12:03] hehe we used to use the wiki but is was suuuper slow at one point. The loco site makes adding an agenda point easy and it seems that most locos are using that for visibility because it appears on the map on the front of the page etc etc [12:04] it also means other people who are interested in our events see it whereas they probably won't see it in the wiki [12:04] superfly: Team Admin(s): David Rubin, maiatoday, Morgan Collett [12:05] I don't actually care, I was under the impression we sortof shifted over. but no matter let's see what kbmonkey wants to do [12:05] maiatoday: hmm... according to kbmonkey the loco site was quite buggy (at least last night) [12:06] ok, I tell you what, I'll go in the ubuntu loco channel and ask them [12:11] hrm, didn't we have a vote at our last annual meeting to decide on the loco contacts? and shouldn't they be on that list? [12:11] ok we can choose [12:12] looks like the current trend is to make the meeting in loco.ubuntu.com with agenda items there and then paste minutes in the wiki and link to it in the loco event. [12:13] you guys know you don't need officials don't you ... :D ... You can do it! [12:13] hey, guess what? I blogged! http://blog.saturnlaboratories.co.za/archive/2012/02/20/successful-ubuntu-hour-cape-town-held-11th-february [12:13] yay for superfly, we'll have something for our monthly report again [12:13] hehe [12:21] (14:19:39) head_victim: maiatoday: we had timezone issues with loco.u.c until we assigned our IRC channel venue a local timezone. [12:21] (14:20:01) head_victim: So we all thought it was buggy for ical feeds but foudn out it was more how we were trying to use it [12:24] the benefit of using loco.ubuntu.com is it appears here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ [12:35] maiatoday: interesting [12:38] I think we should just figure how to use those pages effectively and try to eliminate duplication as far as possible [12:38] ok I set the team time zone to africa/johannesburg and set the meeting time zone to the same. [12:39] that guy said they had ical issues [12:39] I gree we shouldn't duplicate [12:39] the other benefit of the loco site is you don't need to know how to edit a wiki to add an agenda item [12:39] maiatoday: editing a wiki is really very easy [12:39] urgh, the loco site is SLOW\ [12:40] well so is the wiki oftentimes [12:40] maiatoday: and a wiki has full revision control [12:40] well maybe we should decide tonight [12:41] both have benefits imho but I don't want to(probably can't :) ) enforce anything [12:41] and the ubuntu wiki is a massive source of information [12:42] I agree with maiatoday though... the loco site is meant for showing loco activities, so from that perspective it would be in our interests to use it as much as possible. [12:42] the loco site has a map that looks like jelly tots, has a twitter feed and is new :D [12:43] there is a place for both [12:43] but please no duplication [12:43] * inetpro also hates duplication [12:43] Loco for "events" and wiki for minutes, etc? [12:44] superfly: define events [12:44] what about the Agenda? [12:45] inetpro: well, the loco has the ability to add an agenda to a meeting. [12:46] can you re-order and or edit items after adding them? [12:46] um, I saw something of the sort just now... not 100% sure of ordering, but you can set up parentage [12:51] I must say those links like "...353/detail/" don't make sense to me, in the wiki our links are properly structured for ease of navigation [12:51] yeesh inetpro, you're finding any excuse possible to not like the loco site! :-P [12:52] * inetpro lol [12:56] why are those links added to the loco agenda not clickable? [13:00] maybe there's some sort of markup? [13:09] inetpro: the only issue I have with the wiki is that it is not visible... visibility to the loco council matters at re-approval time, and the loco directory seems to be more visible [13:09] inetpro: oh, and you can order the items :-) [13:10] superfly: see how many others do it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam [13:10] we can use both [13:11] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-california/348/detail/ [13:12] inetpro: that's pretty much what I was suggesting [13:12] well, except for maybe the agenda, but I didn't specifically say we must use the loco for the agenda [13:13] :-) [13:15] I just don't want us to get to a meeting where the chair is posting agenda items from one system while others have added agenda items on another [13:16] at the start of the meeting, the agenda in finalised, and that's that [13:17] tumbleweed: good point [13:18] I guess that should also be a standard point in the agenda [13:18] one acn always have an "any other business" item at the end [13:55] hows the upgrade superfly [13:55] Kilos: only tonight, oom. [13:55] oh sorry [13:56] now i only understand. i thought you were doing the upgrade while at a meeting at work [13:56] whew im slow [13:56] No, I was talking about the monthly meeting tonight. [13:57] just realised that [13:58] :-) [14:00] but you are a reliable guy and dont miss meets even if you lurk some there, so you could be forgiven [14:00] its everyone else that needs waking up [14:01] like beer parties instead [14:01] lol we see if Ton reads logs [14:02] he has the funniest name ( citation needed) [14:03] gonna mock him some [14:21] bbl [15:20] * tumbleweed waves to hjoubert [15:20] hi tumbleweed :) [15:20] you ruined my lurking [15:21] you gave yourself away :P [15:21] I will be more sneaky next time [15:42] skuus inetpro gedink jy meen tiny-core-linux nou die dag, dis die een wat in toeval toegang geheue werk [15:43] hehe maybe english works better in the pc world [16:34] inetpro: I am technically Team admin although I have been asking for more then 1.5 years for some one to take it over. Even though on paper I am team lead I technically don't have time and I don't do any thing other then admin the list. [16:35] I am sorry, but no one else stepped up to take it over officially, No one wanted the responsibility. :( [16:37] ok i have mobile internet [16:39] hiya Tonberry_aao [16:39] drubin: I would take it over from you, except I'm in the same situation [16:41] superfly: :) thanks, but sadly we need some person that has time and cares [16:42] sadly the eople that care are often busy with life and work [16:42] yeah [16:42] that too [17:12] o/ all... meeting yes? [17:17] *kriek* [17:18] * nlsthzn seems to have the date or time wrong then?! [17:21] 15 august? [17:21] i sense a trap [17:24] good evening superfly kbmonkey and other peeps [17:24] hiya Kilos [17:24] Tonberry_aao: old, and no one has changed the channel title [17:24] hi [17:24] maaz coffee on [17:24] * Maaz washes some mugs [17:24] lol hiya Tonberry_aao [17:25] thats a funny tail you got [17:25] and yes Kilos i do read logs [17:25] Ok [17:25] ha ha ha [17:25] acer aspire one [17:25] naand Meesterarend1 [17:25] this little netbook thingy [17:25] looks busy [17:25] :) [17:25] Kilos, meeting tonight? [17:25] hey Kilos [17:26] Meesterarend1, we have our monthly meeting in a few minutes [17:26] glad you here [17:26] hi nlsthzn yip [17:26] That why I'm here :) [17:27] drubin: I don't mean to blame you at all [17:27] good evening everyone [17:27] hi drubin inetpro [17:27] how is everyone? [17:28] i asked in the lists if anyone will join us [17:28] we'll start in a couple minutes [17:28] * inetpro is on time for a change [17:28] got no reply [17:28] yeah inetpro [17:28] gonna rain [17:28] :-) [17:28] Coffee's ready for kbmonkey! [17:29] We already had a few storms today [17:29] maybhe one needs to make irc like achallenge to the lists guys [17:29] aw kbmonkey you didnt say he was making coffee [17:29] queery: /me crashes into the party to say hi [17:30] Tonberry_aao, what about the beer thing [17:30] we could offer free bits and bytes to irc atendees [17:30] lol [17:30] * Tonberry_aao is at the beer evening [17:31] okay let's get to it [17:31] greetings! [17:31] ah found a link for you today [17:31] we'll make sure you have plenty beer time Tonberry_aao [17:31] hi octoquad [17:31] hey Kilos :) [17:31] hi octoquad inetpro nlsthzn nuvolari Kilos superfly [17:31] http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f84/beersmith-just-released-deb-linux-users-297594/ [17:32] kbmonkey: you ready with the agenda? [17:32] yes, a nice list we have [17:32] Maaz: start meeting on Monthly Ubuntu IRC meet [17:32] kbmonkey: Sorry... [17:32] oops [17:32] Maaz, I am Miles Sharpe [17:32] Kilos: Huh? [17:32] uh oh [17:33] um, hang on. I forgot Maaz's commands :p [17:33] lol [17:33] Maaz: start meeting about Monthly Ubuntu IRC meet [17:33] * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles [17:33] * Kilos dont feel so bad anymore [17:33] lol [17:34] Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer [17:34] inetpro: Done [17:34] Maaz, i am Hendrik van Wyk [17:34] Tonberry_aao: Righto [17:34] For those new here, tell Maaz our bot your name like so: [17:34] Maaz, I am Bruce Pieterse [17:34] octoquad: Done [17:34] Maaz, I am Miles Sharpe [17:34] Kilos: Alrighty [17:34] Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman [17:34] superfly: Alrighty [17:34] Maaz: I am Wesley Werner [17:34] kbmonkey: Yessir [17:34] I am oupamster [17:34] hmm he be a sir [17:34] Maaz: I am Frans de Waal [17:34] Meesterarend1: Alrighty [17:34] Maaz, I'm Hannes Coetzee [17:34] ScorpKing: What? [17:34] * ScorpKing waves [17:34] Maaz: I am Stefano Rivera [17:34] tumbleweed: Alrighty [17:35] plustwo: just put Maaz in front [17:35] ScorpKing: Maaz doesn't read contractions, lol [17:35] Mazzini: I am oupamster [17:35] * inetpro lol [17:36] Welcome everyone, to our monthly irc meeting [17:36] kbmonkey: sorted it out in pm [17:36] Maaz: I'm oupamster [17:36] plustwo: Excuse me? [17:36] plustwo, I am [17:36] k [17:36] lol, sorry all... bath and bed for me :( hoped to catch the first half... cheers [17:36] toods nlsthzn [17:37] sleep tight [17:37] grrr [17:37] Maaz: I am oupamster [17:37] plustwo: Alrighty [17:37] Tonight we have an action-packed agenda. [17:37] garaman, welcome to the meeting login please [17:38] welcome psydroid [17:38] hi psydroid you made it [17:38] login [17:38] kbmonkey: I guess not everyone has seen the agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20120220#Agenda [17:38] tell maaz who you are: "Maaz, I am " [17:39] confluency, you here?? [17:39] Maaz: topic Review Previous minutes [17:39] Current Topic: Review Previous minutes [17:39] kbmonkey: just yell when you need me, I'm busy upgrading a site, so I'm partially distracted [17:39] I am Graham Poulter [17:39] sure superfly, I will ping you in that case :) [17:40] Maaz, I am Graham Poulter [17:40] garaman_: Yessir [17:40] our only point in the prev minutes is the Ubuntu hours. How did the CT hour go? [17:40] Are there any photos for us to put on the site? [17:41] lol ping the fly [17:41] hmm, http://ubuntu-za.org/ is out of date [17:41] (nothing too embrassing please) [17:41] It went well, we had 8 folks... maiatoday took some photos [17:41] okay I will email maia to send some nice pics, we can put them on the site later [17:42] kbmonkey: they are on her blog [17:42] Maaz: agreed kbmonkey to email maia for CT Ubuntu hour pics [17:42] Agreed: kbmonkey to email maia for CT Ubuntu hour pics [17:42] both her blog post and my blog post are linked in the agenda [17:42] kbmonkey: superfly just blogged about it http://blog.saturnlaboratories.co.za/archive/2012/02/20/successful-ubuntu-hour-cape-town-held-11th-february [17:42] oh they are? okay even better [17:42] there's a link to the photos [17:44] wonderful. sorry I missed that, haven't been reading blogs much lately [17:44] one request can everyone give their blog addy and site url to Maaz [17:45] Maaz, superfly.blog [17:45] Kilos: superfly.blog is http://blog.saturnlaboratories.co.za [17:45] like that [17:45] which leads to our next, topic, upcoming events (lets shift to ubuntu hour first) [17:45] Maaz: topic Upcoming Ubuntu Hours [17:45] Current Topic: Upcoming Ubuntu Hours [17:45] Maaz, octoquad.blog [17:45] octoquad: Huh? [17:46] Maaz, octoquad.blog http://www.otq.za.net/ [17:46] octoquad: Excuse me? [17:46] how do we set our blogs with Maaz , Kilos ? [17:46] help here please lol [17:46] one needs to say maaz nick blog is [17:46] maaz octoquad blog is http://www.otq.za.net/ [17:46] octoquad: One learns a new thing every day [17:46] octoquad: you can "/msg Maaz help" to see what all she can do [17:46] sweet [17:46] you forgot the [17:47] maaz octoquad.blog [17:47] octoquad: Sorry... [17:47] ill do it [17:47] Who is keen to have an Ubuntu hour in your local area? [17:47] anyone from durban? [17:47] Maaz, octoquad .blog is http://www.otq.za.net/ [17:47] Kilos: Got it [17:47] Ta Kilos :) [17:47] octoquad, done [17:48] yw [17:48] Maaz, garaman.blog is http://blog.grahampoulter.com [17:48] garaman_: Got it [17:49] The idea behind Ubuntu Hour is to go out and meet somewhere public, with Ubuntu logos or stickers on your laptop -- [17:49] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hour [17:49] Where can I get stickers? [17:50] I'd also like stickers :) [17:50] kbmonkey, ask maia [17:50] find it: http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=718 [17:50] she had some made some time back [17:51] I scoped out the venues and think I'll have an Ubuntu Hour this weekend, in tiny Pietermaritzburg :) [17:51] I also have a bunch of stickers that drubin made some years back, shiny "Ubuntu Inside" stickers - will bring them next meetup [17:52] no one else? [17:53] kbmonkey, maybe someone has them and can mail the picks to the list then everyone can print their own [17:53] those with colour printers that is [17:54] Email to the mail list for ubuntu hour stagings [17:54] okay so next is the jam... mmm [17:54] Maaz: topic Upcoming global jam [17:54] Current Topic: Upcoming global jam [17:55] good idea Kilos. I think the logos are also on the ubuntu webiste [17:55] ah [17:56] the Global Jam is 2-4 March [17:56] the page is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam [17:56] just nothing thats a meg a pick [17:57] aha, I added that agenda item [17:57] we had a fairly successful small jam in cape town, last cycle [17:57] yes thanks to tumbleweed for adding our shiny agenda items :D [17:57] it'd be nice to do something like that again [17:57] I wanted to do something while highvoltage was here, but I didn't organise it... [17:58] anyone feel like making it happen? [17:58] I'd like to be more involved in the Jam myself [17:58] I'm limited to online activity, but that's still okay [17:58] sure [17:59] question: does the Jam work on the latest release? [17:59] the development release [17:59] although we could do anything [18:00] I see one of the requirements is a decent net connection [18:00] that's where many of us fall flat [18:00] we can still help with translations [18:00] * tumbleweed is happy to host a tiny jam doing some packaging stuff [18:00] but it'd be nice if we did other things too [18:01] yes, translations! [18:01] Maaz: I am Henk Joubert [18:01] hjoubert: Righto [18:01] I'd like to do bug hunting too. [18:01] hjoubert: hi. (Henk is also in Cape Town) [18:01] one of the items say Answer questions on askubuntu.com [18:02] I would be happy to help however I can [18:02] that helps new users and builds awareness [18:02] watch out, askubuntu is addictive :) [18:02] the link is http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/2565/how-can-we-participate-in-the-ubuntu-global-jam [18:02] the stackexcahnge range of sites are all addictive! [18:03] great quality answers there, i encourage all new users to sign up there [18:03] anyway, sounds like there is some interest [18:03] does anyone want to try and organise it? (I was hoping to avoid doing that myself) [18:04] I recon we promote the jm on our loco site, maybe even hack up a neat ZA-esque logo for the jam [18:04] do you mean organizing real-life meetups for the jam tumbleweed ? [18:05] kbmonkey: I mean the real-life component of the jam. The online bit should be straightforward enough [18:06] the simplest way, is to mail the list about this to see who is keen in which areas [18:07] probably [18:07] the list has more eyes than irc [18:07] yeah [18:08] Maaz: idea email the list about the Global jam for 2-4 March -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam [18:08] Idea recorded: email the list about the Global jam for 2-4 March -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam [18:09] anything to add? [18:10] everyone is busy or shy :) [18:10] hehe [18:10] beer evening scheduling [18:10] okay, next... [18:10] both...maybe just not much to add :-X [18:10] Maaz: topic Precise Pangolin release parties (26 April 2012) [18:10] Current Topic: Precise Pangolin release parties (26 April 2012) [18:11] thats okay Meesterarend1, all details we can chat about on irc in the week or via the mailing list [18:12] mmm, it would be awesome to have a really visible release party, but it takes lots of effort :-( [18:12] So I'm keen to get a copy of this release, and think a durban release party is called for [18:12] like not a bunch of people rocking up at a restaurant, but like a mini computer fair or something [18:13] kbmonkey, guys like william on the lists get involved there [18:13] I love that idea! [18:13] * inetpro is hoping that somebody will arrange another release party at Irene or even closer to Pretoria [18:13] hi POps [18:13] just not sure whether I'll attend [18:14] are we going to do one in cape town or stellenbosch this time? [18:14] I'm not sure either, it's still a way off though [18:14] Hi there - wondered if I was alone! [18:14] kbmonkey: true [18:14] no POps you in the ubuntu monthly meeting [18:14] this is just to get us to think about it so long [18:14] welcome [18:14] i vote stellenbosch but only because it is convenient for me [18:14] hi POps [18:15] Thanks - I am in the right place - I just arrived in a period of complete silence [18:15] POps, you know how to sign in? [18:15] I like visiting stellenbosch for release parties if someone there can organise it [18:15] I thought I was? [18:15] anybody doing something in Bloemfontein? [18:15] kbmonkey: I suggest we keep talking about it on the ML and on IRC, next time we may have a date or two [18:16] POps: we're in the middle of our monthly meeting :-) [18:16] Tonberry: if you want, contact those in your area and ask :) [18:16] type in maaz I am name [18:16] POps: so the perfect time to pop in :-) [18:16] will do [18:16] okay, next... [18:16] wow we have a nice agenda tonight [18:16] I came in because of the monthly meeting! [18:17] great POps ty [18:17] Maaz: topic Linux Studies -- http://linux-studies.za.net [18:17] Current Topic: Linux Studies -- http://linux-studies.za.net [18:17] ty? [18:17] thank you [18:17] POps: type "Maaz: I am FirstName Surname" so that your name appears in the minutes [18:18] For mentions, some of us peeps here are doing self-study for Linux [18:18] anyone is welcome to join, you don't have to write any exams at the end if you just want to learn with us [18:18] Maaz: I am Bill Cairns [18:18] POps: Done [18:18]