KrawleztWhat will be new in Kubuntu 12?00:05
DasKreechKrawlezt: The year00:07
Krawleztyeha ofc that but more? 00:08
DasKreechUsual stuff00:11
DasKreechNewest KDE etc00:11
apacheloggerwhat a features for 12.04 anyway?00:11
apacheloggerDasKreech: and other than that?00:11
apacheloggerI think I'll upload the new bootsplash tomorrow, waiting for sheytan could take a while00:15
apacheloggershould I also swap the ksplash though?00:16
apacheloggerRiddell: thoughts?00:16
Riddellapachelogger: full colour plymouth splash is nice but make very sure it degrades nicely when plymouth has limited colours00:27
apacheloggerRiddell: isn't that when we use the text splash?00:28
Riddellapachelogger: I don't know, the reason we use limited colours is because of worries like that00:28
Riddelltext splash is for when plymouth can't do graphics at all but there might well be modes that it can do but without full colour support00:29
apacheloggeroh no00:29
apacheloggertext splash is about KMS apparently00:29
Riddellbut I don't know, work out who's good this plymouth in ubuntu now00:29
apacheloggerman this is confusing00:29
apacheloggerRiddell: but we had a logo there?00:31
apacheloggerso does ubuntu00:31
apacheloggerI am not sure color really is a problem there00:32
* apachelogger looks for a way to force broken colors00:32
Riddellapachelogger: yes I might be wrong00:35
apacheloggerwill have to ask around00:36
apacheloggerno kernel fb seems to even have a setting to set the color space00:36
apacheloggerso that will be tricky to test even if it is a concern00:36
apacheloggerperhaps ditch the revised theme also in our ppas?00:36
apacheloggerthat aleast ensures greater testing audience00:37
apacheloggerplus the worst that can happen is that boot splash looks very white00:37
apacheloggerat 16bit it might look not the best, but shouldn't be a problem00:37
apachelogger8bit and mono would be very white00:37
apacheloggerbut I think we'd have reports if that were a problem, cause the gradient would also fail horribly on <16b00:39
apacheloggerand I used the wrong image00:39
* apachelogger really does not get why the ksplash does not use proper ariya00:39
apacheloggerRiddell: any objections to changing the ksplash though?00:40
apacheloggerunifies the splashes00:40
Riddellapachelogger: changing to what?00:41
apacheloggersee video00:41
apacheloggersame dotty thing as boot splash00:41
apacheloggerjust did that to try the qml engine00:41
apacheloggerreally cool thing00:41
Riddellapachelogger: dots on ksplash?00:42
Riddellapachelogger: good with me but is it going to annoy upstream/destroy our upstream friendly reputation?00:42
apacheloggerwe still us their artwork :P00:43
apacheloggeronly with dots instead of the icons00:43
Riddelldo it then00:43
Riddellksplash needs a new maintainer anyway :)00:44
Riddellapachelogger: can you make that ksplash theme the upstream default?00:44
Riddellit's worth it for upstream if it gets rid of the stupid different scaling algorithms in kdm/ksplash/plasma00:44
apacheloggerI could throw it in with the other default options00:45
apacheloggerFWIW: upstream still uses ksplashx00:45
apacheloggerwhich needs to go away in due time anyway IMHO00:45
apacheloggerwayland for supremacy!00:45
apacheloggeris it just my system or are we shipping the wrong splash background? 00:45
apacheloggerRiddell: is that ariya for you?00:46
apacheloggeror grey with gradient00:46
Riddellls: cannot access /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/Default/1920x1080/background.png: No such file or directory00:47
Riddell/usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/Default/1920x1200/background.png is ariya00:47
apacheloggerwrong eitherway then00:47
apacheloggershould be that00:47
Riddellapachelogger: why?00:48
apacheloggerask upstream00:49
apacheloggerI have not the slightest idea00:49
apacheloggeryofel and I were wondering too the other day00:49
apacheloggerthat thing is saver for color though00:49
Riddellok so we already diverge from upstream to fix their sillyness, no harm in doing it more :)00:49
bulldog98apachelogger: mine too00:49
apacheloggerRiddell: well, we could use that thing for plymouth ;)00:50
apacheloggerthat is 8bit of that image00:50
apacheloggeralmost no diff00:50
apacheloggerhttp://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/21/plasma-desktopzo2223.png mono00:51
apacheloggerso I really do not think our present gradient would not have caused bug reports if plymouth were to use the theme on mono ^^00:51
bulldog98apachelogger: be careful I have black/white monitors and I’m gone use them against you :P00:52
* apachelogger has black yellow, so go leave me alone00:53
apacheloggeryellow > white00:53
bulldog98apachelogger: I think I might have one of those left over, too :P00:53
apacheloggerRiddell: I think afiestas needs to talk to upstream about this ^^00:54
apacheloggerthey might have used the gradient because it looks better00:54
apacheloggerwhich is not wrong00:54
bulldog98apachelogger: artwork improvements are always good00:56
apacheloggerah bulldog98 you surely knojw what cool new stuff we will have in 1204?00:56
bulldog98apachelogger: new KDE Version lightdm-kde (tech preview), telepathy-kde (mention the plasmoid)00:57
apacheloggerRiddell: oh one more thing ... this splash will increase the initrd size by about 3mib (the size of the background)00:57
apacheloggerwhich increases startup time a bit, though I did not measure it so I cannot say for sure whether it matters00:58
apacheloggerthough it should not (assuming the initrd is on one block of a hdd)00:58
Riddellapachelogger: uses more memory during startup?00:58
Riddelloh more disk reads00:59
apacheloggerit should be in graphics memory, so that does not matter (unless vesafb is used I suppose)00:59
* Riddell snoozes01:01
apacheloggerthat incidentially is also the reason I did not go with my original plan of having the splash use the best-fit version if the wallpapers-extra package is installed01:01
apachelogger(I had an initrd of 54 mib^^)01:01
apacheloggerRiddell: nini01:01
koolhead17Riddell: around08:35
Riddellhi koolhead17 08:48
Riddellweird e-mail du jour http://paste.kde.org/426374/08:50
Riddellweird reply to a previous weird e-mail du jour http://paste.kde.org/426380/08:51
Riddell"bulldog98 extended their membership" yay he still loves us!08:51
bulldog98Riddell: isn’t there a tipo in it?08:52
koolhead17Riddell: i will give him 12.04 kubuntu CD no worries!! :)08:53
Riddellkoolhead17: go ahead08:54
koolhead17will mail him. :)08:55
Riddellbulldog98: a typo by people who are incapable of understanding communication?  surely not08:55
Riddellooh Qt takes over canonical bug 93427008:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 934270 in ubuntuone-control-panel (Ubuntu) "We need to drop the current GTK+ UI in favor of the Qt UI" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93427008:55
Riddellwhen I'm incharge of Qt in ubuntu desktop I'm not going to let that team get away with that kind of forced late technical nonsense, they'll be as well behaved as the kubuntu community :)08:56
bulldog98Riddell: make Ubuntu do as much Qt stuff as possible :)08:57
RiddellI can quietly add plasma to the seeds, nobody will notice :)08:59
bulldog98Riddell: don’t do that canonical will start to modifiy KDE as much as possible :)08:59
Riddellthat's fine, plasma makes that easy to do, they can have an ubuntu-default-settings packages and kubuntu just needs to not install that and it's all good09:02
bulldog98Riddell: but if they start patching stupid stuff into that (and no upstreaming it)09:03
Riddellthe nice thing about plasma is you wouldn't need to do much of that, you'd just write custom plasma plugin widget in the worse case09:03
bulldog98Riddell: ok so you can go on :)09:04
bulldog98maybe they should pay aaron for doing plasma :)09:04
Riddellthey had their chance, he's now going to be the competition (ooh but with cooperation possibilities I should say)09:05
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micahgI'd suggest adding some KDE feature task to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC201209:31
kubotumicahg meant: "I'd suggest adding some Kubuntu feature task to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2012"09:31
Riddellmaintaining language selector!09:34
Riddellmicahg: trouble is gsoc mentoring needs manpower and who knows how much manpower kubuntu will have in the summer09:34
micahgright, well, if P won't see any kubuntu feature work, that's fine09:38
micahgotherwise, I believe it's cheaper to mentor than do it one's self09:38
micahgwell, for feature scale things at least :)09:39
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bulldog98Riddell: who is responsible for lightdm-kde? the autologin does not work09:48
Riddellbulldog98: agateau_ (who's on holiday)09:53
Riddelland didn't someone say autologin couldn't be turned off yesterday?09:53
bulldog98Riddell: problem is I wanted to use autologin for the tablet (and kdm autologin enabling isn’t easy) do you know an alternative for easy starting a session in autostart?09:55
Riddell10:40 < shadeslayer_> I have yet to find a way to disable autologin10:02
Riddellbulldog98: so ask shadeslayer the trick10:03
bulldog98shadeslayer: how did you get lightdm to autologin? I can’t get it doing that10:03
yofelweird bug of the day: bug 937553 (someone was actually using that?)10:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 937553 in Kubuntu PPA "No more "Stripes" wallpaper" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93755310:15
yofelsomeone add that back to -extras, I'll be off most of the day10:15
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shadeslayerI'm not sure how one enables autologin, it was enabled by default13:18
shadeslayerat least for me13:18
yofelthe lightdm kcm has an auto-login setting13:19
Riddellalso can ask the upstream Robert Ancell who's in #ubuntu-devel (but on Australia time)13:22
BluesKajHi all13:26
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apacheloggershadeslayer, yofel: the kcm is a bit broken14:44
shadeslayerapachelogger: yeah, I couldn't find it with kcmshell4 --list as well14:44
shadeslayeraltho it does appear in systemsettings14:44
apacheloggeroh my15:34
* apachelogger actually needs to attend bday party stuff, no upload today -.-15:34
apoldoes anybody here know anything about loging in to ubuntu sso from a client?16:41
Riddellapol: no that's probably a question for ubuntu one people16:46
shadeslayerI bet apachelogger knows a thing or two :D16:46
Riddellapachelogger might have looked into it when he was doing gsoc16:46
Riddelland been knocked back by their undocumented and changing APIs16:46
Riddellbut maybe they've changed16:46
shadeslayeriirc he had his code somewhere on his LP account16:46
shadeslayerapol: https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntu-sso-client/kdeui16:47
shadeslayerMore stuff here : https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger16:47
apolthanks guys16:49
apolRiddell: do you know where can I find these people?16:50
Riddellapol: probably something obvious like #ubuntuone?16:53
Riddelltry dobey on #ubuntu-devel maybe?16:53
apolRiddell: hmm ok, although i've had bad experiences in these waters :P16:53
* apol gets a pirate parrot and a pirate woody leg16:53
apolarr xD16:54
Riddellapol: by the way ubuntu one has been ported to PyQt so I expect the easest thing to do is get hold of/wait for that and use it16:54
shadeslayeryou forgot the "mmmmmmmm"16:54
shadeslayerAlrighty, I'm off to sleep, not so well today16:55
apolRiddell: well, it shouldn't be that hard... I'd expect some oauth magic...16:56
apolRiddell: anyhow, I'll wait and see what they say and maybe reconsider if it's way too hard16:56
apolRiddell: btw do you know anything about when would I see some PyQt+ubuntuone code?16:57
apolas in before april, maybe?16:57
Riddellapol: yes they are wanting it to go into ubuntu desktop toot sweet16:58
Riddellthey're just working out a plan for disk space16:58
apoltoot sweet = tout suite (like in french)?17:00
Riddellbug 93427017:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 934270 in ubuntuone-control-panel (Ubuntu) "We need to drop the current GTK+ UI in favor of the Qt UI" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93427017:03
Riddellhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-control-panel/+bug/934270 "We need to drop the current GTK+ UI in favor of the Qt UI "17:03
Riddellapol: kenvandine might be the guy on the ubuntu desktop team who knows about it #ubuntu-desktop17:03
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apolRiddell: how bad would it be to depend on ubuntu-sso-client?17:10
apol(when i say depend, I mean muon, sorry)17:20
peaceapport kde crash :D20:21
mikecbso this is my thought on the ubuntu android dock.  My phone is mobile, which makes it good for mobile computing.  A dock can fit in a bag, granted, but a monitor?21:54
mikecbThis confuses me.21:54
ScottKmikecb: How is this related to Kubuntu development?21:55
mikecbsorry, meant for that to be in ubuntu-dev21:56
barryDarkwing: ping22:21
barryDarkwing: https://code.launchpad.net/~dpolehn-gmail/kubuntu-docs/fix-818500/+merge/9023922:36
starbuckScottK: regarding ubuntu on android: you think that would also be possible with Kubuntu?22:36
macobarry: my last email to the loco list surprised crimsun22:37
ScottKIt'd be easier with KDE and plasma than Ubuntu/Unity stuff.22:37
barrymaco: i loved your last email22:37
ScottKmaco: link?22:37
macocrimsun didn't know i downgraded from "motu" to "power user"22:38
ScottKmaco: How'd you downgrade?22:39
macoScottK: i clicked the "leave team" button on launchpad.net/~motu22:39
starbuckScottK: you know how they do it with ubuntu? as an app?22:42
macostarbuck: i'd assumed it was like how there's cyanogenmod as an alternative android os22:43
mikecbso you'd have to root your device?22:44
macomikecb: given the "get in touch" button on the website, i dont think they're aiming at USERS doing the install22:44
mikecbgood point22:45
starbuckits just intriguing to think it could be done with kubuntu instead22:45
ScottKmaco: Oh.  Sigh.22:45
macoScottK: i stopped doing dev a year ago. i just made it official now.22:46
* ScottK nods22:46
starbucki would love a mobile device with android in "phone-mode" and full blown kubuntu in "connected-mode" anywhere I go :)22:47
starbuckof course the synching part (contacts, emails) between android and kubuntu could be tricky...?22:48
mikecbyou'd need akonadi22:49
mikecbtheres a google contact provider22:49
starbuckmaybe that is also a reason canonical stopped kubuntu officially, because they now fully concentrate on bringing ubuntu/unity to the masses via the phones, so they don't care for widespread kubuntu anymore...22:52
barryRiddell: hi.  could you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~dpolehn-gmail/kubuntu-docs/fix-818500/+merge/9023923:17
Riddelltrivial typo merge?  sure23:19
barryRiddell: i would have sponsored it but i don't have perms to push to the trunk branch, and i didn't want to skew them23:19
Riddellthose pesky perms, why aren't ubuntu-core-dev part of ubuntu-core-doc I wonder23:20
ScottKRiddell: When I asked the question I was told that core-dev don't necessarily understand what makes good docs so it wasn't appropriate.23:21
Riddelluh huh, but core-dev should be able to understand their own limitations23:22
Riddellbarry: anyhoo, merged, thanks23:22
ScottKRiddell: I'd have thought so.23:24
ScottKI kind of LOL'ed when I was told that.23:24
barryRiddell: thanks, and yeah :)23:27

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