[01:11] <micahg> ochosi: what ever happened with making an "upstream" release of elementary-xfce-dark so Ubuntu Studio could benefit as well?
[01:12] <ochosi> micahg: hm, it has already been packaged by mr_pouit (in xubuntu-icon-theme), someone from studio said they would discuss it with their PL whether that's a problem
[01:13] <micahg> ScottL: ^^
[01:13] <ochosi> micahg: sorry i didn't follow that up more, i kinda expected someone else to take it from there
[01:14] <micahg> ochosi: no problem, sounds like you did your part, thanks
[01:14] <ochosi> k, yw
[01:14] <ochosi> gah, there is such an annoying bug in the icons btw
[01:14] <ochosi> this is how the power-icon should look like: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-02202012-021032am.php
[01:15] <micahg> all my icons are dark
[01:17] <ochosi> what do you mean?
[01:17] <ochosi> and this is what it currently looks like: http://imagebin.org/199742
[01:17] <ochosi> if you look close enough, the second one is scaled down a bit
[01:18] <micahg> well, except for the sound indicator, all my icons are dark on a dark background
[01:18] <ochosi> in precise?
[01:18] <ochosi> or in oneiric?
[01:18] <micahg> precise
[01:18] <ochosi> oh
[01:18] <ochosi> what icon-theme are you using?
[01:19] <micahg> elementary Xubuntu dark which I guess is the wrong one
[01:19] <ochosi> right, that's not really maintained anymore
[01:19] <ochosi> it's deprecated
[01:19] <ochosi> elementary-xfce-dark should work
[01:19] <micahg> ah, Xfce dark is much better :)
[01:19] <ochosi> good to hear :)
[01:20] <ochosi> that is what i've been working on
[01:20] <micahg> well, except for the xfce4-mixer icon
[01:20] <ochosi> rly?
[01:20] <ochosi> what's up with that?
[01:20] <micahg> it's dark instead of white
[01:20] <ochosi> strange, mr_pouit didn't mention that
[01:20] <ScottL> thanks micahg, ochosi 
[01:20]  * micahg figures his nm-applet icon issue will be fixed now as well
[01:21] <micahg> ScottL: so, you'd like to use the xfce dark icon theme?
[01:21] <ochosi> ScottL: np, let us know whether the package being xubuntu-icon-theme is a problem. it has mainly remained like that for convenience i think
[01:21] <ochosi> actually there are two versions, one for dark, one for bright panels
[01:21] <ScottL> micahg, yes, the elementary-xfce-dark (i think) is the one that looks good to me
[01:22] <ScottL> ochosi, you mean there are two versions within the same package?
[01:22] <ochosi> micahg: what would you recommend for my vm? daily image or alpha?
[01:22] <micahg> ochosi: daily
[01:22] <ochosi> ScottL: yes, but the -dark version is just an addon
[01:23] <ScottL> micahg, i guess we (ubuntustudio) should still have a ubuntustudio-icon-theme pacakge that relies on xubuntu-icon-theme but also has the /pixmap directory
[01:23] <micahg> ScottL: ah, so, that's all that's in that package is the 3 icon themes, elementary xubuntu, elementary xfce, and elementary xfce dark
[01:23] <ochosi> ScottL: it's like that: elementary-xfce contains everything. elementary-xfce-dark is an addon that inherits elementary-xfce but replaces the panel-icons with white ones
[01:23] <ochosi> micahg: actually elementary xubuntu should be dropped
[01:23] <ochosi> micahg: not sure why that's still there
[01:24] <micahg> ScottL: no pixmaps in this package
[01:24] <ochosi> micahg: maybe it should be replaced by a symlink to elementary-xfce-dark for upgrades
[01:24] <micahg> ochosi: can you file a bug to track this?
[01:24] <ScottL> micahg, how should i get the ubuntu studio logo then onto a system?
[01:26]  * ScottL is afk a bit, taking son to town for a bit, should be back in about one hour
[01:26] <micahg> ScottL: that's what the xubuntu-artwork package does, don't know if you want to copy that idea, "icon theme" for that seems counterintuitive
[01:27] <ochosi> micahg: against xubuntu-artwork?
[01:27] <micahg> yeah
[01:27] <ScottL> micahg, should the menu icon then be part of the ubuntustudio-menu package?
[01:27] <micahg> ScottL: sounds reasonable
[01:30]  * micahg also steps away for a few minutes
[01:31] <ochosi> micahg: ok, reported bug and subscribed you
[02:17] <micahg> ochosi: thanks
[02:42] <ScottL> micahg, ochosi:  can you give me an overview of what i need to do for the icons?
[02:43] <ScottL> e.g. include elementary-xfce-dark in seeds or have ubuntustudio-default-settings depend on them
[02:43] <ScottL> should i just get rid of the ubuntustudio-icon-theme?
[02:44] <ScottL> note that i basically want to use the xubuntu theme and icons the way they are, i do not want to add anything different
[02:44] <ScottL> with the only exception that i want the ubuntu studio icon in a few places in lieu of the xubuntu xfce icon
[02:57] <ochosi> micahg: can't reproduce your problem with the mixer in my precise vm
[02:57] <ochosi> micahg: the icon is there and it's white
[02:57] <ochosi> ScottL: i don't really have any packaging expertise, i guess it's best if you talk to mr_pouit about that
[03:00] <ochosi> i'm off, night everyone!
[03:00] <Unit193> Adios.
[03:42] <micahg> ochosi: ok, maybe a left over, I"ll have to dig later
[03:43] <micahg> ScottL: so, those pixmaps are in the artwork package, so you could Ubuntu Studio could just recommend/depend on xubuntu-icon-theme
[04:23] <ScottL> micahg, but i need to replace the xubuntu pixmaps with ubuntu studio ones
[04:23] <ScottL> /usr/share/pixmaps has xubuntu specific images of the xfce logo
[04:25] <micahg> ScottL: yes, those are shipping in xubuntu-artwork (a separate package), so you can ship them in ubuntustudio-menu as you suggested
[04:34] <ScottL> okay, so i can make something like us-default-settings or us-look depend on xubuntu-icon-theme and then add the us specific pixmaps to the us-menu package
[04:34] <ScottL> i can do that :)
[04:37] <micahg> ScottL: you can just seed the icon package (recommends or depends depending on how important it is to US)
[05:09] <ScottL> good point
[09:44] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/q_planning/xubuntu-q.pdf updated
[11:58] <astraljava> Heh, I can't remember when I have been using FF the last time, but so far the current release on oneiric seems to beat Chrome pretty much hands down. I had no idea!
[13:00] <mr_pouit> ochosi_: I'll do s/inherits=elementary-xfce/inherits=elementary-xfce-dark/ instead I think
[15:26] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: hey there
[15:27] <mr_pouit> (oh, btw, i'm not an xfce dev, only an active contributor)
[15:28] <knome> hey mr_pouit :)
[15:28] <mr_pouit> hey :p
[15:28] <knome> madnick, hey?
[15:30] <leo-unglaub> hi ochosi
[15:30] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: just saw that you're a fellow austrian :)
[15:31] <j1mc> ochosi: i'm going to be in vienna from wednesday afternoon through saturday morning. are you near vienna?
[15:31] <ochosi> j1mc: i'm _in_ vienna :)
[15:31] <leo-unglaub> ochosi: well...i am from germany....but i am living in vienna 
[15:31] <leo-unglaub> thats a big difference *g*
[15:31] <j1mc> whoa, cool. we should meet up. i'm staying at a hotel near the city center.
[15:31] <knome> j1mc, woot??
[15:31] <ochosi> j1mc: but we'd have to meet on wednesday, from thursday on i'll be on holidays (switzerland)
[15:31] <j1mc> ochosi: ok
[15:31] <j1mc> knome: yes, woot
[15:32] <ochosi> j1mc: well or thursday breakfast... :)
[15:32] <knome> j1mc, so when are you going to be in helsinki??
[15:32] <ochosi> j1mc: where exactly are you at?
[15:32] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: hehe
[15:32] <j1mc> one sec...
[15:32] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: anyhoo, if you're up to help out with xubuntu, that would be most welcome
[15:33] <knome> yeppers
[15:33] <j1mc> knome & ochosi - i just wrote up a blog post: http://j1m.net
[15:33] <ochosi> oh right you're in brno!
[15:33] <ochosi> nice
[15:33] <knome> j1mc, i noticed, i'm subscribed via rss
[15:34] <leo-unglaub> ochosi: sure
[15:34] <knome> j1mc, though didn't read it since wasn't too interesting thing, sorry ;(
[15:34] <leo-unglaub> i am working currently on some things
[15:34] <j1mc> knome: no worries - it's not for you, per se.
[15:34] <leo-unglaub> but, i am just my 4 day in xfce, i take some time lerning the workflow...
[15:34] <knome> j1mc, i know ;]
[15:34] <leo-unglaub> for an old gnome2 user it's not always the same
[15:34] <leo-unglaub> ochosi: are you in vienna?
[15:34]  * knome organizes an xfce-xubuntu-hackfest someday in helsinki
[15:34] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: yup
[15:35] <leo-unglaub> ochosi: where exactly? 1170?
[15:35] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: 1160
[15:35] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: why, are you trying to triangulate my ip? :D
[15:36] <ochosi> j1mc: that video looks pretty impressive. btw are the scrollbars native gtk3.4 or what is that?
[15:36] <leo-unglaub> ochosi: lol, just a lucky guess.... i am living in 1170 and working in 1160 :)
[15:36] <knome> ochosi, maybe he's an old perv
[15:36] <knome> leo-unglaub, you should meet one day with ochosi so he could convince you to start working on xubuntu
[15:36] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: heh, right. well i saw that on your website
[15:37] <j1mc> ochosi: i'll be at this hotel: http://www.austrotel.at/en/hotel_vienna_viennart/the_hotel.html
[15:37] <j1mc> i don't know if it is a good hotel, but it looks nice in the pictures
[15:37] <leo-unglaub> you googled me? *g*
[15:37] <knome> j1mc, well their site doesn't work without js... so they must suck!!1
[15:38] <j1mc> :/
[15:38] <knome> i mean, that's hilarious
[15:38] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: well that was easy enough, you use your real-name everywhere :)
[15:38] <leo-unglaub> :)
[15:38] <knome> why don't the hotels hire somebody who can do unobtrusive photo-slideshows
[15:38] <knome> eg. without js, it's a static image
[15:38] <ochosi> j1mc: oh, right, i dunno that hotel – but that's not a huge surprise, i live here ;)
[15:39] <j1mc> sorry, knome, i'll be sure to complain to the manager.
[15:39] <j1mc> :)
[15:39] <knome> j1mc, please do!
[15:39] <knome> j1mc, also, tell them my contact information
[15:39] <j1mc> ok :)
[15:39] <ochosi> j1mc: but yes, i know where it is and i'm physically close to that place now (less than 1km)
[15:39] <j1mc> ah, excellent
[15:40] <j1mc> i'll need to check and see when i arrive. pm me your email address, if you don't mind.
[15:40] <knome> ochosi, can you convince j1mc too to work (again) on xubuntu?
[15:40] <j1mc> knome: he can try :)
[15:41] <knome> i'm sure he can.
[15:41] <mr_pouit> (with enough rhum and a new baseball bat)
[15:41] <ochosi> haha
[15:41] <knome> mr_pouit, yes
[15:41]  * ochosi leaves to buy a baseball bat
[15:42] <knome> ochosi, great, i can cover some of the expenses
[15:42] <leo-unglaub> is Daniel Morales here=
[15:42] <leo-unglaub> i have a question about this thunar share ṕlugin
[15:43] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: don't think so, you might wanna ask in #xfce-dev, maybe someone there knows him
[15:43] <ochosi> is he the original developer or maintainer?
[15:43] <leo-unglaub> yes, he is
[15:44] <mr_pouit> he's the original developer, but I think he's been inactive for ~18 months
[15:44] <ochosi> k
[15:47] <mr_pouit> ochosi: fyi, ambiance doesn't show this box for menu icons, so I guess the fix is somewhere in it :[
[15:47] <mr_pouit> (same for radiance)
[15:47] <knome> hmm
[15:47] <ochosi> mr_pouit: yeah, i thought so
[15:47] <ochosi> mr_pouit: i just started working in my precise vm 24hrs ago and have been @work since the morning, so not much time yet
[15:48] <mr_pouit> what, 86400 seconds and still no fix? ;-)
[15:49] <ochosi> well i know you have high expectations from me (and yes, it's totally justified, i _am_ a genius)
[15:51] <mr_pouit> indeed
[15:51] <ochosi> no, seriously, i'm not sure i can manage it this week
[15:51] <ochosi> but i still have hope
[15:52] <ochosi> if it's not too complicated or elaborate
[16:00] <ochosi> bbl
[16:08] <knome> ochosi, our own 7-year old genius
[22:19] <micahg> mr_pouit: is it worth asking to get lightdm-gtk-greeter uploaded to experimental, or could we upload from the VCS?
[22:33] <mr_pouit> feel free to ask corsac, but I'm not sure he'll agree
[22:33] <mr_pouit> Anyway, uploading from the svn should be fine.