[00:01] <ScottL> len, looking briefly, i light the effort you put into it though :)
[00:01] <ScottL> but it looks pretty good at this point, but again, i need to think more about it
[00:07] <len-nb> ScottL: I'll clean it up anyway. (*.directory files and remove the mailer)
[00:09] <len-nb> It may be better to fix up the panels first as they are broken right now.
[00:10] <len-nb> As that is all one file I can fix it and send an attach in email.
[00:13] <len-nb> All: while breaking the audio production menu into smaller bits may be a pain to the user who knows what each app does, the new user may find having everything separated into function easier to use.
[00:38] <len-nb> ScottL: One more thing I wanted to ask (and anyone else who adds something)
[00:39] <len-nb> Could you announce when you upload any change?
[00:39] <len-nb> I then know to look for something new and what to check. it would mean feedback the next day pretty much.
[00:56] <len-nb> ScottL: Just looked at the new files you uploaded... lightdm.conf in particular.
[00:57] <len-nb> You have changed the default session, but did not add the greeter-session=lightdm-gtk-greeter line. I thought that was needed for lightdm to work right.
[01:00] <len-nb> I guess the postinst is supposed to do that.
[01:00] <len-nb> I think it should set the default session too.
[01:01] <ScottL> len, i believe that also (the postinst configures lightdm and set correct config file)
[01:01] <ScottL> len, i also think i understand why some icons are not showing up in the menu/panels
[01:02] <ScottL> len, when micah uploaded the -icon-theme package he removed some of the icons that i had included (which was based on xubuntu's work)
[01:03] <ScottL> i should note that he had good reason to do what he did, but i think we will probably still need them, especially for the menu icon and other ubuntustudio icon locations
[01:04]  * micahg wonders what he excluded
[01:05] <ScottL> micahg, there should have been quite a few pixmaps directories
[01:05] <micahg> ScottL: IIRC, you already dropped all the icons, I just fixed the transitional packages so you got what you thought you were getting
[01:06] <ScottL> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/xubuntu-artwork/precise/files/head:/usr/share/
[01:07] <micahg> ScottL: I think that's a bug :)
[01:07] <ScottL> there are icon and pixmaps directory that aren't there anymore
[01:07] <ScottL> lol
[01:07] <ScottL> i'm not really sure about where they should go (as far as which package) but i think we still need to include some of those
[01:07] <micahg> well, the pixmaps are xubuntu specific, the icons should be broken out so US can use them as well
[01:08] <micahg> I mentioned it to ochosi before, but not sure what happened with that
[01:08] <ScottL> i think the pixmaps in this case were the menu icons, distributor icons, etc
[01:08] <micahg> but, as I said, I didn't drop anything in the icons package, you did all that :)
[01:09] <ScottL> really?
[01:09] <ScottL> crap, then maybe i forgot to 'bzr add' ?
[01:09] <micahg> ScottL: bzr log -p | less
[01:09] <ScottL> i'm not on that machine currently :/
[01:09] <ScottL> but i can do it in a bit though
[01:09] <micahg> no, you can run that on a checkout of the branch
[01:10] <ScottL> sorry about saying you did it, i saw that you had made some changes and presumed you had removed the icons as well
[01:10] <ScottL> especially since you said you had been talking with ochosi
[01:10] <len-nb> ScottL: I was just noticing that. You are right the icon is speced right so it must not be there.
[01:10] <micahg> I wouldn't do that without asking :), however, adding the same icons to US-icon-theme isn't a good idea, we should just get it broken out from xubuntu-artwork and add it to the meta dependency
[01:11] <ScottL> but i would still need to add the pixmaps for the distributor logo
[01:12] <ScottL> i need to still do the LTS application, the mudita syncrequest, and something else tonight (after taking one of the kids into town)
[01:12] <ScottL> i won't get to this tonight, but i really want to do it soon
[03:02] <Len-1204> ScottL: When adding to the change log please add date. It looks like the default-settings package I can download is today's, but I am not sure The last dated entry is Jan30 and your's is after that... 
[03:04] <Len-1204> What I was looking at is the changelog in properties from synaptic.
[03:06] <Len-1204> Looking at LP, there is a date on the top change but not the one below.
[03:11] <Len-1204> Having done some more looking... it may be that two things were done the same day. My mistake.
[03:11] <Len-1204> Still learning how to read these things
[03:20] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, looks like quadrispro hasn't finalized the mudita24.desktop update yet
[03:20] <scott-upstairs> i see it in their git repo, but it doesn't look like it's been released yet though :(
[03:22] <Len-1204> scott-upstairs: Re: mudita24, if we add it as is. when the package gets up dated wouldn't our iso pull in the new one?
[03:23] <scott-upstairs> Len-1204, yes, it should
[03:24] <Len-1204> But you would like to get the sync request in.
[03:24] <scott-upstairs> although the package will not get updated this cycle unless we file a sync request with reason since we are past debian import freeze
[03:24] <scott-upstairs> aye
[03:24] <Len-1204> What time frame?
[03:24] <Len-1204> Before we have to have it for 1204
[03:28] <scott-upstairs> refreshing the meta packages is not a trivial task, therefore before i ask micah or another to do such a thing i like to make sure that it is for a fairly non-trivial reason
[03:29] <scott-upstairs> therefore i have not been particularly in a hurry to include it in the seeds at this point
[03:29] <scott-upstairs> but i seem to remember that the iso starting including these items anyways
[03:29] <scott-upstairs> so i guess i probably will go ahead and put it in there tonight
[03:31] <Len-1204> Just found out AT1 is under z ... no wonder I couldn't find it.
[03:35] <scott-upstairs> mudita24 added to seeds now
[03:36] <Len-1204> I'll check for it tomorrow.
[03:37] <ScottL> i sent the lts plan proposal to the technical board tonight
[03:38] <ScottL> now i just have to figure out when and where the board will meet :/
[04:13] <Len-1204> ScottL: we are missing an icon called ffado  as it is a mixer, the alsa-tools icon could be copied to that name.
[04:24] <ScottL> Len-1204, i seem to remember that ffado might not ever have had a proper icon, maybe not and i'm just misremembering
[04:25] <Len-1204> Like i say we can use the same one all the other mixers use.
[04:26] <Len-1204> ScottL: putting another icon in is less intrusive than mucking with the *.desktop file.
[05:16] <Len-1204> ScottL:  Hexter is also missing it's icon... suggest a copy of phasex.xpm
[05:16] <Len-1204> Or link
[06:43] <astraljava> scott-upstairs: I'll check when I get home. It might be in sid, but just not synced.
[07:10] <Len-1204> ScottL: and anyone else http://www.ovenwerks.net/UStudiodocs/menu.html has been updated refresh if you are looking again.
[07:11] <Len-1204> The director icons/text has been fixed and the rest of the apps moved as needed.
[07:11] <Len-1204> There has already been one comment against any menu changes from stock on the list.
[07:13] <Len-1204> Good night, comments left here will be seen tomorrow. or the use list.
[16:26] <scott-work> micahg:  are you able to help me upload the changes to the ubuntustudio-default-settings and ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme packages?
[17:28] <micahg> scott-work: yeah, I have to upload chromium first, but then I'll get to sponsoring
[17:29] <scott-work> micahg: do you wish me to add sponsors to the bug report
[17:34] <micahg> scott-work: did you fix what I mentioned last night about default-settings?
[17:40] <scott-work> micahg: i'm sorry, i don't remember which part that was, can you tell me again?
[17:42]  * scott-work is checking logs now
[17:42] <micahg> ScottL: you generally want to leave those changelogs as UNRELEASED until they're ready, as for ubuntustudio-default-settings, you didn't mention the gesttings override change, also, does ubuntustudio have greybird anymore (moved to shimmer-themes), plus IIRC elementary-xfce-dark is xubuntu specific ATM, so i'm not sure you have this either (this is something Xubuntu needs to fix)
[17:46] <scott-work> micahg: i will leave the changelogs as UNRELEASED from here forward
[17:47] <scott-work> micahg:  i'm not sure about mentioning the gsettings, but i trust that you are correct
[17:47] <micahg> so, as discussed last night, to use the xfce dark theme, you'll need to seed xubuntu-icon-theme
[17:47] <micahg> scott-work: bzr log -p -rtag:0.28..
[17:48] <scott-work> micahg: i think we shoudl depend on xubuntu-icon-theme in -default-settings then so people can "upgrade" to ubuntu studio from vanilla and it will pull it in
[17:48] <micahg> installing a default-settings package is a poor way to get US, usually we recommend installing the appropriate -desktop package, hence the idea to seed it
[17:50] <scott-work> oh, yeah...sorry, wasn't thinking about the -meta file
[17:50] <scott-work> i think most instructions i've seen has recommended installing all the individual packages actually
[17:51] <scott-work> and i don't think any have said to install ubuntustudio-desktop
[17:51] <scott-work> which would have made things probably a little less troublesome
[17:52] <micahg> that's wrong too :)
[17:52] <micahg> ubuntustudio-desktop should get you a working base US on top of vanilla Ubuntu
[17:52] <micahg> if not, the seeds should be fixed
[17:53] <micahg> now, base US is whatever you want it to be :)
[17:57] <scott-work> okay, i'll add xubuntu-icon-theme to the ubuntustudio-desktop seed then
[17:58] <scott-work> i'll follow up later tonight about which theme and icon theme names to use
[18:02] <micahg> scott-work: do you want elementary-icon-theme as an option still as well?
[18:03] <micahg> it's currently pulled in by ubuntustudio-icon-theme, if it's not needed, then we can drop that source, if it is, I'd suggest a recommends in the seed next to the xubuntu-icon-theme
[18:05] <scott-work> micahg: basically what i want is what xubuntu is doing because i like the way it looks
[18:06] <micahg> ok, so can I drop the ubuntustudio-icon-theme package after we upload the meta with the new icons and the default settings with them selected?
[18:07] <micahg> you also have the ubuntustudio-look package
[18:07] <micahg> hmm, maybe the icons should just go there
[18:09] <scott-work> micahg:  some of the packaging choices seem unwieldy now, although i'm sure there were reasons at the time
[18:09] <micahg> scott-work: ah, so, ubuntustudio-icon-theme is currently seeded, you'll want to replace that with xubuntu-icon-theme with a comment so people aren't shocked by it
[18:10] <scott-work> micahg: okay, so the direct answer at this time is to replace ubuntustudio-icon-theme with xubuntu-icon-theme in the desktop seed and comment
[18:11] <scott-work> then i also need to update ubuntustudio-default-settings and ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme with the correct theme and icon theme names
[18:11] <micahg> scott-work: well, it'll be easy to drop the icon theme once this round of uploads is done, the rest can be cleaned up next cycle if you want (it doesn't seem to be too bad)
[18:11] <micahg> yep, just give me a bug with all of them in there so I upload them together
[18:12] <scott-work> hehe, right now i just want to fix lightdm so we can boot into the isntall so we can debug the -rt privliges and pulseaudio<->jack bridging :P
[18:12] <scott-work> micahg: this will probably wait until tomorrow night as tonight i need to prepare for a work meeting that takes place tomorrow
[18:12] <micahg> ok, well, if that has changes not affected by this, I can upload that separately and we can do another upload later with the icon changes
[18:24] <scott-work> micahg: the changes that i made already should fix the lightdm issues (i believe), mainly they were:
[18:24] <scott-work> 1. updating the postinst files to properly configure lightdm with the correct configuration file
[18:25] <scott-work> 2. updating the path for the lidghtdm background image
[18:25] <scott-work> 3. setting the default session=ubuntustudio
[18:25] <scott-work> this should get the boot to progress to the lightdm greeter now instead of hanging
[18:26] <micahg> ok, I can look at that in a bit then
[18:27] <scott-work> i can also update the desktop seed for xubuntu-icon-theme (and comment) this evening as it is a minor adjustment and won't take much time
[18:36] <scott-work> thanks again for your help micahg, i'm sorry i'm being difficult, again, we certainly wouldn't get nearly as much done without you
[18:37] <micahg> huh, no complaints from my end :)
[18:38]  * holstein high-fives scott-work & micahg !
[18:39]  * micahg ^5 holstein
[18:44] <scott-work> thanks you too
[18:44] <scott-work> err
[18:44] <scott-work> thanks, you two
[18:44] <scott-work> work has been very difficult for a while and i'm really feeling pressure here lately and i'm a little fragile about stuff
[18:45] <scott-work> i'm not going to get fired or anything, but there are situations here where i'm being asked to do too much and the stress is a little bothersome and i'm trying to address some of these issues
[18:45] <scott-work> and the meeting at work tomorrow is one aspect of this
[18:46] <scott-work> we've been also discussing hiring more people and replacing a few others because of quality issues
[18:46] <scott-work> this will also address some of these issues as well
[18:47] <scott-work> sorry if that was a little akward for anyone, but i wanted to expain a few things and why the meeting is rather important
[18:47] <scott-work>  
[18:47] <scott-work> holstein: i got an email from dick macinnins with some backgrounds for plymouth, lightdm, and desktop images
[18:48] <scott-work> i'd call them a work in progress but they're okay right now
[18:48] <micahg> scott-work: I can make the icon changes later tonight if you like so you don't have to worry about it?
[18:48] <scott-work> not quite as thematically linked as i would like but it's a starting place
[18:49] <scott-work> micahg: either way, changing the icon theme in the seed should quite literally be a five minute (or less) task
[18:49] <scott-work> holstein: oh, and note quite a gray as i would have liked either ;)
[22:45] <len1204> ScottL, and whoever else would like to know. mudita24 is in todays iso, good. however, it gives some interesting error reports.
[22:46] <len1204> ubuntu-studio@ubuntu-studio:~$ mudita24 
[22:46] <len1204> ALSA lib conf.c:1220:(parse_def) show is not a compound
[22:46] <len1204> ALSA lib conf.c:1686:(snd_config_load1) _toplevel_:24:26:Unexpected char
[22:46] <len1204> ALSA lib conf.c:3406:(config_file_open) /usr/share/alsa/pulse-alsa.conf may be old or corrupted: consider to remove or fix it
[22:46] <len1204> using	 --- input_channels: 4
[22:46] <len1204> 	 --- output_channels: 4
[22:46] <len1204> 	 --- pcm_output_channels: 8
[22:46] <len1204> 	 --- spdif in/out channels: 2
[22:47] <len1204> It is telling us we have a bad /usr/share/alsa/pulse-alsa.conf file.
[22:47] <len1204> I am wondering if this would have anything to do with our jack-pa bridging problem.
[22:50] <len1204> That file does not "look" corrupted to me. I don't know what all the stuff means for sure but it makes sense.
[22:51] <len1204> I am not sure if this should be filed as a bug against PA of mudita24.
[22:52] <len1204> When I tried the last version of mudita24 when we were thinking of syncing, I did not get these errors.
[22:53] <len1204> When I reboot, I will try it against an older (10.04 I think) version of US.
[22:53] <astraljava> quadrispro: Maybe you don't have mudita hilights, so pinging you directly. :) ^^
[23:13] <len1204> mudita24 seems to work ok.  Pulse does some funny things with it.. or the sound card.
[23:14] <len1204> I was at first suprised to see all the monitor outputs with audio, but then realized that pulse was sending sound to all of those channels.
[23:15] <len1204> I am running todays iso live so I haven't set the cards in the right order.
[23:17] <len1204> but pulse is happy to send the sound to jacksink. Jacksink has 10 outputs so PA tries to make sense of what is there.
[23:18] <len1204> it does a good enough job... after all the idea is to get sound out.
[23:19] <ailo> mudita24 will only communicate directly with the sound card
[23:19] <ailo> Just like envy24
[23:20] <len1204> Yup.
[23:21] <len1204> Running the off card as hw0 gets rid of all my jack-PA bridging problems.
[23:22] <len1204> Jack goes to hw1.
[23:27] <len1204> Wow, my ensonic card and PA->jack is really bad!
[23:27] <len1204> 4214 xruns
[23:28] <len1204> and climbing
[23:28] <len1204> with no audio.
[23:30] <len1204> 23:28:53.470 Client deactivated.
[23:30] <len1204> 23:29:18.480 D-BUS: JACK server could not be stopped. Sorry
[23:30] <len1204> Mon Feb 20 23:28:53 2012: Client 'qjackctl' with PID 3898 is out
[23:30] <len1204> Mon Feb 20 23:28:53 2012: Stopping jack server...
[23:30] <len1204> Mon Feb 20 23:28:53 2012: Client 'system' with PID 0 is out
[23:30] <len1204> Mon Feb 20 23:28:53 2012: Client 'PulseAudio JACK Sink' with PID 3927 is out
[23:30] <len1204> Mon Feb 20 23:28:53 2012: Client 'PulseAudio JACK Source' with PID 3927 is out
[23:30] <len1204> 23:29:48.968 D-BUS: JACK server could not be stopped. Sorry
[23:31] <len1204> Hmm, now I can't stop jack.
[23:43] <len1204> Ok, kill -9 will stop anything...
[23:44] <len1204> Installing, slide show still flashes at slide change... differently as the video card is different.
[23:44] <len1204> Hopefully this will be corrected when we have a theme in place.
[23:46] <len1204> There seems to be a problem with how ubiquity looks for sources of software.
[23:47] <len1204> syslog shows: Feb 20 23:42:03 ubuntu-studio ubiquity: W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://a
[23:47] <len1204> rchive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/multiverse i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt
[23:47] <len1204> ckages)
[23:47] <len1204> Feb 20 23:42:03 ubuntu-studio ubiquity: W: You may want to run apt-get update to
[23:47] <len1204>  correct these problems
[23:48] <len1204> But seems to install ok. Could be that it is looking at both the iso and the online repos